We are / are not guinea pigs.

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  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
    Kathryn L Hillposted 14 months ago

    We need to reveal the scientific facts of Covid 19 vaccines / "vaccines" safety.

    We also need to reveal the negative effects of any of the various types of Covid 19 vaccines.

    1. Nathanville profile image91
      Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      I’m a little surprised you don’t have the information in the USA!

      Way back in January 2020, from before the pandemic was declared, the British TV News Media were giving the facts as they evolved, warts and all; so there is no excuse for British people to be ignorant, which is perhaps why the uptake for the covid vaccines in the UK has been the highest in the world!

      On the NHS website, and on Wikipedia, for each vaccine, is a detailed list of ingredients that is used to make the vaccines; and with a little bit of scientific knowledge, and understanding what the ingredients are, it’s plain to see there is nothing mysterious about the vaccines, nor anything that should cause any real harm.

      The safety of the vaccines is constantly being monitored, and any anomalies recorded on ‘central registers’.   If you ignore the conspiracy theorist the only two approved covid vaccines that have caused any concerns are the British ‘AstraZeneca Oxford University’ vaccine, and the American J&J vaccine; both because there has been accusations made by politicians (and not scientists) of (unproven) possible links between these two vaccines and blood clots.  In the case of the AstraZeneca Oxford University’ vaccine, it was EU politicians who used the excuse of potential blood clots to ban the use of the British vaccine across the EU in preference to their own Pfizer vaccine!

      In the UK just under 90% of the adult population have now been vaccinated; with the majority having had the ‘AstraZeneca Oxford University’ vaccine.

      The evidence is circumstantial in that the number of incidents of blood clots for people who have had the vaccine is no higher than blood clots naturally occurring in the wider community; and the incident is very low (less than 1 in a million) and therefore no reason not to take the vaccine, especially when the risk of blood clots from getting covid is ten times greater than naturally occurs in the wider community.

      For example:  As of 8th April 2021, in the UK there were 19 deaths due to blood clots from the 24.6 million people who at that time had been vaccinated in the UK with the A-Z Oxford University vaccine; less than a 1 in a million chance.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image74
        Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2 … strictions

        Not a couple protester, more like over 100,000 protesters.

        1. Nathanville profile image91
          Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          What’s your point Castlepaloma, with almost 90% of the adult population having been vaccinated in the UK there are no longer any restrictions in the UK; social distancing and mask wearing were abolished in the UK on the 19th July e.g. life in the UK has now returned to normal.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image74
            Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            The WHO and nationalism leader keep going back and forth on masks, which has been nonsense from the start. We all have to were a mask here and we have way less covid cases.

            Some restrictions lessen because it's summer time outdoors. Still globally covid deaths have doubled in half the time as I said would happen all along from vaccines. Wait till cold weather hits again. The media don't publish a the stories of the vaccines unheard and unseen side effects videos online
            Or the vaccines UK mutations stain bought on to Tropical countries. I know my biological studies, its not about covid. It's  about genocide of over population, and wealthy controling of power.
            Of course it will fail.

            1. Nathanville profile image91
              Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              Yep I know that across the world, where the vaccine rollout has been slow or non-existent that covid is still raging.  But here in the UK 89% of adults have been vaccinated, and consequently there is no longer a need to wear masks or social distance in the UK as people are no longer dying in their thousands from covid, as they did prior to the vaccination rollout. 

              Perhaps if more people got vaccinated in Canada (where you live) then covid would become less deadly in Canada as it has in the UK, and as like in the UK there would then no longer be a need to wear masks.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image74
                Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                I might feel safe if the vaccines roll out of the covid deaths were at par pace as usual. Since the covid deaths are at double in the slowest season for covid. One would have to totally ignore the facts of high increase and far worst to come according also to Kill Gates and Faucism.

                1. Nathanville profile image91
                  Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  The Delta variant, which is now the dominant variant across most the world is far more contagious than any previous variant, and thus far more deadly; hence the dramatic increase in covid deaths around the world, especially considering that the vaccine rollout has been slow in most countries e.g. it stalling in the USA due to the high level of vaccine hesitancy in America.

                  But, in the UK, where 89% of adults have been vaccinated, the death from covid has dropped to a 30th of what it was prior to the vaccine rollout.  Proof that the vaccination program can work if enough people are willing to be vaccinated.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image74
                    Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    WHO says Delta variant not more deadly, which unvaccinated carry more so. Is that not good new?

      2. Live to Learn profile image75
        Live to Learnposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        I’m not surprised by the number of vaccinated in Briton but the American mindset is geared toward a healthy distrust of government so, government websites sharing data with the public, for us, has to be coupled with independent and unbiased sources to corroborate the information. Such sources are, sadly, lacking in our hyper political and polarized atmosphere at the moment.

        I took the vaccine without worrying about possible one in a hundred thousand side effects mostly because of my age and my perception of the benefit to society, as a whole. I don’t begrudge anyone who chooses a different course. Americans, unlike many other societies, are fiercely independent.

        1. Nathanville profile image91
          Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          Thanks for the clarification on the American mind-set ‘Live to Learn’.  Likewise, there is a mistrust of Government (Authority) in the UK, except perhaps a fundamental difference being that in the UK ‘key’ Government Departments, such as the ONS (Office of National Statistics) and the Electoral Commission etc., are ‘Independent’ of the Government, and only answerable to Parliament; thus making them apolitical and preventing Governments from using them for ‘political gain’, therefore giving them ‘public trust’.

          Yeah, I know that Americans are fiercely independent, my wife and I have recently been watching the American TV series, ‘Homestead Rescue’, and that is very revealing on how fiercely independent Americans are.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image74
            Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            Who is best to trust and your best Doctor in the world.?
            Me
            I only hope that for the majority would experience this also. Yet majority rather be deeply programed and sheepish to wealthy businesses men and their puppets masters.

            1. Nathanville profile image91
              Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              Castlepaloma, notwithstanding that life style and diet does have a BIG impact on health, I’m not a medical expert and besides there are certain ‘life threatening’ medical conditions that have little to do with life style and diet that can be fatal if orthodox medical treatment is not sought e.g. I would be dead now if I took your advice.

              I can’t speak for the USA or Canada Medial Healthcare System, but here in the UK the NHS (National Health Service) medical advice and treatment is 2nd to none; and the NHS doctors in the UK are not money orientated e.g. they put the interests of the patient first and foremost.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image74
                Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                My 107 year old medicine doctor that occasionally has sex in Belize, is who I follow. Not nationalism or leading cause of death the mainstream medical profession.

                My doctor thinks more people will die from the vaccines because they are messed up cocktail of toxic ingredients which killed all the tested animals . Where people must detox their bodies for healthy and longer life.
                About 78% of covid deaths are people of  over obese. They are already 94% over toxicity and 6% of covid deaths certificate are purely from covid virus.
                Vaccine passport have  totally kill my big business and heavily Isolation from love ones and mostly my international work. They say you better get vaccinated if you want to work.
                That is not good enough and unconstitutional and against international law.

                Relationships effect harm our immune systems more than food. Plus all the globe fear effects the immune system even more. I also can't sell my superfood in my market right now.

                This is treason and criminal.

