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   seamistposted 13 years ago

   Has anyone's traffic came back who plunged on September 6th? Mine has not.

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      SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Mine showed signs of life but seemingly ended up giving up the ghost.

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      SimeyCposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Nope - back to pre-sub-domain levels....

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      IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      No, and in the last few days it has fallen yet further - another 30% down on the traffic remaining after a 75% drop.
      I've been watching closely one of my hubs that always used to do better than others, and it dropped from #1 to #5, and just yesterday slipped further down to #9. No rhyme nor reason that I know of.

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      Karen Nposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Mine plunged on August 10th and I'm starting to wonder if it will ever come back.

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         IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Did you not get the sudden traffic boost since then that some of us got, Karen? Mine came on the 4th of September, but crashed again on the 6th, which was hugely disappointing in that I only got less than 2 full days of decent traffic and earnings.
         Others who also crashed on August 10th seem to have had a recovery of some sorts, even if it didn't last.
         I wish it would settle down. I wish my traffic would come back too but the longer it stays away, the more I think it isn't going to recover, ever.

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            PaulGoodman67posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            The 10th august people do seem to have got it worst for some reason!

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               Happy Humanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Afraid so. I crashed on August 10th and never has a single boost or good day since.

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                  Uzdawiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Same here.

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               Silver Roseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               August 10th was the date of Panda 2.4
               
               Panda dates are as follows:
               
               Panda 1.0 - Feb 24, 2011
               Panda 2.0 - April 11, 2011
               Panda 2.1 - May 10, 2011
               Panda 2.2 - June 16, 2011
               Panda 2.3 - July 23, 2011
               Panda 2.4 - August 10, 2011
               
               If you plunged on Aug 10th and have remained down, then I think you've been Pandalised, and need to start doing work to see if you can improve your account.
               
               If you'd plunged after Aug 10th, then you are probably still in G's A/B testing phase in their lead up to Panda 2.5. If this is you, sit tight and wait it out. From memory, some of the people who were split test in the lead up to Panda 2.2 also experienced frightening plunges, but came out just fine once that version of Panda was finalised.

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                  EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  My 2nd account is in that situation - what do you recommend?

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                     Silver Roseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     You could try altering the balance of the account/sub-domain by adding some new hubs.
                     
                     Produce some hubs on non-commercial topics (but not politics or religion!) where there is high traffic but low CPC (i.e. easy to rank as marketers are not going after them). Make them as long and interesting as possible and then backlink them.
                     
                     There is some evidence that G is using user-metrics to assess domains. If you can entice people to come to your new hubs and stay a while reading them (as they are long) it might be enough to give your whole subdomain a lift.
                     
                     It's a long shot as you won't see any benefit till they put you through panda again (so initially it may seem like a waste of time).
                     
                     The other things to look for are a) don't allow spammy comments, b) don't have too many amazon modules on a hub - I know there is a lot of controversy about this, but the more your hub duplicates an amazon listing that ranks already, the worse it seems to perform and c) don't link excessively to other hubs, that happens anyway thanks to the related hub feature, so concentrate on linking out to other good quality trusted resources - government sites, nytimes, and so on.

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                        Silver Roseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        P.S. I think linking out to trusted resources really helps. Just checked my hubs - about 20% are info hubs that link out to places like the FT, govt sites, charity sites, newspapers, vanity fair, and so on. I think they help provide "cover" for my more commercial stuff which has stuff for sale.

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                           PaulGoodman67posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           This all looks like good advice to me, Silver Rose.  I think I will copy and paste it for my own safe keeping.  I have been alternating between posting amazon hubs and purely factual ones in recent times.  I suffered one crash and really don't want to experience another!

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                        EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Thanks for the reply - it all makes sense and if I were to keep my #2 hubs on HubPages, adding general interest non commercial hubs sounds like the way to go. Either that, or dismantle that account and move the hubs to my Empress Felicity account, my own site or Squidoo depending on subject matter.

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                  Wesman Todd Shawposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Thank you for the encouraging post!

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                  Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I think this is excellent, balanced advice.
                  
                  Some people have responded to the roller coaster by saying, "it's not worth trying to fix things, we just have to ride it out" - and I think that's true, for those who've had reverses recently. 
                  
                  But if you were hit on August 10th, you were Pandalised, and people don't get Pandalised for no reason.  You have to try to work out what's wrong and make some changes, if you hope to get your site restored next time Panda is run.

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                  Janet21posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  
                  
                  I plunged on August 10 and have not seen any recovery.  Guess I have Pandalised.

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            Karen Nposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            No,I didn't.
            I'm going to try and concentrate on link building, as well as work on my other account for the time being.

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      G Miahposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Mine just keeps improving all the time! Better than ever!!! Woooohooooooooo!!!

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      Les Trois Chenesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Mine hasn't either. Tiny, tiny trickle of views.

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   PaulGoodman67posted 13 years ago

   I plunged on the 3rd, surged on the 9th, and now my traffic seems to be heading downwards again.  It's chaos, and the subdomains make it difficult to understand what patterns exist!
   
   I hope you recover soon.  I hope we all recover soon!  :-)

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      PaulGoodman67posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Actually mine might not be plunging.  The decline might just be a slight decline, I hope.  Tues is my best day usually and it gradually goes down after that, only to rise again starting sunday, so it might be not serious.  I am nervous nowadays every time my views go down! lol
      
      I am wary of doing anything though.  I am going to write a couple more hubs, but I hope they don't throw a spanner in the works!

