Are Republican protecting your right to die from the Delta Variant?
This is from Vanity Fair July 16, 2021
In a push designed to treat unvaccinated Americans like an oppressed group, Republicans are reportedly pursuing a series of bills that would make it illegal to “discriminate” against those who choose not to get the COVID-19 vaccine. At least one state—Montana—has already signed such a bill into law, and according to Axios, others around the country are following suit.
Montana’s law prevents businesses such as grocery stores and restaurants from refusing customers based on their vaccination status. And employers in the state cannot consider an applicant’s vaccination status when making hiring decisions. In a similar move, Alabama passed a law prohibiting schools and universities from mandating COVID vaccine requirements for students, faculty, and staff, while other government institutions and private companies are also barred from stopping service to unvaccinated patrons. In essence, these types of laws give the same protection to unvaccinated Americans as those who face discrimination based on their race, religion, sexual orientation, and gender identity. “When we think about the normal discrimination statutes…we have protected classes based on something that is sort of inherent to you,” Lowell Pearson, a managing partner at Husch Blackwell, told Axios. “But vaccination status you certainly can control.”
In several states, Republican governors have passed mandates banning the use of vaccine passports, meaning businesses and venues cannot ask for proof that their customers are vaccinated. Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Idaho, Iowa, Montana, North Dakota, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, and Wyoming all have vaccine-passport bans.
Ironically, many of these efforts are taking place as the more contagious delta variant continues to spread, in states where vaccination rates are already at rock bottom. In Montana, approximately 43% of the state’s population is fully vaccinated. Around one third of Alabama residents have been fully vaccinated, and the state is currently experiencing an increase in COVID cases, according to The New York Times. Last week, CDC director Rochelle Walensky made it clear that those Americans who have recently died after contracting COVID-19 were unvaccinated. “Preliminary data from several states over the last few months suggest that 99.5% of deaths from COVID-19 in the United States were in unvaccinated people,” she said in a press briefing.
Despite the obvious danger, right-wing pundits with vast megaphones have continued to discourage their audiences from getting vaccinated. Last week Charlie Kirk, the cofounder of pro-Trump youth group Turning Point USA, launched a “No Forced Vax” campaign on Tucker Carlson Tonight, promising to “fight back against forced campus vaccinations” and supposedly launching chapters on campuses across the country. Kirk has compared vaccine requirements to South African apartheid, and GOP Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene has likened mask mandates and the treatment of unvaccinated Americans to that of Jews in prewar Nazi Germany. In condemning Joe Biden’s door-knocking campaign to get more Americans vaccinated, Tucker Carlson called it “the greatest scandal” he has ever witnessed, and his colleague Laura Ingraham slammed it as “creepy.”It certainly is no surprise that more Republicans have opted not to take the vaccine. I have friends that for one reason or the other won't take it. The most common excuse is they feel it is a new type of vaccine that has not been used before, and many feel the vaccines were not tested sufficiently.
I think it goes back to the fact as a rule Republicans do not appreciate government overreach. And they really don't like the thought of any form of Vaccine mandates of any kind. Many conservatives value autonomy.
I will be honest I don't know where you are going with your question --- "Are Republicans protecting your right to die from the Delta Variant?
We are all responsible to make the decision to be vaccinated and be protected from COVID. As you stated in your OP --- Last week, CDC director Rochelle Walensky made it clear that those Americans who have recently died after contracting COVID-19 were unvaccinated. “Preliminary data from several states over the last few months suggest that 99.5% of deaths from COVID-19 in the United States were in unvaccinated people,” she said in a press briefing.
People that are vaccinated have a very slight chance of contracting DELTA so not sure why it is you feel Republicans that choose not to be vaccinated are taking anyone's rights away. You quoted that 99.5 stat. People that are vaccinated have a minute chance of contacting DELTA or dieing from it.
"In the U.S., officials have said virtually all recent Covid hospitalizations and deaths were occurring among unvaccinated people."
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/12/most-fu … says-.html
And undoubtedly there is a small number that has died from COVID even though vaccinated. No vaccine is 100%. And some recipient's immune systems are poor due to ongoing health problems that make them more prone to die if infected with a virus of any form.
The bottom line is we live in America, we have rights, and some are standing on those rights whether we agree or not.
I am against forcing anyone to put anything into their body that they don't want to. I took the vaccine, but I have seen not only long-term problems with the vaccine occur, but I have also seen long-term medications be flagged for causing problems such as Cancer.
We really do not have any long studies on any of the vaccines. So, I can see and actually felt the same fears as many that have refused to take one of the COVID vaccines. So, have many physicians I am acquainted with.Sharlee:
I see the virus as an enemy of the people. Not only in this country but in the world. That's why it is called a pandemic. Whether we like it or not, we are at war with an organism that is so small, it can only be seen with an electron microscope, but yet if not treated, it can be lethal, just like an enemy attacking human kind.
In my view, it is not a matter of freedom or government overreach, it is not even political. It behooves each and everyone of us to be treated and follow the guidelines.
I believe what Fox News and MAGA news is doing is a disservice to the people in combating this enemy. Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham, et al, think they are protecting the right of of those who don't want the vaccine. I guess you didn't read this part of my post or you just ignored commenting on it.
"Despite the obvious danger, right-wing pundits with vast megaphones have continued to discourage their audiences from getting vaccinated. Last week Charlie Kirk, the cofounder of pro-Trump youth group Turning Point USA, launched a “No Forced Vax” campaign on Tucker Carlson Tonight, promising to “fight back against forced campus vaccinations” and supposedly launching chapters on campuses across the country. Kirk has compared vaccine requirements to South African apartheid, and GOP Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene has likened mask mandates and the treatment of unvaccinated Americans to that of Jews in prewar Nazi Germany. In condemning Joe Biden’s door-knocking campaign to get more Americans vaccinated, Tucker Carlson called it “the greatest scandal” he has ever witnessed, and his colleague Laura Ingraham slammed it as “creepy.”"
In my view, the misinformation, they are putting out is all most criminal. They want their listeners to think they are helping them protect their freedom to choose. When in fact what they are really doing is trying to increase their ratings, so they can earn more megabucks. It is almost like shouting fire in a crowded theater to either create or increase their fear of the vaccine.
From a scientific standpoint, the vaccine isn't even an antibody, like a Polio or a measles vaccine. The virus multiplies by inserting its RNA into lung tissue. The vaccine carries a messenger RNA that blocks the virus RNA so the virus can't reproduce. It is nothing like a flu shot. This is what Fox News should be telling it's viewers, not the B.S. they are putting out.
I'm all for freedom, but when their actions or inactions, put my health and others at risk, then something is wrong with this picture. We have gone from getting the virus almost under control to having new outbreaks in areas where they refuse to get vaccinated. In the Los Angeles area, until yesterday, we were not required to wear masks. And now because of those new outbreaks as of Saturday at Midnight, we are required to wear masks again, to lower or risk from getting it from Anti-Vaxers.
I think I have mentioned this before. For those people who are dying and have died because of not being vaccinated, I think it will affect their gene pool. It is a law of nature that is survival of the fittest and those who are able to adapt to change. If they choose not to adapt, they will pay the price and I blame Fox/MAGA news for a large part of the problem.Here's my question then. Should insurance companies be required to pay for health care associated with those who aren't vaccinated? In other words, should that be a way for insurance companies to deny coverage?
I would say yes. If you refuse to get vaccinated and then you get COVID and need to be hospitalized, you should bear the brunt of that decision.crankalicious:
Insurance companies are all about risk/reward ratio. They want you to stay well so that you don't file as many claims. The less claims that are filed, the bigger the profit for the insurance companies.
People who have insurance pay premiums. I don't think they can legally deny coverage based on not getting the shots. I think most care givers would still tend to sick patients even if the patient was not covered.That's like saying you shouldn't get coverage for a car accident because you chose to drive a car. How about people who were victims of cancer because they worked in roofing industry? You chose to work in the roofing industry. So, where does it stop? How about if you survive a suicide attempt? You chose to commit suicide. You pay for your insurance, you should get the coverage.
I understand your point of view, the majority of Americans did decide to get vaccinated. However, some have fears of a vaccine that has never been used before with a short study period. Fear is a horrible emotion to deal with.
PP -- I guess you didn't read this part of my post or you just ignored commenting on it.
As I have said before I don't watch much media nighttime news. This is why it's hard to address the network news shows. These shows are more geared to presenting hyperbolic opinion-oriented views on current events. They all pick and choose what they want one to hear. They skew context.
So, if you have a particular Tucker show you found was egregious in regard to vaccines, please provide the youtube, and I will watch it. I have checked out a few of the Tucker shows that you felt he was being untruthful. What I have gleaned from Tucker's style --- he is very outspoken with his opinion of others, he slams one in the face as a rule with facts one might not want to hear. He does present guests to attempt to back up his theories.
PP -- In my view, it is not a matter of freedom or government overreach, it is not even political. It behooves each and every one of us to be treated and follow the guidelines.
This is your opinion, we all have one. I believe in the freedom to make sessions on what goes into my body. Weighing pros and cons, and making a decision. Our mindsets differ severely... I am very much conservative, very fact-oriented. My degrees are in health science and biological sciences. So you might guess my mindset is very much science-based. I know a lot about viruses in general, as well as DNA and RNA. So, I might say my decision to take the vaccine was a hard one.
I needed to look past the fact that DNA and RNA play a very big part in Cancer. Denatured DNA is a big part of Cancer growth.
To put it simply --- Cancer is actually out-of-control cell division. It involves a change in the DNA structure that causes an alteration of the normal DNA regulating mechanisms. The malignant (cancerous) cells no longer respond to normal regulatory signals --- So, I am somewhat leery of a vaccine that sets up shop in our RNA. Hopefully, we as a society don't find out in a couple of years these vaccines attributed to a very large increase in Cancer.
I don't see a problem in wearing a mask to lower the chances of getting DELTA. Although the cases in people with the vaccine are very low, if one feels more comfortable wearing a mask, they should wear a mask. I, at this juncture, am still distancing in public, I am not socializing with friends that have made the decision not to take the vaccine. You see, I look at it this way --- they have the right to make up their own minds on whether to get vaccinated which would give them good protection against the virus. However, I have the right to protect myself from people that can carry large loads of the virus and spread the Virus. In my view, one needs to make decisions that lead to protecting themself, and don't worry about what others choose to do... Because in the end, they have the right to make up their own minds. I am not losing sleep over something I can't change.
Will this all affect the gene pool, who knows. Keep in mind, we that who took the vaccine have no idea what it may do in a year or two. The body is very smart when it comes to foreign objects, and sometimes just does not know how to handle them, and decides to try to kill the bad guy. Problems can occur when the body kills the good guys too...This link shows the red/blue divide and how the divide is growing in terms of vaccination rates.
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-re … s-growing/I am aware of the divide. As I said I believe conservatives, in general, have many different mindsets than liberals. AS I shared, I have friends that are physicians that will not take the vaccine. I think some people are fearful of long-term health problems, some are just fearful of anything that comes out of Government.
My common sense told me I could be dammed if I don't, and maybe dammed if I do. But knowing a bit about viruses, I know this virus is like no other, and we will not get rid of it if we don't stop it with a vaccine. It would literally be around for many many years if left to run unchecked.
It can also mutate into something far worse than we have seen. I wish more information on the science of viruses would be reported on, give truthful information on how dangerous mutations can be. We have no idea if DELTA will mutate into something worse.
Question --- Would you be on board with a federal mandate that would require all citizens 12 years and up to be vaccinated, unless a Doctor offers a reason their patient should not be vaccinated? Would you be willing to have a mandate for all children to be vaccinated?S- In my view, one needs to make decisions that lead to protecting themself, and don't worry about what others choose to do... Because in the end, they have the right to make up their own minds. I am not losing sleep over something I can't change.
M- They have the right to make up their own minds, but their minds are being influenced with misinformation and lies about the virus from Fox and MAGA news.
I wouldn't care if if it were just a few individuals, but their audience is in the millions 24/7 and that influence represents a very powerful force in their decision making. The more people who become anti-vaxers, the greater the probability of the virus spreading and even mutating again...So I am making it my business, at least from a personal concern as to how it affects human kind.
S-So, if you have a particular Tucker show you found was egregious in regard to vaccines, please provide the youtube, and I will watch it. I have checked out a few of the Tucker shows that you felt he was being untruthful. What I have gleaned from Tucker's style --- he is very outspoken with his opinion of others, he slams one in the face as a rule with facts one might not want to hear. He does present guests to attempt to back up his theories.
M-You asked for it you got it.
https://youtu.be/yRn4eA17GKQ
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/l … er-carlsonI watched youtube and checked out the Factcheckers at Politifact.
Politifact did their homework and very much proved Tucker's comments were not factual or could not at all be proved as true. His comment in regard to the vaccines is very one-sided, that is clear. And his delivery could very well work to make some think they should fear the vaccine.
His bit on females in the army -- I found a more complete longer clip from that show. He appeared to be trying to make the point we are lagging way behind China in regard to their military, especially China's naval power. Pointing out the pure fact that they have a very much larger fleet than the US. He was very angry at a speech Biden had given. A speech where Tucker clearly thought Biden looked foolish talking about maternity clothes and hairstyles instead of address the problem that we lag severely behind China in regards to military and equipment needed to protect America.
I have said this before in regard to Tucker, he is very hyperbolic, and I will agree many that who would tune in could be very much disturbed by what he is saying, and how it says it, and take it all as factual. Tucker has a way with words that's apparent. Many like shows that the hosts are very controversial.
Opinion shows in my view ar dangerous... Many don't look beyond the hype.
PP -- They have the right to make up their own minds, but their minds are being influenced with misinformation and lies about the virus from Fox and MAGA news.
I don't see much that can be done about the nightly talk jock shows. I find all three of the popular networks bias, and promoting propaganda.
PP -- The more people who become anti-vaxers, the greater the probability of the virus spreading and even mutating again...So I am making it my business, at least from a personal concern as to how it affects human kind.
The greatest probability of spread will be among the unvaccinated if we are being told the truth about the virus, and the vaccine remains effective. It will be unvaccinated that will become ill, and in the end, it will be them (the hard way) that added many millions to the herd. I certainly don't prefer this outcome. But I am not sure all of our personal concerns matter. So, how are you intending to change anything via personal concerns that affect humankind in regards to those that refuse to be vaccinated?
Perhaps you should try to keep yourself and yours healthy by continuing some forms of mitigations as I do. Try to stay clear from friends and family that won't take the vaccine, this will work to cut your chances of even getting a weakened case of DELTA. And social distance when in public until we see where this new strain is going, can't hurt to
be careful.
You did not answer my questions in regard to mandates.Sharlee:
S-Question --- Would you be on board with a federal mandate that would require all citizens 12 years and up to be vaccinated, unless a Doctor offers a reason their patient should not be vaccinated? Would you be willing to have a mandate for all children to be vaccinated?
M- I'm not qualified to answer that question, but here is what the CDC says about it.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021 … gning.htmlYou do realize how frequently the CDC walks back their advice? And my question has nothing to do with the CDC or any other one's opinion on mandates. I asked your opinion, and I had hoped to learn your opinion on Government overreach and citizen's freedoms.
That's where I was headed.
So, from your answer I take it you are down with whatever you are told to do by the CDC.. It would appear you are alright with taking away a person's right to choose what goes into their body.