                1. Nathanville profile image91
                  Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  You can follow whom you like, that’s your prerogative; but I shall stick with the NHS as they do save lives.  Your doctor’s message that the covid vaccines were tested on and killed animals is pure lies, and I’m you’re not so ignorant as to not know so; just as your claims that only 6% of deaths attributed to covid is actually covid deaths is also misinformation.

                  FYI it’s not the whole world imposing vaccine passports, Canada might be, but FYI vaccine passports are not being used in the UK or the EU; instead, on this side of the pond, we’re using covid passports e.g. either proof of vaccination or a negative covid test within 48 hours of travel.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image74
                    Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    Your right Claim: All animals used in Covid-19 vaccine trials died months later from immune disorders, sepsis and/or cardiac failure.

                    So the animals didn't die directly from the vaccines. Much like human didn't die from the 94% of two or more other health conditions other than covid. Make sense for tyrannical systems.

                    No wonder humans and livestock have killed off 96% of the world's land wildlife that lives today.

                2. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  one wonders if the autism rate will ...

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image74
                    Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    With tin war hats.
                    The thoughts can't expand.

    2. Nathanville profile image91
      Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      FYI:  NHS website on the subject of vaccine side effects, and below, screen dump from the UK Government website:-

      https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavir … e-effects/

      https://hubstatic.com/15661935.jpg

      1. Castlepaloma profile image74
        Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57755733

        UK is in the highest raise in covid cases since last January. Wait til UK hits your dark winter. Riots are incredibly increase always.

        1. Nathanville profile image91
          Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          Yeah, with the highly infectious Delta variant, and with all restrictions having now been lifted in the UK e.g. the social distancing and mask wearing laws were abolished on the 19th July, one would expect covid cases to rise significantly.  The difference is, is that with 90% of the UK adult population having been vaccinated, the link between infection and hospitalisation has been broken, so increased infections is no longer leading to high death tolls.  Thus, since the 19th July, when all restrictions were lifted, life in the UK is returning to normal.

          As regards winter; FYI, the UK Government and NHS are prepared to give everyone over the age of 50 a booster vaccine shot from September, if required.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image74
            Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            That should make them superhuman, shots shots shots.

    3. peterstreep profile image79
      peterstreepposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      it's very simple Kathryn.
      Just look at the numbers of people who died before people they were vaccinated and look at the numbers after people are vaccinated.

      In Spain, there were 500 people dying every day in January 2021. In May thanks to the vaccination less than 50 people died a day because of Covid. And this trend is dropping. That's a huge improvement.

      And it's not only saving lives, thanks to the vaccine people get their lives back, and can do their work again.

      1. Nathanville profile image91
        Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        Yep, the same picture in the UK too; thanks to a successful vaccine rollout over here, people are getting their lives back.

      2. Castlepaloma profile image74
        Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        That's pure propaganda, by politic tricks or by numbers of global covid deaths under 2 million total deaths end of 2020 til july 2021 4 mil. 2 covid deaths. Since the vaccine roll out of January 2021.

        1. Nathanville profile image91
          Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          Sorry Castlepaloma but you are mixing metaphors, so to speak. 

          Increase in death tolls around the world is due to the Delta variant, a far more infectious and deadly variant than previous, coupled with the fact that the vaccine rollout out has been slow or non-existent in most countries across the world.

          What Peterstreep and I are talking about is the significant reduced death rates in countries like Spain and the UK where the vaccine rollout has been widespread and successful e.g. high level of vaccination in a country breaking the link between infection and death.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image74
            Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            I'm sorry, to use the word genius for brain washers.
            That would implies they use natural measures.
            The record for protesting lockdowns is UK. Maybe you don't get out much.

            1. Nathanville profile image91
              Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              Castlepaloma, au contraire, as I and others have pointed out to you previously, your claims for these protests are grossly inflated (like a fisherman telling you how big the fish that got away was), and your assertion that the world’s worst anti-lockdown protests have been in London is an outright lie.

              FYI, the UK is one of the few countries in the world where life has returned to normal, free from any restrictions because almost 90% of adults have now been vaccinated in the UK, so hospitalisations and deaths from covid in the UK are now at a low level; a 30th of what it was, and falling.

        2. peterstreep profile image79
          peterstreepposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          talking about global numbers makes no sense as you well know. Most of the so-called "3rd world" is without vaccination.
          You have to look at it per country.
          Vaccination helps to reduce the deaths.

          Of course, there can be a whole discussion about disaster capitalism, surveillance capitalism, politics,  and the growth of cooperations like Amazon during the lockdown etc. but that's a different discussion.
          Also, a different discussion is about where we are going as a society with vaccination passports etc.
          (and it's probably a much more interesting discussion)

          But that's not the thread. The question here was simple. Does the vaccine work yes or no. And the answer is pretty simple Yes.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image74
            Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            The world would say no. Because its 80% of the collective consciousness of the people change things, not the over corrupt state, bankers and leading cause of deaths the medical profession.

            Look at the leading vaccines Uk that's rise of covid cases since January roll out. Compared to Sweden no mask and lockdowns to covid cases.

            https://youtu.be/5DkWcbPPw18

            1. peterstreep profile image79
              peterstreepposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              I probably do agree on a lot of things with you Paloma. Here in Spain for example it was obligatory to wear a mask outside until recently...
              Even as there are hardly any cases know from infections being caught outside.
              It's difficult to say why one country was hit harder than another country. There are a lot of things at play. Social behaviour is one thing. In Sweden people are not so tactile, in Spain, everybody kisses each other by greeting. Eating together at the weekend in closed spaces (because it's too hot....etc.)
              It's difficult to compare. Countries like the UK, the Netherlands and the US were hit hard too as they were late in taking measures that could harm the economy. (in other words, more thinking about politics than about the people they represent..)
              There are a lot of reasons why the things went as they did, also the laws are in every country different.
              But that's all politics and highly debatable.
              The anti-vaccination people here in Spain are both from the left and the right. Not trusting the science. The Big Pharma stories etc.
              And I do agree on this completely, the whole rush to get a vaccine through, the huge profits that are made by the companies who made the vaccines. It's one big nasty political game connected with money.
              But, this does not take away that, as in all times of crisis science can make big leaps. And in this case developed new ways to cure, making use of RNA. I think this is something amazing and will only grow and be more understood. (the future will be about AI and bio-engineering...)
              Are we guinea pigs? Yes, we are. but I'm positive and optimistic in the progress of science. (not in humanity and I wonder if and how we will survive the Climate Crash)
              So yes, I do support vaccination, because it's an amazing new way of curing things.
              And on the practical side also because of the vaccination, you can travel again and play concerts, organize exhibitions and workshops.
              Live opens up again, without the vaccination 2021 would be another lost year.

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
                Kathryn L Hillposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                There is no proof vaccinations help. What if we were not given vaccinations?
                Would it be the same as far as results and data? Probably.
                We'll never know.

                1. Nathanville profile image91
                  Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  There’s plenty of proof that the vaccines work; without vaccination there was a strong link between infection, hospitalisation and death, which was predictable e.g. the higher the infection rate the higher the death rate.

                  However, in the UK, since 89% of adults have now been vaccinated that link has been broken e.g. infection rates have sky rocketed because of the Delta variant, and because the UK have abolished all restrictions (so that life can return to normal); however, in spite of the dramatic increase in infections, there has been no corresponding increase in hospitalisations and deaths in the UK e.g. the vaccines are working to save lives (as intended).