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   Stacie Lposted 13 years ago

   I think mine is on life support...or needs it..

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   cameciobposted 13 years ago

   Mine plunged on sept. 6th first time after the subdomain switc and, as today, I have no sign of recovery.
   A search on Google for my subdomain name returns only 3 hubs. I also noticed that none of these 3 are on coffee topic, topic that makes almost 75% of my account.
   The same search on Yahoo and Bing brings up the same 5 hubs, but none of these 5 are the same on Google.

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      IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      site:cameciob.hubpages.com returns 96 results.

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         cameciobposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I see ....you are right.
         but
         I did a search like this: cameciob.hubpages.com
         but now i searched izzym.hubpages.com and I got 3 of your hubs and the reast are links - internal links with your name.

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            cameciobposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I see ...I checked more accounts, even for people who didn't plunge and all are returning 3 hubs ....but the search with "site:" is different.

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   I am DB Cooperposted 13 years ago

   Just an update on my traffic: I made the subdomain switch back in July. In early August, I had a huge traffic plunge (to about 10% of previous levels). Traffic remained low until September 8th, when it suddenly rose to higher levels than it has ever been. Traffic has stayed high for the past week. I have no idea what's causing this, so I'll just assume it's tweaks in Google's algorithm. Most of my traffic is from Google.

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      joyfuldesignsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I had a up surge after the subdomain switch and its plunged (don't know the date) but most likely around the time as most mentioned here, with terrible numbers.  Very discouraging.

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   LuisEGonzalezposted 13 years ago

   My traffic went through the spike and suddenly crashed to almost none and now it has been slowly (very) going up....

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   cameciobposted 13 years ago

   This is Google's cache of http://cameciob.hubpages.com/hub/babyshowersgifts. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Aug 25, 2011 19:34:00 GMT. The current page could have changed in the meantime. Learn more
   
   
   this is the massage I got when I tried to open a page that came as a result of my subdomain search on google.

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      cameciobposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I am replying to myself...
      I clicked on the word cached by the article name...
      some articles, when open on cached are just empty pages, some show actual article and photos.
      Also, at the top of the page it mention the date when last crawled.
      Then I did a random search (the word visigoth) and open the cached page and I got the actual article.
      Unfortunately I have no knowledge abou how things work around the Internet, I can only do comparitions and associations.

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   cameciobposted 13 years ago

   "Google takes a snapshot of each page examined as it crawls the web and caches these as a back-up in case the original page is unavailable. If you click on the "Cached" link, you will see the web page as it looked when we indexed it. The cached content is the content Google uses to judge whether this page is a relevant match for your query.
   
   When the cached page is displayed, it will have a header at the top which serves as a reminder that this is not necessarily the most recent version of the page. Terms that match your query are highlighted on the cached version to make it easier for you to see why your page is relevant.
   
   The "Cached" link will be missing for sites that have not been indexed, as well as for sites whose owners have requested we not cache their content."
   from google help center

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      IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yes you've got it. You wouldn't normally look at a cached version of anything, but it's handy when someone has a hub unpublished, for instance, and comes to the forum asking why.
      
      You can then look at the cached version which remains in Google for several days after something is unpublished, and see what is wrong, hopefully.
      
      The link you put in the forum doesn't work because you have put a dot at the end of it.

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         cameciobposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Izzy, i couldn't see anything wrong with that particular hub. But I am wondering if google would even return to that page to crawl it again since it was empty last time its robots were there.

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            IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            It wasn't empty. Maybe you clicked out before the page was fully loaded. Don't forget, it is a snapshot, a photo, not the hub itself. I don't know how often Google updates the cache.

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   Rosie2010posted 13 years ago

   My traffic seems to stabilize with minor ups and downs. 50% decrease in traffic from the great surge a few days ago, but still holding at post subdomain change.

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    Wesman Todd Shawposted 13 years ago

    My traffic is way up - but that is only because I've used some major traffic generating sites that may well hurt me in the end with my click through rate.
    
    My Google.com traffic for the past 24 is at a whopping 15 page views - so my Google traffic is still at crash levels, but above the low of just six page views that I had in one 24 hour period a couple days ago.

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    dilipchandra12posted 13 years ago

    My traffic is sky-rocketing. All my Hubs (incl. dead hubs) are getting good traffic since sub-domain concept. And this September it is like boom to my hubs, very great traffic. So far, its mid-September, the increase is 178.78% (Acc. Analytics) compared to previous entire month. Its going great.

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    David 470posted 13 years ago

    My traffic is up above pre-panda levels and still up high, but it did plunge, but went back up.
    
    I keep getting hubs that sky rocket in traffic then go down to more normal levels. Need to keep publishing.

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    psycheskinnerposted 13 years ago

    With the exception of one day that was randomly back to old levels I am still plunged.

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    Hestia DeVotoposted 13 years ago

    I got hit with the post-Labor Day plunge, but I'm seeing my traffic come back.  I don't know if it's due purely to Google's tests or not, but there was one thing I did to my Hubs during the first days of the plunge. 
    
    I deleted a bunch of links that went from my Hubs to others, you know, the stuff that gets suggested for your Hub Karma.  I cut my Hub Karma in half and watched my traffic start going back up.

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       kmackey32posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I hope it wasnt your own traffic....

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    KidcooladeBlogposted 13 years ago

    i m new so i have no traffic at all

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       shoganposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Well, you need to write some hubs before you get traffic, KidcooladeBlog.

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    kmackey32posted 13 years ago

    My traffic did not plunge at all....

