Blogger Alan Caruba summarizes what is going on and warns us that this struggle is about so much more than so-called "health care reform"... it's a battle for the soul and the future of this great nation:
"The bribery and thuggish pressures and threats against Democrat Senators and Representatives to pass the bill reveal a political leadership more devoted to ideology than the will of the People. ... it is an example of naked Communism at work. It is a bill put together behind closed doors and so extensive its control of the lives of Americans literally determines who lives and who dies."
Obama, Pelosi and Reid know that ObamaCare can be stopped. That's why they are desperately issuing threats and cutting secret deals.
The current Bill(s) are like every other bill full of pork.
Instead of addressing the real issues and proposing legislation that could work, issue by issue. Not everything in the Health Bill is bad, but there are so many add ons that it's nearly unreadable. These add ins are not in the interest of the people, but are payoffs to special interests.
The "Lawmakers" on both sides use Bills purporting to address the will of the people as delivery vehicles for special interests.
All the time and energy is wasted or perverted for profit.
People WANT Health Care Reform. People do not want 2,000 page bills full of special interest payoffs.
The "hidden agenda" is never the will of the people.
i so agree...2010 is looking to bring about big changes for those whose seats are up...it's pretty exciting to watch the changes going on with the people waking up to what needs to be changed
Sparkling Jewel, I agree with your summation. I always find it interesting to measure campaign promises (Keep the public posted on C-Span) versus post-election reality (ongoing closed door meetings).
Elections this year will tell the real story, let's hope it has a happy ending.
well, I am not just hoping, I am doing as many things about it as I can...like, getting informed, talking to others and speaking up to government/politicians and those in the specific systems...citizens have been quiet for too long and allowed the ridiculous bloated government we have ended up with and the overreaching greedy corporations and their lobbyists to have too much control over decisions we, the citizenry pay for!
it really is absurd
I don't know if it can be stopped as the Republicans pulled off a similar coup with the Medicare reform back in 2003. Bill Frist rammed the bill down everyones throat then with last minute deals and a lot of arm twisting to make it happen. The drug companies lobby was so very strong and did well for their masters.
It makes no difference who the criminals...uh...politicians are, they serve their masters no matter the consequences for the people.
The immediate problem is the bill in congress the real problem is the "Slime on the Hill" and how to control them.
I will accept a fear of socialism from the actions in health care - but not communism.
And it is a debate about much more than health care - I do agree with you on that. There is thuggery in this Congress, just as there was thuggery under the Bushes and Reagan, when we dismantled the regulations that lead to the wholesale sellout of the American people in favor of Wall Street. The ridiculous belief that Wall Street and other CEOs would self regulate in the public interest was the most stupid belief I have ever thought possible.
I run my own business, I pay a lot of money for great health insurance, which I am guaranteed to have available because of the help of the Massachusetts program, and I pay my own way in the world.
We need to find a balance back to giving the American people power not the corporations and Wall Street. I'll take my chances with Obama. There is a crapload of stuff that I'm not happy with in the health care bill. But it's a start, a scary start, but a start in the direction I believe we need to go. Yes it will need to be changed, I'm in favor of some of the lawsuits that some states are filing. In the end it will work out, but it is an ugly start.
a lot of conservatives use the terms "socialism" and "communism" synonymously not knowing the more specific definitions (not sure I do, either )
...but my main focus was on the unconstitutional legalities and the bribery and closed door partisan deals...
so shameful...people are standing up and waving wildly to say "NO" to it...as they should, it has gone on for way too long, through too many administrations...
Um Timothy Geithner, that's all I have to say on the matter. Both parties have sold out the American people to big business. Both parties try to bribe voters with stolen tax money. There will be no meaningful reform unless we cut off the flow of money to the government and take back control of funding the government. Until that happens all politicians will treat the Republic like a giant piggybank and reward their drones for voting the "right" way.
I'm afraid both liberals and conservatives have a lot to agree on about disliking this current health care bill. It's nothing to be proud of.
And again it seems that thuggery and deals belong to everyone.
yes, and it needs to stop...who will if the citizens don't stand up and say "no" to it
Do you really think that there isn't a market failure in health care? There are people who can get NO coverage. How do you expect them to live without healthcare insurance? Is that okay in your belief system? In my belief system there has to be something for these people.
I wrote a hub on what the healthcare bill is all about , its pretty damned freaky , alot of it has nothing to do with healthcare really
one of my sons had to have an emergency appendectomy in high school...a local charity paid all but 1000 dollars of the entire bill...charities work good (when they are allowed to work and run honestly).
I have a discount card that takes 20% off everything in dental, vision, chiropractic, and pharmaceuticals...for only 20 dollars a month...
I think there is too much dependence on systems of government to be taken care of...there are some good things out there now...but who knows what may happen to them if this current bill passes.
I don't think I should have to pay for many things that I will never use and be punished and fined for it if I don't buy it...it's way out of line
I understand your fears.