              2. Castlepaloma profile image74
                Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                Fear has taken over the truth. Ten years ago, I studied the collapse of monotary systems worldwide. It brough me to nightmares of which are unfolding today. Now having dreams of a wonderful world in a few years from now. All dreams have come true.
                Just living the dream, not the American dream.


                Hardly anyone will examine the monetary currency systems as the source of the problem. This also will be revealed in a few years. The covid was a tool of distraction.

              3. Nathanville profile image91
                Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                Yep, the Pharmaceutical Companies and certain countries are out to make big income (profits) from the vaccines; that goes without saying e.g. Moderna (USA) at about $27 per shot is the most expensive covid vaccine in the world, quite naturally because they are primarily interested in the profits; being an American Company, I guess no surprise there.  China and Russia are keen to export their vaccines around the world to earn valuable foreign exchange income for themselves (Exports), and to court political favour in smaller countries around the world, in preference to those small countries looking to the USA for help!

                However, for the vaccine developed in the UK, AstraZeneca are under contract with Oxford University to sell the covid vaccine at cost (for altruistic reasons); hence why the AstraZeneca/Oxford University vaccine at only $4 per shot is the cheapest in world.

            2. Nathanville profile image91
              Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              Yeah, Castlepaloma, because of the Delta variant, and because the UK have now abolished all restrictions (so that life can return to normal) infections have sky rocketed.  However, the point which you refuse to accept (because it would shatter your theorist) is that in spite of a dramatic increase in the infection rate, hospitalisations and deaths have not risen accordingly, and remain low; because 89% of the UK adult population are vaccinated, and thus have a high degree of protection from serious illness and death from the virus.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image74
                Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                We will just keep watching it yo yo and it going all over the map.  Sweden has no deaths and they have no lockdown and hardly any masks.

                1. Nathanville profile image91
                  Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  Yep, cause and effect; except you have it twisted e.g. for as long as infections and deaths are kept low in a country, such as South Korea, then there is no need for lockdowns; but as soon as the infection rates and deaths rise dramatically then steps such as lockdowns have to be imposed; otherwise you end up like Brazil and India e.g. high rates of covid deaths don't follow lockdowns, as you make out; lockdowns follow high rates of covid deaths.

                  Your statement that Sweden has no covid deaths is a lie; FYI at the height of the pandemic covid deaths peaked at around a 100 a day, which for a small country of just 10 million isn't good; and now they are down to 1 or 2 deaths a day, thanks to the vaccine rollout.

                  Besides if you look at the data per capita, then Sweden hasn't done that well:  Per Capita Sweden is the 39th worse country for covid deaths; and because they didn't lockdown the death toll amongst the elderly in Sweden is one of the highest percentage for any country in the world.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image74
                    Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    If Sweden is 39th out of 240 countries in the world is very good. Its the same for other countries with no lockdown and little masks. Let the immune system do it's practice.
                    Sweden  is good in europe.

                    I was comparing Sweden with European countries death. It is in the better half and it is much better than UK overall and today.

                    Sweden Aug 2nd no deaths and average death one a week.

                    I think half full for no lockdowns, wail you think half empty

                    https://www.statista.com/statistics/111 … y-country/

                  2. Castlepaloma profile image74
                    Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this
                2. tsmog profile image78
                  tsmogposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  Sweden deaths are 14,620!

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image74
                    Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    UK deaths are 130,000.
                    Alot more Covid deaths per capita than Sweeeden.

              2. Castlepaloma profile image74
                Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                Ran out of word space.

                Nathan , you stated along with some others. That UK is the most vaccined country in the world greater than Israel.
                It turn out India per million for Covid deaths. Is much better than Israel and UK, on an over all based and last week bases.

                https://www.statista.com/statistics/110 … habitants/

                1. Nathanville profile image91
                  Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  Yeah, if you believe the official Indian Government figures; anyone who has been following the news knows that the official figures for covid deaths in India are grossly underestimated, by at least half if not a fifth.

                  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ … ing-deaths

                  Also, look at Brazil, where little has been done to stop the pandemic; their death toll (pro rata) is five times higher than Israel and UK. 

                  You can pick and choose different countries from the stats to try to prove any point you wish; but it still doesn’t detract from the fact that vaccines work e.g. the world over, the people dying from covid are not the vaccinated, it’s the unvaccinated; a very clear and strong message that the vaccines works.

                  That's why in the UK the laws on social distancing and mask wearing were abolished on the 19th July, and why the UK Government ended the lockdown on 23rd June.

                  So the people in the UK now have what you have been arguing for e.g. freedom and normality.  So I don't know why you are trying to rubbish the UK for doing the very thing that you've always wanted to see happen e.g. no need to wear masks, no social distancing rules, and no lockdowns.  The UK has achieved it through an extensive vaccination programme where 90% of the adult population are now vaccinated.


                  Arthur

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image74
                    Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    Well, 85% worldwide are not fully vaccinated. It's against our constitution in Canada to force anything into anyones body. The corrupted is going to loose the propreganda war in the long run.

                    Generally people know deep down.
                    Even by the corrupted system of worldwide yearly Covid morality total of 0.005
                    Will not match
                    Cardiovascular diseases (CVDs) are the leading cause of death globally. An estimated 17.9 million people died from CVDs in 2019, representing 32% of all global deaths. Of these deaths.
                    Cancer is growing faster than heart disease. Debate if it's bigger.

                    Spanish flu mortality death were 5.26 for there time. That is a pandemic, not a Covid propreganda campaign for the wealthy.

  2. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
    Kathryn L Hillposted 14 months ago

    Not an easy task. How come?

    1. Castlepaloma profile image74
      Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      People have been deeply programed since kindergarten on how to think and act.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
        Kathryn L Hillposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        I agree.

  3. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
    Kathryn L Hillposted 14 months ago

    The data is not readily available.

                        That's how come.

  4. hard sun profile image80
    hard sunposted 14 months ago

    https://www.kcrw.com/news/shows/press-p … eden-covid

    "It does suggest that it's worth evaluating how each country responded to the pandemic, and trying to understand why Sweden wasn't quite as bad as we maybe could have predicted.”

    You think? If Sweden's approach does not make people second guess the lockdown strategy, then nothing would.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image74
      Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      Fear wins over the truth.

      I had some vaxxers really ridiculous riding me and calling also these world largest protester in history against covid, lockdowns and vaccines. All wolves in sheep clothing.

      My respond was
      My agenda and constitutional right is to choose what goes into my body and nothing is better than freedom. If that is a free wolf? glad to be a wolf rather than a chained up sheep dog or sheep. Wolves travel second most land mass to humans on earth. Wolves are very social creatures like humans. Problem is,... I perfer to eat vegetables, so not to pray on meat animals. For meat carriers most diseases like bats covid and livestock pollution is greater than Gas and oil.

      No, that is not correct , vaxxers are much more like sheep.

      Vaxxers sheep and sheep dogs an vaxxers wolves dress like sheep like Government, kill Gates, tech giants and big Pharma who feed their sheep anything from Bullshit to toxic cocktail shot vaccines. Their sheep choice of freedom is what color of jelly bean they put into their body. Or free donuts, beer, and free ice-cream for their little sheep in exchange for more vaccines . No wonder the vast majority die of obesity with covid.

      Sheep don't want freedom, they want their master to tell them what to do and what to think. Sheep will follow their lead sheep into Volcano or pile up a 100 ft. High off a cliff.

