Are their differences between liberty and freedom?

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   tsmogposted 7 years ago

   Are their differences between liberty and freedom?

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   The0NatureBoyposted 7 years ago

   My answer is yes.
   
   Free or freedom means one is so disciplined by experiences teachings that they know when to indulge and obtain for a results that causes the least harm to anything or one. Example: a nomad is hungry and sees tomatoes growing in a garden, the law of freedom say he has the right to obtain food enough to satisfy an appetite.
   
   Liberty is when one takes an action they KNOW will harm others but do it anyway. Example: the U.S. Government takes away the liberties the agreement between the governed and governors gives it the authority to do by governing in opposition to the U.S. Constitution. See my hub "The U.S. Constitution's Spirit" for details.

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   Ericdierkerposted 7 years ago

   Thanks Tim, I really like this question. Inspiring some research, refreshing of knowledge and contemplation.
   I understand the somewhat Jeffersonian notions here and combine them with Plato's Republic and then doing the pledge of allegiance at school with my son today.
   Freedom is mostly about not being made to do something. Liberty is the twin brother of being able to do something. The allegiance is cool because it says "liberty and justice for all" reminding us that our liberty and freedom rely on a nation of laws and not men.
   Our constitution gives us both. My mind is, and excuse me but this is from law school, of the accord that that which is not specifically and fully restricted we are free to do.
   When I gave speeches in Vietnam around the turn of the century my focus was on the very new right to fail. Around these parts we just assume that. It is not the case everywhere - where there maybe debtors prisons.
   Our freedom from oppressive laws is the bally-wick and gavel that gives us liberty and equality under God and the Law.
   With all that said Lincoln is quoted as saying that the greatest freedom  is obedience to the law.
   Above all, for me, is the liberty to do and the freedom from oppression that allows me to marry who I want, worship my God, say my piece if civilized and to have children who are free. The rest is just gravy.

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   bradmasterOCcalposted 7 years ago

   There is no pragmatic difference between the two. Both mean free. We say the US is the land of liberty, and our constitution talks about freedom.
   
   Life liberty and pursuit of happiness. It makes for great speeches, but it is hardly ever obtained. Every single law, and regulation is written against someones freedom or liberty..
   
   Once you go from academia to real life, the concept of liberty and freedom are meaningless.
   
   And justice for all is nearly impossible.
   Do you believe that "All Men Are Created Equal"? First, that phrase really meant Men and not Mankind. For ex. Women were not allowed to vote, and they were treated like chattel. Even Men didn't include black men.
   
   My point is to make any valid answer, we need to have a reference to apply it to.

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      Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      This is a Wittgenstein argument carried to a rational state of words having no meaning. Bowsma and Bertrand Russel tried this notion and came back to the rational. Back to Plato. Contextualism must find an accord with rationalism lest meaning be los

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Eric
      These are dead people that don't live in this century. I don't know what is your point, but it doesn't resonate with mine, as I have never read the works of these people.

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      Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Simple Brad. If you say there is no difference between two words you live in a vacuum without the ability to differentiate. Much like a Catholic that confuses sin and sinful. Great thinkers who are dead are not considered on this memorial day week?

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Eric
      Now you are just being a liberal. Once you go from academia to real life, the concept of liberty and freedom are meaningless.

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      The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      bradmasterOCcal, I have to agree with Eric as my post shows although I often use them interchangeably I know the difference.

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