I have it really good in Massachusetts right now as do many family members and friends. While you pay good money for a good private insurance policy, if you make over $30,000 a year as an individual. It can't be cancelled because you get sick or you can't be denied because of pre-existing conditions. And the policy is excellent. If you make under $30,000 a year per individual, it is heavily subsidized and your part of the public health care system Commonwealth Cares. And yes, everyone has to have health insurance. Most people I know have been really happy with the system. A part of me, like you, doesn't want anything to change.
I prefer that to charity, because if people don't like you or it's faith based and you don't believe, it might not work. But it seems you have it figured out for your needs and yes, it could cost you more money.
This fall I had an unexpected health issue, and within 3 weeks my medical bills totalled $28,000. Luckily it was dealt with quickly and wasn't cancer. The scary part is I felt so great. I exercise every day, don't smoke, barely drink, eat well, meditate, do yoga. But then I wasn't healthy. At least I could just concentrate on getting healthy and not trying to find funding for an operation.
I think you and I would both prefer a simpler more honest system than what has come out of Congress. As much as I believe in public health care, I was furious when I started to read the details.
wow, sorry about your recent health scare...there are so many factors that affect us, even spiritual ones (that would be a long discussion... )
glad things turned out ok believing in the power of consciousness...I do my best not to dwell of potentials of ill health, but I know I could apply for something to pay if it ever came to that.
Theres no question what Obama and the democrats are trying to do, seize power and control over this country and the people! This isn`t new, and the feds have been stealing power from t he people and the states since the civil war! What`s different now is how obvious it has become abd the consequences if Obama is successful, socialistic tyranny and the people have awakened to this which is why coakley will lose in MA today!
And sending another slimebag to Washington will just continue the cycle.
Then who do you propose to send? There are only 2 choices.
There is always a third choice - do not vote at all
If you think corruption is restricted just to two giant parties, think again
There are three but that can't happen because the people still think by voting the Democrat out they will have some say in the matters of state with the Republican candidate. Cattle they are, just cattle.
When you talk about a conservative perspective, you are talking solely about a US right wight perspective. No conservatives in other advanced countries oppose national health systems. They have read the stats. National health systems deliver better care than private nightmares and cost a fraction of the cash outlay.
Citizens can stop worrying about getting sick, employers can compete with foreign rivals who have far lower health costs and the only losers are US medical insurers and strange political extremists who believe decent health care for all is the end of the world.
Unfortunately nothing gets done in Washington until the payoffs and sweetheart deals are in place. Nationalized healthcare provides nothing for the slimebags and therefore is not something they want to see. Just look at all the wrangeling and bribery that has taken place so far and we still won't have a national system.
I am sorry to say it but the slimebags have recruited the electorate through their lies and deceit once again to screw us.
Isn't that funny an American talking about American politics, let me see if I can help you with this. WE DON'T CARE HOW YOU DO IT IN EUROPE, REALLY, WE DON'T! Have a nice day!
Say what? There are no American conservatives in other countries, this is not another country, we don't care how other countries operate, we don't live in those countries. This is the United States of America and we are not socialist, we have no king, we have no parliment. We are a representative republic and we are not being represented. We are being ignored and it amazes me that anyone, 'progressive' or otherwise wouldn't recognize that fact. The federal government does not know what's best for me and my family. I do. And while we're on the subject, conservatives do have plans to improve healthcare in this country if you actually cared to look. They just don't involve turning the entire process over to a government that's proven time and time again it can't run anything effectively or efficiently.
Thanks Texan, it's boy, and I will. Why in the hell do people continually want to drag America down to the level of some other country we've either bailed out of disaster or war or will soon be bailing out? I for one am an American, proud of it, will not apologize to anyone, anywhere for it and if any group, party or person doesn't like it, I'm not losing any sleep.
They do it because they ain't American, jealousy is a bitch!
They do it because they ain't American, jealousy is a bitch!
Dead on it. Funny how ya don't hear of any other major nation with illegal immigration problems do ya? Guess nobody's so eager to sneak into France for that 'Franciscan Dream' are they? People forget Haiti has trashed the US for the past 50 years as oppressors and imperialists and whatever. Who'd they call first? Anytime something gets out of hand on this planet, who do they call first? Hint: it ain't France, Germany, Britian, or any other nation with a socialistic form of government that so many progressives seem to think is the ideal.
You miss the point. If the states want to institute universal health care for th eir citizens, they may as was done in MA, but the feds do not have that authority and to allow them to impose their will on the people is a strike in the heart of the constitution and a blow to freedom! The feds are using this issue to concentrate their power and control the people and the sooner you progressives wake up and realize that freedom loving people aren`t going to stand for it the better!
I'm not sure what France would offer Haiti, advice on how to surrender maybe?
The new health care plan is same as UK and what Canada has and the people in those countries hate it U-tube has some videos on that very subject. I so believe Oboma, is a socialist and dont see him helping our country but hindering it.
well, things with the health care bill are morphing now because so many more people are waking up to the problems the 2000 page closed door bill was trying to push on the citizens.
I am heartened to hear that congress and president are getting at least some degree of the message of what Americans don't want and what they do want for healthcare reform.
let's pray their not still trying to dupe us into believing what they want us to believe and will still do what big pharma and big business, etc...want them to do
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