      Vaxxers could be little chickens also, who see the sky falling, if not every chicken is not vaccined. They hire foxes to guard their hen house

      1. hard sun profile image80
        hard sunposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        "Sheep don't want freedom, they want their master to tell them what to do and what to think. Sheep will follow their lead sheep into Volcano or pile up a 100 ft. High off a cliff."

        I had a close family member who is very pro COVID vaccine and mitigation measures tell me that she simply refused to believe that the CDC, FDA, WHO, could be either wrong or deliberately deceptive about the COVID matter. This same person fully understands how much these same organizations have lied to us about things like marijuana yet it scares her to no end that they may be doing the same thing with COVID. Fear creates sheep walking into a volcano. Ironic.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image74
          Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          Marijuana locked up had more people than all the violence crimes combined for 90 years in Canada.

          I'm total opposite that cannabis is the most useful, diverse and important plant on earth. Makes you wonder how many other total opposite thing were written in history.

  5. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
    Kathryn L Hillposted 14 months ago

    ... the malnourished, those with poor hygiene, those who eat junk food, drink alcohol and  take drugs ...
    They are the causes of cases.

    1. Nathanville profile image91
      Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      If you have an underlying illness, such as diabetes, asthma or are obese then yes, you are at higher risk of dying from covid; and likewise, the older you are, the higher the risk you are of dying of covid.

      However, covid can kill anyone of any age, including young fit and healthy children; so no one is immune from covid; albeit only 6% of the covid fatality is in young, fit, healthy people with no underlining illnesses.

      https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/h … g-24686409

      Also, the illness ‘Long Covid is less discriminatory and affects people of all ages, it affects about 1 in 20 to 1 in 45 of people who have symptoms of covid including children; a friend of ours had it, and it’s not pleasant.

      What is long COVID?  https://youtu.be/VDNCFCXg3Vg

      1. Castlepaloma profile image74
        Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        The the real source of mass phychosis and Covid maddnesd is the not in the biological physical state. Yet in minds of  mass phychosis of the puppet master greed.  Posted a mass phychosis best explained.

        1. Nathanville profile image91
          Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          If you lived in a country that has been ravaged by covid you'll know how real and physical it is; and how deadly it can be.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image74
            Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            My country die of Covid a little less than half of UK per capita.

            My family and larger  half on the Mexican side plus all friends. Only one assume death by Covid was a sister in-law in Mexico. That turned out to be false. Same for 78% obese Covid death certificates who were 94% probably 2 or more other health condition that kill themselves.

            Even if I wildly favorite Covid deaths by 1% of the world's population. About 50% of my entire family have died of heart disease and 32% of the entire world. Not counting top ten other greater killiers according to the WHO.

            Have a real hard time feeling sorry with weak obese and overly toxic people led by even much greater toxic doctors and politicains who sponsor by pharmaceutical and medical error and very wealthy business men.

            I rather cry beuro-crock tears for televangelist souls than for nationalism and their bullies.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
              Kathryn L Hillposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              Protect Yourself/Loved ones:
              lay off the white sugar/flour, alcohol, drugs, cigarettes 
              eat vegetables
              rice and grains
              less meat
              more sleep
              more rest
              more happiness in doing your own thing
              less pressure
              less over-working
              less stress


              This pandemic created by a biological weapon is an urgent excuse to fast, cleanse and work on your immune system.
              Not a time to add more toxins which may have no way to get out and may create unknown detrimental effects in the future. These toxins may play havoc with the natural systems of your body which were designed to ward off invading microbes.
              Yes, it takes a lot of consistent motivation and discipline. The results will be health and will be much more beneficial than if you add all the toxins which are contained in these vaccines.

              https://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vk/vaccine-ingredients

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHGv4CsmVEY

              1. Castlepaloma profile image74
                Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                Kathryn
                I may think your crazy for giving your soul up for Yahweh.

                Yet think generally you have a good heart and brain.

              2. Nathanville profile image91
                Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                Yep, good sound advice on health and life style, which I follow anyway e.g.

                •    We have a low sugar and salt diet, don’t take drugs and don’t indulge in alcohol.
                •    I am a vegetarian, and therefore eat plenty of fresh fruit and veg; growing our own veg organically in our back garden.
                •    I am retired, so I get plenty of sleep and rest, and lead a leisurely, stress free life, doing just the things I enjoy.

                Nevertheless:-

                1.    At my age, even though I am fit and healthy, I am at high risk of serious illness or death from covid; so I would be foolish not to be vaccinated.

                2.    Not to vaccinate would be selfish, as it would put others at risk:  the pandemic is not a personal thing, it’s a social thing; we are all in this together.

                3.    If you read, and fully understood, the list of ingredients in the vaccines, then you’d understand that they, in the quantity they are, are not toxins as claimed by anti-vaxxers; I have an advantage in appreciating the ingredients in context because I did ‘human biology’ at college; but the text below the list on ingredients in the link you gave does give a full and detailed explanation on how harmless the ingredients are in plain English.

                4.    Besides, as with the UK (where 90% of the adult population are vaccinated), if enough people are vaccinated then the immunity that gives to society does enable society to return to normal life; as has happened in the UK through a successful vaccination program.

            2. Nathanville profile image91
              Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              Yep, Castlepaloma, I know you are heartless; but it doesn’t alter the fact that I’ve seen first-hand the devastation and heartbreak covid causes; so your callous and ignorant comments based on anti-vaxxer conspiracy theories are an insult to me. 

              Besides, it’s not just the obese and those with diabetes who are at high risk of death from covid; people with asthma and other natural health conditions are also high risk.

              Also, older people are at higher risk because of their age; no one can help being old, but your attitude is that you have no sympathy for them either.

              Plus, no one is immune from dying from covid anyway; young healthy and fit people, and children, do also die of covid; about 6% of all covid deaths are people who are young, fit and healthy. 

              Plus, the long covid illness, which is a nasty illness, inflicts between 1 in 20 and 1 in 45 of people who show symptoms of covid; and long covid is an illness that inflicts the young and healthy just as much as it inflicts older and less healthy people.

              The point is, vaccines work, and they save lives; so although if you refuse to take the vaccine yourself you may put you and others around you at risk, to try to discourage others from taking the vaccines by the lies and fake news that you spout is immoral as you are deliberately putting other people’s lives at risk.

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
                Kathryn L Hillposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                I know someone, an anti-vaxxer, who has covid 19/variant. She is doing all she can to help her body clear it out of her system. She is taking supplements, amping up vitamin C and resting from work.
                She is doing other (all natural) things, as well. Recovery is taking a while and she is tired, after seven or eight days now, of feeling crappy. I told her to make a journal of all she is going through. She is 37.
                I'll continue with her recovery, as it occurs.

                1. Nathanville profile image91
                  Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  Feeling crappy for 7 or 8 days, she will have reached a pivotal point where it will go in one of three directions:-

                  1.  She will get seriously ill and end up in hospital; possibly fighting for her life.
                  2.  She's over the worst of it, and will start feeling better, or
                  3.  She'll contract the illness known as 'long covid'; which can be very unpleasant.

                  The NHS have been running trials since the beginning of the year on the impact of vitamin 'D' e.g. previous research would suggest that people lacking vitamin D were at higher risk of becoming seriously ill with covid.