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    Hestia DeVotoposted 13 years ago

    It's been a week now and it's clear the traffic increases I'm getting isn't just from me going through my own Hubs.  I'm not stupid you know...

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    SimeyCposted 13 years ago

    I'm starting to un-plunge again! Back to the level where I was just before the surge - that's a 100% increase over yesterday!
    
    Confused? I know I am...

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       Rebecca E.posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       good we are on both counts in teh same boat!

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    Stacie Lposted 13 years ago

    Today my stats have tripled..

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    rontlogposted 13 years ago

    My stats pre panda were 100 searches a day. Several of my articles were no.1 on the first page. After panda they dropped. I switched to the subdomain and they surged to 120 a day. I was so excited, then they dropped again for a couple of weeks. Yesterday, I only got 19 searches. Then today....I may have turned a corner, my traffic may be coming back. It has gone upto 50 today. I hope so. I was going to give up with Hubpages. Come on traffic, come on

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    wildernessposted 13 years ago

    Sounds like maybe some good new from the Plungers.  Sure hope it continues!

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    seamistposted 13 years ago

    I hope my acct. starts increasing soon. So far, 255 hubs and 142 views for the last 24 hours. My traffics hasn't been this low since the first six months I started hubbing and didn't have hardly any hubs. I know I'm not the world's greatest writer, but I don't think my writing is bad either. I am so depressed about it. It makes me feel like walking away from here and NEVER turning back.

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    DIYweddingplannerposted 13 years ago

    No good news from me, mine is still in the toilet and I feel a little resentful of hubbers who are saying that those whose accounts plunged did something to make that happen.  From what I see it's completely random.

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    seamistposted 13 years ago

    I agree with you, DIYWeddingPlanner. It upsets me when other hubbers infer that Google is just trying to pluck the weeds. I don't know what is going on, but I don't believe it is our fault. I did not keyword stuff or excessively backlink. Nor did I write about spammy topics. I just don't understand why Hubpages has been silent about this. When we don't make money; they don't either. I hope your situation improves. Best of luck!

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       DIYweddingplannerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I didn't either, Seamist.  My stuff is not spam, it's my original writing and I wasn't doing badly before the subdomain shift.  I had a huge surge, then dropped completely out of sight and that's the way it's been for weeks now.  I sent an e-mail to HP and have received no reply at all.  I started writing a new hub and usually I get five or six reads (assuming from HP staff) before I publish.  I have had none.  Is anyone working for HP anymore?  Seems not, because someone's alseep at the wheel.    Good luck to you, too, Seamist!  If something doesn't turn around soon, I'm out of here.

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       Rebecca E.posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       seamist and DIYweddingplanner-- I do hope both of you will see some improvement soon, you both have good things.

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          DIYweddingplannerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks, Rebecca!

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    PaulGoodman67posted 13 years ago

    I can understand perfectly about annoyance and upset over other hubbers smugly making out that you have done something wrong if you plunge.  I have plunged myself and (thankfully) recovered, but the attitude of some hubbers I found to be distasteful.
    
    However, I would consider what Silver Rose says.  It might be that the August 10th plungers have been hit for a reason and others are just victims of Google testing?  That means if you belong to the first group, then you may be able to do something to help yourself?
    
    Just a thought.

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    DIYweddingplannerposted 13 years ago

    Well, I'm completely in the dark as to what I can do to "help myself out."  Other than spend some time writing someplace else.

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       Mark Ewbieposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       To you and seamist... I sympathise in as genuine fashion as my silly icon allows.  Strangely, virtually everyone who has terrible traffic - still has more than me and mine has improved!  24 hits so far today. 185 hubs.
       
       But hey, that's my fault for not understanding keyword research.
       
       It might be worth trying a separate HP account for new stuff for a while.  Shame I know but a chance to compare one against the other.  The new one may not be penalised, the old one may recover.
       
       Sorry guys.

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    seamistposted 13 years ago

    Hi Rebecca and Mark
    
    Thanks for the sympathy and support; I truly do appreciate it. Had I not put so much effort into my hubs, maybe it wouldn't bother me as much, but considering I am a slow writer and disabled too, it does bother me. I should probably just stop whining and concentrate on my own websites until something changes. It seems like that is what many people have done. I saw a remark from Misha in one the forums awhile back, and he said it would not do any good to try to backlink more because of the way Hubpages has responded to everything. I don't necessarily blame Hubpages, it's just frustrating for all of us experiencing this plunge. I guess until I see some improvement, I will just use Hubpages for backlinking for now. A couple of months ago that was my intention, but then I experienced a huge surge in traffic, and I thought, maybe I'll give it another try. Unfortunately, then the plunge happened, and things have only got worse since then. I just neither have the motivation or optimistic attitude to keep writing like some Hubbers have suggested. I don't know what the answer is, but I wish HP would give us some direction.

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       Mark Ewbieposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, perhaps HP could.  You have been here two years, have 250 hubs -that's a lot of work.  HP could spend half an hour looking at your work and advising a way forward.
       
       A win-win for both you and them.  Maybe they could go a little further along the specialised subdomain route and try a selection of pages in two or three further divided categories - or assist you with moving some stuff to a new and therefore unplunged account.
       
       How about it HP?

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    Stacie Lposted 13 years ago

    I'm completely in the dark why my traffic is rising so fast...and cautiously optimistic..I remember that sinking feeling I had after the last plunge...
    It seems to be random imo

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       PaulGoodman67posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I agree, I made no (significant) changes and my traffic recovered 6 days later.  I think it's a mistake to start messing around with removing RSS, or whatever.  I think most people just recover.  The only exceptions seem to be the 10th August people - or are you a 10th August?
       
