Darwin Timeline
HIMself? Does he have a penis?
Well, if he is he, he should have it, right?
Then how do you know it is he not she or not it?
Well, if he is a father, he just have to have at least one, may be even more
God's a She-Male. Who ya kiddin'?
Loved the line of questioning, Misha. God's an alien, but he seems mean enough (especially in the Old Testament!) to be most guy-like. Do you think women would have done such things to each other?
And before anyone goes nutball on the whole "God's an ET" thing, I'm not being literal. He didn't come from earth, he created the heavens, and by definition...he's an alien 'cause he's not an earthling.
Sarcastically yours,
GLM
I have a friend who has two daddys
I'm a science major. I shouldn't be commenting on this... or maybe I should...It is at least as valid as saying some non-human male super being with two penises created us even though the OP posted a pretty clear indication that we evolved from simpler organisms.
Just because you do not understand it - that will not make it magically go away. We evolved from simple organisms. Deal with it.
I don't really care what your fairy tale says. If you want to take it literally that is your business but don't expect everyone else to just throw away their knowledge and understanding.
Try reading a few science books. You might learn something.There is no such place as hell, and I am pretty sure your fairy tale doesn't mention anything about going to hell for acquiring scientific knowledge.
The earth wasn't created through science. Science is a tool to help explain how it came about and where we came from.
Oddly enough - you seem quite happy using a scientific "creation" to spread your rubbish. Or are computers exempt from a trip to hell?
Having said that - if heaven is full of people who believe what you do, I am pretty sure I wouldn't want to go anyway.
And I do give a rats. Which is why I am spending a few minutes trying to help you get an education.
I do not need saving.
"everything was created through creation"? Seriously - how about a few English lessons while you are brushing up on your science?
And let's face it - you think that we didn't evolve from simple organisms - If you cannot grasp this simple scientific theory and dismiss the mountains of evidence - just exactly what value do you think your opinion on anything has?
Whoa whoa people! Basically... there are different religions right? No person's religion (or lack of religion) is deemed right or wrong. This is the Science Forum. So we're talking about evolution, archaebacteria, simpler organisms, etc. Knock it off with the religion talk. And I said we evolved from "simpler" organisms not "simple". The brain has changed throughout the years... that is evolving from a "simpler organism". The "origin" of where we came from, like initially, I haven't studied enough to voice my opinion. But that article was interesting. And I've said my piece... back to organic chemistry homework.
- Leta Sposted 14 years ago
0The Jehovah's were just here knocking on my front door. 2 nice little gray-haired ladies who gave me literature.
I always say thank you and take it. Sometimes I tell them I grew up Catholic. That doesn't always work, though. These particular ladies, I think, could tell just by looking at me that I am a sinner, so didn't spend much time with me.I give them a hard time for destroying the planet printing all that junk mail
If I have time, I let them know the good news
I answer the door naked
I certainly don't intend on a holy war
I simply pose information. But I agree that there are many fantastic scientists that are Christians as well as many other religions. I've found that scientific information, especially in quantum physics, had helped to expand my belief in God. I always come in peace, so if anything I say ever sounds rigid or angry please forgive me for not being more concise in my wording.Thanks! I get a dose of laughter everyday with my newsprint.
Ah, and sorry I missed your question John.
In the sense that life is a miracle, I've been open to religion all my life. At the end of the day, however, I tend to think more in terms of Mark.
But considering that scientists have found a region of our brain that can induce a "religious" experience, what came first...the chicken or the egg?
I try to maintain a child-like innocence. I was that kid that everyone hated...always asking who, what, where, when, why. But now that I've become adapt and have grown to explain the drive for me to do this, I can now ask more direct questions.
So...I guess what I'm trying to say is..it fascinates me how religion has shaped our world, my life, and those all around us. Is there something after we die? I don't know, and unless the skitzo guy on the corner near my house is the second coming (no, I'm not lying, we call him The Preacher.) I'm not going to bother to find out until I'm laid to rest.
