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I went to reply to a post in this thread and saw that it had been closed to reply and I was curious as to why it has been closed. http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/90745
I'm going to make two guesses here:
1. that staff closed the thread, and that
2. they closed it because Cags has already published the hub that I'm presuming that forum post was created to generate?
He hasn't published the hub yet. It's for this year.
I don't understand why this thread was closed if the requests for info for Women of HP was the reason. It was NOT self-promotion and he has done it before. Did we ever figure this out, Susan? I read a lot of the comments, but I'm still confused.
The thread in question was closed because it violates our rules against self promotion on the forums.
No offense, but why did it take the staff nine days to reach that decision?
We only close threads that generate a large number of flags and that severely violate our rules. The thread in question generated a huge number of flags overnight and early this morning. When a thread contains rules violations and generates this many flags, we almost always close it.
EDIT: replaced "or" with "and" in the first sentence
First Cagsil got banned 7 days because of another thread and now his thread, which is 9 days old, has received a lot of flags overnight? I'd say somebody is really out to get him.
This is not the first time that Cagsil did a hub like that. I think he also asked for profiles through the forums. That time he didn't get banned. This time he did.
*sigh* what's happening to the forums?
Norah, Why were the original hubs allowed? And what makes this up and coming hub different?
So the posts generated flags then. But it wasn't for self promotion- it was community support.
I'm not sure what you mean. Flags on HubPages are notifications to HubPages staff made by community members of rules violations, not indicators of community support.
I think it's fairly easy to see that the subject of the second sentence is the tread itself and not the flags.
In any case, it is the hub staff who decide what is self-promotional. Often based on links.
What I meant was Cags is writing a hub as a community hub. He is not writing this hub for himself, he is writing it for the ladies of this community. All I am saying is that he isn't doing it for self promotion. I do understand what flags are and it's a shame that this forum post got flagged in the first place.
The posts generated flags, the moderators decided they broke self-promotion rules. As described by staff above.
So basically those who don't like the hubber flagged it for purely selfish reasons...
Does it matter why it was flagged? The staff are the only people who can actually do anything, not the flaggers.
Yes, but she did say it was drawn to their attention because of the flags.
I think that might be valid. I love Cags, ....despite disagreeing with the guy on a ton of things....but when someone is opinionated or firm on some ideas as he or I am....I think you might be right.
Norah also said that the forum had to contain rule violations as well. Not saying that I agree with the decision, nor do I condone it either. If anything, I don't see how the thread could be deemed self promotion, but that's just me.
I just wonder what Cagsil will have to say to all this, as I'm sure he'll probably be upset; which I wouldn't blame him considering that I'd probably be too.
HP used to be a great community of writers supporting each other and also having fun. The thriving community was one of the main reasons I signed up and spent time writing here.
Now the site is defined by paranoia, pettiness, lack of engagement with writers, and insensitive moderation.
HP has lost its soul, and that saddens me
There are still lots of nice folks here.
And we can always put contracts out on the rest.
Nice to see you, Sufidreamer! You haven't been around in awhile. You've been missed.
Ahhh Sufi, I miss our thread hijacks! We were a couple of rascals
I keep trying to think it hasn't. I'm an optimist. But I believe you may be right. A gradual erosion of the soul, i.e. the sense of closeness and community that comes with any institution or organization as it flourishes in the warmth of mutual purpose and the desire to make something grow.
There's a critical mass that these entities hit wherein the particular goals of the leadership no longer neatly align with the collective body of the group. Too many individuals create opportunities for strife (usually born of pettiness, but also of exploitation and the rest of the stuff in humanity's bag of tricks). From there, for the sake of "equanimity" and "order" rules must be enforced--and they are enforced by more of the same people, humans, that created the problem by their accumulated presence. But when too much order is enforced, it is imposed. People chafe at imposed order. It is the antithesis of creativity, so it is worse when it begins to poison a place like HP.
Ultimately, HP is a business. So, like all companies that grow to success--raised up by the arms of happy people lifting together for the joy of building something--once success arrives and that critical mass is attained, there is no room for happy freedoms. Not when the petty begin to whine like a cloud of angry gnats. Leaders have no time to investigate causes, they just want it to stop. They get middle managers to "handle it" so they can do the real work of maintaining the income that came with success. The focus on money takes over and, with unmitigated irony, crushes the very thing that brought about the circumstance of success to begin. That's the death of a collective soul.
