Stupid is as stupid does

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  1. frogdropping profile image79
    frogdroppingposted 12 years ago

    Watching various threads with (distant) interest, which of the following sentences represents how you see yourself:

    A'I have read Jung, Nietzsche, Descartes, therefore I am (rah rah rah)!'

    B'I have read Jung, Nietzsche, Descartes - therefore I can read'

    I'm definitely B. I don't need to rely on verbosity (get me!) as a means of showcasing whether or not I'm intelligent/academic/intellectual.

    No right or wrong, and I don't care if you go off topic. This is a forum smile

    1. prettydarkhorse profile image57
      prettydarkhorseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I go for B too.

      It is like "I read Buddha and Confucius works, therefore I am Chinese" sounds like it for some people here .. LOL

      Good you are back FD..

      1. duffsmom profile image60
        duffsmomposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        B., definitely B.  Can we add a C?

        C.  I have read Jung, Nietzsche, Descartes, and I hated that crap!

        1. prettydarkhorse profile image57
          prettydarkhorseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          of course you can add C, LOL as FD said "no right or wrong and you can go off topic"

          1. fiona-s profile image56
            fiona-sposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            can I add D I have not read Jung, Nietzsche, Descartes, and therefore I am me

        2. profile image0
          Motown2Chitownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          duffsmom, love you to bits.  We do think alike!

    2. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image84
      Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      How bout C, ". . . . .and I'm not the least bit convinced that any of them was ever right about anything."

  2. frogdropping profile image79
    frogdroppingposted 12 years ago

    I didn't particularly go anywhere, other than have to take a sharp left and get some websites of my own on the go. I lost earnings here like everyone else. Gotta pay the rent some other way now smile

    Thanks all the same though.

  3. Uninvited Writer profile image78
    Uninvited Writerposted 12 years ago

    Does "Avoid Freud, stay Jung" belong on this thread?

    1. profile image0
      Motown2Chitownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      How cute!!!  I'm gonna have to remember that for sure, Uninvited.

    2. prettydarkhorse profile image57
      prettydarkhorseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      LOL, good one S!

  4. Mark Ewbie profile image80
    Mark Ewbieposted 12 years ago

    I haven't read any of that stuff, but I still think I am clever enough to hold my own, in a literary rather than self abusive sense.

    There are...

    Stupid people who have read clever books.
    Clever people who have read clever books.
    Clever people who haven't read clever books.

    Not everyone gets the chance of an education, or knows what to do with it when they had a chance.

    But I would NEVER dismiss someone's view because they didn't express it using quite the right grammar or references to those clever books.

    Gets off high stupid horse and goes back to watching daytime TV.

    1. prettydarkhorse profile image57
      prettydarkhorseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I will, I will Mark, but am a horse, not so clever dark horse.. I can't get off my high place, LOL.

      1. Mark Ewbie profile image80
        Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Ah, I didn't make the horse comment with reference to you, oh dear - I am stupid after all.


        1. prettydarkhorse profile image57
          prettydarkhorseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I know Mark, I enjoy your comments same with Shades!!

    2. camlo profile image83
      camloposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Yes. Totally agree.

  5. frogdropping profile image79
    frogdroppingposted 12 years ago

    Mark I do believe that you've made me want to vomit. Well said otherwise smile

    @ UW - that's the 'lol' of the day.

    As for the books I used, insert any high-falootin' literature/author. Hume, Dante's Inferno, Dostoyevsky. The question relates to the fact that some people assume intelligence because they've read these or similar.

    I can read music, I can play tunes by ear alone - but I can't write a musical score for toffee smile

    1. Mark Ewbie profile image80
      Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry, I was trying to be wantonly down market.  I'll edit it...

    2. WriteAngled profile image78
      WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      And I am in awe and totally jealous, FD, because I love folk music but cannot learn tunes and play by ear although I long to do so.

      As for reading, well I am an unadulterated intellectual, because that is the way I developed and that is the path my education followed. I prefer to express myself in writing, although I can hold up in speech too. I like to research topics deeply.

      I do not like small talk and have no skills at it. I also do not have small-talk topics to hand, because I have no time to watch television, and have no interest in soap operas, celebrities, pop music and sport.

      If people do not like that, well I do not need their approval. I am what I am. I make no excuses for what I am, neither do I expect other people to be the same as me.

      So I am fairly antisocial I suppose, because I genuinely prefer my own company to sitting around with others talking about trivia that does not interest me. I have no problems with this, and there is no reason for anyone else to have problems with it.