I will point out something important only because I find your reply to my question is interesting in regard to individual ideologies. And I have been trying to point out that our ideologies differ. It is apparent you are a liberal;, and in the case of mandates, it appears you would leave that decision in the hands of the Government, and follow their request without a problem. I, being conservative, would not be on board with taking away anyone's right to refuse the vaccine. I am pro-vaccine at this point and think more truth about the virus, and the importance of taking the vaccine is a better path than mandating a vaccine with mandates.
This vaccine debate really shows the differing mindsets between liberals and conservatives.Sharlee: Our children are in their 50's and we don't have any grandchildren, So I feel I'm not qualified to make a comment about how it affects teenagers. As I said before, we are all in this together and I look at the virus as an enemy that we are at war with.
Who is better to fight a war than our federal government? There is not a mishmash of states and local governments laws and policies. There is a uniform treatment across the nation. We are all soldiers in this endeavor.
I believe the government can overreact with an enemy they have never fought as evidence by overbuying vaccines and changing courses many times as they learn new information.
But if you look at any goal seeking activity that has never been done before, there are going to be learning curves and zig and zags before it reaches its goal. Hopefully, it will make less and less corrections until it reaches its goal, like any goal seeking device.
Think of a guided missile, it doesn't just go directly to its target, it gets feedback and makes corrections as it seeks the target with each correction being smaller and smaller, until it hits its target.
This has noting to with being a liberal. It has to do with common sense. You mentioned that it is no big deal for you to wear a mask. It's just common sense. But you missed my point. Wearing a masks again indicates we are going backward, because of people who refuse to get vaccinated.
I believe it should be a federal government mandate. What are they going to do arrest those who refuse to get vaccinated? There is no way they can enforce it. If you don't get a flu shot, do they arrest you?PP --- Our children are in their 50's and we don't have any grandchildren, So I feel I'm not qualified to make a comment about how it affects teenagers. As I said before, we are all in this together and I look at the virus as an enemy that we are at war with.
PP --This has noting to with being a liberal. It has to do with common sense. You mentioned that it is no big deal for you to wear a mask. It's just common sense. But you missed my point. Wearing a masks again indicates we are going backward, because of people who refuse to get vaccinated.
I am not for going backwards either that's why I feel it smart to not see friends that have not been vaccinated. It tells them I am still complying with the science --- That they are spreaders, and most likely will get DELTA and become part of the herd, while I keep myself as safe as possible in decreasing my own chances of contracting even a mild case. Add social distancing in public, I feel I am doing all I can do without stepping on someone else's rights.
I come from a different mindset in regard to Government. I in no respect think the Government is qualified to fight this war. It's very apparent with all the many mistakes they have made from the very first days of Pandemic.
Scientists are still having opposing opinions on whether the virus was engineered in a lab.
I am not willing to trust the Government at this point. I want to hear from the scientists.Sharlee: The government and the scientist are one and the same. Dr. Fauci is the head of the National Institute of Health. The CDC has scientist as well. They are all funded by our tax payer dollars. They are both part of Health and Human Services, which is a government agency. Yes, they make mistakes, but then so do others when there is something new like the virus.
S-Scientists are still having opposing opinions on whether the virus was engineered in a lab.
M-At this point, who cares whether it was engineered in a lab or not. We still have to deal with it to stay alive. What if it came from aliens in outer space. We would still have to fight it and win.
M-The right is demonizing Fauci and others because, they want to make them look bad in the eyes of their constituents. This is where the politics comes into play. I find it disgraceful what Jim Jordan, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Mat Gaetz, et al. are doing to notable people like Fauci who is recognized world wide for his work.. They have drunk the Kool Aid, that says only, "I Donald Trump can fix everything."
M-Who are the scientist that you want to hear from?
S-I am not for going backwards either that's why I feel it smart to not see friends that have not been vaccinated. It tells them I am still complying with the science --- That they are spreaders, and most likely will get DELTA and become part of the herd, while I keep myself as safe as possible in decreasing my own chances of contracting even a mild case. Add social distancing in public, I feel I am doing all I can do without stepping on someone else's rights.
M- You may not be going backwards, but the country is. Thanks to the misinformation that is put out there by Fox News and MAGA News pundits. Those who contract the Delta Variant may die and never become part of the herd immunity cohort.
M-What this country needs right now is education of what the virus really is. In simple terms. those spikes on the virus are inserted into the lung tissue to replicate themselves with their RNA, thus causing our immune system to go bananas (Cyto storm) and in most cases causing a fever and much worse, including death..
What the vaccine does is block the insertion of the virus RNA with the (messenger) MRNA in the vaccine, thus stopping the replication of the virus. The cyto storm still takes place, but at a reduced level, thus getting mild side effects for a very short period of time. In other words, the vaccine stops the virus from having sex with our lung tissue, so the virus can no longer reproduce.
I think if all the Anti-Vaxers knew that, they would come around. I just don't know how to reach them. Many of them live in rural areas where many of them don't even have access to computers. But they certainly have TV's where they can watch all the misinformation propaganda 24/7. It is so sad.PP -- -At this point, who cares whether it was engineered in a lab or not. We still have to deal with it to stay alive. What if it came from aliens in outer space. We would still have to fight it and win.
I care because if it is man-made it was most likely made so it won't be denatured enough to get rid of but mutate to new sprains to make vaccines ineffective. Gian of function viruses is built to be almost indestructible.
I have no faith in this administration to educate the population on both the pros and cons of the vaccine. I think more people would opt to be vaccinated if they had a better grasp of what we can expect if more are not vaccinated. I am not seeing educational info, I am just seeing the media educate only point fingers at those that won't get vaccinated, or put pure fear into some about an unknown vaccine.
I think people deserve the truthful pros and cons of vaccines. What they offer, the side effects thus far(which have been few), and where we are headed if more don't get vaccinated. Which are more mutations, more to become ill, some deaths, and the fact the virus will be along for a decade maybe longer.Sharlee:
S-I care because if it is man-made it was most likely made so it won't be denatured enough to get rid of but mutate to new sprains to make vaccines ineffective. Gian of function viruses is built to be almost indestructible.
M-I don't know where you got your information from? Here is what I found about the virus being man-made and the Gain-of-function information. It's the good, the bad, and the ugly.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronav … wsource=cl
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/06/scich … ronavirus/
https://abc7chicago.com/fauci-rand-paul … /10901142/I think more investigations need to be done on the virus's origin. I will stand by my thought that this virus is very different from most viruses, this is one reason a typical vaccine would be work on this virus.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/16/politics … index.html
I would not be too quick to jump on any theories as of yet. It has been proved the US has over the years been funding the Wuhan lab. It is not been confirmed that the US knew that the lab was doing gain of research with our cash. This still needs to be answered. Here is a link that disturbed me. Like I say, I don't think the Government is being honest.
https://newsbinding.com/news/washington … was-wrong/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-scienc … 1622995184Sharlee- The first link is conspiracy theory. Like most conspiracy theories, it will stay open and may never be proved one way or the other.
Your second link is by a columnist who is just giving their opinion as to why Rand Paul is right. The third link requires a subscription to WSJ in order to read it.
I want to believe the scientist from the video I posted. I believe they have the most credible explanation of the evidence left from manipulating RNA. It's like removing specific red bricks from a wall and replacing them with black bricks. The black bricks give evidence that the RNA has been manipulated. According to those scientist, there is no evidence of black bricks.
On another note, it appears the republicans are beginning to capitulate about not getting the vaccine. Hannity says get the shots and so does McConnell. But alas, this is actually more manipulation of their viewers to get the media off their backs.
https://www.salon.com/2021/07/21/why-re … seriously/I am pleased to see more in the media are beginning to realize the pro's in regards to getting the vaccine. Although there are con's I think at this point as a people we need to realize this virus is dangerous right now but could become something far worse. I really rassled with making the dession, and I know it's not an easy one to make.
I think in the next few weeks we will be learning more about the virus
with President Joe Biden ordered the intelligence community to redouble its efforts to get to the bottom of the virus's origins, and the ongoing House Republican investigation.
Your point about the media reporting on vaccines and viruses is well taken. However, you also just identified the issue. Right-wing media doesn't cover that stuff. Right-wing media is anti-science (which is anti-truth), which is why so many Republicans aren't getting vaccinated. I've heard many stories about virus mutation on NPR. They do lots of interviews with infectious disease specialists.
Your point is right on. If enough people don't get vaccinated, this virus is going to mutate into something that is vaccine resistant. Then we're all screwed. And we'll know who screwed us.
How do you educate people who believe that education is a hoax?"How do you educate people who believe that education is a hoax?"
In y view over a lifetime, people develop their ideologies. It would be very hard to change one's thoughts on the virus without some real education on viruses, and what can occur if a virulent strain of virus goes unchecked.
The problem is we have not in our lifetime had to address a virus the virulent in America other them HIV. This could well be a good place to start with the education of just how a virus unchecked can kill million, and be very hard to control, and take many years to come up with good therapeutics to treat a virulent virus.
It's unfortunate but we are apt to see numbers of DELTA rise in the next many months, and many will become ill. This will add to our hearing, but the problem of DELTA mutating is a real problem. The farther the virus mutated from the original COVID strain, the less protection even the vaccinated will become. We will be back at square one, without a vaccine that will work. This is what we should be hearing from the CDC and our Government --- not just "get vaccinated"
People need to be given some facts on what could happen...
In today's "What if " mentality, this could work well to get people to rethink their stance on the vaccine, and maybe lead to more getting vaccinated.
You educate by putting out truthful information, not just encouraging them to get vaccinated. Tell them about what viruses are, and what paths they follow to stay a danger to human beings.
So, China unleashed a killer microbe that no one can survive unless they are vaccinated. How great it is that vaccinations were so soon available.
How great it is that US voting went haywire and The Hated Villain, President Trump, was cancelled. How great it is that Biden will fall on his face. This will not benefit the US and the US knows it.
There is something the US does not know:
Who is behind the fall of the US?
and w h o will benefit?
Next step;
Watch and observe very carefully
... with an open mind.I fully agree with China unleashed a deadly virus. Not sure where it will go from here it could end up that any not vaccinated will die. We have a very dangerous unknown not knowing the origin of the virus.
I agree the last election showed some real irregularities.
It is very clear many hated Trump and canceled him.
And between me and you, I think Biden has failed, and quicker than I ever dreamed he would...No one will benefit from the fall of the US. None of us.
Who is behind the destruction, one can only guess. However, my money is on the Democratic party, and a few of their very rich cohorts.
And last of all and this is just my view --- right is might with most American's.Sharlee: I guess you would call this a Biden failure.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … li=BBnb7KzI have posted my opinion in regard to the infrastructure bill several times here on HPs political forum. I said it was a win-win for both sides, and I was very sure it would pass, It did. Both sideloaded it down with pork. Both sides made sure to make all their citizens back home happy in a bill that was distent to pass.
Now I will head out on a limb and give my opinion on the Reconciliation bill, all the Dems far-left wish list. It will end up either failing or being cut up so badly by the Republicans you won't even recognize it.
Sorry, IMO the infrastructure bill was as I said in the past a gimmie... No gold star for Biden. Now we will have a wait and see on that Reconciliation bill. It will be a real humdinger to follow all the infighting on that one. It will be nasty.
I feel Biden has failed so quickly, we just can't afford a president that can't do the job.If the infrastructure bill was such a 'gimmie,' it would have been passed four years ago during infrastructure 'week.' You're so partisan that you cannot even acknowledge how this is a win for Biden to return the country to some semblance of bipartisanship. And any money that gets spent by anyone other than your Golden God must be pork, no matter how badly the country needs it.
WE were not discussing it four years ago. Trump pushed for an infrastructure bill. Trump slammed Congress frequently for what he felt them inept. As I said, maybe not clear enough on my part. This bill was so needed by both sides. A phony act of bipartisan ib my opinion. Now the reconciliation bill, all will be back to usual. Fight like cats and dogs nothing will be done from here on.
The heck we weren't discussing it. We were discussing it every week, and when the sides came together to discuss it, Trump threw a hissy fit because he had recently been impeached. That ended any further chances and proved how incapable he was of accomplishing anything on the much needed subject. He was the inept one when it came to infrastructure.
Typo meant to say --- WE were discussing it four years ago. Trump pushed for an infrastructure bill. Trump slammed Congress frequently for what he felt them inept. Infrastructure was a campaign promise, he actually has a could what he called infrastructure weeks.
Sharlee: You can't deny that Biden and company worked bipartisan strategies to bring GOP senators on board Even Mitch McConnell came over to the other side after saying he was 100% focused on stopping Biden's administration.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-bi … s-n1266443As I have said long before the Bill came to be voted on --- I said it was pretty much a gimmie. Both sides needed this notch on their belt. Let's watch where the GOP all stand on the Reconciliation bill. The GOP can't afford to disappoint the conservative part of the party by passing a bill that is overburden with social programs, and unnecessary spending projects. Especially with the gigantic deficit, we have accumulated due to COVID relief.
I don't see Biden getting anything off the ground.Here we are in America today.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5 … ers-to-get
The question remains at this point - will Democrats, particularly Pelosi, allow the infrastructure bill to pass the House (or even be discussed) without first passing that massive wish list of theirs?
While both parties came together (somewhat) to pass the repair bill for our countries needs, they are highly unlikely to pass that massive spending bill that only buys what Democrats want to see. And if Pelosi sticks to her threat, there will be no infrastructure bill...all in the name of partisan politics.
We actually had long studies on coronaviruses for years. This was just a new strain of an old virus. Unvaccinated people don't have the right to get other people sick because they are carriers of disease.
Fox News had the strictest laws about making their employees be vaccinated before coming back to work. If a person was ill with a deadly disease and wanted to die, would you support their right to die then? The hypocrisy is astounding. The R argument "My body, my choice" is the same. R Women as a rule don't support a woman's right to choose when it comes to unwanted pregnancy.The vaccinated are infecting the rest of us. The vaccinated cause the virus to mutate. They're going to have problems, because now their immune systems are compromised.
Now we have the Delta variant. Now we have vaccinations that don't work or don't last. Face it. We are doomed. The whole thing is a disaster.
You can stop acting like everything is under control.
'Cuz it ain't.
Could it be time to just accept most have made up their minds in regard to getting vaccinated? The division is clear, and the bar is not moving...
Both sides have dug in, both sides have presented solid pros and cons. Offering relative information to back up their opinions.
This vaccine was hoisted on us, with little information and had a short human study. This and the fact that we also know little about the actual virus as of yet could certainly work as a deterrent to taking the vaccine.
Many seem to feel we have heard little from the CDC that we can trust, due to them changing up their opinion frequently. This works to deter, not encourage one to take the vaccine. Even in fact the CDC responsibly changes its information due to a changing virus. Laymen can't digest this, perhaps due to the fact have never had to face such a complicated scientific problem. My point -- At any rate, the decision to take a brand new type of vaccine to fight an unknown virus was a hard one. We all have different ways when it comes to deciphering pros and cons.
Maybe it's time we realize either side could be wrong. Playing the blame game gets us nowhere. Just another thing to divide us. Maybe we should start thinking about all the divisions we now are dealing with. And asking ourselves what's causing them.
In regard to Tucker, some find him "creepy". I find him outspoken, he hits ya in the face with opinions one may not like to hear. Hit nerve-type journalism. But, I will be dammed, he sure makes one think. His commentary smacks one right between the eyes.Sharlee: I don't care what Tucker Carlson's opinions are as an individual. But I do care how he Hannity and Ingraham have such a huge audience that they can influence with their misinformation and propaganda. And they do it all for the huge salaries they earn from their sponsors. Welcome to capitalism at its finest.