The entity can go on. It will. They always do, at least for a time. It can have victories, but it is a juggernaut, a large and heartless thing. It's the thing that makes people want to throw up at corporate team-building events. The saccharine attempts at levity and social warmth that are a mockery of anything genuine. Everyone there for a job. Everyone there to take. No one is really lifting anymore. A thousand to do what a hundred once could.
[Cheers, Cags. See you on FB until... f-ing Easter?]
Maybe someone else can open up a new thread on Cagsil's behalf. The way he did for shades of Breath
That's a great idea. And, the best part of that is that nobody can say he's self promoting either.
@Paradigm Search - That is true. Perhaps the recent events have made me miss a few of the older faces that I used to chat to in the forums. I like the contract idea, though
@Aficionada - Thanks for the welcome. I pretty much exiled myself from the forums after the witch hunt against ESL hubbers, as that is a topic close to my heart. I now have many other pursuits outside HP, so avoiding the forums freed up a lot of time!
Hope you are both keeping well - good to see some familiar faces
@Flora - In the meantime I deleted my post at Cagsil's request. It appears he hasn't reached his goal yet after all.
My 2 cents worth...
Moderation used to be very lenient regarding self-promotion.
Now the pendulum has swung the other way.
Hopefully it will settle down to a happy medium.
And this is why I rarely visit/participate in the forums....
We love our Cags.
And he is a strong person. He'll do fine.
Yes, Cags will be fine.
I'm not so sure about HP. When a forum is closed for asking for information to build a hub with that seems a little over the top. I've seen lots of threads started expressly for that reason and suspect there are many hundreds more. It is not uncommon.
i wonder if there is a connection between the no. of flags and no. of days for a ban.
I caught this in Facebook last week and didn't think much of it as he did it back in 2010. Also in this thread many ladies yes they were in? So I am really confused why he was banned from the Hub Hoppers group? Is it something he said? did he upset Linda? or was his request taken as to personal to some? I am in the dark with this one to. I always felt Cags was an upright guy, sure he gets banned now and then for saying his mind and sometimes a little raw to the bone probably rubs some hubbers the wrong way with his take on life and his beliefs or disbeliefs. I sure would really like to know why he was banned.
Hi, Vincent. I hope that you're not referring to me in your post, since my real name is Linda. I noticed that Susan announced that Cagsil was banned from the forums for seven days shortly after I mentioned in the thread that my name was missing from the list of names for Cagsil's hub. I wasn't upset by my missing name at all! It was just an oversight, as I thought it was, and Cagsil quickly added my profile to the list. I have no idea why he was banned, and I certainly didn't complain - there was nothing to complain about! (Perhaps I'm not the "Linda" that you're referring to, but I wanted to set the record straight, just in case.)
He wasn't banned from the HH group, he chose to leave it for now. So he was not banned. I read that earlier on HH.
As for HP moderators there isn't any explanation necessary, many of us have been banned for one reason or another. My other account is banned for life from the forums because people complained I was trying to promote the other account. Didn't bother me, I was far from promoting it, I just forgot which account I was in when I was answering people on the forum. So instead of yapping from my other account, I only use this one. My other account however is in both of my profiles.
Having a hiatus from the threads is a wonderful thing and soon I will be taking another, to much to do and so many to greet, read and write. :)Cagsil on hiatus will also do him a world of good, he has to create those Valentine Hubs and they take a long time.
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense that this thread was closed. Other hubbers gather info about others, hubs they write, opinions they post, etc....but aren't banned. And Cags even did one like this back in 2010. Is Cagsil being picked on? The purpose of this thread seemed to be to promote others, not himself. This makes me uncomfortable. Too much censorship unless there's some real reason the thread was closed. I'm willing to listen to that, but it doesn't look fair from just reading the explanations.
I'm only referring to this thread. So is he not supposed to do the women of hubpages hub he wanted to do?
This makes me afraid to even ask a question for fear that it's inappropriate without my knowing....
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