      Jung bowled me over from the first time I read him in my 20s. More than thirty years on, he continues to be one of my greatest heroes.

  6. profile image0
    Motown2Chitownposted 12 years ago

    I'd say I'm B least I would certainly hope that how I appear to others, because that's how I appear to myself.


  7. Rafini profile image71
    Rafiniposted 12 years ago

    E.  I've read some of these, and some others, and tossed them all aside because I'd rather think for myself.

    1. frogdropping profile image79
      frogdroppingposted 12 years agoin reply to this


      Mark don't bother. I have a weak stomach. The silliest things make me hoof, it doesn't have to be soemthing I can see, just something I can imagine smile

  8. Haunty profile image76
    Hauntyposted 12 years ago

    I have read Jung and Nietzsche, but it was a long time ago and I don't remember any of it.

  9. Cagsil profile image76
    Cagsilposted 12 years ago

    None of the above. I don't subscribe to any particular philosophy, because each have partial truth and many have mystic inclinations, depending on when each came to being.

    As for stupid is as stupid does, just matches my "SIM"- stupidity in motion. tongue smile

  10. Shadesbreath profile image81
    Shadesbreathposted 12 years ago

    I think therefore I am. I think I am therefore. I am thinking I am there, for there I am, thinking.

  11. frogdropping profile image79
    frogdroppingposted 12 years ago

    Shades as always you can be relied on to inject some clarity into *any* thread. Top answer, I am thoroughly bamboozled, well done smile

    @ WA - I don't actually do it anymore. I did it more when younger, as someone usually had an instrument lying around. I wasn't a genius at it, I could/can just hear the notes and 'replicate' them.

    @ Haunty - I was raised on HG Wells, Shakespeare, a smattering of the philosophers, a huge dose of ancient history texts, poets such as Wilfred Owen and WB Yeats and a cacophony of music. I'm a mental car crash smile

  12. rebekahELLE profile image84
    rebekahELLEposted 12 years ago

    lol  chuckles as I remember the exact sentiments while reading such high minded verbosity. I think someone just missed having a bit of attention.

    oh, and I would say B, two of my favorite quotes came to mind while wading through those threads,

    "we're all bozos on the bus." Wavy Gravy


    "show me a sane man and I'll cure him for you." Jung


    if you don't like America, leave. big_smile
    we say the same about Florida. cool

  13. Lisa HW profile image61
    Lisa HWposted 12 years ago

    I'm guilty of my own brand of verbosity (I like to think of it "being enthusiastic" and "liking to share conversation"  roll  lol   In fact, I NEED to explain it away as that.   hmm  ).  It has nothing to do with reading, not reading, all or part of anything any of those people ever wrote.  (I'm sure it shows in a lot of the stuff I say too - but I'm not out share anyone else's ideas in conversation anyway.  lol  )

  14. WryLilt profile image89
    WryLiltposted 12 years ago

    I am a big reader. Working on Nietzsche at the moment. (Birthday present). Don't see the big deal though...

    Here's my additive:

    D: I've read War & Peace and it proves I have a long bloody attention span!

  15. shogan profile image80
    shoganposted 12 years ago

    I'll add an F:
    "I have read Jung, Nietzsche, Descartes - therefore, I'm not much fun at parties."

    1. Shadesbreath profile image81
      Shadesbreathposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      LOL I have to admit to doing that sometimes, but I try really hard not to. Alcohol, reading and a natural inclination to pedantry do not go well together.

      1. shogan profile image80
        shoganposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I've been a witness to the long, awkward silence that follows such errors in judgment.  I think it's admirable that you've turned over a new leaf.

  16. mega1 profile image66
    mega1posted 12 years ago

    huh?  I don't understand the question.  I guess there are two parts to it and we're supposed to say we are A or B?  Hell - I haven't read none of that there philosophikal shyte, so does that make me n/a?  never you mind, honey, I won't even try to keep up with y'all intellekshuls!  I like it when you're funny though!  big_smile

    1. Lisa HW profile image61
      Lisa HWposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      mega1, a sense of humor is a sign of intelligence, so if you like "funny" you've got nothing to worry about if the purpose of these forums is to try to convince everyone else that one is intelligent.  Then again, I've always been under the impression the forums were for sharing HubPages/Hub-writing information, having a little fun, contributing to discussions (when one feels like it), and enjoying (or debating) the different ideas/opinions of anyone else who shares them.