The people who are not wearing masks and not getting vaccinated don't realize and/or don't care they can be spreaders of the virus and a lot of it is because of the misinformation that is presented by Fox News.
As far as the CDC and the scientific community, you and I understand this virus is still unfolding, but their are others who want certainty everyday. They don't realize as they learn new information, they have to change their position on policies and procedures. Now they have approved another dose for those who have survived with underlying conditions.
I watched AOC being interviewed on CNN. She said she was afraid that during Jan. 6 she was going to be raped and die from the attackers. I'm sure Tucker's audience had a big laugh about that. You call it all about being hit between the eyes. I call it exploitation of an audience for ratings.
In my view, that is what keeps us divided. There are two America's. There is the left America and the Right America. Each "country" has their own values and belief systems and never the two shall meet.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tucker-c … bc26a3d02bit will become very apparent which side is wrong. Hubpages Topical forums will eventually reveal this side, as your side, your opinions, your viewpoints, People Power, become more and more clear ... as you continue to share your views with us.
So, thank you for enlightening us!PP "Sharlee: I don't care what Tucker Carlson's opinions are as an individual. But I do care how he Hannity and Ingraham have such a huge audience that they can influence with their misinformation and propaganda. "
Please note the context of my comment in regard to Tucker. I was not approving or disapproving of his opinions. I simply comment on his style of journalism. I can't judge if what he is saying is propaganda. I don't tune in often. I have watched a couple of his clips on youtube due to you requesting me to. It appeared he was hyperbolic but relied most of the time on his opinion of what he feels are facts. I just don't rely on talk jocks when it comes to factual news --- any of them.
PP -- " The people who are not wearing masks and not getting vaccinated don't realize and/or don't care they can be spreaders of the virus and a lot of it is because of the misinformation that is presented by Fox News."
I think you are compartmentalizing people unduly. I tried to point out individuals use different ways to determine pros and cons when it comes to the vaccine. I know some very intelligent people On being my cardiologist have opted to not take the vaccine, and mitigate using other precautions. And there is and has been misinformation from just about every organization like the CDC, FDA, and TV Dr. from day one... This is one of the big problems why many have lost trust in information altogether.
PP -- "As far as the CDC and the scientific community, you and I understand this virus is still unfolding, but their are others who want certainty everyday. They don't realize as they learn new information, they have to change their position on policies and procedures. Now they have approved another dose for those who have survived with underlying conditions."
Yes, the virus is changing and we just did not know enough about it from day one. So yes, my common sense and educational background tell me that all that many call flip and flops are simply due to just not knowing enough about this virus, and making the CDC going with the flow of new studies that are starting to surface. What it seems many can't understand is this virus is not typical, it is not in any respect flowing the path most viruses follow. It's like a new animal that has never been recovered --- we don't know what it will do. In regard to -- "Now they have approved another dose for those who have survived with underlying conditions."
I was just had lunch with a physician friend, she had COVID in the first months of the outbreak. She was donating blood plasma every month to be used therapeutically on COVID Pts. She was told last month her titer was too low and her plasma would not be sufficient She also at that point took the vaccine, hoping it would bring up her titer, it did. It is my hope that the Government starts putting out information on just how long the COVID antibodies last after the vaccine and after one has had COVID. It appears that again this virus is not following what is expected in regard to holding on to antibodies. I will check my titer in Sept, and get a booster with my Dr if need be. I think the Government should be out front with offering boosters to all that show a low titer and want to get a booster. In my opinion, by Nov we will have a new mutation that will hit hard and hit all ages. I hope I am wrong.
I agree, There is left America and Right America. Each "country" has its own values and belief systems and never the two shall meet. I actually think there is a third, one that ignores all the hoopla and tries to just make calm sensible individual decisions taking into account considering their own situation.
As far as Tucker, Hannity, and the rest you have the right to turn them off. But do you have the right to make other stop watching their shows because you feel they are promoting propaganda? WE have always had free speech, and I would never want to see us lose it.
I respectfully had a good look at your article. I can see that even though AOC was not in the Capitol she had reasons to be very frightened. While the riot was occurring a man did pound on her office door, she could certainly hear all the violence that was occurring just across the street, and she had a history of being overpowered and raped. It was unfair for any journalist to assume just because she did not come face to face with a rioter that she would not feel afraid or threatened. Shame on them!Sharlee: I don't have the right to stop people from watching Fox News, but I wish I and others had the right to shut down Ingraham, Hannity, and Carlson. But that will never happen as long as they have sponsors and ratings. It 's capitalism at its finest.
I long for the days of Walter Cronkite and his one hour news show of unadulterated news instead of the constant echo chambers of the same thing 24/7.
"I actually think there is a third, one that ignores all the hoopla and tries to just make calm sensible individual decisions taking into account considering their own situation."
I'm a troubleshooter and I like to get to the root cause of problems. I think what is needed is factual education of what this virus is, how it got here and what the vaccine really is, not people's opinions and conspiracy theories.
In a perfect world, we can just stay to ourselves, but this is a far from a perfect world we live in when science is mixed in with politics.In a perfect world we have Hannity, Ingraham and all the others who reveal
F A C T S .
Sorry there are so many who don't recognize facts when they hear them.
But then, T R U T H is often very hard to accept, for anyone.I very much that politics should have never mixed with science. We would have been so much better off in regard to handling the virus if we let virologists and physicians take control of speaking to the nation. Both fields are very much matter of fact, and as much as possible what was needed was facts.
I will also agree that sponsors are driven by ratings. It's a crazy world.
I have question:
Many people participating in this discussion seem to be antivaxers.
Now i read that in places where hospitals are overwhelmed, they start to set up remote monoclone antibody treatment sites.
That seems to make sense. Give Covid patients a shot of this medicine and send them home before they can even enter the hospital door.
But again. This treatment is also experimental. Possibly even more experimental than vaccines are. So - are antivaxers willing to get the stuff that already saved the former guy in the White House?Even by the corrupted corporate development Government and the health (or HELL) organizations are under Faucism. Even by their stats and covid deaths have doubled and variant appeared since the vaccines roll out, now in the slow season of summer . This 99% unvaccinated delta variant is totally made up by nazi fauci and media with no proof what so ever.
Castle: I asked you where you get your information from? All you gave me is your opinion.
I just drop this info in here about the Delta variant:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 … 21261991v1
This study found out that apparently Delta is tricky, because Delta seems to hide/suppress symptoms for a few days. People with Delta are infectuous some days before fist symptoms develop.
This may explain the higher virus load for the Delta variant (has more time to develop before discovery) and it may explain the rapid spreading, because more infected people run around uncontrolled without symptoms.
Makes sense to me.Being a total naturalpath from farming organic foods and medicines to tiny houses community. I share the home lifestyle with 20 members in our unvaccinated community.
Castle: So then you live in a pretty much self-contained community of 20 people with very little exposure to the outside world?
The Government has already totally destroyed my arts and entertainment, hands on industry. One third of all established small businesses gone. Poverty kills more than anything. Plus skyrocketing suicides, homelessness, hyper inflation not seen in my lifetime and so on.. So on.
Wrote about something like this on hubpages 10 years ago. Only 1% like me are prepared for this kind of mass psychosis depopulations.
Your the Lucky one, about 75% of all covid deaths are 80 +. I got my life and daughter to protect from the genecide vaccine, that double speed it deaths already and creates variants.
Our province leader said he plans to make life impossible for non vaxxers
Just, leave us alone....Nazism is coming in effect. No vax, no fun. People have to protest the draconian edict. In New York City, there are people protesting against such draconian rules.
Let's do a stake holder's analysis. The factors are rights, responsibilities, harms, and benefits.
I have the right to become vaccinated and wear a mask. I feel it is my responsibility to be vaccinated and wear a mask to not only protect myself from getting the virus, but to keep others from getting the virus. The harm that can come from that is that their is a very small chance I can still get the virus. I feel the benefits outweigh the risk.
Antivaxxers and non mask wearers have the right to not get the shot and not wear a mask. They only have a responsibility to themselves to maintain their freedom of choice. They do not feel responsible for others well being. The benefit is only to themselves. The harm is they can infect others as a result of their freedom of choice.
Democratic law makers feel they have a responsibility to make laws to protect the people from getting the virus. The constitution gives them that right. The harm is their laws can infringe on the rights of others for their freedom of choice. The benefit is the protection from the virus for everybody.
Republican law makers feel they have to protect everybody's freedom to choose. They have the right to do that. Their responsibility is to those who think they are losing their freedoms. The harm is by protecting others right to not get vaccinated not wear masks and not showing proof of shots when asked is not only protecting the rights of others from the possibility of being infected by the virus, but also spreading the virus.
We are currently a country divided by antivaxxers and vaxxers. It is no longer, "we the people to form a more perfect union" as the preamble to the constitution states.Don't think anti or non vaxxers care if you dress up with three mask on, a fart butt plug. Or wrapped a giant bubble around your entire body. We may find it funny yet would not be against it.
Just consider when your immune system doesn't get to practice with all the many germs or viruses daliy surrounding them. When a super virus comes along and they drop dead because their bodies have not been practicing.
It actually the same people that created the second world all all wars from then on.
The covid third world war, they took out even more money from taxpayers than the cost of the second world war.... Nazism is coming in effect. No vax, no fun. ... No drivers licence, no driving ???
Airlines are putting penalties, fees on their employees if the don´t get vaccinated. It is a pure financial calculus. Refuse vaccination and the likelyhood of serious illness and hospitalisation is much higher. This will cost the airline money and they requestreembursement from their employees. Of course employees are free to not work for that specific airline. No laws of free enterprise and capitalism violated.
Same will happen with other businesses. All will have to do evaluate their own Nash equilibrium on chances and risks.
If this chance and risk assessment is reaching out into your wallet, it may change your opinion.Nurses are getting burned out with the workload being placed on them. They are quitting their hospital services because people think their immune systems are going to kick in and save them when in fact they end up in the hospitals and are overloading the systems..
This also will have a great economic effect on the hospitals and ripple through our entire economy as more people will no longer be able to participate in the labor force.Man who organized anti-mask Freedom Rally now on a ventilator after catching COVID:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/its-n … li=BBnb7Kz
Getting incredibly mixed signals on COVID. How dangerous are things now, with Democratic lawmakers flying mask less, Democratic lawmakers with COVID meeting with democratic lawmakers who do not have Covid, then no quarantining of any exposed?
You can’t expect people who are already suspicious of ulterior motives not to notice the obvious here.
Get a life. Do what you think is best and stop trying to punish those who might disagree.I agree about the mixed signals that are being sent out from the media and the Government. This media is all-controlling, and getting scarier every day.
The CDC seems at this point to be giving sound information. Although we now have Fauci disputing the CDC. Fauci was Trump's worst mistake when it comes to the virus, he contradicts himself almost daily from day one when he told us
I don't want to see people running around in masks. To now wanting us to mask up again, and make sure our children are also masked.
In my view, people need to make their own decision when it comes to getting vaccinated. No one should be forced by a mandate to be vaccinated.
"The virus multiplies by inserting its RNA into lung tissue."
"The vaccine carries a messenger RNA that blocks the virus RNA so the virus can't reproduce."
S u r e it does!Kathryn:
I was should have said a lung cell, instead of lung tissue. But it literally replicates by inserting it's RNA into a host lung cell. I was just giving a simple explanation.
https://youtu.be/SvA1s5S9rQ0
One death from this vaccine is a crime. Its just a stupid cold germ. You gotta get healthy and stay healthy, which means stay off the sauce, the sugar, the white flour and the chemicals/additives/preservatives which are in most of the processed, adulterated foods we consume.
Instead, eat whole fresh vegetables, grains and legumes. We humans will be healthy and strong if we eat what nature has provided for us. When the intestines and bowels become clogged with the overly-processed foods we consider harmless, they become a haven/heaven for GERMS. How the germs love the filth of purifying, decaying waste just sitting there in the intestines. This is where the Covid 19 virus (plus variants,) germs, bacteria and the multitudes of microbes that invade us everyday
F L O R I S H !
During this time, it is important to eat green vegetables of all types, even for breakfast. Raw, baked and/or steamed vegetables will keep the intestinal tract clear. It is also important to walk or run every day. Our intestinal track is very long and meat gets trapped in it for days. If you insist on eating meat, make sure you eat it with foods which contain enzymes, like raw greens and salads.
I do not think its a good idea to talk to people you don't know without wearing a mask or stand too close to them for longer than five minutes. Wear a mask and stay out of crowded areas. Yoga and stretching helps energize the body. Be happy by watching movies which make you laugh or lift your spirits. Also, drink enough water, wash your hands and clothes and let the sun shine on your skin, (preferably your stomach area which helps the body absorb vitamin D3,) everyday.
You will stay well and not risk death and other side effects, such as paralyzed legs or strokes by taking the vaccine.
In 2019, My father got a flu shot at the doctors office. A month and a half later he got another flu shot at the pharmacy. They did not ask him for any medical records / history of what vaccines he had taken. He died two weeks after the second flu shot. I believe it inflamed his heart. He had been in very good health for a 90 year old. He took the vaccine as a precaution, but with a bit of forgetfulness took the a second one too soon after the first. Fatal mistake.
T W I S IKathyrin: You are saying the virus uses your intestines as a host and that is where it does it replication and if you are a vegetarian with clean intestines and colon, you will not get the virus?
So all the scientist who have done research and have developed the vaccine that has saved millions of lives are wrong, because that is the way you see it (TWISI)?...Sure it does!!!Here is even a better explanation of how the vaccine works. This should be presented to all the anti-vaxers so they can be educated to what is really happening when their body gets vaccinated with mRNA and how it deals with the virus.
I believe this is the best explanation so far and it should even be put on national television for everybody to see and understand, why it so much different than an antibody flu shot.
https://youtu.be/WOvvyqJ-vwoCan you explain the increase in "breakthrough" infections? People who have been fully vaccinated are testing positive in the tens of thousands. Some news reports say having the vaccine will lessen the symptoms, BUT the virus still has a 99 percent survival rate, according to the CDC.
The virus has mutated away from the original strain, the vaccine is somewhat less effective. It will become even more ineffective with the next mutation. Soon we will be back at square one.
At this point, the vaccine is working with DELTA to produce a milder case of the virus. Hopefully, the next mutation gets weaker. This virus is not following the typical path most viruses take.RMN: Please show where the CDC said the virus still has a 99 percent survival rate.
"The range of estimates put the fatality rate for those showing symptoms between 0.2%-1%, with a "best estimate" of 0.4%."
It is less than 1 percent.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac … 269331002/RMN: Are you saying people don't need to get the vaccine because only less than 1% die and more than 99% survive?
How about the stats on the number who wouldn't have survived if they had not been treated in hospitals in the first place? I guess we wouldn't have needed all those ventilators and care givers.
Total Cases to date = 34.2M
Up +60,838 today
Total Deaths to date = 610K
Up +397 todayIt's an individual choice. 99 percent survival rate is important information.
To put it in perspective, that is a higher survival rate than if you have a heart attack.
"Studies have found that survival rates for people hospitalized for heart attacks are approximately 90%2 to 97%.3 This varies based on the type of heart attack, which arteries are involved, and additional factors such as age and gender."
https://www.verywellhealth.com/how-to-s … 0GilmartinWhat a crying shame!!!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/im-so … li=BBnb7KzSorry to jump in.