       What will happen when the next stage of panda is introduced is anybody's guess?

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          Stacie Lposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          i don't remember if I was the Aug 10 plunger..whenever the last one occured..

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          wordscribe43posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I'm really not convinced the August 10th people are some unique group.  I was one of the 8/10 plungers and I surged like you wouldn't believe from 8/29 to 9/8, now I'm back in a plunge (although it's not as dramatic as the first plunge).  I don't think any of us is capable of creating predictions about anyone's traffic, or any group's traffic.  Truth is, there aren't any distinct "groups", although there are similarities, there are also distinct individual differences.
          
          I don't want anyone in the 8/10 group to feel even more discouraged.  There's still hope, but it takes the patience of a saint, no doubt.

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             PaulGoodman67posted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Well, you may be right!  A lot of the talk on here is idle speculation for sure and I include myself in that!
             
             HubPages have the figures to analyse, but it must be hellish complicated post-subdomain.  Early on, Paul E posted some of the traffic patterns of hubbers and that was before all the turbulence really got going!
             
             The next panda update may prove to be important.  I hope there is a recovery for all the good writers at that point, if not before, but who knows what will happen?

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             Ms Chievousposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             August 10th plunger here.  no there has been no significant change to my traffic.  I have 346 hubs and average 250-350 views a day.  I AM hopeful a panda update will open the floodgates on traffic and save Christmas.    In the meantime I will be building up on my other sites in case I am in the sandbox forever...

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                PaulGoodman67posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                

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                   SimeyCposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   I'm not sure what to think - but when I look at my stats it sure does look like a nice big middle finger - hmm is Google trying to tell me something! Ahhhh but now my stats are going back up - so when they go back down it'll be two fingers  -that's the British equivalent!!!

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    jcmayer777posted 13 years ago

    I took the plunge on September 9th.  I had my first red arrow show up a couple of days ago, then a couple more.  Right now over half, maybe two-thirds of them have those beautiful red arrows and a few have two.
    
    My overall traffic still isn't quite where it was, but it's getting pretty close.
    
    Of course, 24 hours from now I could plunge again, so I'm just going to enjoy the ride while I can.

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       jcmayer777posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I didn't do anything to my hubs during the plunge, so the traffic came back on its own.

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    SirDentposted 13 years ago

    Mine went down on Sept. 6 and started a couple days ago to show signs of recovery but fell back into the ICU.

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    Stacie Lposted 13 years ago

    well just checked my stats again and I now have 5 times the traffic than yesterday..
    Not bragging at all- just flabbergasted

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       SimeyCposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       same here! I'm nervous to look tomorrow!!!

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          PaulGoodman67posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Mine recovered a week ago and I am still nervous about looking.  Everytime I drop 20 views I am paranoid it's the start of another plunge!

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             IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I am still looking for that rise!
             
             In the past 3 days I have published 2 highly researched hubs of over 2000 words apiece. I am sort of thinking that I might help dilute some of the lighter stuff I have published in the past which I don't want to delete because they did well!
             
             I have more in the making - non sales, serious, research-type hubs, of things that I hope are not widely covered, or if they are, I am pointing out some serious statistical errors in the others.
             
             I don't know why I am bothering. Maybe it is because I am a writer/researcher first and foremost, and sitting looking at stats, or writing new posts for my websites which a kinda fluffy too, doesn't appeal to me.
             
             Fingers crossed that one day soon my Google traffic will come back.

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                PaulGoodman67posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Yes, good luck to you Izzy!
                
                We are all microscopic cogs in the Google machine, unfortunately.  I doubt if dropping someone from the rankings for a few months or longer means much to them in their big plan (especially if the person writes for one of those evil "content farms").  But it aint great for the people at the receiving end!  (I feel a little disillusioned and concerned at the moment, even if my traffic is fine at the mo.)

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                Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                That's why I only do this as a hobby (and I do realize I'm lucky to be able to do that!).  Personally I think it makes no sense at all to write anything on your HP sub-domain until you're sure it's capable of recovery - but it's hard to keep writing on your websites if they're not about something you can get motivate and passionate about.  But if you're in this to make money, you've got to grit your teeth and do what's best for your hip pocket!

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                   seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   I totally agree with Marisa. Unless you're a quick writer and don't care about the money side of it, I am venturing to guess that one would have to write 10+ articles before you could see whether it would have any effect. If you have your own website, it would be better to put your energy into something you have more control over even though it does get boring writing about the same thing all of the time.

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                Silver Roseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Keep going and keep producing the non commercial hubs - at some point there will be a tipping point where the balance of your account is altered and the penalty will lift.
                
                G works on "profiling". They can't assess quality the way a human can, so all that business about beautiful prose, and how it sounds when read aloud, just goes over the bot's mechanical head.
                
                Instead what they do is profile the sites they don't like, and then slam everything that fits the profile. (BTW, this is why hubpages and others should not blab about techniques they are using - because if teh spammers adopt them, they become part of the spam profile, and everyone using them gets dinged).
                
                Your sub-domain might be fitting the "affiliate site" profile, where most pages link out to Amazon. If you add sufficient non affiliate stuff in the account, the profile of the sub-domain might change without you needing to delete any hubs.
                
                Unfortunately I've no idea what the tipping point is - I think it might be 15-20% of your account not fitting the affiliate/content farm profile.
                
