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New Theory on Traffic - The Dirty Snowball to Hell

  1. Sally's Trove profile image85
    Sally's Troveposted 5 years ago

    Gee wiz...what happened to janderson's posts?

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I wondered myself, Sally.  Sorta spooky!  yikes


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      1. janderson99 profile image85
        janderson99posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Sorry I got told to leave HP by a prominent hubber, and did want to engage in a personal debate so I pulled the post.

        1. paradigmsearch profile image85
          paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Hang in there. This too shall pass. smile

        2. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          How dare you state your opinion you rookie!  lol  Don't let them get you down, Janderson!  Several years worth of work isn't easy to give up on, despite those suggesting one merely leave and go somewhere else.  I know,  I've been exposed to the same attitude by staff before.  Of course they don't like hard questions here.  It's a business!  smile

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          1. janderson99 profile image85
            janderson99posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I have a large stake in this business
            575 hubs in 24 months
            175 hubs since Jan 2012
            So making it work better matters to me!

            1. Randy Godwin profile image92
              Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Exactly!  So, big deal!  You've worked hard to get ahead and tried earnestly to adhere to the guidelines for years and someone says "Why are you still here if you don't like the way things are? Just accept you've wasted your time and ease on down the road.  No harm done!"  lol  Cold, brother!  smile

              No, you have a right to complain if things aren't handled well here.  There are always those who will criticize you for it though.  More of my experience learned on other sites.  smile

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        3. Sally's Trove profile image85
          Sally's Troveposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Prominent hubber? There are none of those. Unless you let them be that. Just speak your stuff. The worst/best thing that can happen to you is that you get banned from forums. I haven't yet, but maybe one day, and that will suit me fine.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Well said, Sally!  No one should be afraid to state their views when something is their business too.  And I have been banned on several occasions for daring to speak out about things I found less than pleasing here.  The last time was for 4 weeks.  Worth every second of it!  smile

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            1. paradigmsearch profile image85
              paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Why is a snake so smart?

              Because you can't pull its leg.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                As you might have guessed, that is not the first time I've been referred to as a "smart asp", Para!  yikes

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            2. Sally's Trove profile image85
              Sally's Troveposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Well said. smile

  2. Nouveau Skeptic profile image72
    Nouveau Skepticposted 5 years ago

    You got asked why you stay when you seem very disatisfied--which is rather a different thing from demanding that you leave,

    1. relache profile image85
      relacheposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      That's pretty much what I was about to write.  Thanks for saying it for me, Nouveau.

    2. janderson99 profile image85
      janderson99posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Pass!

  3. paradigmsearch profile image85
    paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

    An old snake goes to see his Doctor. "Doc, I need something for my eyes...can't see well these days". The Doc fixes him up with a pair of glasses and tells him to return in 2 weeks. The snake comes back in 2 weeks and tells the doctor he's very depressed. Doc says, "What's the problem...didn't the glasses help you?" "The glasses are fine doc, I just discovered I've been living with a water hose the past 2 years!"

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hisssssss!  lol




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  4. Mark Ewbie profile image83
    Mark Ewbieposted 5 years ago

    "Sorry I got told to leave HP by a prominent hubber"

    There are a few types of "prominent" hubbers.

    1. "Success" stories whose graphs show a clear and huge decline in traffic.

    2. Those who spend a large time in the forums trying to get pointless followers.

    3. The usual variety of forum pondlife.

    For what it's worth - I wanted to read the OP.  It might have had an interesting angle on things - make a change from 99% of the garbage posted on here.

    1. janderson99 profile image85
      janderson99posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The point I made was this:

      The traffic for older hubs has declined - you only have to view the success stories ( www.hubpages.com/success and click 'read more') to confirm this. There are a number of reasons for this - with copied and competing articles eventually swamping the original high ranking articles. Even Paul E has confirmed that the Google 'freshness factor' has been ramped up so older hubs get lower ranks. This means that the notion of spending hours and hours writing huge well-researched 'evergreen hubs' may not be effective anymore (here today, gone tomorrow).

      I have only been able to sustain my traffic and earnings by writing more and more hubs. I slowed down over the last month and my traffic has fallen 20%. The same is true of Hubpages itself - the total traffic has been trending down despite the hundreds or thousands of hub that are added each day. HP traffic should be going up.