As valid as surveys on heart attack survival are, what does that number have to do with the 99%/1% that you mentioned? Nothing.
Numbers can only be compared if adjusted to the same rules. And the rule for the heart attack survey is: hospitalized.
So why don´t we look at survival/mortality rates for hospitalized Covid19 patients and then compare: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7920817/
That survey found out 17% mortality for hospitalized Covid patients. Me think that is another mangnitude, far more dangerous than a heart attack, which in itself is dangerous enough.It means that you have a better chance of surviving Covid than a heart attack.
You can take precautions with diet and exercise and make better lifestyle choices to decrease your chances of getting a heart attack.
You can take the vaccine, wear a mask and self isolate to decrease your chances of getting Covid.
Nothing can guarantee you won't get a heart attack.
Nothing can guarantee you won't get Covid with or without the vaccine.
This is reality.RMN: There is nothing in life that is guaranteed except death and taxes. But your chances of getting Covid with a vaccine are less than without it, especially with the Delta variant. Its transmission rate is 50% faster than the alpha strain of the virus.
When scientists in China compared dozens of cases of delta to strains from early in the pandemic, they found that patients with the Delta variant had viral loads that were 1,260 times higher.
"There's so much more virus around, people who are infected have such high viral loads, but even short periods of time -- five minutes, seven minutes, you don't even have to be within six feet," Jha said.
"For people who are unvaccinated, they are getting infected with much, much shorter exposure."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/21/health/d … index.htmlIt all comes down to making a personal choice.
Anybody who drives knows you take a chance every time you get behind the wheel.
I do agree with you, "There is nothing in life that is guaranteed except death and taxes."
Please read and understand numbers.
For those hospitalized with Covid, chance to die is more than 5 times higher than for those hospitalized with heart attacks. Mortality 17% vs mortality 3%.
Hospitalization is necessary if you get into critical condition. After some moderate vaccination success in my country Covid hospitalization is down to 1% of available capacity.
That does not mean that there are no infections. There certainly are - with and without vaccination. But symptoms are much milder after vaccination and thus require less hospitalization.
Your personal choice of not getting a vaccine shot does affect others. If you catch Covid without vaccination much easier, this has impact on those around you. In case of infection, even those vaccinated in your surrounding will need to quarantene, only because you refuse the shot. How selfish, why tamper with the freedom of others?You live in Germany?
"success in my country"
The United States is different.
The Covid vaccine doesn't keep you from catching or spreading Covid...so what is the benefit? People get Covid who have been fully vaccinated. People who are fully vaccinated continue to die from Covid. So, if you're vaccinated you can still catch Covid, spread it and die from it. These are facts.
Isn't it selfish to expect people to put an experimental vaccine in their bodies that hasn't been approved by the FDA and NOBODY knows the long term effects. When the rates of Covid go down is that because of the vaccine, or people are developing immunity to it? Nobody knows.RMN: This should help you understand why mRNA has been many years in the making and didn't just show up with Covid -19 and is not an experimental vaccine. Education not politics is the key to understanding everything.
https://youtu.be/-92HQA0GcI8
https://youtu.be/XPeeCyJReZwJust show me where it's been approved by the FDA.
RMN:
Everything that you want to know about FDA approval of the vaccine.
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedn … 9-vaccinesOkay, it still has not been approved by the FDA. That puts it in the category of an "experimental" drug.
...The Covid vaccine doesn't keep you from catching or spreading Covid...so what is the benefit? ...
Certainly not getting sick to need hospitalization and ICUs. That is the main benefit. And spreading the virus is also slowed/inhibited. Watch the first of the video links that PP73 provided.
Vaccination gives a 95% protection. The last 5% and their anecdotal outcomes can not be used to question the effectiveness of vaccination. 5% probability of rain also doesn´t say that you never get your feet wet.There is still a 99 percent survival rate of Covid in the United States.
Tell this to those hospitalized. They have a 83% survival rate. 1 out of 6 will die.
This is all about keeping you out of the hospital. And if you catch it and you don´t hospitalize with strong symptoms, your chances are even worse.What are the ages of people being hospitalized and do they have pre-existing medical conditions? These are two essential facts will put the hospitalizations into perspective.
Can only talk about G.
Over here the average hospitalization age has dropped from 79 years in Febr. 2021 to 47 years in June 2021 and dropping further.
This comes with the predominant age group for contracting the virus: Age 15 .. 35. How many with preconditions would you expect? And - like in every country this active age group got/gets their shots late (only now).
The virus load of the Delta variant is much higher than previous. Me think there is little chance to escape more serious consequences even for the young and healthy population (certainly much less chance for the healthy than with previous variants). The antibody trial and error system of a healthy person simply isn´t fast enough to wipe out the virus while it is multiplying. This makes the Delta variant so much more contageous und dangerous for all whose immune response is not preconditioned by vaccination.RMN:
"What are the ages of people being hospitalized and do they have pre-existing medical conditions? These are two essential facts will put the hospitalizations into perspective."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc … tions.htmlYeah / no, I will not look at the lies of the government.
CDC.GOV
Kathryn:
I really feel sorry for you and others like you. I hope you and they don't get the virus.You do realize the CDC shortly after the beginning of the pandemic changed its COVID reporting standards. They stopped requiring only those who tested positive for COVID to be reported as having the virus. They changed their standards to anyone who displayed "COVID-Like" symptoms. I'm not a medical expert, but I know there are a lot of things other than COVID that have its symptoms, like the flu. Don't you find it interesting some places are reporting zero cases of the flu this past flu season? A emergency room nurse told me a man had been shot, but because he had COVID-like symptoms, his death got listed as COVID. The reality is the gun shot wound to his abdomen is what killed him.
So, I have to ask myself, why is the CDC willing to have such an inaccurate counting system for COVID? When I see COVID infection numbers, I wonder if people actually had COVID or just the symptoms. If everyone was tested for COVID and didn't get listed as having it because of just having the symptoms, how many cases of COVID would there actually be? How many would there be of the flu or other virus with similar symptoms? I have to wonder.
The CDC is an organization that will do what they are told by the teachers union. This loses significant credibility from me. Where is the science? Why would the teacher's union get to tell the CDC what to do? This is suspect.
"The American Federation of Teachers lobbied the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on, and even suggested language for, the federal agency’s school-reopening guidance released in February.
The powerful teachers union’s full-court press preceded the federal agency putting the brakes on a full re-opening of in-person classrooms, emails between top CDC, AFT and White House officials show.
The lobbying paid off. In at least two instances, language “suggestions” offered by the union were adopted nearly verbatim into the final text of the CDC document.
https://nypost.com/2021/05/01/teachers- … ng-emails/
There is a federal whistle-blower who has information that over 45,000 people have died from the vaccine. Why isn't this reported? Nothing about it in the main-stream media. The Lawsuit is real. You have to ask yourself why does it require a lawsuit to get the truth?
"According to Renz, a whistle-blower – referred to as Jane Doe – who is an insider and has seen information on the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) allegedly passed on the numbers and relevant information to him. At an event hosted by Awaken America, Renz said: “We have someone that has sworn under penalty of purgery that there have been at least 45,000 deaths.”
Renz stated that whilst he cannot currently prove the information, he said that with America’s Frontline Doctors – a team of medical professionals fighting for medical freedom for Americans – he has been “empowered” to file the lawsuit in Alabama.
Allegedly, the whistleblower stated that there are around 11 VAERS systems reporting adverse reactions and deaths across the US, and one system alone has allegedly has reported the shocking 45,000 deaths from the Covid jabs. However, Renz believes that this number is “immensely higher” and is calling for immediate investigations into the VAERS system."
https://fos-sa.org/2021/07/20/thomas-re … overed-up/
When you add up all of these things, the pandemic and how it is being handled is very suspect on many levels.RMN: The New York Post is a right wing rag. They have no credibility with me.
This is what your other link says:
"Renz stated that whilst he cannot currently prove the information, he said that with America’s Frontline Doctors – a team of medical professionals fighting for medical freedom for Americans – he has been “empowered” to file the lawsuit in Alabama."
The reason I started this forum is because Fox News and its MAGA cohorts, and many republican in congress are putting out false information about the virus that affects their audience in a negative way. I have shown how many who follow the misinformation have ended up in hospitals with the Delta Variant. Some have even died from it. Their survivors in many cases feel remorse for following the misinformation, put out by right wing propaganda.
I don't care what you and many others do about the virus, but when millions of people are getting the wrong information and are causing the virus to spread. Many anti-vaxxers are dying from the Delta variant of the virus and that is a fact.
I have a feeling people in this forum who are against getting the vaccine are the same people who are against gun control. And they are using the same argument, that is more people are killed by cars and other means than guns.
You are all looking for excuses to not get the vaccine, because it violates your rights to control what goes in your body. I believe conservatives have a fear of anything that they feel encroaches on their property, including their being and paying taxes. Paying taxes to them, is an "I got mine, you get yours mentality. In other words taxes and what they perceive to be big government over reach violates their being to the core.
I would like to see a correlation between anti-vaxxers and anti-gun control people. There is already a correlation between states that supported Trump, Fox News listeners, and those who are infected by the Delta Variant. I have a feeling, they all have the same conservative mentality, getting the vaccine is a form of socialism and communism. The virus could care less what your political leanings are.I would like to know the truth about the Covid numbers. I would like the CDC to have to address the allegations of 45,000 people dying from the vaccine.
It doesn't matter if it's in the NY Post or the NY Times, the facts are the same. The teachers union directly influenced directive written by the CDC. So, where the "follow the science" now? This DID happen.
Now the anti-gun issue, combines with the tax issues reveals you are using a straw-man argument because you've lost the narrative.RMN: I haven't lost the narrative. In my view they are all pieces of the same conservative puzzle. Gun rights, rights, to not get the vaccine, rights to not be taxed, rights to believe the election was stolen from Trump, rights to think the Capital attack was a love fest.
It all fits together with the Fox News/MAGA news right wing narrative. The right to not get vaccinated is just another piece of the puzzle that is the make up of the conservative mind set, along with perceiving this is all big government over-reach and a result of socialism/communism.
In the final analysis, the virus could car less about what any of us think. If it can reach your lung cells and then replicate itself, that is all it cares about. It doesn't care whether you think you have natural immunity or been given the shot. All it cares about is replicating itself for its own survival. It has one purpose, just like all of us and that is to survive. However, remember this, Trump did get infected and he did get the vaccine and recovered.
I find it interesting that one of the biggest anti-vaxxers is Tucker Carlson and he will not disclose whether he got the vaccine or not.Point of correction. President Donald Trump DID get COVID. The vaccine was not available when he had it. At the age of 74...President Donald Trump survived contracting COVID. Do you realize at the recent rally in Arizona, President Donald Trump told his followers to get the vaccine? So, maybe it isn't a right vs left issue.
Tucker Carlson doesn't have to disclose if he got the vaccine. It's his business and business of no other. Just like it says in HIPPA.RMN: You are right. The virus doesn't care if you are right or left. It's mission is to find your lung tissue cells and inject its RNA into your cells so that it can replicate as fast as possible. The mRNA vaccine contains genetic code to block the RNA insertion into your cells and thus stop the replication.
Here is an article from the NIH that shows natural immunity from a cold virus may be able to attack the Covid, but it is very early in the research stage.
https://magazine.medlineplus.gov/articl … t-covid-19
"Tucker Carlson doesn't have to disclose if he got the vaccine. It's his business and business of no other. Just like it says in HIPPA."
It doesn't say that in HIPPA. That is more right wing misinformation. Here is what it says in HIPPA and it even points out Marjorie Taylor Greene was wrong in stating that it is a violation of a HIPPA law.
https://www.hipaajournal.com/is-it-a-hi … ne-status/You need to read more from the HIPPA article you provided. NO, Tucker Carlson does not have to disclose to his audience or anyone else in the public if he has or has not gotten the vaccine.
RMN: Here is the background as to why this is even in question. This is Bobbi Purvis comment to me.
"Hi,
You might want to research the HIPAA Law. You cannot ask anyone if they have or have not taken the Covid-19 Vaccine. This was passed in 1996 by I believe 104 Congress. It protects your health information.
You have to sign a consent form for your doctors to receive information if you are hospitalized."
"Bobbi Purvis"
The issue is: Is a person in violation of a HIPPA law if they ask a person if they have been vaccinated or not? Whether they disclose it or not is another issue.
If I ask you if you have been vaccinated, that does not place me in violation of a HIPPA law. It's up to you as to whether you answer or not."It's up to you as to whether you answer or not."
This makes my point.
You DON'T have to tell people if you have or have not had the vaccine. It IS up to you.RMN: My point is if I ask you if you had the shot, I'm not violating any HIPPA laws and if you choose not to answer that has noting to do with HIPPA as well. So essentially HIPPA has no jurisdiction over the shot, unless your shot becomes part of your medical record, then it is under HIPPA law.
Right now all we get is a shot card, just like in the military. So Marjorie Taylor Green was wrong to say that if you ask her about her shot, you are violating HIPPA law.
Heart attacks are contagious? Huh, I missed that.
I am saying germs of all types multiply in the intestines. When the intestines and intestinal-track stop flowing properly, there is a back up of waste matter. Then, those germs / microbes flourish and multiply to dangerously high levels. Ordinarily, The immune system can fight off the the microbes by killing them, but when the level becomes too high, it looses the battle. Disease results, as germs get into the blood stream and affect areas of the body where they should not be.
The scientists have a limited knowledge of the body and how it functions. They are experts using drugs and medicines but know very little about how God designed our bodies.
Kathryn: Why did God design our bodies to be so susceptible to organisms that can only be seen with an electron microscope and can kill us? I think God should go back to the drawing board.
... the truth remains. Our bodies fight off microbes and have the ability to do so unless we overload the system.
Children (the majority) do not get Covid 19.
How come?
...Children (the majority) do not get Covid 19.
How come?....
If children are tested routinely, the picture is clear. In the UK the 7 day incidence for children is some 1200 per 100.000, 10 times as high as for example the current overall US infection average. With due respect, your statement is plain wrong.
It is another question and the topic of this discussion that kids don´t get really sick from Covid19, symptoms are more like catching a cold. This could be tolerated if all others are protected by vaccination. Certainly worth a discussion.
We should not get ourselves deluded by anecdotal fails of vaccination protection. With now 3.8 billion doses administered worldwide, what are we talking about concerning vaccination sideeffects and failures?RMN:
You have a way of creating false equivalences that compare apples to oranges. What does a border wall have to do with the Delta Variant? What do deaths from hear attacks have to do with survival rate of the virus? There is no way of changing your mind, because you premises is illogical.It seems you are not good with analogies. Many people are coming across the southern boarder who are rift with Covid 19. That has a significant effect on the health of the citizens of the United States. If you are serious about the spread of Covid 19, wouldn't you be concerned with stopping the spread of the people who have it coming across the southern boarder?
https://nypost.com/2021/03/08/surge-in- … sed-in-us/
Our bodies are SMART and STRONG. Why tamper with NATURE?
we gotta learn to work with nature.
sounds overly simplistic ... almost childish?
well. yeah
- that's how GOD designed it!"Much of the study on the immune response to SARS-CoV-2, the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19, has focused on the production of antibodies. But, in fact, immune cells known as memory T cells also play an important role in the ability of our immune systems to protect us against many viral infections, including—it now appears—COVID-19.