                One thing you might want to try for your new non-commercial hubs only - get people to share them in Google+ circles. For some reason (!) G seems to pay attention to stuff shared there and it might be enough to get the bot to take a second look at your account. But don't share your affiliate stuff there.

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                   PaulGoodman67posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   I must admit, I plunged after posting an Amazon affiliate hub, which might or might not have been a coincidence.  Since then I have been alternating between hubs with no Amazon, and hubs that are Amazon orientated, giving a 50/50 balance with new material, which is may well be over-cautious but I really dread plunging again.  I have also deleted an affiliate hub that wasn't performing well, and am considering getting rid of a couple more.
                   
                   Your advice is the best thing that I have read in the forums recently, imho, Silver Rose, and rings much truer than some of the nonesense I have seen.
                   
                   Another thing that I do is when I do write an Amazon hub nowadys, I go for a personal minimum of around 100 words per capsule, roughly double the minimum that HP imposed.  HP got flak from hubbers when they introduced this restriction, but I think they were along the right lines.  The reader should be given some description, background and thoughts about the products - this pleases the reader and hopefully Google too!

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                   Will Apseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   It wouldn't surprise me if this is true. I have been working on worthy, non-commercial pages myself, recently, as insurance against this possibility.
                   
                   But do you have any real evidence?
                   
                   I mean it makes sense but that does not mean it is necessarily true.

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                      Silver Roseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      I've gotten some clients sites out of Panda by increasing the non affiliate pages on the site, plus making sure that these pages link out to genuine authorities - e.g. which magazine, news sites, and so on.
                      
                      That's all the evidence I have!
                      
                      I know that some people disagree with me violently on the amazon point, but my experience is that if all or most of the pages on your site point to Amazon you get profiled as an affiliate site. Some people have pointed to Squidoo lenses having amazon on them and ranking, but squidoo hides their amazon links with lazy loading, so the bot will not have picked up what is actually going on.
                      
                      In G's world, some affiliate sites are related to doorway pages which exist purely to redirect people to another site. If all your pages simply have amazon links on them and nothing else, then the bot may conclude that you exist merely as a doorway to amazon.
                      
                      IMO - and this is just an opinion - the more variety in the linking out the better. So mixing in non-commercial pages that link out to good trusted sites will disrupt the profile. Think of them as loss-leaders, just there to help your profile while you make your real money with other pages.

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                         Will Apseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                         I am actually enjoying making my loss leaders- so I will carry on for a while regardless.
                         
                         I certainly won't be hitting the commerce buttons again before seeing where all this see sawing stuff is going. I don't want to endanger my main account having seen account number 2 (all amazon stuff) hit the rocks.
                         
                         Thanks for your advice.
                         
                         I would say that if Panda is looking for spammy accounts, it would be wise to be careful with the use of commercial keywords in any affiliate stuff, regardless of any buffering the non-commercial stuff might offer.

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                   IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Thanks for this advice Anyone care to share one of my newer hubs over on Google+? I've got 5 new shark hubs up...

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                      cameciobposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      Izzy, I have a small audience in Google + but I did it.

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                         IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                         Thank you so much!!
                         
                         It's a shot in the dark, really. I'll let you know it it works

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    seamistposted 13 years ago

    I hope the recovery lasts for all of you...congratulations!

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    DIYweddingplannerposted 13 years ago

    Congrats, Stacie and Simey. Maybe there's some light at the end of this long, dark tunnel!

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    Randy Godwinposted 13 years ago

    Absolutely no improvement on my traffic since the first and only plunge around August 10.  I'm facing missing my first payout per month with Adsense in over a year and a half.  Google is definitely the culprit in my case and I will not trust them for anything substantial ever again.
    
    Grew scroogle.

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       seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I'm sorry it's not going better, Randy. You're not alone. I just checked my stats this morning...154 views for the last 24 hours. By the way, you said you're not going to trust Google for anything substantial ever again. How do you get other search engine's traffic? Whether it's on Hubpages or my own website, 95% of my traffic comes from Google. I hardly get anything from Yahoo, Bing, etc.

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          johnshadeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Very true seamist, unfortunately google dominates the search engine market.      so they can do anything they want and get away with it.

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    johnshadeposted 13 years ago

    Mine has fully come back just two days ago. I'm still lost as to what caused it.

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       seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I'm glad your traffic has come back. I hope it holds with no more plunges!

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    cameciobposted 13 years ago

    
    
    My traffic plunged on sept. 6th and as today, sept. 17, did not recover.
    I can't stop reading the forum and constantly checking my stats. I had hopes of recovery until yesterday but I do not believe in such miracle anymore.
    
    I don't think that I'll stop writing hubs, or trying to build my own site. I have trust that internet writing is still in its youth; and what Google changes today it may be changed again tomorrow...Or what is Google today, another company may be tomorrow...Things are changing fast.
    
    I do not understand why my articles have been ok 2 weeks ago and now are gone.But even if I did understand it would be hard for me to start making changes to my articles because I already put a lot of work on them. I would like to make them better but I do not believe that's the problem.
    
    There were times when I wanted to leave HP or stop checking my stats or reading the forum but I couldn't do it. I will not leave HP but I'll do my best to detach myself from it, to not let this depressing failure to sneak into my everyday life. After all, there's lot of things that make me happy. I'll turn my attention to them.

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    DIYweddingplannerposted 13 years ago

    I'm at 39 views in the last 24 hours.