      Lets call the poor quality hubs dirt. As the snow ball rolls along the good white stuff (evergreen quality hubs) inside degrades and the snowball picks up more and more dirt as it rolls along. HP does not have a quality standard or a 'spun detector' and so a lot of dirt is picked up all the time.

      Copied stuff on other sites is also dirt. Because of the 'related hubs' listed with every hub, there is a risk that every hub will get tainted by being linked to a 'dirty neighbour'. This dirties everything.

      What does this mean?
      => If HP does not introduce a 'dirt filter' and stop the universal links to 'related dirty hubs', most of the hubs you write will have a limited shelf life (perhaps 6-12 months). Google wants fresh stuff as well.
      => If you want to sustain an income from HP you will have to keep writing more and more hubs all the time. If you stop - income will fall. Rewriting may work, refreshing may work, but probably not.
      => Given this, the new focus could be to set up several specific accounts and to write quick hubs of moderate quality rather than huge 'evergreen ones'. There is a trade off here because Google definitely likes large numbers of hubs within a sub. Small subs take a while to work.
      => There are other choices - perhaps the 'leaves' may stay greener on other sites or your own websites. But there is definitely a choice to make. The writing is on the wall. The GAME has changed.

      The END

      PS Writing 4 hubs in 6 months is not a badge of commitment.

      1. Mark Ewbie profile image83
        Mark Ewbieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks!  It was worth a read, and it's a fine analogy.

    2. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry you missed the OP, Mark.  But others felt the need to criticize the criticism.  There are always those types on any writing site.  smile

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      1. Mark Ewbie profile image83
        Mark Ewbieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I learn far more from people moaning than from people saying everything is all fine and dandy.

        1. paradigmsearch profile image85
          paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          If someone can remember even just one partial sentence from the op, we can probably find a copy...

  5. 2uesday profile image84
    2uesdayposted 5 years ago

    I would say the OP has 575 reasons to stay and the time invested in producing them.

  6. Lisa HW profile image83
    Lisa HWposted 5 years ago

    The motives and reasoning behind what is, or even just appears to be, criticism are often misinterpreted.  Some people who "present concerns" (or "challenges" or "observations") are often trying to share (and maybe contribute to analysis of a problem or help figure out a solution) or else get feedback or just have a discussion that covers all angles.  Over the last few years I've become so aware of "certain people" (in offline life) seeming to misinterpet/misunderstand things I've said that "aren't all puppy-dogs-and-daisies" but that really aren't "tearing down" at all either), I'm now in the habit of making my neutral observation or else less than "all is OK-dokey" remark and making sure to follow it with, "...not complaining - just observing".  These days, I've just learned, too, not to keep it to the few who tend to misinterpret.  I just add to that to most things I say that get anywhere near "the far edge of neutral-or-nicer".   lol

    1. paradigmsearch profile image85
      paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      +1

      Yep, there are some folks who never learn how to agree to disagree. big_smile

      1. Lisa HW profile image83
        Lisa HWposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        By the way, the above was just an observation - not a complaint or a criticism of anyone or anything.      big_smile   As I said, I've learned to throw in that remark as often as possible now.   smile

        1. Mark Ewbie profile image83
          Mark Ewbieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Well, I have never been so upset or horrified by a post.  For you to say something like that just beggars belief. I have only now stopped shaking enough to be able to type.

          1. paradigmsearch profile image85
            paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I agree. And I not only flagged the post, I sent HP an emergency email.

            1. Mark Ewbie profile image83
              Mark Ewbieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Well, er, I have called the police.

              1. paradigmsearch profile image85
                paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Wished I'd thought of that. lol

        2. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Reported!!!  lol


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  7. Lisa HW profile image83
    Lisa HWposted 5 years ago

    lol  Unfortunately, I've seen from personal experience that there's a good chance they'll show up - and in two or three police cars.  (Long story for anyone not familiar with it - and God knows I try to make as many people as familiar with it as I can  lol, but - boy - there can be a real down side to having too much faith in the idea that communication actually leads to understanding.   lol  )

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I don't understand?  sad 



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