                  The link below (from Dec 2020) is of the NHS vitamin trials, just before the trials were due to start.

                  https://www.hra.nhs.uk/planning-and-imp … -covid-19/

              2. Castlepaloma profile image74
                Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                Wow, not been called heartless before.

                Love my natural materials art work for most waking hours of my life, takes compassion. Last 15 years dedicated my life to health food and medicines. Made a series of eco tiny houses affordable to 90% of the population, takes compassion.

                Mainly self taught education has been very creative and motivational for millions worldwide, takes compassion. No need for papers or gold stars from centralized authorities corrupted systems.

                Not ever my intention to hurt. If one is insulted is because truth can hurt. I don't allow myself to be insulted, just make the adjustment for truth and be happy, try it.

                Would not hire a doctor who felt sympathy for me. Can accept ampathy, still not good enough. Want my doctor with compassion and detachable love, and 107 years of living well is proof enough and have.

                Nobody in my circle I've cause a health risk only enhance them. As far as loose Morales that can get too religious or one-sided. Prefer ethics and creative. Now we are talking encircling the globe in business.

  6. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
    Kathryn L Hillposted 14 months ago

    China news:

    "Mao pin badges worn by two Chinese gold medalists at their medal ceremony — risks being judged a breach of Olympic Charter Rule 50, which prohibits political statements on the podium at the Tokyo Games — and at the upcoming 2022 Beijing Winter Games.

    After winning the women’s sprint in track cycling Monday, Bao Shanju and Zhong Tianshi wore pin badges of Mao. The communist leader who proclaimed the founding of the People’s Republic of China in 1949 remains an iconic figure in China 45 years after his death in 1976." LA Times

    ULP

  7. Charles Emerenwa profile image82
    Charles Emerenwaposted 14 months ago

    It is good to have solid facts about the vaccine on hand and also the side affects that might result from taking it. This might be more relevant to individuals, who may have certain health complications that might respond adversely to certain types of vaccine administered. But then, we are also confronted with the fact that there are numerous 'brands' of vaccines rolled out in the market that are derived from various method of exposures. So, how are we able to ascertain which is compatible and will not cause harm?

    There is no concrete evidence yet on the tangible effects each different types of vaccine may have on the human body and whether combining different brands will have any life-threatening consequences. However, I did come across a publication covering the findings of researchers in Spain that recipients of mixed types of vaccines showed potent immune response to the virus. The UK even did a trial using the same strategy in May this year, but results were yet to be published. Here's the link for further reading on the study - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01359-3

    Coming back to the question on the need to have access to the information on the vaccines side effects, having it on hand will help us to make informed decisions whether to opt for the jab or to request for a specific type. It offers comfort of knowing based on scientific backings that it might be much more 'safer' for us select one over the other. 

    Some may not see the relevance especially the government because it is their sole mission now to get more people immunized, better yet the entire population. It is a logical move on the part of the government because this is the only solution that humanity have at this point of time. Although there might be a small possibility of casualties due to adverse side effects from the vaccine, it still is a worthwhile initiative given the great number of lives herd immunization could potentially save. We are basically faced with the choice of making a decision for the common good or for our own good.

    1. Nathanville profile image91
      Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      I wait with interest in the publication of the UK trials on the effects and benefits of mixing different covid vaccines, which you referenced.

      I’m also keenly waiting for the publication of the Covid-19 Human Challenge Trials that started in the UK in January; the only country in the world to conduct ‘human challenge trials’ with covid.  FYI, ‘Human Challenge Trials’ is where young healthy people volunteer and get paid to be deliberately infected with a disease as a controlled way of studying it; see link below:-

      https://www.uhs.nhs.uk/ClinicalResearch … teers.aspx

    2. Castlepaloma profile image74
      Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      My good sense tell me since the vaccines roll has doubled the speed of Covid deaths, during the slowest summer months. Can't wait for all the worst dark winter months for vaxxers to hit the floor and butt plugs fall out.

      1. Nathanville profile image91
        Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        You are talking nonsense:  In countries where the vaccine rollout is at an advanced stage e.g. the UK, the death toll is a 10th of what it was, It's in countries where the vaccine rollout is slow or non existence where covid deaths are raging.

        Besides, worldwide, its the unvaccinated who are dying from covid, not the vaccinated; so your theory that the covid vaccines causes more deaths doesn't hold water.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image74
          Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          No proof of unvaccined people are dieing of Delta variant. That is all made up because there is no place to be tested for Delta variant. It's a series of lies from your masters and owners and paid shut up slaves. As lives continue to raise of Covid deaths, they will continue to blame on Covid, not their plandemic.

          1. Nathanville profile image91
            Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            Castlepaloma, you are so wrong; in the UK when people die of covid we know whether they've been vaccinated or not; and in the UK people infected with covid are screened to determine which variant they have.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image74
              Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              Most doctors don't test for delta variant, they guess at it. To drive the fear into unvaccinated people.


              https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/healt … d98fff83fe

              1. Nathanville profile image91
                Nathanvilleposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                Castlepaloma, that’s where your ignorance shows:-

                FYI the UK is a world leader in covid Genome sequencing:-

                •    The UK does around 23% of the entire world’s genome sequencing on covid, to identify the variant; the USA lags behind, with 42 other countries worldwide that does more covid Genome sequencing than the USA.

                •    As of July 2021 the UK have Genome sequenced more than 600,000 tests.

                Quoting from the first link below “Genomic sequencing is a key part of surge testing in the UK as it enables scientists to continue to identify variants of concern”

                https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-e … -sequenced

                https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-u- … 1612011601

                1. Castlepaloma profile image74
                  Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  I will give you credit where you do confront me as a unvaccined person. Where the vast majority of vaccined people totally ignore me. This is discrimation and unconstitutional for humans protection of their own bodies. Works well for tyrannical propreganda killing machine.

                  Please be civil your an academic not a first hand experienced world class in a few area and worldly with millions of fan. Ignorance I don't call you, please do not call me.

                  I said before, some odd lad tests have been done.
                  If only 600,000 delta variant case report spanning 23% of the earth, that is nowhere close to billions of population or near 1%.
                  Now assumed authorities are claiming 99% people with delta variant Covid are unvaccined humans.
                  That is beyond doctors guessing that's world championship lying.

                  1. Nathanville profile image91
                    Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Sorry Castlepaloma, but you do lack understanding:-

                    1.    The UK have done 23% of the world’s Genome testing, 600,000 tests the UK has done is just 23% of the total tests done in the world.  Therefore, the total number of tests in the world, done up until July is about 2.6 million tests.

                    2.    In your closing argument you infer that the tests would only be valid if the entire world population were to be tested?  To quote you, you said “….that is nowhere close to billions of population or [even] near 1%”.  If you had any scientific understanding you would know that the only people need testing to see which variant of covid they have are the people infected with covid, not the entire world.  In other words it’s from the 200 million who have been infected with covid that Genome testing needs to be done, not the entire world population as you seem to think.

                    3.    If you had any understanding of how statistics are done you would know and understand that 2% sampling is a valid and well tried and tested methodology in obtaining accurate data.