An intriguing new study of these memory T cells suggests they might protect some people newly infected with SARS-CoV-2 by remembering past encounters with other human coronaviruses. This might potentially explain why some people seem to fend off the virus and may be less susceptible to becoming severely ill with COVID-19.
The findings, reported in the journal Nature, come from the lab of Antonio Bertoletti at the Duke-NUS Medical School in Singapore [1]. Bertoletti is an expert in viral infections, particularly hepatitis B. But, like so many researchers around the world, his team has shifted their focus recently to help fight the COVID-19 pandemic.
Bertoletti’s team recognized that many factors could help to explain how a single virus can cause respiratory, circulatory, and other symptoms that vary widely in their nature and severity—as we’ve witnessed in this pandemic. One of those potential factors is prior immunity to other, closely related viruses.
SARS-CoV-2 belongs to a large family of coronaviruses, six of which were previously known to infect humans. Four of them are responsible for the common cold. The other two are more dangerous: SARS-CoV-1, the virus responsible for the outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), which ended in 2004; and MERS-CoV, the virus that causes Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS), first identified in Saudi Arabia in 2012.
All six previously known coronaviruses spark production of both antibodies and memory T cells. In addition, studies of immunity to SARS-CoV-1 have shown that T cells stick around for many years longer than acquired antibodies. So, Bertoletti’s team set out to gain a better understanding of T cell immunity against the novel coronavirus."
https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/07/2 … -covid-19/Kathryn: Your blog is over a year old. Times have changed in what is known about Covid-19. Wouldn't it be better to hedge your bets and get the vaccine than gamble with your immune system preventing the virus from infecting you?
"To better understand immune memory of SARS-CoV-2, researchers led by Drs. Daniela Weiskopf, Alessandro Sette, and Shane Crotty from the La Jolla Institute for Immunology analyzed immune cells and antibodies from almost 200 people who had been exposed to SARS-CoV-2 and recovered.
Time since infection ranged from six days after symptom onset to eight months later. More than 40 participants had been recovered for more than six months before the study began. About 50 people provided blood samples at more than one time after infection.
The research was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and National Cancer Institute (NCI). Results were published on January 6, 2021, in Science."
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-res … y-covid-19
"The immune system can distinguish between normal, healthy cells and unhealthy cells by recognizing a variety of "danger" cues called danger-associated molecular patterns (DAMPs). Cells may be unhealthy because of infection or because of cellular damage caused by non-infectious agents like sunburn or cancer. Infectious microbes such as viruses and bacteria release another set of signals recognized by the immune system called pathogen-associated molecular patterns (PAMPs).
"When the immune system first recognizes these signals, it responds to address the problem."
"The immune system is complex and pervasive. There are numerous cell types that either circulate throughout the body or reside in a particular tissue. Each cell type plays a unique role, with different ways of recognizing problems, communicating with other cells, and performing their functions."
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/research/immu … m-overviewKathryn:
"Time since infection ranged from six days after symptom onset to eight months later. More than 40 participants had been recovered for more than six months before the study began. About 50 people provided blood samples at more than one time after infection."
Again, what they are describing is after recovery,. Did you get the shots? Yes or no?of course not. My body is smart and I have been working on a strong immune system. Why would I confuse it by introducing whatever it is in the vaccine. It will confuse an very wise body.
Kathryn:
Good luck to your very wise body.What Kathryn doing is like walking in the street because a few people died walking on sidewalks.
I have many reasons for not getting the vaccine and many others do too. OH WELL!
What's it to anybody?Kathryn: If you don't get the vaccine and you get the virus, it's everything to you and everyone you come in contact with.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/docto … InAppShare
Yes, a few. A very, very few.
Just how many people have died as a result of taking a vaccine? Not simply after taking it - but as a direct result of getting poked?America’s Frontline Doctors—a nonprofit organization—and parents filed a motion for a temporary restraining order in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Alabama on May 19, saying “every plaintiff with children or patients in the target age group stands to be immediately and irreparably harmed by the extension.”
The motion is against HHS and its relevant subagencies and personnel, including but not limited to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), National Institutes of Health (NIH), Becerra, the HHS Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response, and the HHS Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee.
“We’ve never seen this level of side effects for any vaccine without the FDA taking action,” Dr. Angelina Farella, pediatric medical director for America’s Frontline Doctors, said in a statement. “The Rotavirus vaccine was pulled for 15 cases of non-lethal side effects and the Swine Flu vaccine was pulled for 25 deaths. But now, by the CDC’s own data, we are seeing a 12,000 percent increase in deaths with these vaccines and they’re still talking about giving this to our kids.”
And
According to the CDC’s own medical and scientific data, in the last four months, more than 4,000 deaths tied to COVID-19 vaccines were reported as opposed to 1,500 total deaths in the previous ten years for all vaccines, the statement pointed out.
Dr. Farella said that children are at statistically zero risk for COVID-19. The data shows that the survivability rate for COVID-19 patients under the age of 20 is 99.997 percent.
“There is no public interest in subjecting children to an inoculation program, in order to protect them from a disease that simply does not threaten them,” said the plaintiffs’ leading attorney Lowell H. Becraft. “Children are inherently incapable of providing informed consent. Neither the children, nor their parents, can possibly give informed consent to these vaccines, since the DHHS Secretary has failed to make … even the minimum statutory disclosures regarding risks and alternative treatments.”"But now, by the CDC’s own data, we are seeing a 12,000 percent increase in deaths with these vaccines and they’re still talking about giving this to our kids.”
Can you interpret this statement from your quote for me? 12,000% of what? Is the death rate for vaccinated kids 120 times that for unvaccinated kids? Out of 10,000 kids we would normally expect 1 to die in the next week but 120 are? Is that what it means?
Because I flat do no believe that.
Then we have the 4,000 deaths "tied" to the vaccine (because the vaccine was given and then the person died of something else?). What is the percent of people that get COVID survive it and what percent of vaccinated people that die of either the vaccine OR COVID?
It does no good to quote statistics, misleading or not, when they are not in context, when they represent meaningless numbers.
Finally, subjecting children to an inoculation is not JUST for the children's sake; as long as children can get the disease, and can then transmit it to others (whether children or adults), then an inoculation program is intended to protect far more than just those children vaccinated.
Don´t take this tooooo seriously...
An economist prooved statistically, that some guy getting drunk in a bar should drive home with his car. The probability of dying by falling down on the concrete sidewalk is higher than getting killed by drunk driving.
I can´t take all this discussion on not getting vaccinated serious any more.
Eventually it will be like the joke from the 80ties when first Sony Walkmen saw kids on the streets running aroung with headsets. The narrative was: This problems solves itself, because kids paying attention to their music and not to traffic will get run over more easily.
I think you understand what i mean. And yes - the topic is very serious. Only - the discussion response is not (in my understanding).
Highlighting:
"All six previously known coronaviruses spark production of both antibodies and memory T cells. In addition, studies of immunity to SARS-CoV-1 have shown that T cells stick around for many years longer than acquired antibodies."People should have very easy access to antibody-testing, Then we will know the truth of the matter.
It it will be a huge
GOOD GRIEF ! ! !
... and people with antibodies should certainly not get the vaccine.
The vaccine makes our bodies very stupid and ignorant.
Our bodies know what to do ... "Don't mess with Mother Nature or she'll
BOX YOUR EARS"
TWISIT CELLS / Natural Response
"After people recover from infection with a virus, the immune system retains a memory of it. Immune cells and proteins that circulate in the body can recognize and kill the pathogen if it’s encountered again, protecting against disease and reducing illness severity.
This long-term immune protection involves several components. Antibodies—proteins that circulate in the blood—recognize foreign substances like viruses and neutralize them. Different types of T cells help recognize and kill pathogens. B cells make new antibodies when the body needs them."
“Several months ago, our studies showed that natural infection induced a strong response, and this study now shows that the responses last,” Weiskopf says.
“We are hopeful, (HOPEFUL?
!) that a similar pattern of responses lasting over time will also emerge for the vaccine-induced responses.”
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-res … y-covid-19Kathryn:
What your article is describing is how the immune system works after recovering from Covid-19, not what your immune system does when it gets infected.“We are hopeful, ( ( H O P E F U L ? ! ) ) that a similar pattern of responses lasting over time will also emerge for the vaccine-induced responses.
" An intriguing new study of these memory T cells suggests they might protect some people newly infected with SARS-CoV-2 by remembering past encounters with other human coronaviruses. This might potentially explain why some people seem to fend off the virus and may be less susceptible to becoming severely ill with COVID-19.responses.”
- ValKarasposted 3 years ago
0I am not a Republican or a Democrat, or otherwise supporting any of those political careerists. So, playing with statistics for fun -- vaccines are said to be effective from 72% to 86% -- meaning that about 14% of those fully vaccinated could potentially die of Covid-19, unprotected.
And then, it coincides with the percentage of about 14% of potential mortality from Covid-19 for everybody, whether vaccinated or not.
Logically meaning that we are all playing Russian roulette, whether relying on our natural immunity or the one received from vaccination.
Personally, I am betting on my natural immunity, because it is called "nonspecific", ready to face ANY unfriendly microbe, as opposed to vaccination which is "specific" and ready to face only a small range of Covid family.
Since viruses mutate in 10 hours, they may trick limited antibodies from vaccine, but can't trick a well nourished natural immunity. It's the one not having been greatly reduced by fearmongering by the authorities.
Want real science? Study some psycho-neuro-immunology to find out how prolonged fear affects our immunity.
Yes, just like in politics -- it all depends on whose "science" you PREFER to believe. LOL.Val: Do you know if the immunity from the shot interferes with your natural immunity? mRNA is not a weakened antibody. It's part of genetic code that blocks the virus from replicating.
What I'm asking is can your system have natural immunity at the same time it is getting immunity from the shot? In that way it covers both types of attacks
So you are saying, it's a toss-up from fear of getting the shot, lowering your immunity or fear of not getting the shot lowering your immunity.
I don't know about a virus mutating every 10 hours. I understand a mutation is caused when the virus replicates, the copy is not exactly the same as the original. There are three types of mutations: the copy will increase the survival of the virus; or it will be benign and do nothing, or it will decrease the survival of the virus. Mutation is a form of natural selection and survival of the fittest.
I also understand that it takes so long to produce antibodies like the flu vaccine is because it takes years for the virus to mutate to become weakened. mRNA does not have to go through that process because it is a genetic code, not a mutated, and weakened virus.
My wife had been plagued for years with a rash that doctors could only say that it was her immune system going bananas. She got her second Moderna shot in March and has not had an outbreak of that rash since then. I don't know if that is a coincidence or not. But something must have boosted her immunity to that allergy.ValKaras, there is nothing like ..."science" you PREFER to believe...
Science is not for believers, it is for those who reckon and make conclusions.
Maybe 5 months ago there was little proof for the science you question.
But not now. In all countries with significant vaccination the death toll is down and infection rate is down. With more than 3,8 billion doses administered, most of the doses in developed countries, the evidence of effectiveness is overwhelming.
And the USA choose to have a real life laboratory to proove correlation between virus spreading in more vaccinated and less vaccinated states.
You accept shots against anthrax, pox, pneumonia, TBC - because you may need it for travelling, but not Covid19 vax? You accept Tetanus vaccination even for kids (mostly a cocktail of tetanus, influenca B, diphteria, polio, hepatitis B), because otherwise they are not admitted to Kindergarten, but not...
Ok, stick to your natural immunity. If all people ever thought that way, why do we need vaccinations in the first place. The method of vaccination was developed centuries ago. Would have been totally unnecessary if natural immunity always took care. With due respect: Pure nonsense, your comment.
Why are 99% of those hospitalized with Covid not vaccinated?"Personally, I am betting on my natural immunity, because it is called
---->"nonspecific", ready to face A N Y unfriendly microbe, as opposed to vaccination which is
---->"specific" and ready to face only a SMALL RANGE of Covid family.
Since viruses mutate in 10 hours, they may trick limited antibodies from vaccine, but can't trick a well nourished natural immunity.
It's the one not having been greatly reduced by f e a r m o n g e r I n g by the authorities.
---->Want real science? Study some psycho-neuro-immunology to find out how p r o l o n g e d f e a r affects our immunity." Valkaras.
Brilliant.
I highly recommend reading his article on this matter too.
I'm an open and trusting person. When it comes to Bankers, pharmaceutical, Big Government and multimedia, I would not be trusting.
Since the roll out of vaccines, covid death have doubled in speed. People are told what work they can and can't not do. They Live on your savings and suppose to stay away from everyone.
I rather take the covid and have my 99.50 chance of survival. Than to cut out all the most important things and people in my life.
The fear and isolation is the worst thing for your immune system. This is treason and criminal to the highest degree.Castlepaloma:
You believe what you want, but there is a natural order to everything. It's called survival of the fittest and how well a species adapts to change. If anti-vaxxers don't want to get vaccinated, the virus will deal with them and then there goes their gene pool. It's natures way of dealing with survival of the fittiest...Good luck.I'm vaccinated more than probably anyone on line here for touring 4 continents. Just not this experimential mix cocktail for jabs for jobs.
Actually T Rex is the fittest for his time. Yet it was the species who were most adaptabal like taridergrade and jellyfish for more than 500 millions years are the flexibility winners. I'm like the 1% who has been preparing for this 10 years ago.
The people who follow tyranny or T Rex will die off sooner.
Who could that be today?Castle: To answer your question, it could probably be you. What you are calling experimental has saved literally thousands of lives. You do what you want, but your are not only jeopardizing others, but your own gene pool.
The fact that you toured four continents and received all those vaccines was probably before Covid. Those vaccines were probably anti-bodies, not genetic code. mRNA is a world of difference compared to a weakened virus antibody.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/hea … 915465002/https://youtu.be/X29lF43mUlo
The immune system is far stronger than any viruses or disease. According to WHO Covid in not in the top ten ways to die globally. Isolation and fear cases most damage to our immune systems.
One example is only O.005 have died or give it over inflation ridiculously 1% will die from Covid so far on earth. Heart disease 32% of people will die of all people. What is the no brainer on what to focus, for our human species survival?
This is a propreganda Machine and a distraction for the collapse of the monotary system that's gone into super hyper inflation, not ever seen. Covid killing us and harming us far greater with skyrocketing anti relationships, poverty, isolation, disinformation, suicides, lack of care to cancers and all other health conditions.tech giant monopolistic our thoughts, and big Pharma holding vaccines for bargaining clips for other countries military bases and vital resources.
A medical report 78% of Covid death certificates who are obese and 94% are probably 2 or more other health condition that is truly killing them other than Covid. The 6% purely Covid according to CDC stats.
The wealthy are enjoying a record breaking profits ever, wail 35% of establish small business go under. Laughing all the way to the bank.
Most insane Government and wealthy gone wild. Take away our liberty for temporary safety. We loose both liberty and safety.. then gain tyranny.Castle: So all of that is the reason you are not getting the vaccine? You are using the same ploy the gun people use. "More people are killed by cars than mass shootings. You can be killed by knife and forks. Why aren't they banned." What you are calling the "propaganda machine" is really a giant excuse and distraction for you and others not getting the vaccine.
All the antivaxxers believe that their immune systems will save them from becoming ill from the virus. However, what makes one sick after being infected from the virus is your immune system overreacting to the infection.