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       seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I'm sorry. I know it's disheartening. The only thing I can say is at least we're not totally alone. I sure don't understand it though. As I said yesterday, I wish HP would give some understanding of what's going on and some guidance. The silence makes me feel like they don't care. Maybe we are grains of sand on the beach to them, but if happens to more hubbers eventually, it will affect their earnings eventually too. With me, I imagine someone will say it because I have too many product hubs, but they are getting as much traffic as the informational hubs.

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       Rebecca E.posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I hope you'll get more traffic, maybe a surge from say a social networking site?  I know that it doesn't mean money-- but maybe a five second spike might help?

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          DIYweddingplannerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I think the views I have been getting are from me posting my articles of Facebook and Twitter.  Otherwise, I would have nothing.

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             Rebecca E.posted 13 years agoin reply to this

             last couple of days noticed that as well, my google fluctuates wildly, but social networking is my saving grace...

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       SimeyCposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       As everyone is saying I am really sorry you are suffering - all I can say is that if Google eventually achieve what they are looking for (or at least they say that they are looking for it)  - quality content - then there's no doubt you (and many other hubbers who've seen poor results) will surge backup....I hope for your sake it is sooner rather than later!

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    DIYweddingplannerposted 13 years ago

    This is their response when I e-mailed them:
    
    "Hello,
    
    Unfortunately with the implementation of panda there has been some decrease in traffic to some accounts. There is nothing that you did to cause this. If you would like some tips on gaining traffic, please visit the Learning Center and visit the section titled "Getting Traffic".
    
    http://hubpages.com/learningcenter/contents"
    
    
    
    Really??

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       seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       So much for that...it doesn't help much.

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          seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I didn't mean for that sound to like it wasn't much help you posting that....just HP's attitude.

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             DIYweddingplannerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I understood...my sentiments exactly!

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                seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Good. I read my post afterwards and I thought, "On no, that didn't sound good."

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    SirDentposted 13 years ago

    

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       kmackey32posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       wow that does not look good.

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    paradigmsearchposted 13 years ago

    I do believe the traffic has already started the new week inch up.

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    SirDentposted 13 years ago

    I have been checking my analytics.  My sear5ch traffic is down almost 20% from what it used to be.  I also noticed a little higher bounce rate than normal.  Have read that the bounce rate might be the reason many sites have gone down so far in the serps.
    
    I am not going to do anything at this time.  Need to wait and see what happens the next time Google crawls my pages.  My traffic is still down to the lowest it has been in close to three years.

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    paradigmsearchposted 13 years ago

    The inch up slowly continues...

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       SimeyCposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       And the google dance continues for me - surging downwards again!!!

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          IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          A surge upwards would be nice now and again.

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             SimeyCposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             It really makes no sense - a lot of great hubbers are being punished for no reason while the lucky ones at least see highs occasionally - it's the lack of consistency that concerns me - why punish one writer and not another!

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                IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                I can understand the lack of consistency, after all each of our subdomains must stand on their own merit. What I do not understand is what have I done wrong? And if I have done something wrong, it will be for a different reason than the next person, as we plungers seem to have no common ground that we have been able to elucidate (I'm even using big words now!).
                
                I have a huge mix of hubs. OK some are Amazon sales hubs, I don't use eBay, but the vast majority are normal how tos or what I would consider to be interesting topics.
                
                But something seems to be keeping them all down. Even the few hubs that still get regular traffic are struggling, as they keep slipping in the SERPS.
                I am keeping writing, because as Silver rose said, I might be able to 'tip the balance' at some point.
                
                At this time of year I should be writing sales hubs - I always did earn more from Amazon than Adsense, but I am scared to in case that is where the problem lies.

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                PaulGoodman67posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Yes, it's peculiar.  Very difficult to work out what the pattern is.  You could understand some fluctuations but it seems to go on and on for some people.
                
                My traffic is stable nowadays and relatively high (by my mediocre standards).  Though I am wary of posting too many affiliate hubs, as I am concerned that Google is profiling some  subdomains as spammy/overcommercial.
                
                Of course, it is quite possible that Google is doing more than one thing as once and that is why it is difficult to fathom what's going on!

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    Hollie Thomasposted 13 years ago

    I find it really difficult to estimate if the peaks and troughs I'm seeing our usual or not, as my hubs are so young. I'm really not sure what is standard at this point. I have nothing to compare it to.

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    kmackey32posted 13 years ago

    Yesterday my traffic starting moving in the upward direction. Is anyone else having better results?

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       SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       My traffic is even lower than last weeks.

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    DIYweddingplannerposted 13 years ago

    I'm afraid to say anything, but yes, mine is on a very slow upswing.  Cross your fingers!

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       Rosie2010posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Me too.. I'm afraid to say anything, but my traffic is also inching up.. very slowly.. fingers crossed.

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          SimeyCposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          If my traffic graph was a rollercoaster ride I'd be making the big bucks!
          
          August 1st - normal traffic
          August 23rd - September 5th - metioric rise to 400% of normal traffic
          September 6th - September 15th - dropped like a rock to 80% of normal traffic
          September 16th - September 19th - metioric rise to 300% of normal traffic
          September 20th - dropped like a rock to 75% of normal traffic
          
          If the trend continues I should see a metioric rise to 200% of normal traffic next week!
          
          Just wish this Google Dance thingy would settle down already!!!
          
          (Today is actually looking like it'll be my worst day since early 2010 - traffic is at 50% of normal traffic (for the same time of day!)