                    As of 6th August, based on extensive sampling worldwide, the percentage of covid cases with the Delta variant per country, for the 10 highest levels of Delta variant, in order of dominance is as follows:-

                    •    UK = 99.8% of new cases are the Delta variant.
                    •    Singapore = 99.6% of new cases are the Delta variant.
                    •    Russia = 98.4% of new cases are the Delta variant.
                    •    Denmark = 97.4% of new cases are the Delta variant.
                    •    Germany = 94.6% of new cases are the Delta variant.
                    •    USA = 91.4% of new cases are the Delta variant.
                    •    South Africa = 90.9% of new cases are the Delta variant.
                    •    Mexico = 83.8% of new cases are the Delta variant.
                    •    Japan = 74.9% of new cases are the Delta variant.
                    •    France = 69.6% of new cases are the Delta variant.

                    Therefore, although no every single person in the UK who is infected by covid is tested to see which variant they have; of the tens of thousands that are tested 99.8% of them are currently showing to have the Delta variant; you don’t need to be a brain surgeon to understand that.

  8. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
    Kathryn L Hillposted 13 months ago

    lets face it, Castle, they are probably right and the vaccine is the best way to get to herd immunity.
    if you really want to be a part of THAT herd.
    Lol!

    1. Castlepaloma profile image74
      Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Moo moo haha..,. moooahh ah ha ha,.., MOOO HA HAHA MOOO HHAA

      Just like the MADD cow disease.

  9. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
    Kathryn L Hillposted 13 months ago

    I would rather die of Covid than have long term suffering due to any of those vaccines. I would rather isolate myself happily with my 2 adorable dogs and immerse myself in my art projects rather than live amongst and deal with Covid 19/variant shedders. I will even stop listening to the news and meditate longer to get beyond this physical plane. I may even have to stop allowing friends and family to enter my premises. I am one of the lucky ones who can live as a secluded monk. I feel sorry for those who cannot. I'll come out when the coast is clear. Hopefully that will be in my lifetime.

    1. Nathanville profile image91
      Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      I’m pleased to have had the vaccine; all my family and friends, and everyone we know, have now had the vaccine; and none of them have add any serious side effects (long term suffering from vaccines is just a myth spread by the anti-vaxxers group).  In fact, having the vaccines has given us a new freedom that we haven’t had in over 16 months.

      For 16 months of the pandemic I, my wife and our son, all shielded e.g. never going out, and we even had the food delivered to our door.

      During that time, a close friend of ours, and the whole of his family, caught covid with the disastrous result that the wife suffered from the ‘long covid’ illness, and her mother died from covid.  Since then, after many months of suffering from ‘long covid’ the wife made a slow recovery and they’ve all since been fully vaccinated.  They are holding a ‘house warming’ party next month, of which we have been invited; but interestingly, they are not permitting anyone to their BBQ who has not been fully vaccinated.

      The point is.  Now that we, and 90% of the British Adult population, have been vaccinated, we do now have a new found freedom; we no longer need to shield from society, we can re-join it and socialise again e.g. go to restaurants, and pubs, travel on holiday (staycations) and visit tourist attractions – In other words, ‘Live Again’, and be ‘Free’ again.

      Since we’ve joined the herd of the vaccinated in the UK, allowing the Government to end all restrictions, we’ve been out to restaurants a good half dozen times, on several day trips and a week’s holiday (staycation) in Essex, England last month, with another week’s holiday planned in Kent, England for September.

      So by joining the vaccination herd, we are now living normal free lives again, just as we did prior to the pandemic; and its refreshing.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image74
        Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Covid is a nasty flu that just got started,  noway of knowledge and direction anyone knows where it  going with vaccines in the long run. Tell me how wonderful the vaccines after a 100 years like the flu vaccines. Just like the flu vaccines, I don't take it and I don't get the flu.

        1. Nathanville profile image91
          Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Yeah, 1.2 billion people (15.4%) of the world population are now fully vaccinated; and as the evidence shows, any harmful side effects from the vaccines are so infinitesimal small it’s not worth the worry; whereas the risk from death or serious long term illness from covid if you are not vaccinated is real.

          1,000 toxins, which are banned across the world, are deliberately used in foods in the USA to enhance flavour, taste and preservation.   Those toxins, which are regularly being consumed by Americans, do cause long term health issues in Americans.  Whereas, the ingredients in the vaccines are naturally occurring ingredients in nature, and naturally found in the human body, and are in such small quantities in the vaccines as to be totally safe. 

          •    Common American Foods That Are Banned In Other Countries:  https://youtu.be/j7dp7cwnnPg

          •    Europe BANS American Cancer Causing Apples: https://youtu.be/oEh1IbOKRBo

          In fact if you are familiar with science, and you look at the list of ingredients used in the vaccines you’ll quickly release that the fancy scientific names for the ingredients are just of normal harmless ingredients that goes up to create a sugar/salt (saline) solution simply because the body can absorb food better when it’s in a salty solution than just plain water; simple biology.

          List of components (ingredients) of the Oxford University vaccine is as follows:-

          1.    The vaccine itself is a genetically modified (GMO) human embryonic kidney cell, hidden inside a dead cell of the chimpanzee flu virus (Trojan horse); designed to stimulate an immune response against the Covid-19 virus.

          This differs from the Pfizer & Moderna vaccines as those two vaccines are artificially created RNA (DNA) coding made in the LAB. 

          FYI the Russian vaccine is also a GMO product (like the Oxford vaccine) rather than artificial RNA (DNA) coding manufactured in a LAB.

          2.    L-Histidine (amino acid) e.g. one of the main building blocks of life.

          3.    L-Histidine hydrochloride monohydrate (amino acids)

          4.    Magnesium chloride hexahydrate (a form of salt)

          5.    Polysorbate 80 (a synthetic compound made for use in food, cosmetics and medicine).

          6.    Ethanol (alcohol)

          7.    Sucrose (sugar)

          8.    Sodium chloride (salt)

          9.    Disodium edetate dehydrate (a form of salt)

          10.    Water.


          FYI.  Last year was the first time ever that I had the flu vaccine; and like you I’ve never had flu.  But what you don’t appreciate is that never having had flu has given you a false sense of security.  You are getting older and your immune system does become less effective with age; plus there is always a first time e.g. like me, you may never have had the flu, but that doesn’t mean that you’ll never get the flu.  Plus, another consideration is that the covid virus is far more infectious than the flu virus, so even if you’ve never had the flu doesn’t mean that you’ll not get covid.  Also, although you may have a good immune system because of your lifestyle and diet, it’s no guarantee of protection e.g. 6% of covid deaths are from healthy young people with good immune systems.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image74
            Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Still my Health and medcines comes from naturalpath doctors of over 100 years old as living proof and factual examples. Harvard has very good research also. Not from pharmaceutical billionaires who hold countries for ransoms for vaccines. They don't make these record profits from keeping us healthy.

            You say I don't have a clue about science. Biology, or history and science. Contrary to your thinking, these are my favorite and ace subjects matters throughout school and today.

            I get paid for research in each of these subjects from a few top museums in North America. Or hire  professionals sciencist to work together on many programs. We are beyond academics and who need reality in results as for peers and public.

            Being self taught creative also mean you first hand beyond the adverage person understanding of these subjects.  Even for my world championship sculpture awards.

            1. Nathanville profile image91
              Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Sorry Castlepaloma, but in these discussion, time and time again, you show a complete lack of even the basic understanding of science; so your comments boasting that biology and science are your ace subjects just don’t ring true.  And your comment “We are beyond academics and who need reality in results as for peers and public” further suggest that you don’t really have any basic understanding of science.