But I try to establish everyday a better grasp on my life, and how I'm affecting myself and those around me. I try to encourage, to learn, to share. Because if there is a pearly gate, at least I know I'll have a good rapport card.
And on a completely divergent note...
Anyone know where Colebabie lives?
Oh, and one more thing. Someone asked about how something could become nothing. Don't you find it odd, that in the end, both the scientific community and the religious one believe that we just "came" to be? A worshiper may accept God as always being here, and to always be here.
But what is always here? Our perceptions, our interactions, and our emotions. If you want to truly understand how "something" can come from "nothing," then write a poem. Where did it come from?
And honestly, try looking at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjsgoXvnStY
Its the craziest 12 minutes I've ever enjoyed. More to the point, to quote my paper "The Universe and Humanity," what scientists believe happened started out something like this:
"Consider that at one time in the universe, in a time before time, all that we know today existed only as a minute mass of energy and one super force. In an explosion not ever seen before it exploded outwards and sperated the Universe into strong and weak nuclear forces, gravity, and electromagnitism.
Elements began to form and evolve, until stars initiated nuclear forces and ignited, burning brightly for eons and then exploding. We are all on this earth comprised of carbon. All of us, from the tiniest microbes to the largest of whales. As many have noted before, we're all made of elements that have once been part of star cores, asteroids, planets."
To know how this works is to get into quantum theory. And I don't pretend to be readily intelligent enough to regurgitate all of it back to you, but I've done my best.
Quantum theory is really fun, though. And its methods of madness accurately describe how I've come to think and be.
Sincerely,
GLM
Scientists do not pretend to have it all figured out. Science is about disproving postulated theories. Plus - Evolution and the big bang are two entirely different theories.
But I do not see how you can even think about denying the evidence for evolution. Clearly this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the bible is not literally true. And presumably as far as you are concerned - that there is no god. Too bad. Sorry.
Energy can be converted into matter -
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_a … 0724a.html
But seriously - what are you doing attacking a scientific theory on the basis that it is incomplete when you have absolutely zero evidence of a god?
You guys are really entertaining. "I don't believe evolution because there is not enough evidence - so I will believe something with absolutely no evidence instead."
Why not say "OK evolution happened - but god did it"?
...why? Evidence to the contrary, perhaps? My position is coherent with modern scientific thought, which by nature, requires internal consistency and simplicity. Believe what you believe but don't dismiss something scientifically coherent because you think it's "ridiculous."
Lita, sweet Glad you found it interesting. Medieval Jewish thought is the only/most compelling aspect of religion/theology for me.This is all in good fun and discourse. But please allow me to see if I can't try to better help you see my point of view. That way, maybe if we both work hard at agreeing to disagree when appropriate we can gain each others perspectives and realize we ultimately all have the same values.
That said, I will never (and can never) claim to be right or wrong. And only I can give you the power to cause myself to lash back out at you, and vice versa. In short, I've no intention of trying to impress, address, oppress, or depress.
More to the heart of the matter, it has been said that many scientists try to disprove creationism. This is indeed true, but as I pointed out earlier, there have been many scientists who are devout followers of religion and God.
The problem is people become offended and pissed off, feel as if they need to fear for their own opinion and try to put themselves on a higher pedestal than those around them. Personally, I don't understand this logic. And maybe that is actually one of my problems.
I can come off snarky and sardonic, but I laugh mostly at that reflection in the mirror. And to my credit, I'm a card carrying member of the Hugs Not Drugs campaign.
Some scientists confuse it for religion. By the same token, some people of religious ferocity try to validate their beliefs and have to try and make their Word of God coherent with what scientists say about the earth and the universe. Here's looking at you, ID.
However, what has a person of either order gained? A narrow perspective.
How we have come to be and why is the question of you, me, and the we. I is plural.