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       toygurusposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       This is so weird. Today another one of my accounts is that was sinking is rising and this account is sinking. This is a frustrating rollcoaster ride. If some hubbers are rising others are sinking. I guess it doesn't effect hubpages traffic as a whole but for individual hubbers this isn't the best pattern.

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          shai77posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I have the same thing going with my accounts and not for the first time,when one is sinking the other one is rising and after a while they change roles.
          This is simply crazy, and it happens time after time.
          It doesn't make any sense!

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       Rebecca E.posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       good to here DIY-- mine has gone up a d bit and now down.  I'm almost thinking it's time for an extreme hub makeover!...

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    IzzyMposted 13 years ago

    I went over to Google plus and had a good argument with a guy who has been posting lots of links to a hub of mine stolen by China Daily. He said sorry as he did not realise they had stolen the link from me, and I got to put a link on to his Google plus account too, so we'll see.
    
    No ups or downs for me really, just my traffic is way down on what it used to be and seems to be staying that way, Oh well, c'est la vie!

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       wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Izzy, do you have a handful of hubs that might be decent if it were not for the wild swings?  What if you start a new account and transfer a few over to it as a test?
       
       My reasoning is that many, if not most, hubbers are not seeing this wild coaster ride.  Maybe a new account would stop it, or maybe picking and choosing hubs to remove could help.
       
       Yes, you will lose the "aged" factor and that would be a major hit, but you just might find that the new account would be a real performer.  It's been over a month now of this garbage going on - will it EVER stop without major modifications somewhere?
       
       Just a thought, and a radical one, I know.  It hurts, though, to see so many really good hubbers facing this day after day for no apparent reason.  I keep poking at it, but can't seem to find much in the way of a cause or solution.

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          IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I can't move my hubs.
          
          They have all been copied all over the net, and although I have gone after a few, there are still plenty copied out there, sometimes only parts of hubs.
          
          I'd find my own hubs becoming unpublished by the duplicate content filter!
          
          Not only that, unpublishing would mean losing the backlinks they already have.
          
          I have started a new account, but am writing a series of hubs on this account to try and improve the overall quality of the hubs on this account. I am working on the 8th at the moment and still no change.
          
          Any day now, I will leave it alone and concentrate on the new unslapped account.

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             wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Well, it was just a thought - and I see one that you have already considered and actually started work on.  I hadn't thought of the copying problem, but it would definitely prevent you from moving them.  I wish we could simply hang the thieves by their thumbs for a month or so - might put a stop to that.
             
             Another thought - could you manually spin a few of your best hubs into the new account?  You won't have the backlinks of course, but it might give you an idea of what you can expect from that account and by using only high traffic hubs you might find the new account rising very rapidly.

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                IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Or write new content around some of my more successful hubs? It might be better to look at some of my hubs that have been successful in the past (rather than the ones doing OK now) and write new ones around them. Good idea!

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                   wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Yes - that's pretty much what I had in mind.  Whether it is totally new content or just a re-write doesn't matter.
                   
                   And yes, I also meant the ones that have proved successful.  I would use the same keywords and phrases - they were successful once and could be again.  Coupled with more experience and knowledge about SEO I would expect you to make them at least as good as they once were.
                   
                   It will take time, of course, to age the new hubs but the subdomain thing might help a lot.  Not sure if you should include the author tag in the new profile, though - if you do google might just penalize it because of the current fiasco they have caused.

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                SimeyCposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                A far more radical approach - and one I truly think Hubpages should consider is to allow us to have multiple domains under one username - a bit like groups. You'd be allowed to add every hub to a domain - thus you could seperate different types of hubs into different domains. They could be based on the main domain - example I could have:
                
                SimeyC-Commercial.Hubpages.com
                SimeyC-Poetry.Hubpages.com
                Simecy-Christmas.Hubpages.com
                
                
                This would remove the need for setting up and building new accounts as HP could provide 301 re-directs (or whatever they are called).

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                   wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Interesting though.  Can you have sub-sub-domains, just like folders withing folders in your hard drive?  That could be an answer too - a subdomain for the profile and additional ones for your groups.
                   
                   Of course, even if it is possible I would have no idea at all what it would entail, either way, to set up.  The problem of 301's could be a huge additional workload for HP - I just don't know.
                   
                   I do know there are quite a few hubs of my own I would like to put into a different subdomain but don't want to lose their history and juice from aging.

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                      SimeyCposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      Either that or give us the ability to transfer to another sub-domain - I have 500+ hubs - I could probably create 5 or six sub-domains - there's no way I have the time to delete 500+ hubs and then re-create them on a different sub-domain!!!
                      
                      I guess I'd have to put up with losing the juice though!

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                         wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                         That's why I haven't done it.  I don't want to lose the juice.  Time would not be a huge problem as I only have 100+ hubs, but I've followed over the past year as many of those hubs just keep getting more and more views without any changes and often without any backlinks.  I don't want to lose that!

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    cballi316posted 13 years ago

    I had to look at adsense to get a date, but it looks like my traffic died around August 31st. It has not recovered at all since then.

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    seamistposted 13 years ago

    Are any other plungers seeing a traffic recovery today? My traffic has increased by 4xs compared to the last few weeks although it's still only half the amount that it was in at its high in August. Anyway, I'm not holding my breath since Google is way to fickle.

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       CASE1WORKERposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Unfortunately, "no" but I hope that it continues for you for a little while longer

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          seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Thank you, Case1worker
          
          As I said, I'm not holding my breath. In August after the domain switch, my traffic shot back up pre-panda levels...approx. 1000 views per day. Then since Sept 6, it's hovered betweein 125 - 175 per day. Right now, it's sitting at approx 600. My personal website has these ups and downs too. All I can think it is is the Google dance. Makes no sense to me. On that note, I hope everyone who has plunged sees a long-lived recovery soon.