              And, although most pharmaceutical companies are making a profit from the covid vaccine, especially the USA e.g. the Moderna vaccine at @$28 per dose being the most expensive covid vaccine in the world; the UK vaccine (Oxford University AstraZeneca vaccine) is being sold across the world at cost (no profit) @ just $4 per dose; thus the UK pharmaceutical company is making no money from the sale of the covid vaccine:  So you can’t paint (tarnish) ‘all’ with the same brush.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image74
                Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Go look through my dozens of hubpages. You will find museum work photos of ancient civilizations museum, pirates sunken treasure museums of north america Pioneers and native American displays and so on. Paid by billionaires (gave the darkside up) that required top professional practice of science, biology, history , worldly understanding first hand. A full childhood practice and 45 years of professional experience.

                Compare to you, as an academic. Who just studies multiple times hand me downs information from a complete lack understanding on who you are dealings with.  Mostly corrupted organization. Where your living in cydro spaces and deeply indoctrinated and enslaved since probably an infant . You could boost about something, yet you got nothing creative or authentic to show for it. Seems like a lack of being around the world to know very Little about it. Rather looking on line due to a great lack of first hand experience. Resulting in very little contributions to offer the masses. The green space projects sound healthy in part if they were yours

                My hiring of workers and thousands of peer most related in science, biology and the arts. Make a solid base of deeply understanding of all three.

                I agree we need to depopulate the earth. Who better than the evil phyco terrorism group of pharmaceutical, Governments and billionaires. Start with the vaxxers and weak ones go first. Through taxes paid for add$4 jab for jobs and to go anywhere.

                Employed by the human race and nobody owns me.

                1. Nathanville profile image91
                  Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Sorry Castlepaloma, but in our discussions, you demonstrate ignorance in even basic science time and time again; you don’t even understand how the vaccines helps your immune system to naturally make anti-bodies to protect you against covid; you had no idea of the roll random sampling plays in statistics and science with genome testing; and you don’t even understand how masks works, you’ve talked about them being bad for you because they trap your own air and you breathe your own air back in etc., whereas if you knew how masks works, you’d know that they let the air through, but they block moisture, and it’s the moisture that the covid virus is carried on in the air, so by blocking the moisture you protect others if you are infected; and you are protected from others if they are protected.  And FYI, breathing your own moisture back in isn’t going to hurt you in anyway; which you would understand if you had studied human biology, as I have done.

                  Until you demonstrate basic understanding of even just basic science, you can’t expect me to believe that you are scientifically knowledgeable.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image74
                    Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Our 20 person off grid tiny houses community with our collective scientific direct professional experience in farming and self reliance. This group believes the vaxxers are the far greater carrier of the Covid viruses. We all volunteered to be laying low for 2 to 4 years. Wail vaxxers continue their own genocides.

  10. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
    Kathryn L Hillposted 13 months ago

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKlSVNxLB-ALyrics

    A winter's day
    In a deep and dark December
    I am alone
    Gazing from my window to the streets below
    On a freshly fallen silent shroud of snow
    I am a rock I am an island
    I've built walls
    A fortress deep and mighty
    That none may penetrate
    I have no need of friendship friendship causes pains
    It's laughter and it's loving I disdain
    I am a rock I am an island
    Don't talk of love
    Well I've heard the word before
    It's sleeping in my memory
    I won't disturb the slumber of feelings that have died
    If I never loved I never would have cried
    I am a rock I am an island
    I have my books
    And my poetry to protect me
    I am shielded in my armor
    Hiding in my room safe within my womb
    I touch no one and no one touches me
    I am a rock I am an island
    And a rock feels no pain
    And an island never cries

  11. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
    Kathryn L Hillposted 13 months ago

    THANKS FOR NOTHING,  C H I N A !

    1. Castlepaloma profile image74
      Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      It was Fauci who was part of it and funding the Wuhan Covid laboratory in China. It was them that first started it or both the Chinese meat market. When humans and livestock take up the 96% of the mammal mass weight on earth. Leaving only 4% wildlife, this is what we get.

      1. Nathanville profile image91
        Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Yep, Castlepaloma is largely correct in the latter part of his comment.  Humans may just make up 0.01% of all life on Earth (by number), but we have destroyed 83% of wild mammals.  And as Castlepaloma quite rightly pointed out, with our dominance on this planet, virus jumping species, such as in the Chinese meat market, has become a high risk issue e.g. swine fever (from pigs to humans, originated in pigs in the USA in 2009) and aviation flu (from poultry to humans) etc., and now covid, originating from bats.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image74
          Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          The richest one percent of the world’s population are responsible for more than twice as much carbon pollution as the 3.1 billion people who made up the poorest half of humanity during a critical 25-year period of unprecedented emissions growth.

          Also much of world livestock cause more pollution than all the gas and oil companies. Most disease and viruses come from animals human's eat. As you stated many of the major viruses came from animals.

          The answer is not any cure-all vaccines from billionaires they are sourced problem of it. Rather confronting the most horrified condition of health practices with education. I gave a few good example of healthy eating and lifestyles. Most of Canada's food comes from 1500 kms away.

          Sorry, can't find these answers or good questions or results from corporatism top - down. It has to come up from only  the bottom upwards to the people. Each person working like ants, collectively are our only saviours for humankind. Not big Pharma centralized banks nor Big Governments.

          I Won't ever and most won't, give up our sared lives for a complete tyrannical propreganda of our owners and top toxicity centralized big business. In fact watch for smaller countries who have the best answers and example. On how to government by smaller countries and individualism.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
            Kathryn L Hillposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            I don't take flu vaccines either. If I get the flu, I know how to fight it off and my body is smarter because of it. If I take the vaccine it will make my body dumb/stupid. I am not going to let this biological-weapon-microbe dumb down my smart/intelligent natural immune system which was designed by the creator of the universe. This is how I fight back. Take it or leave it.

          2. Nathanville profile image91
            Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Castlepaloma, while I commend your healthy lifestyle and diet, and to a large extent it isn’t that different to mine, nor a growing number of people’s across Europe; to rely on just herbal remedies and refuse conventional modern healthcare is fool hardy, and sooner or later you may regret refusing modern medical help.

            However, your claims that the wealthiest 1% of the population are responsible for double the pollution caused by 40% of the world population is inaccurate; just as your claim that livestock causes more pollution than gas and oil.

            In fact for your information; only 18.4% of the greenhouse gases are from agriculture, and only 5.8% from livestock.  Whereas, 73.2% of the greenhouse gases comes from the production and use of Energy; a large part of which is from gas and oil.

            Below, is a details breakdown of where the greenhouse gases actually come from, and as you can see from the data, it’s not just the rich and wealthy, but all of us who contribute to the release of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.  So all of us can play our part in reducing our ‘carbon footprint’; as I shall shortly be doing, when we have solar panels installed on our roof, and a battery installed to store surplus energy from the solar panels for night-time use.

            And of course none of this has anything to do with the current pandemic, nor should it detract from the fact that not getting vaccinated is foolhardy, and even if you don’t get seriously ill from covid yourself, not being vaccinated puts others (family and friends) at risk, as you are more likely to pass on an infection to them, and they may not be so lucky as you e.g. they could die from covid because of your inaction.

