What do you think lies hidden in the Vatican archives?

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   Healthyannieposted 10 years ago

   What do you think lies hidden in the Vatican archives?
   
   Researchers keep find interesting new information in the Vatican archives? Do you think the Vatican is "hiding or kepping" information from the general public? Do you think there are secrets kept in the Vatican archives that they don't want us to know about?

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   JThomp42posted 10 years ago

   No, to the contrary. There are so many treasures and proof of Christianity in the Vatican than one could ever imagine.

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      Rod Marsdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Sure, okay. Proof of Christianity. What if some of this proof contradicts past papal beliefs even past papal bulls?

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      Radical Rogposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Further to Rod again. Proof of Christianity! Then why withhold it? Or is it that this information contradicts their version of Christianity. Ie, Jesus taught using parables, giving information and allowing the listener to judge.

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      Healthyannieposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      What proof of Christianity (Catholicism) has ever been produced by the Vatican? The Holy Trinity is not their idea, it existed thousands of years before the Catholic Church or the Vatican See. I don't think there is even a record of Jesus birth.

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      Rod Marsdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      You got it Radical Rog. If proof of Christianity contradicts the Catholic version then it would be suppressed.

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   MickSposted 10 years ago

   No, that's just conspracy theory nonsense.  There are lots of valuables and old books that were deemed not suitable for the population to have accesss.

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      Rod Marsdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      So why are these books not suitable for the population to have access to? The books themselves need not leave the Vatican but certainly what they contain could be put on computer and thus enter general population.

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      Radical Rogposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Further to Rod, who deems these as not suitable for people to read and why? Also, what right to they have to withhold this information?

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      MickSposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The church fathers, in their grasping to hold power made the decision that they were not suitable.  In medievel times ther were no computers to download to and then  spred to the population, everything was printted, or have you never heard of books.

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      Healthyannieposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Should not these books be made public? Are they not part of our human heritage? If Jesus lived, and if the amazing story of his life can be proven, should we not all be allowed to share in it?

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      MickSposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Yep, Healthyannie, all those books should, and probably are these days, most were banned because they questioned 'common knowledge' of the time, Christianity, and the power of the church. That is an oversimplification that I have no want to research.

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      Rod Marsdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      My point Radical Rog. I'm no censor. I'd like to see these books to see what the fuss is all about. Mick S. these are no longer Medieval times.

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      MickSposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      It matters not, they were ammassed in the medieval times, we can probably now get copies of those books through the internet. The point of the question is what the Vatican ammassed, through its history.

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      Rod Marsdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Then why use the word hidden? And why ask if we think there is still stuff they are keeping from the public?

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      MickSposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Oh dear, this is becoming so tedious, you seem to want to blow this simple question out of all proportion into a full blown debate, this ain't the forum. An archaic institution has old archives, so what?

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       Rod Marsdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       It is an institution still in operation. It may have present day secrets it doesn't want brought out into the open.  In fact I am damn sure that it does.

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   Rod Marsdenposted 10 years ago

   Not every new order or form of Christianity that came to be was accepted by the Catholic Church. This was true even before the Protestant revolution. There was a group that believed that women should run their spiritual lives and that men should run their lives here on earth. The women were referred to as Marthas. Anyway, one of these Marthas wrote. I wouldn't be surprised if one of her writings ended up in the Vatican under lock and key.
   
   Also I suspect there to be letters to the Pope from Martin Luther that we, the general public, don't know about and are never to know about. Also cartoon style woodcut send-ups of the Pope done by Luther supporters. Propaganda went both ways. There were send-ups of Luther but they were okay.
   
   After the development of the telescope the Vatican belief in the Heavens being perfect as they say perfection came under fire. There were indents on the moon. We now know them to be craters. Also the belief that the earth is at the center of the universe and that everything in the sky revolves around the earth was being challenged. We know about Galileo. Do we have access to all of his writings or are some still hidden from us? And were there others? Have their works also been hidden from us?
   
   No conspiracy theory nonsense as far as Galileo is concerned. You can drop that angle right now. We know he was forced to recant his findings and he was put under house arrest for the rest of his life. He may have known more about the stars in the sky than any other man in his day and he was silenced so we'll never really know how true that was.
   
   During the bonfire of the vanities paintings may have been sent to the Vatican for a decision on whether to burn or leave be. If so they may still be under lock and key in the Vatican.

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      Healthyannieposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I believe there is a lot of information hidden in the Vatican which would cause quite a stir if it ever came to the surface. Let's face it - this is one of the richest nations on earth and the Vatican has done well out of the religious trade.

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      Rod Marsdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I agree Healthyannie.

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   lumen2lightposted 10 years ago

   Whatever is hidden within the Vatican archives will remain hidden.
   
   Everyone has secrets, and usually, the reason why they are secrets is because you do not want anyone to know the truth. The same can be said of the information in the Vatican archives, but with the scale of these secrets and how long they have been secret, they need to stay that way.
   
   There are obviously lots of information on the atrocities of the catholic history and probably a lot of information that could undermine the catholic religion itself.
   
   But after all these years, and because of the current standing of the catholic religion in the world stage, releasing information that would seriously undermine the influence of the catholic religion or worse, possibly destroy the religion altogether would have very serious consequences on everyone’s lives, irrelevant of religious belief.
   
   It is difficult for the human race to live in harmony with each other as it is, to provide proof that any one religion is the only true religion, is a false religion, or not what people believe it to be would create worldwide anarchy, war and self-destruction.
   
   We can speculate, we can write stories, we can make movies about it, but as for the truth to what is within the Vatican archives; we are not ready to accept it.

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      Healthyannieposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I think that we have a right to know - it is part of all our heritage. I accept that the Vatican are reluctant to release information. What I would really like to know is why the Vatican is sponsoring an excavation in the Valley of the Nobels Egypt?

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      lumen2lightposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      We all have a ‘right’ to know, the question is; does everyone want or need to know?
      
      Every question asked, or answer given creates a reaction.
      
      Answers have consequences; who has the ‘right’ to impose such consequences on others?

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      Healthyannieposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting  . . . I don't think any organisation has the right to suppress the truth, especially extremely powerful organisations. It is a bit like not knowing the side effects of a medication you have been prescribed by a doctor.

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      Rod Marsdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I would like to know how much the Vatican has gotten in the way of scientific discovery. I wouldn't say the library just contains stuff from Medieval times either. The death of one fairly recent pope...mysterious.

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   Ambrosia Juradoposted 5 years ago

   ABSOLUTELY THEY ARE! Besides the SMITHSONIAN, only the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH has ever swooped upon information and artifacts and buries them deep in their basements, boxes, and vaults not ever open to the public; I'm sure they'd say for our own protection. But who asked them to decide anything for us anyway? I don't remember THAT election, nor congressional hearing. Hmm

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