Who it is that we are trying to love, follow, and worship is a question for the me. I can't tell you, you can't tell I.
We both could assume, we both could discuss who it may be. But call me agnostic---I'll follow my heart, spirit, and mind. I'll try to live my life to the fullest every day, and help stem the tide of negativity where I can.
No matter where we end up tomorrow, we're all here together today.
Sorry if I'm so freaking philosophical. I had lunch with Confucius, where we discussed what it was like raising baby Jesus. Then we went golfing withy Moses, only to be dragged to a gnarly party by the Wiccans.
With love, sarcasm, and purity
GLMIt has been said? By whom? You?
This is not true at all. You cannot prove or disprove creationism until you provide some evidence of a creator. Of which there is none.
This is also untrue. Some religionists assume that because they have a faith based belief - everyone else uses irrational reasoning to come to a decision. Science is not about a faith based belief - no matter how many times you say it is.
Not going to argue with you here. But using faith based beliefs to attempt to postulate an unprovable, untestable theory is ridiculous. Belief in a god is not science and never will be. Neither will ID.
Sorry - I only ever hear this as an argument from believers. If you reject the idea of a god - you are narrow minded
You might want to look up the difference between a scientific theory and a faith based belief.
How we have come to be is what science is attempting to answer. Why? Is an unanswerable question - unless you make a leap of faith that there must be a reason and a purpose. Narrow minded thinking ? Oh yes. I think therefore I must have a purpose. Your purpose is to propagate the species.
Sorry - this is a science forum. Unless you have a testable theory, loving following and worshiping have no place here.
Me too. But what does this have to do with Darwin's theory and the current available knowledge?
OK
Sorry to be so literal - but also - what does this have to do with the fact that we evolved?Again, hitting the nail in the head my friend. There is one universal reason we have all come to exist, whether its behind the face of religion or backed up by the plain truth of science.
Spoken like a true man of science, and I understand. My point was--it doesn't matter "who" it is that we're trying to emulate or become. What is religion or morality? A guiding system that in some respects is the basis of at the very least, America.
However, don't get me wrong. I'm all for a seperation of Church and State. I just happen to believe, however, that this clause as we know it is probably more meaningful if we assume they just didn't want us to have a State sponsored religion. You know, like how...the Pilgrims were affectively forced out of England for disagreeing with the Church?
Whether I'm a believer or not, I feel its not within anyones right to disallow irrational thinking...so long as it harms no living thing, anyway.
Yeah, sorry. I'm just trying to respond to an earlier post. Darwinian theory or not, I'm trying to discover a grand unified theory of better communication among the species. Wasn't that why Neanderthal man eventually died off? Because while they did communicate, they didn't do it among their tribes as well as we did?
OK
Again, just responding to an earlier post.
Very interesting. lol Please take this in good fun & discourse.
Are you Buddha? Maybe your "ID" is kind of typically Southern Cal, lol, I don't know? (That's a joke.)
FYI-I straddle both perspectives and neither here--am interested in theology/ideas like Calebd suggested for their own sake...Your points are valid ones, seriously, I think--although individuality/ID was also "a part of God's plan," and/or certainly a part of evolution.
Question for ya: Do you think negativity can sometimes serve as much purpose as positive energy?ID was for "Intelligent Design," and good joke. I'm laughing on the inside.
I think you're right in assuming our need for individuality is a very sacred and useful tool for giving us all a reason to continue to wake up each day. Whether its by a benign creator, or some quirk of genetic off shoot is really beside the point..I think, anyway.
Negative energy and positive energies are all of the same cloth. Energy is energy, it cannot be created or destroyed. What is negative, though? And what is positive?
Would you call it negative that you screamed at an alcoholic friend and tried to get them into AA?
Or would it be more positive to allow them to continue their addictions?
Thanks for engaging me, and yes, this is all fun discourse.
