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Is Carbon Dioxide a pollutant?

  1. jackclee lm profile image73
    jackclee lmposted 7 months ago

    The EPA has been regulating emissions for quite some times. It is mandated with protecting our environment like water and air...
    Lately, it had put much resources and emphasis on climate change.
    The question becomes is CO2 a pollutant gas and does the EPA have any jurisdiction on its regulation?
    The answer to that question may surprise most people.

    1. Credence2 profile image83
      Credence2posted 7 months agoin reply to this

      It is my opinion that the Earth's biosphere is unique and fragile. Any man made activity thatposes a danger, like the ozone crisis of a few years back can have adverse effects regarding life on Earth. To have a profligate and resistant attitude, like hunting a species mindlessly and selfishly to its extinction is at the heart of Conservative type thinking. The sort we can carelessly use and abuse because there will always be more? While I do not qualify as an engineer of any sort in these matters, common sense says that it is stupid to take a cavalier attitude about such things, the ramifications of being profligate and wasteful having yet to be fully appreciated or understood.

      We also know that CO2 at elevated levels in the atmospheric mix can be an asphyxiant. Even oxygen,what  is it they said about oxygen ' too much will make you high, too little, you die'? The point I make is balance, the current balance works fine, lets not tamper with things unnecessarily, for even a sparrow is smart enough not to fowl its own nest.

      1. jackclee lm profile image73
        jackclee lmposted 7 months agoin reply to this

        I'll have to disagree on your perception of conservatives. I don't know where you get the idea that conservatives are not for preserving our environment. We belive thst God gave man dominion over the earth and that includes taking care of the animals and the land...and air...
        After all, we live here just as everyone one including liberals...
        With regard to CO2 and climate change, that is also where we disagree. God gave us fossil fuels because it is the most efficient form of energy. It is cheap and easy to transport and allow many people around the world to improve their living standards.
        It is arrogant for some humans to believe we can control the climate when it us complicated and vast.

        1. Credence2 profile image83
          Credence2posted 7 months agoin reply to this

          It is a free country and we are going to disagree.

          First of all what has God has to do with it? This is your God based on YOUR interpretation of scripture. My God says to me that we are stewards of the Earth and woe to those that 'hurt it'.

          My grandmother used coal to heat her house, we don't generally today

          I lived in The Inland Empire, east of Los Angeles during the seventies and the air pollution was horrendous. Thanks to the EPA, which the conservatives seem to hold in derision, the area has finally been witness to blue skies again.

          Use is not abuse. God also gave us brains to evolve and improve. If many of the developing societies like China and India wanted American style standards of living the pressure on global natural resources would be intolerable. Can we rid the world of dependence uponfossil fuels which really is technology of the past and move toward the future overnight? No. But, what makes me a liberal is that I recognize that we need to be going in this direction toward cleaner energy sources and sources without a prospect of being depleted in the forseeable future as the energy demands of the world continues to increase. Not accepting the status quo as a given.

          I am still looking at biomass forms and the elusive nuclear fusion which seems to ALWaYS remain 'just around the corner'

          1. jackclee lm profile image73
            jackclee lmposted 7 months agoin reply to this

            That's the difference between liberals and conservative. We believe in proven technologies and not wishful thinking like solar and renewables. Without the subsidies, those technologies will not be competitive for a very long time. I do believe we are talking about the same God. Who created the heaven and the earth and all the animals and plants to us... conservatives does not believe in waste and abuse no more than liberals. We just don't think the EPA has the mandate to shut down coal plants due to climate change.

            1. jackclee lm profile image73
              jackclee lmposted 7 months agoin reply to this

              credence2, I noticed you have not answered my original question. What do you think about CO2? Is it a pollutant or not?

              1. wilderness profile image94
                wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                CO2 is a waste product of the human body.  Regardless of how other organisms might like it (plants love CO2, for instance), for our purposes it pollutes our environment just like any waste produce we produce.

                1. jackclee lm profile image73
                  jackclee lmposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                  CO2 is not a pollutant. It is part of the Carbon cycle for life on earth. A more potent greenhouse gas is water vapor and Methane. The whole fossil fuel debate has been politicized by the environmental green party. CO2 has little to do with the environment. We can protect our air and water without cutting out fossil fuel as a cheap source of energy.

                  1. wilderness profile image94
                    wildernessposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                    So is feces (a part of the cycle of life on earth).  But put it into a stream, or anywhere else it can come into contact with people, and it's instantly a pollutant...to humans.  To the bacteria that live in it, not so much. 

                    The ubiquitous plastic in our lives is great...until it is waste, whereupon it's a pollutant.  The tin can holding our food is wonderful...until it's waste, whereupon it's a pollutant.  The point is that anything we consider "waste" is a pollutant to us, and that includes CO2.

              2. Credence2 profile image83
                Credence2posted 7 months agoin reply to this

                I qualify the answer, it CAN be a pollutant if it is found in excess quantity in our atmosphere beyond its current trace amount.

                1. jackclee lm profile image73
                  jackclee lmposted 7 months agoin reply to this

                  You do realize you and I and all animals exhale CO2.

                  1. Credence2 profile image83
                    Credence2posted 7 months agoin reply to this

                    Of course, Jacklee, that is basic biology. But you miss my point and Wilderness touched on it, too many waste products in the environment constitutes pollution. That is CO2, human wastes etc., we produce those as well, but would you have a problem safely living in a cesspool? The balance works to sustain life here on Earth and we need to adhere to it closely. Ever been to Venus? Most of its atmosphere is CO2.We can see there what CO2 does as a greenhouse gas. So this gas in excess is anything but harmless.

  2. jackclee lm profile image73
    jackclee lmposted 7 months ago

    Just for background reference -
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide

  3. jackclee lm profile image73
    jackclee lmposted 7 months ago

    Here are some other greenhouse gases -
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas

  4. colorfulone profile image89
    colorfuloneposted 7 months ago

    NF3 is on the rise from all those solar panels the EPA wanted to reduce CO2. 

    1,057 percent increase in US annual emissions of NF3 from 1990 to 2015 compares to an increase of 5.6 percent in carbon dioxide.
    * http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/01/solar … -than-co2/

    Turns out NF3 is 17,200 times more potent than CO2 as a greenhouse gas.  Oops!  ... (More truth bombs will be coming out, I'm sure...sure are a lot of them lately.) 

    Incompetence? I'm not so sure.  I do now that when Trump won the election the heads of the EPA were scared.

 
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