It's called a cytokine storm and causes your body to become overwhelmed from the its own immune system trying to fight off the virus. Underlying health conditions do make this worse. That's why people with underlying conditions are more susceptible to being infected from the virus.
People should be educated with the science, not the politics. This is why unvaccinated people die from the virus. It is their own immune system attacking them.
When you get an allergy, it is your immune system generating histamines to deal with a foreign substance. It causes an allergic reaction including rashes, coughs, sneezing, and many other reactions. That's why we have antihistamines that you buy in a drug store to shut-off the histamines. But a cytokine storm has no off switch. The purpose of the vaccine is to stop the virus from replicating before your immune system goes into a cytokine storm.
https://youtu.be/z5m0tNII9NEI'm living proof that the immune system is more powerful than any viruses. Traveling in about 70 third world countries, more vaccinated than anyone I know. Just not this messup guinea pig experimental cocktail that killed all lab animals vaccined.
Too much labeling and dividing people like the propreganda wealthy can pick on. Then the Government joins on the weak like 95% Covid victims over age 50 die of covid. In order to steal their social security. Just follow the top money you fine Big Pharma dominated and high technology record profits. Vaxxers most often automatically label me with Trump antivaxxer, right wing Christians extremes and so on. Not me every thing in moderation. These one-sided vaccines is the greatest extremist ever came across in my lifetime.
Just the terrorism front lines for two decades was bull also. You more likely to be killed by an infant weapon than a middle East terrorism in America.
Same group of people doing this with biological weapons who went to a new level. Regardless of when there is 10 greater things than Covid that kill us.
My education of the fittest is in natural foods, sleep and medcines. Not the leading cause of death in the world, the mainstream medical profession.
Top 4
Heart disease
Cancer
Medical error
Prescription drug.Generally dislike politicians, with the exception of Ron Paul.
America Masks are just psychological a form of manipulation. Many reputable physicians
And scientist have said they are worthless and potential harmful. Lockdowns are meant to condition people to obey without question. A Nation of people who of people who just do what they are told by the experts. Is a Nation ripe of decency and force into tyranny.Castle: We buy you books and what do you do? You take them home and tear the pages out. I truly hope your great immune system gets through all of this. Take away all the politics and the virus would still be here and making people sick and killing them, except you and the other antivaxxers. Why is it now so many antivaxxers are ending up in hospitals? Some are even dying from the virus.
Antivaxxer don't and want any kind of vaccines, not me, just Covid.
Love books and history, yet by most important history and best is my family history.
Half my family tree have died of heart disease . Have one Mexican sister in law who we assume died of Covid. It turned out false which is going be like delta variant.
Live an eco village of non Covid vaxxers. Will wait out the possible genocide for 2 years.
2 million 2020 Covid deaths ÷into 7.8 billion comes to less than 0.05 total deaths in one year.
I stay away from all the maddness and fighting over Covid in our cosy happy village.
Good luck with Covid, will help after the fallout.That's fine. For those of us in actual cities, we have greater exposure to the virus, so we'll choose to take more precautions, including vaccination.
Move to the country or Mexico where most don't fear so much about covid. Cities are I'll already, it's your life or death.
Exactly.
Then add the fact that 95% of those that did die, had other serious medical complications, according to the CDC.
Then add to that fact that it is almost completely non-fatal to all people below the age of 45 that have no serious medical condition.
Yet here we are, allowing the MSM to generate mass-hysteria, allowing corrupt politicians like Andrew Cuomo, who ordered those sick with covid be put into Nursing Homes, exposing the most vulnerable to the virus, to tell us we need to vaccinate, shut down society, etc.
If you are a sane individual able to rationalize and do research for yourself, you have probably gotten to the point where you feel America, if not the whole world, is losing its mind... the insane have taken control of the insane asylum.
Maybe this is how it gets before a global societal collapse comes, hard to so say... when previously rational people go nuts and start demanding you take a vaccine, and wear masks, and stay home... when clearly there is no serious threat out there to healthy people, what else do you call this?Ken:
I don't see anything hysterical or insane that is going on other than those who are concerned about big government taking away their rights by asking them to wear masks and get the vaccine to not only protect themselves from the virus, but others as well.
I have both shots and wear a mask whenever I'm in a crowded situation. I don't feel insane or feel that my rights are being taken away. I feel like a responsible person who is doing his part to combat a pandemic virus. Getting the two shots was a great relief for me and my family.
It's my opinion that the same mentality that is used for "they are coming for my guns" is the same mentality that is used by antivaxxers. It all fits together with thinking big government is trying to control you.Isn´t this only about getting vaccinated, wearing masks and keeping distance?
Apparently there is a politically triggered hesitance to vaccination. This enables more contageous variants to develop and if the situation is not contained soon, other variants can emerge.
So, if we set aside personal reasoning for not getting vaccinated, when hospitals are overrun, what should be done? Close hospitals? Say it is all fake? What will happen to the heart attack patients who can´t be helped? Kick out the Covid patients because CVD patients need the beds? (to pick up the false statement: CVD is supposedly more likely to cause death that Covid) ?
If bottlenecks occur, matters get complicated. If personal decisions for not getting vaccinated create bottlenecks and consequences, then who is to blame?
I can only hope that health insurance policies will take care of this by increasing premium for unvaccinated. If the matter goes straight through your wallet, it may change the attitude.
PP73: I think it is useless. All arguments you rightly bring up have been brought somewhere else in this forum, either in this thread or in other related discussions. Apparently doesn´t get us anywhere.
And they won´t answer the question on how the pandemic should be finished for good, because for them there is no pandemic.
A lot of ignorance and egoism and self overestimation.Your point is a good one. Not many will discuss how we rid ourselves of COVID before it becomes something we can't get rid of. I blame our Government and media for not concentrating on the fact that this virus will likely mutate, and continue to mutate until we can stamp it out with a huge herd. A herd that could be easily formed with the vaccine.
We don't know what another mutation will bring, it could be catastrophic. The government needs to put forth facts on what typical viruses and that mutations can't really be predicted. Here in the US people are much confused due to the daily walk backs and flip-flops...
I think the media should concentrate on what could come of this, not stats... Many are just considering the stats, and feeling comfortable with the numbers. Not realizing this virus needs to be stopped due to its very virulent unpredictable nature.Doubt those resisting the vaccines will listen to the government, especially when you've got Trump, Rand Paul, and DeSantis undermining the top specialist who has been warning of variants for a long time.
But happy to see some on the right understanding the dangers the variants will pose. Bravo.OK, I did some research, I was about to argue that the vaccine would not help with "stamping out" Covid. And in truth, as we see it has mutated already, there is a good chance it might not... but to be fair I found this:
syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) and Alphainfluenzavirus are RNA viruses that cause coronavirus disease-19 and influenza, respectively. Both viruses infect the respiratory tract, show similar symptoms, and use surface proteins to infect the host. Influenza requires hemagglutinin and neuraminidase to infect, whereas SARS-CoV-2 uses protein S. Both viruses depend on a viral RNA polymerase to express their proteins, but only SARS-CoV-2 has a proofreading mechanism, which results in a low mutation rate compared to influenza. E1KC4 and camostat mesylate are potential inhibitors of SARS-CoV-2 S protein, achieving an effect similar to oseltamivir. Due to the SARS-CoV-2 low mutation rate, nucleoside analogs have been developed (such as EIDD-2801), which insert lethal mutations in the viral RNA. Furthermore, the SARS-CoV-2 low mutation rate suggests that a vaccine, as well as the immunity developed in recovered patients, could provide long-lasting protection compared to vaccines against influenza, which are rendered obsolete as the virus mutates.
So the question now becomes why don't they come out and tell people this?
The effort from DC and some Governors to communicate to Americans seems to be "DO IT because we ordered you to do it, or else" as well as "You'll have to carry ID showing you got your vaccine".
If the President had a 10 minute Address the Nation program that all the networks covered and he explained (more thoroughly and more layman terms) that one quoted paragraph above so that Americans understood what was being asked of them... I bet there would be far less resistance.
I still wouldn't let my two sons get it, because the reaction to the vaccine is more likely to be harmful, even fatal, to them compared to the risk of the virus, but that too could be explained in the Address. Or they could hold off on boys 18 and under getting the vaccine until they discover the causes and find a resolution to the problem.
Now Biden did come out and tackle Covid in such an address months ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZBquj94CGU
But there was no explanations like I noted above. In fact that was so tough to watch as he rambled on and occasionally lost track of what he was talking about... maybe we need him to get up there, say a few words, and then hand it off to a Medical expert to explain, using a couple charts.
When more experts are presented that explain why the vaccine is safe, and explain that it will curb Covid... unlike their inability to curb the Flu, I think a lot more people would support it.
Right now, still have a lot of doubts, and all the research I have done has done nothing to alleviate my concerns... because there are still a lot of debates and concerns throughout the Medical field (CDC, WHO included) regarding Covid and the Vaccines.Ken: It's all about education and science, not politics. I agree with you. The government needs an education program about what the virus is and what the vaccine does to prevent the virus from spreading and replicating.
Like any good education program, it needs to be presented at the lowest comprehension level. That is what I've been trying to do in this forum, but people get all wrapped up in the politics of the virus. The problem is scientist speak at much higher level than most people can comprehend.Its all very disturbing. Who can act like it will just all go away? That there is not suffering on all fronts. That our lives are forever disrupted. I've been told that, in general, Boomers are angry.
Yeah, cause we had the most normal of lives and now they're
G O N EHonestly, most of us are less trustworthy of our government when the opposing party is in power. Can you imagine if Trump had told his followers he got the vaccine in January and encouraged them to do so as well? We'd likely be around 80-85% of the country vaccinated by now.
It had to take one hell of a sociopath to want to extend a deadly pandemic by hiding that fact and allowing right-wing media to promote and anti-vaccine messaging campaign.
If Chris and PP are having an angry discussion with me.
Then we all loose because angry is too inefficient. Slandering also gets us nowhere for nobody.
We all have shared sacred human rights to each of our own bodies and love to share healthy lifestyle in fact it's my profession lately.
The assume authorities want to take these human rights away. As I warned many months ago about mandates and most disagree again.
I suppose anyone toward their suicide or genocide for their own weakness and wishes. Just don't forced me as a volunteer guinea pig to join all the other vaccines lad animals who died for their worshipped billionaires..
My family is safe due to professional healthy housing and health product sales. We are not daze and confused by politicians and toxic products. Plus Covid 19 Pounds 78% die of.
This viruse can not be stopped. Yet can be controled, just like how we controled the flu for 100 year. In adult life I did not catch the flu. Wonder if it was the flu shots, I didn't take.I don't get the flu vaccine yearly, so hard to argue with people about getting the Covid vaccine. I don't see the flu as a threat to myself, so I can understand this thinking.
But I also see a significant difference in the flu, which is contagious for a day, as opposed to Covid with a ten day period. Also, the death rate for Covid is currently 3x higher than the flu. So, while similar, definitely some differences that one should consider.Flu deaths overall are greater death numbers during my lifetime and far greater in human history.
Complicated and confusing is the order of the day Concerning the Covid numbers by many doctors and sciencist.
You would rather get the cold/flu, fight it off naturally with your own T cells and antibodies You would rather activate the natural system (within your own body) which p r o d u c e s the antibodies which W I L L fight off that virus and any other viruses and variations/ mutations that invade.
ME TOO!
After all, HEALTH as you say, IS wealth.
and on top of that we, the fittest, will survive.
Yay us! ... and all those who know/acknowldge the truth.
- ValKarasposted 3 years ago0
Chriss57 -- Nobody's comment here is a "pure nonsense". We are all civilized commenters respecting others' right to a different opinion. That's what freedom of speech is all about. Furthermore, yes, science certainly IS a "matter of belief", ever since it has become a dogma of the mainstream -- according to some medical scientists who have been silenced in style of a Medical Inquisition.
There are totally scientific, yet different intellectual tastes involved between academics in fields of medicine, physics, history, origin of man, nutrition...etc. Nobody is holding the bag with the ultimate truth, and the same goes for those in business of vaccines, which, by the way, haven't been tested by an independent lab, but by the labs of the producers.
And, if vaccines are really so safe, why is it that their producers are not liable?
In the US alone every year about 350,000 people die from so called iatrogenic causes -- or the ones referring to medical and pharmaceutical screwups. Why are this vaccines to be viewed out of those statistics? Because they are as "scientifically based" as all those drugs and treatments that kill all those 350,000 patients each and every year?
None of the statistics in department of vaccinations matter one bit, because many factors are involved in someone's benefiting or not from vaccination, Seeing it as universally effective is against any empirical logic. Namely, any psycho-neuro-immunologist will tell you how this prolonged fearmongering has lowered people's immunity. So, it's not so much about "how lethal" the virus is, but how weakened our immunity has become -- whether from prolonged fearmongering, isolation, financial uncertainties, or from any preexisting genetic predisposition or ongoing diagnoses.
Again, too much is at play in all this, and we just can't use a broad brush here to paint vaccines in some vibrant rosy colors.
The bottom line is -- to each their own, let everyone be responsible for their own health without being coerced into doing what is against their logicalness..
After all, what are those vaccinated worried about -- they can't get sick, for if they can, why did they get vaccinated?Relying on your own health and immune system to fight a deadly pandemic is nonsense. Period. You simply can´t meditate or lifestyle the virus away.
With respect to the numbers you gave on the US: I read that the average life expectancy in the US has dropped 1,5 years in 2020, now at 77 years from birth. I think we can assume that your 350 kilo screwups per years was already accounted for in previous years. As far as i understand the life expectancy drop was assigned to Covid19 and intensified drug abuse (some 50/50) https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru … w-ii-covid
I know that a lot of folks like you with resistance to vaccination are still out on the streets and endanger their fellow neighbours by catching and spreading the virus. It is not about personal choice. It is about protecting others.
- ValKarasposted 3 years ago0
Mike -- A friendly response to your line of thinking...
I haven't been for a yearly medical checkup for some 15 years, and during all this covid-racket I've been quite exposed to the virus, without getting sick. You see, I don't believe that medicine is necessary for my survival.
Actually, talking about survival, that Darwinian phrase "survival of the fittest" may apply to the animal and plant kingdoms, whereas in humans it is "survival of the most conscious".
When you study epigenetics, you come to the new medicine of mind being in charge of cellular level of vitality. Virus is merely an agent, or carrier of information and a certain energy frequency, which cannot affect a cell with its genome expression in higher frequencies. We are constantly sending emotional signals to our cellular intelligence, upregulating, or downregulating our genes' expressions.
"Natural immunity" is just another phrase -- there is so much more involved when we look at human nature in a holistic way, not a reductionist, mechanistic way of medicine. We are much more than a bunch of chemicals helped by another bunch of chemicals.
We are conscious beings -- or else we are allowing ourselves to be a biological robots programmed by the authorities of a whole garden variety.
Just because medical and political authorities are so loud these days, that doesn't make them correct.
Many of those vaccinated may be helped by sheer placebo effect, feeling that they have taken a sip from a Holy Grail.
I am not against vaccination, I am only against myself getting vaccinated.
And you don't have to "feel sorry" for our kind. We are not ignorant, we are brave, we are the ones having faith in the course of the nature -- our human nature.Val: Why are there so many cases of the Delta Variant ending up in hospitals saying they trusted Fox News' anti-vax messaging?
I believe survival of any organism, including non-organic systems is based on how well they can adapt to change. If you can't adapt to change, the system will reject you.
