To all conservatives out there, what do YOU believe is abysmally wrong

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   gmwilliamsposted 10 years ago

   
   with the current state of American society and government?  Do YOU contend that  America currently is a dependent, rescue me, owe me, and entitled society?
   

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      - it is not human nature to be whining and dependent. From the time we are two years old, we humans want the strength of independence and want to be able to do things ourselves. It is deviation of human nature to be otherwise. In this land of the robust, due to the amount of freedom and independence we have been given, no, I do not think we are, have become or will ever be an "entitlement" society. WHO wants that? Some have the mistaken belief that everyone should help everyone. That's immature utopian-based reasoning. One can naturally handle one's own survival and the family he/she creates. That challenge is enough until such time one willfully wants to assist others and has the means to do so. It MUST free choice regarding this matter.
      - great shot of the capital building, gm.

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         gmwilliamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Thank you, Kathryn.  Your response is succinctly on-target and intelligent as usual!

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         Zelkiiroposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         a.k.a. "I like arbitrary barriers and arbitrary divisions that allow me to hate others for no real reason other than by virtue of those arbitrary divisions!"
         
         The longer the world continues to have barriers, the longer the human race continues to dig itself into a self-destructive hole.

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         wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Disagree.  We see, more and more, that everyone past the age of two wants independence to do what they want, yes, but not the responsibility that goes with it.  Including the responsibility to support ourselves.
         
         Teens seldom work to buy their toys anymore.  We see more and more "youngsters" into their 30's living with mommy and daddy because they "can't" find work.  The number of people with their hand out to Uncle Sam has crossed half the total population. 
         
         In that sense people are all too often a 2 year old that will never grow up and will always have their hand out, begging or demanding others support them.

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            gmwilliamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Totally agree with Wilderness.  America is becoming a nation of 2 year olds.  We were once an independent, can do nation who believed in responsibility and accountability.  Now, America is an owe me and rescue me nation who does not want responsibility and accountability.  There is an increasing anti-achievement and anti-success culture. Many Americans want to be PROVIDED for from cradle to grave.  An example of this is Obama"care", now THAT'S a piece of work!

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      Disappearingheadposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      It is the sharp division of wealth that promotes a rescue me, owe me, entitlement society. Nobody should be under any illusion that they can get to the top of society by personal merit and achievement. The top of society have pulled up the draw bridges to prevent any further access. By inherited wealth they maintain their grip and accumulate more. They obtain effectively free healthcare and education; at least free in terms that it makes no dent in their resources. The common people can only obtain education and healthcare by incurring debt.
      
      If there wasn't such an imbalance of wealth, the apparent insurmountability of getting ahead, people would have no reason to feel entitlement.

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         wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Disagree.  How far "ahead" has nothing to do with the lazy poor that won't work wanting their money or goods and while those that make a real effort to support themselves wish they had more, they don't generally feel entitled to something anyone else has.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years ago

   A one world government for some is a solution for the establishment of world peace. I don't know if Zelkiiro approves of a one world government, but I don't. Boundaries are a good thing. I don't know what barriers and divisions he could mean. They are never arbitrary.

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   alexsaez1983posted 10 years ago

   I have two degrees that were basically decorations for over 5 years thanks to your friend Bush and his horrendous economic screw-up. I had a job offer right out of college that was yanked at the last second because of the recession.  Up until recently, I worked in convenience stores, gas stations and call centers, despite being qualified for so much more. Had it not been for Canadian universal healthcare, I'd be a person with epilepsy completely screwed. If it weren't for Obamacare, no insurance company would take me because of my "pre-existing condition". But hey, you're cool with that, right? After all, can't have that evil "socialism" creep into the good ol' U.S. of A. Gotta let those heartless scumbags who run the insurance companies make their money in peace.
   
   Your idea that free healthcare for all is a handout for lazy people...that's just ignorant, snobbish and cold. You guys have this document, um..what was it called again? You might have heard of it? It says every American is entitled to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". Funny, entitled to life yet you'd rather leave 40 million uninsured to fend for themselves because they're "lazy" in your eyes. Do the math. Unemployment rate is around 8%. That means that only a fraction of these people are unemployed and looking for "handouts". The rest are working class or underemployed people that the conservatives don't care about. I'm sure if you were suddenly unemployed without health insurance, your holier-than-thou attitude would drop on a dime.

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      wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      About as cool with you paying for your own medical care as you are in requiring someone else to pay for what you want or need.

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         Disappearingheadposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Wilderness do you use roads in other states for which you did not pay? Do you use parks when visiting other cities that you did not pay for? Not sure if you have kids but if you do, would you expect their school education to be provided by the state funded by taxes?
         
         Why should healthcare, arguably more important than any of the above be somehow excluded from state provision funded by taxes?
         
         In my last job I paid approximately $8000 dollars a year for my state funded healthcare, state pension, and benefits should I ever lose my job. My employer put in an additional $8000 dollars on my behalf. It's called national insurance and is paid by all UK citizens earning above a minimum wage threshold and the amount paid is about 10%. Now hopefully I'll never need open heart surgery, treatment for cancer, or any other long term debilitating illness, but if I do I can rest assured that any medical treatment of any kind will be given to me completely free at the point of need. No medical insurance company trying to wriggle out of paying, no advance payments made by me that I have to claim back, no doctors denying treatment until an undertaking of payment is made. You see when you are ill the last thing you need is additional stress that you can't afford the healthcare you need.
         
         Interestingly, should you ever visit the UK and be taken ill, whether it be the flu or a brain haemorrhage, you too will receive all the healthcare you need completely free, no questions asked, paid for by the UK taxpayer. We wouldn't complain or begrudge you for receiving this, it would be a pleasure to show an American how a civilised society conducts itself.
         
         Now I might die a ripe old age never once requiring any hospital treatment, do I think 'oh no this is just too socialist, why have I paid out all this money to help all those sick people who need life preserving treatment? Oh calamity the sky is falling down!!!" No I'm grateful I'm not sick and that those less fortunate receive quality treatment for free irrespective of their ability to pay.
         
         Your healthcare system set up to meet the needs of greedy shareholders stinks to high heaven and is an affront to a civilised society.

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