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             Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             No recovery for me!  Mine fell August 10 from almost 1700 views per day to around 200 views on the worst days to 400 on the best.  Earnings are not quite that low but close.  Google dunnit!
             
             Goo Screwgle!

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                Stoneage2010posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                No good news for me.
                My traffic is a total disaster.
                I used to have about 200 views each day from google, now i have about 4-5 views

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                Wesman Todd Shawposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Hey Randy, my shit seems to be rising - and fast too - it only started today.  I'll bet yours will get right on back to where it was very soon.

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                   Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Not really encouraged at this point, Wesman.  My experience seems to be different than most of the other Plunger members.  It never spiked after the subdomain change nor fell during any of the previous Panda strikes.  It simply plummeted overnight with no spikes since.
                   
                   I'm glad some of you guys are doing better though!
                   
                   Randy Godwin
                   
                   President and Founder--Hub Plunger's Club

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                      SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      Count me in as a member.  Elect me to an office if you want.  My traffic is lower now than it was in the first few months of being a mmeber here.

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       Rosie2010posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Good for you, seamist!  My traffic is holding at post subdomain... barely holding though.

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          Multimanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          It is so strange, I plunged then rose, then plunged again, now it has risen to pre plunge level again, I am holding my breath waiting for the next disaster.

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       IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Err...no.
       After reading your post earlier, I have been keeping an eagle eye on stats (like I didn't before!) and thought I saw the ghost of a recovery for a few hours.
       But it wasn't to be.
       My stats fell further over the past few days, and what I saw today was an attempted recovery to pathetic levels instead of lame levels. Not much difference!
       But hey good luck, hope this is a recovery for you

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          seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Hey Izzy
          
          I am not bragging, but the traffic has gone from less than 200 yesterday to a high of 1100 today. I'm not trying to be negative, but considering the unreal rise in traffic, I highly doubt it will be sustained. I just don't understand it because it doesn't make sense, especially over a 24-hour period. The only reason I posted this is because I wanted to see if there are any similar patterns with other hubbers that have plunged.

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             seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I will also add that I have not changed anything in the hubs or added any new ones to account for the changes.

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             IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Oh seamist, I wasn't trying to suggest you were!
             
             Enjoy it while it is there! I hope it stays there too, really

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                seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                I didn't think you were, Izzy. I just wanted to make sure no one misinterpreted it.

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             toygurusposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             This is happening to other hubbers as well. One day they will see a great rise then they will sink. Few weeks later they see a huge rise followed by a crash.

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    Elijah Sposted 13 years ago

    Hey all,
    
    I received an answer to my Google reconsideration request: "No manual spam actions found."
    
    Basically they say that they reviewed my site and found no spam, and that there was no manual action against the subdomain by their webspam team. Any drop in rankings is due to the algorithm, and no reconsideration request is needed.
    
    I plunged on August tenth, without any signs of recovery since then. Traffic is practically non-existent (though I do make the occasional sale now and then).
    
    I don't know if I should be relieved or not...

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       seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       That is good news, Elijah. Congrats! Wow, I checked out your profile, and you have alot of hubs. Just out of curiosity, how much traffic do you get a day on the average?

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       IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I also plunged on August 10th when Panda 2.4 was run.

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          seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Mine plunged on Sept. 6. Last Oct, Nov, & Dec, my traffic was usually a 1000+ per day. Then when Panda hit in Feb it went down signficantly and kept falling over the months. I didn't change over to subdomains...I let HP switch me. After the subdomain switch, it rose back up to pre-panda levels. Then on 9-6, it sunk to less than 200 per day. None of this stuff makes sense.

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             CASE1WORKERposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I am a September 23rd plunger- late to everything as usual!

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                joyfuldesignsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                I'm not sure what exact date my traffic plunge was, but still nothing.  Today I got a whopping 5 visitors.  Very discouraging to say the least.

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                   seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   I'm sorry...that's very discouraging for 87 hubs. Hopefully, it will improve.

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                seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Case1worker
                
                Me thinks this is one event you can be glad you're late too.

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                   CASE1WORKERposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   I do think that there will be a number of other attendees so at least I will get a seat!

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                      MPG Narrativesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      Leave a seat for me, I haven't been doing great for quite a while.

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                      seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      I guess that's a postive way to look at it.

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    Janet21posted 13 years ago

    I was hit on all three of the dates previously mentioned; hubs hit Aug 10, one of my blogs hit 9/6 and one of my other blogs hit 9/23.  In horse racing they call that a trifecta. lol

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       seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Three times wasn't a charm in your case, was it. My personal blog got hit on 9-23. Since it was a new blog, it didn't have a alot of traffic, but my conversion rate was pretty good. Now I've gone from anywhere from 50 to 80 unique visitors a day down to 0 to 6 in last week plus. It's just so discouraging it make one want to cry.

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          seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          In fact, although my personal blog is still indexed, you can't find any of the posts anywhere, and the puny amount of traffic I do have is coming from backlinks I wrote.

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             seamistposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Actually, I went back and looked at my personal blog, it was hit on 9-20.

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       toygurusposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I believe that google tweaked its algorithm on the Sept 20. I saw a lot of movement in the keywords I was tracking. I think this update targets new sites only however. This could be why certain hubbers are suffering. Their domain is too new to have gained authority.

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