I believe there are many people out there who are really ignorant of what the virus is about and how the vaccine works. That's not to say they are ignorant in other matters, but I feel that if the media would educate them without politics from Fox News, the world would be a better place.
https://ktvz.com/videos/2021/07/14/hear … 19-deaths/
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1016980224
- ValKarasposted 3 years ago0
Chris57 -- Masks are worn for protecting others, not ourselves. Since you still have to wear it even after being fully vaccinated, that means that you are a potential spreader. So what's the difference for the "neighbors" if I step in front of them wearing a mask, or you do -- also if you take your mask off or I do, because we are both potential spreaders? And then, why do you worry about us -- you can't get the virus from us. Or if you still can even after getting vaccinated, then why did you get vaccinated?
Anyway, I am done with your kind of reasoning. Enjoy your vaccine. Bye. .Val: That's news to me. I thought masks were worn to not only protect ourselves from inhaling aerosol droplets of the virus spread by others as well as keeping us from spreading the virus. I got the vaccine because I hedge my bets based on a very small percentage of people get it after being vaccinated...Two mRNA Moderna shots so far so good.
ValKaras, a virus can´t live without a host.
So the goal of all efforts to fight the pandemic is simply to let the virus not find new hosts.
One measure is to wear masks, for 1 major and 1 minor reason:
major reason: passive, protect yourself from incoming virus loads,
minor reason: active, prevent spreading through the air, why minor? Because this does not prevent spreading through direct contact (that is what washing hands is for).
The other method to not let the virus find a host is have potential host vaccinated, thus not letting the virus get a hold on your organism.
A last word, this not about you (antivax) or me (vaccinated). It is about others. If you get your shot and drop out as potential host, this will have the virus run dry. It is about solidarity."If you get your shot and drop out as potential host, this will have the virus run dry."
This is not true. If you get a shot you still have a good chance of getting Covid as well as dying from Covid. So, if you are a vaxer or unvaccinated...you can still be a host.There is a small statistic probability that you might get the virus after being vaccinated. But that is almost anecdotal.
Anyways this discussion will soon be void if more and more private enterprises exercise their rights to refuse customers, employees without vaccination.
Ok, i understand that in the US some states put legal obstacles in the way of this. Will only amplify the differences between vax and antivax states.
Eventually fear of getting the virus with serious consequences will override fear of getting a vaccine.
It is so ridiculous, this blue and red, this vax and antivax game in the USA."more and more private enterprises exercise their rights to refuse customers, employees without vaccination"
This makes me realize why some of the worst dictators in history have come from Europe. This is no no longer about how to handle a vaccine...it's more about control of a person's life.
They don't have that right in the United States. There are those of us who have the freedom to refuse government control.
In the United States, we're citizens, unlike in Europe, who still think like they're subjects of a monarchy.
- ValKarasposted 3 years ago0
Readmikenow -- Unfortunately, Constitutions allow that those who get elected by voters are not "serving" them, but are acting as their "masters". People are not granted freedom by their governments as a "mercy" or a "favor" that people should be grateful for- but freedom is something that they are entitled to, it's their unquestionable birthright, nothing to do with governments' decisions.
Val,
I agree with you. Is Canada putting pressure on people to get the vaccine?
Hi,
You might want to research the HIPAA Law. You cannot ask anyone if they have or have not taken the Covid-19 Vaccine. This was passed in 1996 by I believe 104 Congress. It protects your health information.
You have to sign a consent form for your doctors to receive information if you are hospitalized.
Bobbi PurvisBobbi: Thank you for pointing that out. This is straight from the HIPAA Journal.
https://www.hipaajournal.com/is-it-a-hi … ne-status/
Easy explanation for dense people. Some here really need it.
https://twitter.com/Klefti/status/1419137012808835072IslandBites: LMAOROTF!!! Thank you for that. I needed a good laugh.
It is good isn't it?
But now I'm hearing that the death toll from COVID is falling, so we don't need vaccinations. Just as we don't need drunk driving laws because the death toll from DUI has fallen. Or we don't need the TSA because 911 has not been repeated. Or a military because we haven't been attacked in 70 years.
The thinking behind "We don't need <whatever> because it works and solved the problem it was designed for is beyond me.
Kathryn: Only because the FDA hasn't approved it yet. How many people has it prevented from getting the virus?
It has also done quite a bit of damage to people. Thousands dead from the vaccine, thousands dead after the vaccine, vaccinated people still catching COVID and dying from it, so many side effects, the CDC doesn't update its own data base.
And yet, leaders want people to put an experimental drug into their bodies. Doesn't make any sense.
There was a recently leaked memo from the CDC by the Washington Post...it seems that the Delta Variant is focused on those who have the vaccine. What now?Experimental drug ??
New vaccine, yes. Experimental: No. With almost 4 billion doses administered worldwide, only anecdotal sideeffects. What are you talking about?
The 4 billion doses were administered mostly in countries, who could care less about the politicising that you encounter in the USA. And fatalities and hospitalizations are down.
The narrative from the leaked memo seems to be: Treat vaccinated people the same as unvaccinated people with respect to testing and mask wearing, because vaccinated may be unsymptomatic spreaders of the Delta variant. That makes sense to me, not what you made of it... "the Delta Viarant is focused on those who have the vaccine"...A typical vaccine has gone through 15 to 20 years of research and testing.
This would typically be on GENERATIONS of lab rats and other animals, to see the long term side effects (if any), to identify risks, to see if changes occur to future generations that can be traced to the vaccine.
This particular new vaccine, is a NEW TECHNOLOGY, this form of vaccine has NEVER been used on humans before. There have been NO long term tests done on generations of lab rats or any other animals.
We will only know what damage this vaccine causes to people who get it, short term, long term, and in future generations, in the years ahead.... there is no documented history to work off of... its impact on our genes is completely unknown.
If that doesn't fit your definition of 'experimental', what does?Does it necessarily need 20 years to be not "experimental"?
Then don´t use anything that is not tested for a long period of time.
With a smile: I thought this kind of thinking was reserved to nanny Europeans.
For now the vaccine prevents damage from people, not causes damage.
From my childhood experience with Polio vax, to smallpox vax scratching (required for travelling in the 60ties and 70ties ..to the USA..) to regular flu shots, none of those vaccines took years to develop. And now the Covid stuff? I got a cross vaccination (1st shot Astraseneca, 2nd shot Biontech/Phizer) without even noticing anything at all.
Every morning, noon and evening we let into our body lots of artificial stuff (simply by eating and drinking). What is the big deal about getting vaccinated? Except this being a political (lifestyle) expression.Polio Vax
https://flo.health/health-articles/dise … ne-history
Smallpox Vax
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/ … ted-covid/
These vaccines took a long time to develop, there were issues along the way, even when they had the first vaccines, it was years before they got them "right".
What is the big deal about getting vaccinated?
I'll leave that for you to research the experimental nature of the mRNA vaccines which are a 'new technology' and we don't know the long term impacts they will have, or how they will impact long term health.
It's nice that you got it, be prepared to get it again in another 9 months or so, as these vaccines only have a effectiveness of a year or less.Ken, my job took me to many places on this planet. And until the late 80ties, for most remote locations you were required to get vaccinated to be eligable for visa. Nobody complained, getting a vaccine shot was part of the job.
So today with vaccine development watched so closely and held transparent, why have any issues with it?
I probably get 2 shots in october, 1 regular, updated flu shot and 1 Covid19. If i don´t get into serious trouble, i still have 2 arms by then, so nothing to worry about.
With the latest preliminary information on vaccines and the Delta variant i suppose the virus will stay with us and we will have to adapt. Adapt either by accepting vax shots regularily or by going through infection at some time and after antibodies are worn out again and again get infected.
About the experimental nature of mRNA? The development was derived from mRNA cancer treatment vaccines. In other words, the BioNTech people in Mainz didn´t start from scratch. They only adapted their development to the Covid19 virus. That is why they were so fast.
We followed this development from the very beginning in Jan. last year. The brain behind, the chief medical officer is the wife of the CEO and she is a local of my region. Was interesting to see how she jumped into public focus.It is STILL an experimental vaccine with unknown long term effects and all of the possible side effects are still unknown.
These are facts.
To get the answers to these questions will take TIME.But, do we have time?
I can't dispute It is possible that a rare side effect will be found after mass vaccination allows a longer term of observation on a larger number of people. However, in most cases, a vaccine will show side effects in the first several months after vaccination. The three vaccines we are using in the US have shown very few cases of any serious side effects. The Vaccines that are being given in the US have gone through animal and human studies, no steps were skipped, they were naturally done at a more rapid speed. This new variance has become a supper spreader, and will most likely infect the majority that is not vaccinated. And the worst scenario is if we don't get rid of it soon --- it will mutate as viruses are known to do... We take a gamble at that point that it could turn into something that becomes, even more, infectious, and possibly more of a killer. A new mutation could kill all ages... It's is, unfortunate, but the true science of viruses tells us they mutate, and that it can't be predicted if DELTA will become more virulent.
I think the pros outnumber the cons... It would appear many are willing to take the gamble. In my view, it's unwise to gamble with a virus that the scientists can't even agree on its origin. So, would it not be wise to rid ourselves of the virus, and protect our entire population. At this point, our children do not need to be vaccinated and have a very low chance of contracting the virus. This could change quickly with a mutation.
We as a nation are in a crisis, as a rule, crises bring hard decisions. We need to make decisions that will bring us out of this crisis before we end up in a bigger crisis. Consider how many have been vaccinated around the world, and have had no adverse effects.- why do you say/write all this, Sharlee01?
You want ME to get the vaccine? Nothing you can say will convince me. I am whole and I am healthy as I am. I have T cells and I have antibodies. What more could I want or need?
HEALTH should be the focus.
Shut down all the supermarket bakeries! How about?
Shut down all the liquor stores, how about?
Shut down cigarette production, how about!
Replace pharmaceutical solutions with real solutions, how about?people are expecting others to get the vaccine. They push that attitude. It's not right and it's not fair.
Leave me to die in peace without getting the vaccine.
Don't expect anything of anyone, how about.
It's a free country within boundaries and the golden rule.
I would/should not tell you/anyone to NOT get the vaccine.
I only protect my decision to not get it.
Others should not make me feel defensive.
( so, I toss.)Your attitude not to participate in contributing positively to society by getting vaccinated and helping out your fellow humans is precisely the problem.
A bunch of things are going to happen as a result: more people will die, hospitals will be overloaded, our insurance rates will skyrocket, the virus will mutate and evade the vaccine, masks will have to be put back on everywhere, bars and restaurants will have to shut down again, vaccine passports will be required almost everywhere.
Thanks.You over estimate the value of your vaccine. Vaccinated people still get the virus. Vaccinated people still die from the virus. The Delta variant is something that is commonly caught by vaccinated people.
You do realize your vaccine is experimental?
It has NOT been approved by the FDA. This is huge. NOBODY knows the long term effects or long term side effects of this experimental vaccine. The government/CDC is being sued by a group of physicians because a government whistleblower claims the deaths from those taking the virus are in the tens of thousands and probably much more. The CDC no longer updates its own data base of adverse events. Why? The government is not providing all the necessary information. I think it is because they don't know it, or they DO know it and are afraid to share it with the public.
So, the vaccine is slowly revealing itself to cause more harm to people than good.Yes there is much unknown in regards to the side effects of this vaccine.
But in addition to the unknown, is the known facts about this vaccine, as with many vaccines:
Your vaccination will only protect you for a few months, this is not a CURE, it does not prevent a person from getting the virus.
As the virus mutates you are subject to getting the new strain, the vaccination does not protect you against it, just like a Flu shot doesn't protect against all strains, nor does it prevent you from getting the Flu.
No matter how many 'boosters' you get, you will always be capable of catching this virus, just like the flu.
The virus is not fatal to people under the age of 45, the fatalities of those under 45 that have died from Covid that had no other health complications (high risk) is less than .01%... not even close to 1%.
People OVER 45 are at risk...just like they are at risk for anything, the older one gets, the more at risk you are.All you have stated makes sense, but there are two sides to this coin.
The numbers in regard to vaccinated people getting the virus are minute, and very few vaccinated people have died due to the virus in comparison to unvaccinated.
And at this point, it has not been approved fully by the FDA. The FDA has procedures to follow before approving any drug or vaccine. Most often it takes many years.
I look at it this way --- s far the vaccine has truly curbed the COVID and its mutations. Stats prove this. It appears to be ridding us of the virus. However, if this virus is left to thrive it could mutate and become a more virulent killer. So yes, it's a bit of a gamble either way.
At this point it's clear little is known about this virus, and slowly scientists are speaking out claiming it has a couple of components that show it could be man-made.
IMO we need to do everything to take the virus out, we just don't know what it will do next. IT does appear to have moved down the spectrum of denaturing into a lesser virus in regards to being as lethal. But the unknown is what concerns me.Everybody on this forum:
Here is everything you wanted to know about the vaccine from the FDA website. The content is current as of 07/12/2021. It includes what the reward is as opposed to the risk of getting the vaccine and why they have only approved Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) at this point.
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer- … ccines-fdaYou have to take what comes out of the FDA (especially) and ANY source with a grain of salt.
People really need to be educated that entities like the FDA fully serve the interests of companies like Pfizer, first and foremost, and then the people.
Former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb joined Pfizer’s board of directors in April. Just a few months ago. The interconnection between companies like Pfizer, Bayer, etc. and those that run/control the FDA is extensive.
Anything from the FDA is basically like getting information from Pfizer itself about the vaccine.Ken: Who better to give the information than the people who developed the vaccine? So the FDA hasn't approved it yet. Is that good or bad? So if they approve it and can't be trusted based on your allegations is that good or bad?
My point is, according to you, the FDA can't be trusted no matter what they do or say because at one time their commissioner is now on the board of Pfizer.Conflict of Interest Perhaps?
The Point being, instead of thinking of the FDA as a government institution that is beholden to higher standards to protect the interests of the people... perhaps it would be better to deal with the reality that the FDA is really working in some part to protect the profits and interests of the pharma companies.
After all, there is no chance of going from the FDA to the Board of Directors (and that hefty paycheck) if you aren't doing your part.
https://www.propublica.org/article/fda- … -to-market
Also, while we're at it, might be wise to recognize that the CDC is a private, not a government organization, with very biased/political funding.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/inte … overnment/
And you STILL don't know the long-term effects, or the long-term side effects of the vaccine. It is still experimental.
RMN: Here is the real difference between scientific experimental and non-experimental research.
https://www.formpl.us/blog/experimental … l-researchAbsolutely worthless link you provided. Very entertaining you provided it.
Again, NOBODY knows the long-term effects or the long-term side effects of this vaccine.
And NOBODY know why the biden administration is letting thousands of illegals into the country who either have Covid virus or have not been tested for the virus. And NOBODY knows why the biden administration wants proof of a vaccine for legally entering the country, but ignores people coming here illegally and their covid situation.
Why aren't liberals concerned about this?God help us.
I wonder how he could if he would ...
or would if he could.Liberals will burn down entire cities because a criminal black man is killed by police, but thousands of illegal immigrant come into the country with the potential to spread this dangerous disease, and liberals seem confused. This should warrant a little bit of their rioting.
"And NOBODY know why the biden administration is letting thousands of illegals into the country who either have Covid virus or have not been tested for the virus. And NOBODY knows why the biden administration wants proof of a vaccine for legally entering the country, but ignores people coming here illegally and their covid situation."