- Leta Sposted 14 years ago0
Good job on the quoting the quoting. I will not try and do the same as we will end up with enormous posts, but I will quote one section:
I don't think I can close myself off in the way you mean. I see no reason whatsoever to imagine that there is a conscious afterlife. None. No more so than I see any reason to believe in Santa Claus. I prefer to accept that this is it and make the most of it. So I do not see this as being in any way narrow minded or closing myself off.
To me - imagining that there is something better (as most seem to think that the afterlife is somehow better than this life) after I die would be to waste the time I have here.
If I get it wrong - I am sure I will be accepted into this afterlife. Seeing as most of the people most of the time have not believed the jesus myth, that would be an awful lot of people automatically denied this wonderful afterlife either by accident of birth or simple common sense. Doesn't sound like an omnipotent god in charge to me. So I just apply the same question I apply to every piece of information I come across. Does that make sense to me? Nope.
We are animals. Thinking animals admittedly, but I am inclined to think that that is an accident of nature and we will soon destroy ourselves and be replaced by whatever comes out of the mess we make of things and almost certainly will not be anything like us. Nature does not repeat her mistakes. Just as we mammals replaced the dinosaurs as the dominant species.
In the mean time I remain fascinated at the way nature works and see clearly how Darwin first postulated his ideas. I watched a TV program this evening - an Antelope escaped a pack of dingos by jumping into a lake. Doesn't take much to see that if that happened often enough, evolution would begin to favor antelopes that swam well.Go RK!
Hah Sorry I've not posted a response. Mark...I completely identify with you, thanks for describing your mind. I get you, brother. And I like your way of thinking and our abilities to set each other's views aside and communicate valid points.
Lita: I posit that I know everything, because in the end, I know nothing. I play with all possibilities, drawing as much information and emotional rhetoric I can from as many people as I can get to know. I maim to please. I merely question, section, subdue. Always take me with two grains of salt and wash me down with a good dose of wtf.
However, I think I hijacked this thread. I'm sorry, don't beat me. Because of this, I shall not continue on...if you do want to, however, have your peeps get to my peeps.
And for a good laugh: http://www.grimmy.com/comics.php (check 4/6/09)
Sincerely,
GLM
- Leta Sposted 14 years ago0
GLM-
Wow. Look what you did to Mark. Long paragraphs, even,. Your grand theory of communication. Check that.
What I meant with the 'ID' business is that you seem to be interested in breaking down identities as far as communication--which obviously I understand and to some degree feel does work. However, I'd question the necessity of it in all cases and perhaps suggest the keeping of identities and respecting of identities while agreeing or disagreeing may be more constructive communication, lol, in our species at this point.
Also, I don't know that one can posit themselves as so enlightened in everything,. Which you >may< be doing with your very assumptions here. (I don't even do that!! lol)
Other than that--you add a refreshing perspective to hubpages.LOL
If someone makes a point worth responding to in a reasonable fashion, I can do long sentences.
If they just stop by to tell me I am going to hell for believing in evolution - they get the short version .........
I've added you as a fan, and you've become a fan of mine. Figure it out.
And besides, who needs peeps when we've got the internets and HubPages? And again, sorry for laying this thread to rest...RKHenry, or Mark Knowles for that matter, can probably get it back on track. And I can, too.
So...
What of Darwin, his theory, and the timeline?
Anyone ever heard of the Piltdown(spelling right?) man?
I bow out, for I've not much to ask on this subject...but I shall be reading this thread if it remains interesting.
Here's looking at you!
GLMI wouldn't answer the door for you even if you were disguised as Ed McMahon
Hmm after I spoke of nudity and being a 21 year old college girl, your responses got nicer and less complex
And read my hubs before you criticize my sense of humor. Don't feel bad, I don't. I'm content to not be one of the few "chosen," if that means I'm not among you. Someone else jump in now. I really should be studying Way to spell it out, Cole. Good luck with your work.
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