      The way I see it, intelligence is like money:  People who have plenty of it don't usually talk about how much they have of either and don't need to prove anything to anyone.  They spend their lives doing, talking about, and thinking about, more meaningful things.

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image78
        Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        "People who have plenty of it don't usually talk about how much they have of either and don't need to prove anything to anyone.  They spend their lives doing, talking about, and thinking about, more meaningful things."

        Amen to that smile

        1. DIYweddingplanner profile image79
          DIYweddingplannerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Can I hear a "Hallelujah" from the choir?! smile

          1. Lisa HW profile image61
            Lisa HWposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I'd do that "Hallelujah" for you, but since I was the one that said the thing about not needing to prove anything, I can't "hallelujah" my own words.   lol 

            (Here comes some verbosity roll, so get ready to scroll if it's not your cup-of tea.   smile)  :

            In all seriousness (although this that I'm about to add is kind of funny - and yet not all that comfortable for me):  Hours after I saw, and response to this thread, I realize that only hours before I posted a reply to someone looking for information, and it was, as mine often are, pretty verbose (nothing new for me; and although I'm often self-conscious about my tendency to be long-winded, I've always been secure in knowing that my motives are "pure"  roll).  What's sort of funny (but sort of making me feel uncomfortable, or whatever it is) is that, after years of almost never (maybe even never) referring to any reading I've ever done, it was in that thread that I actually went on and on about reading what kind of stuff when.   lol  hmm  It wouldn't have occurred to me that anyone would have misinterpreted the motives behind that post - until a few hours passed and "dawn broke on Marblehead".

            Actually, I'm thinking of Steve Urkle (Family Matters) and how he'd say, "Did I do that???????"   hmm   On the one hand, I don't take much of what goes on in the forums very seriously or care much who likes what that I do or don't do.  On the other hand, I do care who thinks what in some ways if, by any chance, someone may 1) be factoring in something I did at all, and 2) be misinterpreting some "innocent thing" as something nastier than that.

            So anyway, having rarely, but so recently, been guilty of mentioning reading in a thread, I guess I care enough about what people think of me to want to clarify why all that talk about reading happened.  I'm not so self-centered or paranoid that I think this thread was aimed at me.  In fact, with some other goings on recently, I thought I knew what/who it was aimed at.  Then it occurred to me that it may have been aimed at nobody in particular, or maybe someone else AND me.   hmm  In any case,  I thought I'd address it on the "off chance" (or maybe even plain, old, chance) that my "contribution" on that thread was among those someone found objectionable.

            Basically, I'm all about trying to promote peace and harmony when I detect something else.  So anyway, in defense of that reading-reference post that I did so recently, here's what was behind it:  (If I'm being paranoid or self-centered to wonder if my particular post was among those being criticized; of it looks like I'm trying to turn something that had nothing to do with me into something that's "all about me", please overlook it.  If you were in my shoes (with that recent reading-post) you'd probably wonder the same things that I am.   smile

            In defense of that particular post (again, not that I'm assuming anyone has even read it, let alone is thinking about - because it was a pretty un-dramatic, uninteresting, thread without any fighting on it), the heavy-duty talk about reading that I did on that was my attempt to figure out a date that something someone else was looking for was written.    It's something that a lot of people in my age range have probably seen several times in the course of their lifetime, and I pretty much saw the question asked in the thread as one like, "Does anyone remember what year the new Daryn showed up on Betwitched, and can does anyone know where I can find a copy of the third episode?"

            So, I put on thinking cap and proceeded to think aloud (or at least on the post) in my attempt to come up with anything in my own life that might help me zero in on where and when it was I saw that piece of writing.  I know that a lot of people on here are a lot younger than I am, so I was think a lot of them may not have ever run into that very common piece of writing the OP of the thread was looking for.

            As for verbosity, I may as well throw in a few words to defend my own here, as long as I'm already probably making myself look like self-centered, paranoid, and obnoxiously verbose person:

            I can't speak for other people, but I know where my own tendency to be long-winded comes from, and it has nothing to do with trying to get attention or prove anything.  With me, one reason I tend to have a lot to say is just that I'm a verbal person.  I value communication, and I've learned that not being thorough about ideas and, instead, saying too little often leaves people to fill in the blanks on points that weren't thorough enough. 

            When I was younger (say, thirty/twenty years younger) I didn't have a clue about how people will fill in blanks that are left in conversation. I've had thirty-something years of adult life to learn, little by little, to see how often, and in how many ways, people will read into what someone didn't say, rather than just take what he did say and maybe ask for further clarification if he had questions.  People don't ask questions, though.  They just see/hear what you say, make up whatever they want to make up about what you're implying, or what your motives are, and go away from the conversation, never really understanding what you really did mean or why it was you said whatever it was you said. 