            I note from your comment that most of Canada’s food comes from 1,500 Kms away; which does add to the carbon footprint.  While a lot of food in the UK does come from thousands of kilometres e.g. bananas from tropical countries and baked beans from the USA; increasingly in the UK a lot of our food is locally produced.  Locally produced produce is quite a big thing in the UK these days.

            55.46% of the greenhouse gases released into the atmosphere are anthropogenic (man-made), while 44.54% is from nature (natural causes).

            Of the 55.46% of greenhouse gases that are man-made:-

            •    Energy (electricity, heat and transport): 73.2%
            •    Direct Industrial Processes: 5.2%
            •    Waste: 3.2%
            •    Agriculture, Forestry and Land Use: 18.4%

            Of the 73.2% of the greenhouse gases that come from Energy:-
            •    24.2% is from Energy used in Industry
            •    16.2% is from transportation
            •    17.5% is from Energy used in buildings e.g. electricity, heating and cooking etc. (10.9% domestic, and 6.6% by Industry).
            •    7.8% from generating electricity.
            •    5.8% from accidental leakage into the atmosphere by Industry.
            •    1.7% from Energy used in agriculture and fishing.

            Of the 5.2% of the greenhouse gases that comes from Direct Industrial Processes:-
            •    3% comes from the manufacture of cement, and
            •    2.2% comes from Industrial chemical processes.

            Of the 3.2% of greenhouse gases that come from waste:-
            •    1.3% comes from the natural decomposition of wastewater (sewage) etc.
            •    1.9% comes from the natural production of methane in landfill.

            Of the 18.4% of the greenhouse gases that comes from Agriculture:-
            •    0.1% comes from degraded grasslands due to agriculture.
            •    1.4% comes from growing and harvesting crops.
            •    2.2% comes from deforestation.
            •    3.5% comes from crop burning e.g. to clear the land for agriculture.
            •    1.3% comes from rice cultivation.
            •    5.8% comes from livestock (animals).

            1. Castlepaloma profile image74
              Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Livestock is second greenhouse gases to oil and gas. Although overall it is greatest for pollution in our natural environment and within our bodies.

              Have other links too

              https://climatenexus.org/climate-issues … te-change/

              1. Nathanville profile image91
                Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Yep, and that's why the UK Government is recommending that people reduce their meat consumption.  I'm a vegetarian anyway, so I'm already doing my bit.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image74
                  Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Good thing

  12. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
    Kathryn L Hillposted 13 months ago

    Repeating
    I don't take flu vaccines either. If I get the flu, I know how to fight it off and my body is smarter because of it. If I take the vaccine it will make my body dumb/stupid. I am not going to let this biological-weapon-microbe dumb down my smart/intelligent natural immune system which was designed by the creator of the universe. This is how I fight back. Take it or leave it.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image74
      Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Toxicity do make people foggy, and stupid

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
        Kathryn L Hillposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        - their bodies ... the way they were designed to work by God. Sorry to mention God. Lol!

        1. Castlepaloma profile image74
          Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          If food and love is God, then accepted.

    2. Nathanville profile image91
      Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Well yeah, if you are young, fit and healthy, then you shouldn’t have much to worry about from flu.  Like you, I’ve never had the flu vaccine, and I never caught flu.  However, the NHS offers the flu vaccine to everyone over 60 (for free of course), and this year is the first year I took the flu vaccine because I am reaching the high risk age group, and it would be silly for me to play Russian roulette by not taking the vaccine.

      Flu can directly lead to death when the virus triggers severe inflammation in the lungs e.g. causes conditions like pneumonia.

      Those most at risk from death from flu are as follows:-
      •    Children younger than 5, but especially children younger than 2 years old.
      •    Adults 65 years of age and older.
      •    Pregnant women (and women up to two weeks postpartum).
      •    Residents of nursing home and other long-term care facilities.

      Flu isn’t that infectious, its ‘R’ value (the rate of infection) is only 1.28 e.g. on average, every person who has flu will pass it onto 1.28 other people.  In contrast the original covid had an ‘R’ value of ‘3’, while the ‘R’ value of the Delta variant is ‘7’ e.g. highly contagious.

      Actually, taking the vaccine doesn’t dumb down your immune system, it just stimulates it into doing what it is designed to do, and by doing so improves your immune system.

    3. Nathanville profile image91
      Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Common American Misconception on How the Immune System Works and the Roll Vaccines Play

      I see many Americans on-line who believe that vaccines dumb-down the immune system; where in actual fact the reverse is true.

      The immune system works by making anti-bodies of ‘foreign bodies’ (virus) that invades the body.

      An antibody is a defence cell that is manufactured by the immune system to fit snuggly around the shape of the invading foreign body (virus), so that it can kill it.

      However, the immune system has no idea what an invading foreign body (virus) looks like, and therefore no way of making anti-bodies of it, until the body is infected by the foreign body (virus).

      Once the body is infected by a virus (invading foreign body) then it’s a race against time as to whether the immune system can manufacture the anti-bodies in sufficient numbers to beat-off the invading virus before the infection causes your death.  Normally with flu it’s just a week or two of feeling rough while the virus has the upper hand, until your body has manufactured enough antibodies to fight off the virus.

      With the covid virus, it has a number of spikes on its surface, those spikes are like a key e.g. they fit exactly into the receptacles in lung cells, which allows the covid virus to gain access to the interior of the lung cell, and once inside it hijacks the cell and turns it into a factory for making duplicate copies in the millions of the covid virus, which it then releases back into the body to infect more lung cells, and to breathe out to infect other people.

      The problem with relying on your own immune system to protect you from covid is that it takes time (usually three or four weeks) for the immune system to make anti-bodies in sufficient quantities to fight off the invading covid virus; by which time you could be dead.

      The way the covid vaccines work is that they are all designed and made to be harmless replicas of the spikes found on the covid virus e.g. the vaccines are exactly the same shape and size as the spike on the surface of the covid virus.  Thus, when your own body’s immune system sees the vaccine it thinks the vaccine is an invading foreign body and starts to make anti-bodies to protect you against the vaccine; and within three to four weeks you then have enough of the right anti-bodies so that if you do subsequently get infected with covid the anti-bodies can kill the covid virus in its tracks before it’s had a chance to establish itself in your lungs.

      The only problem is, is that regardless to whether you got the anti-bodies from getting the infection in the first place, or from the vaccine, if you don’t subsequently become exposed to the covid virus the anti-bodies that fit the shape of the covid virus begin to wane, and within a year you once again have little protection against covid.  Therefore, not only will herd immunity from natural infection never work, but also, it may be that booster shots may be necessary for the vulnerable e.g. those over the age of 55, and those with underlying health conditions.

      Below, what the spikes on the surface of the covid virus looks like:-

      https://hubstatic.com/15673908.jpg



      https://hubstatic.com/15673909_f1024.jpg

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
        Kathryn L Hillposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        What's it to you?

        1. Nathanville profile image91
          Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          If you mean qualification certificate, they it's mine e.g. that's my name.

          Arthur

    4. Nathanville profile image91
      Nathanvilleposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Inside the Lab That Invented the COVID-19 Vaccine:  https://youtu.be/-92HQA0GcI8

      1. Castlepaloma profile image74
        Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        I got more scarier films from the insect world and more reason to fear them.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
          Kathryn L Hillposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Keep up the good work!

 
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