            People (not all, only some) will often just write you off as not knowing what you're talking about, or as being stupid, because they don't ask questions in a conversation.  They'll often just write you off and/or assume you're implying thing, or motivated by things, that are only a matter of what they're imagining.

            In a forum, it doesn't really matter who understands what it is you are and are not saying or implying, or what your motivations are for saying it.  In real life, it matters a real lot.  I used to keep so many things to myself and think, "Nobody cares about what I'm thinking or doing.  Nobody's interested."  I really didn't imagine that anyone was thinking anything about me at all, because I don't have that kind of ego.  It never occurred to me that while I was keeping my thoughts and activities to myself, some other people were filling in some blanks.  As a result, things happened that meant I saw how lives, people, and relationships can be destroyed by something as stupid and simple as a communication problem.

            I'm not playing victim here, because I'm a strong individual with healthy self-esteem; but after seeing for myself the kind of stuff that can happen by not realizing that while we're being quiet and minding our business, someone else can be imagining unflattering things about who or what we are, as people.  Normally (and especially on the Internet), we don't have to worry about who misinterprets what.  We just mind our business and let whoever thinks whatever they do, and not worry about it.  In offline life, though, I saw how not explaining enough (even if people have no right to expect an explanation, or no right to have an opinion about what we do or don't do) can lead some people to create serious, serious, problems for us.

            When we come to the Internet, we bring the "us" we are our "real", offline, life.  If we're in the habit of doing something in offline life, there's a good chance we do the same kind of thing in Internet interactions.  Twenty years ago, I was changed from someone who saw no real need to try to guess about what someone else might misinterpret or incorrectly infer. 

            I'm not looking for sympathy here, but I was shocked and shaken to the core to discover what can happen if a person just minds her business, does her thing, and assumes everybody else is minding theirs.   Maybe other people have no right to be spinning their wheels over what I'm doing or thinking; but, for some reason, it appears some people aren't above over-stepping bounds in some relationships.

            In any event, I decided back then that from then on I would make sure I clarified, explained, covered all the possible things anyone might construe from something I said, and generally aim to have where I'm coming from, and what I think, made good and clear to anyone I deal with (again, in "real"/offline life).  Call it "damaged".  Call it "wiser".  Maybe it's just something a lot of us learn the longer we live.

            The thing is, that over-talking, over-explaining, over-worried-about-being-misunderstood person I am in real life is the person who brings that way of operating to the Internet.  Maybe it's not how everyone else operates, but people are different.  Besides, this is a writing site, and the forums are for discussions.  It's all about communicating information and ideas.  Even if I'm just over-cautious because of some things that have happened in my life, I don't really think it's all that peculiar or out-of-place for a person who aims to communicate effectively to resort to the way she believes she can best do that.

            I know I can't possibly be the only one who tends to get as wordy as I do.  (I may be one of the ones who are old enough and sure enough of myself to be able to overcome self-consciousness about it and just be what I am.)  There are people who just want attention, or who are trying to prove something (to strangers, to boot) with whatever they do on here; but in fairness to those who may be long-winded (and, granted, boring) for reasons that have nothing to do with ego or attention-getting or proving anything, sometimes a person is just naturally "high-energy chatters" and come to a writing site (or forum) out of the belief that others there are the same (or at least understand).  hmm

            We're all different and have different ways of doing things. It'd be nice if, when people don't do things the we do, or don't post whatever it is we thought they ought to, we didn't assume they're stupid or uneducated or arrogant or whatever other negative thing they might be, and instead relax and give them the benefit of the doubt (unless they out-and-out say and do something nasty).

            End of yet another display of verbosity.  roll  I'll go disappear for a few days and work on my own stuff for awhile (to make up for verbosity I just posted here  lol  ).   Two verbose Hubs and a couple of verbose forum posts:  Time to maintain a lower profile for another while.   smile

  17. frogdropping profile image79
    frogdroppingposted 12 years ago

    UW I was about to answer Lisa's post with 'well awesome, nail on the head', and you beat me to it.

    @ Mega the whole thing was just me trying to make sense of why some people assume intelligence just because they consider themselves well-read. I said earlier that I've read (some) HG Wells. It didn't leave me feeling 'dead clever', if anything I was kinda depressed lol

    1. mega1 profile image66
      mega1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      yeah, I kinda knew that! lol


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