I have all the same questions and more... IMO Biden could care less about COVID, he used it run-on to keep everyone recognizing the serious problems our nation is facing, and he had no agenda --- he is using now as a diversion to say look over here, not there to try to keep citizens from realizing what a failure his administration is. There is no doubt Biden is using COVID to keep fear high and divert away from what a poor job he is doing. He has not demanded an investigation of the virus's origin, which is inexcusable in my book. Most likely our Governments cash was paying for gain of function research in China and will need to shoulder the blame for the pandemic. Not pretty...That is giving Biden an awful lot of credit, his handlers are more likely running the country, not him.
The Vaccine is going to be used to divide Americans, there will be two camps... That is why the media has been pushing the message that those who don't get the vaccine are just ignorant redneck Republicans:
https://www.politicususa.com/2021/07/20 … cases.html
You have that political emphasis to define the "anti-vaxxer" as white and Republican. To define them as a threat, murderers, etc.
But those that do ANY research learn a few things... like:
Boys under the age of 18 that get the vaccine are more at risk of having a major adverse reaction to it, than they are from having a major long term health issue from the virus itself.
If you are under the age of 45 and have no other serious medical health issues, chances of you surviving this virus are nearly 100%.
Just remember, they don't really care about the facts, this is about conformity, this is about being with them, or against them... you have the vaccine or you're an anti-vaxxer, you support CRT or you're a racist, you support your President or you're a radical threat to the Nation.Isn't that the bottom line in all of this? It ISN'T about the government controlling your life? They want people to conform to how they think they should live. Those who are high up on the liberal food chain don't think they should live the same as others. This is COMMUNISM.
Liberals are either too stupid, too ignorant or too gullible to realize it. Maybe there are many of them who support it, like they support communist Cuba.RMN: C = your conservative comments. L= my liberal comments
C-Isn't that the bottom line in all of this? It ISN'T about the government controlling your life?
L- No it's not. C's are hypersensitive to the point of paranoia about any perceived control of their lives, or any encroachment on their property, or person by any entity.
C-They want people to conform to how they think they should live.
L- That's funny, that is how liberals view conservatives. It is the nature of liberals to live and let live. Conservative even want to get into women's who, who's.
C-Those who are high up on the liberal food chain don't think they should live the same as others.
L- That's how we view the conservative food chain, with all the deregulations for corporations and elite conservatives who are the one percenters...guess who has all the money.
C-This is COMMUNISM.
L- You have no idea what real communism is. If you did you wouldn't be calling this communism.
C- Liberals are either too stupid, too ignorant or too gullible to realize it.
L- Sure that is why C's believe Trump, Fox/MAGA news, Trump's rallies, Trump becoming president this month and Jan 6 was nothing but peace loving people acting as tourists.
C- Maybe there are many of them who support it, like they support communist Cuba.
L- You are going to have to come off of whatever it is you are smoking.Here is a list of the rules for liberals. I have found it to be precise, and true in every interaction with a liberal.
1. Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent.
2. If you want to know what liberals are up to, pay attention to what they accuse the conservatives of.
3. The amount of wealth in any given area is inversely proportional to the amount of Democrats running it.
4. Liberalism only succeeds when the public is scared into believing that it will not survive without it.
5. When liberalism conflicts with reality, reality must give way.
6. Facts are the enemy of liberalism.
7. Things are different when you are a Democrat
8. A Liberal is any person for whom two thousand years of human experience and history means nothing now that they are here.
9. To liberals, intentions are more significant than the outcomes they achieve.
10. Liberals never think what they are doing is wrong, they only think they haven’t done enough of it yet or it is underfunded.
11. Profiling is what groups call bigotry when they have a problem they don’t want to talk about.
12. Democrats and liberals do not engage in debate, they try to silence you. If they engaged in debate, they’d lose.
13. Democrats are political opportunists.
14. Liberalism is based on unproved and/or disproved theory.
15. Every culture is unquestionable except the West’s.
16. Liberals view the world the way they think it should be, not the way it is.
17. Being a liberal is the art of standing on ones own head and telling the rest of the world that they are upside down.RMN:
I can replace everyone of your rules with Conservativism and it would still apply. Those rules are generalized B.S.
This is what is it like to be conservative from a liberal point of view.
1. They think the insurrection on the Capitol was a loving and peaceful gathering of people.
2. They sleep with their guns to protect themselves from Obama’s tyranny.
3. They believe everything that Trump, Fox, News, and MAGA say.
4. They believe all conspiracy theories. If they don’t hear a conspiracy theory by noon, they will start one of their own
5. They believe Trump won the election and will overthrow Biden and if he doesn't Biden will crash and burn on his own before his term is over.
6. They believe that Trump should be treated as a king. Over 10,000 lies and misinformation mean nothing to them.
7. They think they have the right to free speech to denigrate, insult, and use name calling on those they don’t like or don’t agree with. If they can’t think of any names, they will get them from Fox News pundits.
8. They are hypersensitive to the point of paranoia about what they perceive as big government infringing on their property and their person.
9. They will interfere with the rights of women having children, until they are born and then they will care less for the child.
10. Qanon members being in congress does not bother them and they want them to do well with their conspiracy theories for all.
11. They call global warming climate change, because they can’t stand the fact that the earth is getting warmer because of human intervention.
12. They believe they are the true Americans even though their lineage is from foreign countries.
13. Nobody loves America like they do. Liberals hate America and they and their news outlets are the enemy of the people.
14. They don’t care if they spread the virus from being at Trump rallies. They are waiting for herd immunity and will remain unvaccinated until they believe it is on their terms, not the big bad government terms.I provided rules, you provided opinions.
Big difference.
Thanks for providing the entertainment.
I actually find this list has a lot of accurate statements and it's amusing. However, one only needs to list three things with regard to the GOP these days:
1. They believe the election was rigged without an iota of evidence.
2. They believe the COVID vaccine is dangerous without evidence.
3. They believe climate change is a hoax, contrary to all evidence.
From these three things, one can conclude that evidence is irrelevant to the GOP and many conservatives and engaging them in debate is pointless.
Not sure how this article applies to what I replied to? I am aware that there were no travel restrictions to Mexico. I have a home in Puerto Vallarta and have traveled there several times during the pandemic. I was not required to be vaccinated entering Mexico. Biden has just come up with the idea to require one have a vaccine to enter the US. So, it did not affect my travel, and won't until be makes it a regulation. (I am vaccinated) This is just being talked about presently.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclus … 021-08-04/
I wish Biden would concern himself with all the migrants that are being processed into the country at the southern border. At this point, they are being asked to after being processed to locate a testing center. We have had over one million migrants come across the border since Joe walked into the WH. This is unacceptable in my book.
What it looks like now -- I would need a vaccine to reenter the US upon returning from Mexico, but migrants can just walk in, and be told to find a testing location. It would appear this is a problem when a citizen of the US is treated differently than an illegal citizen. Biden has failed at handling the border problem, he is a day late and a dollar short. This is all so laughable. In my view, we got a problem with a president that can't handle problems.Sharlee:
S-What it looks like now -- I would need a vaccine to reenter the US upon returning from Mexico, but migrants can just walk in, and be told to find a testing location. It would appear this is a problem when a citizen of the US is treated differently than an illegal citizen.
M-I didn't see that mentioned in your article, maybe I missed it.My first response was not about Biden's hope to mandate a vaccine to come into America. It was about his administration letting COVID infected migrants in or even testing them. I offered a few articles to back my opinion.
It was your article that gave information on travel to Mexico. I was unclear how this article fits into my thoughts.
Here is the comment in question ---
READMIKENOW WROTE: "And NOBODY know why the biden administration is letting thousands of illegals into the country who either have Covid virus or have not been tested for the virus. And NOBODY knows why the biden administration wants proof of a vaccine for legally entering the country, but ignores people coming here illegally and their covid situation."
My response --- I have all the same questions and more... IMO Biden could care less about COVID, he used it run-on to keep everyone recognizing the serious problems our nation is facing, and he had no agenda --- he is using now as a diversion to say look over here, not there to try to keep citizens from realizing what a failure his administration is. There is no doubt Biden is using COVID to keep fear high and divert away from what a poor job he is doing. He has not demanded an investigation of the virus's origin, which is inexcusable in my book. Most likely our Governments cash was paying for gain of function research in China and will need to shoulder the blame for the pandemic. Not pretty...Sharlee:
Here it is again. Please tell me why this is irrelevant to your comments.
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/scich … ies-wrong/
Conflict of Interest Perhaps?
The Point being, instead of thinking of the FDA as a government institution that is beholden to higher standards to protect the interests of the people... perhaps it would be better to deal with the reality that the FDA is really working in some part to protect the profits and interests of the pharma companies.
After all, there is no chance of going from the FDA to the Board of Directors (and that hefty paycheck) if you aren't doing your part.
https://www.propublica.org/article/fda- … -to-market
Also, while we're at it, might be wise to recognize that the CDC is a private, not a government organization, with very biased/political funding.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/inte … overnment/
RMN:
"And NOBODY know why the biden administration is letting thousands of illegals into the country who either have Covid virus or have not been tested for the virus. And NOBODY knows why the biden administration wants proof of a vaccine for legally entering the country, but ignores people coming here illegally and their covid situation.
Why aren't liberals concerned about this?"
Because it is propaganda created by Fox/MAGA news.
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/scich … ies-wrong/https://news.yahoo.com/border-patrol-no … 00361.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national … story.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/us/c … sting.html
https://www.borderreport.com/hot-topics … n-mcallen/
Are you under the impression migrants are being tested? At best if someone appears ill they may be tested. This is not propaganda, there is a real crisis at the border. We have had over one million processes since Biden took office, and we have no way of counting the migrants that just walked in.The link you provided concerns American traveling to Mexico...it has nothing to do with illegal immigrants coming into the United States who are infected with virus Google "Infected Immigrants Coming into United States."
Very true, I don't know if side effects will occur. I also don't know if this virus will become more of a problem if we don't rid ourselves of it. As I said it is a decision one must weigh carefully, and individually. I can see the vaccine has worked to cut down on the death rate. Even though it is spreading the new mutation is a weak version, and hopefully will mutate to become less of a problem. You must realize the greater majority of those that are getting DELTA are unvaccinated. The vaccinated are not adding to the infection rate with DELTA. However, there is a small number of breakthrough cases, these cases survive at a higher rate, and do not in most cases need any form of hospitalization. It is clear at this point, the vaccine is working well. All vaccines have breakthrough infections.
Have you asked yourself the "what if" this virus mutates into something that could kill like a real pandemic kills, by the millions per month?
IMO we need to stamp it out, we just don't know what it will do next. It is not mimicking the pattern of other Coronaviruses. Coronaviruses usually only cause mild to moderate upper-respiratory tract illnesses, such as the common cold. However, SARS-CoV-2 has proved it causes serious illness and death. DELTA produces a higher load of viruses in those that get it and carry it. It is clearly affecting more young at this point and spreading faster. The young are doing better fighting it as are vaccinated. But what if it mutates further into not only a supper speedy spreader, and a more virulent strain that kills its host?
I would feel different if I felt COVID was not a brand new novel virus. We just don't know enough about the virus itself. I don't think the gamble of not being vaccinated is wise with this virus. We need to stamp it out.
Are you paid to regurgitate such nonsense by a Big Pharma corporation...
Or are you that far out there from watching too much CNN?
"But, do we have time?"
I hate when decisions are based on fear rather than knowledge
Again, you can die from many things in this world. Covid is just one of them. More people still die from heart attacks OR Cancer each year than die from Covid. High numbers of Cancer or Heart attacks death happen every year. So, people can choose to put an experimental vaccine into their bodies, or they should be able to choose not to.
You and I disagree, I think there are more cons than pros. I know there is a 99 percent chance of surviving Covid, we have NO idea the long term effects or long term side effects of the experimental vaccine. Key word here "LONG TERM."
The CDC doesn't provide accurate data and hasn't since the pandemic.
We don't know what we don't know.Yes, being a nurse I can fully attest that you can die due to many things in this world., and Covid is just one of them. I certainly can't argue that many die of cancer and heart disease yearly. I look at that fact differently than your anology. Consider that cancer is a disease that attacks cells, viruses also attack cells. Cancer in many cases can't be beaten, even with the many treatments we have today. Whereas most viruses can be beaten by a high presence with specific vaccines. So, if you could prevent yourself from getting cancer, would you not take an antidote or would you choose to just become one of the hundreds of thousands that die of cancer each year?
I 100% that people can choose what they put into their bodies. I simply was sharing my view. I had a very hard time making the decision to take the vaccine and respect your opinion. I had a long list of both pros and cons. One of the pros was the 99% of surviving COVID, what truly worried me was that the CDC and the Government do not seem to be being honest or they just don't have a handle on these viruses. And it appears even the scientists are at odds. This all makes me very concerned. We don't know what we don't know --- will there be another mutation far worse than what we could imagine? Perhaps Delta will quickly spread and cause a good size herd. and we won't see another mutation.
I will step away from the conversation it is clear we need to agree to disagree. I do see your point.
"From my childhood experience with Polio vax, to smallpox vax scratching (required for travelling in the 60ties and 70ties ..to the USA..) to regular flu shots, none of those vaccines took years to develop."
On this point you are wrong. I will illustrate the polio vaccine.
The research on the polio vaccine started in 1947. The first polio vaccine was administered by Jonas Salk to his family in 1954. That's seven years. It didn't become available for the public until 1955...which is eight years. So, lets see where we are with this vaccine eight years from now. The polio vaccine was NOT an experimental vaccine.
https://poliovaccinenhd.weebly.com/timeline.htmlRMN: if i understood correctly then the time between mass testing and admission was 1 year for Salk´s vaccine. However production methods must have been archaic, so in some cases active viruses were injected and caused real problems and suspension of the vaccine distribution.
That was in the 50ties. At that time i must have been one of the guinea pigs in the first years of mass administration, when i got the vaccine. Anyways, you are right, vaccine developments don´t pop up instantly.
But that was also not the case for the mRNA vaccines of today. At least BioNtech had long history of RNA modified immune response vaccines.
They had their "prototype" ready in Febr. or March 2020. What took time was to go through all the test stages and approvals. The management of BioNTech teamed up with Phizer to get the firepower of a larger international company for production and distribution. Until 2019 BioNTech was a fairly small, family run business. Too bad i didn´t buy stock when they went public in 2019.
An update and explanation on the leaked CDC findings:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 … 21261295v1
This study looked at the dynamics of virus loads in an infected person. The study found out that initially after infection the virus load (especially delta) is similar for vaccinated and not vaccinated people.
However vaccinated people reduced their virus load much faster than unvaccinated.
This explanation builds a bridge between the CDC wording and the real world effectiveness of vaccination. After a day or 2 the vaccinated people are no more infectuous while the unvaccinated are.
I understand, this doesn´t make matters less complicated, but the new study findings make very much sense.All you can get out of Fauci is it's complicated. Gates, it will be 10 times worst covid waves in the future.
It's nice they have job security where monetary currency systems are domino collapsing, country by country and want simple food rather than toxic vaccines.
Right now, I am fine as I am. I stay away from people, I wash my hands. I eat healthfully focusing on my immune system, T cells and antibodies. Why would I give a perfectly working system a CONCOCTION which COULD interrupt and even R U I N that system?
After all, many have been maimed or killed by the vaccination.
I just don't want to be one of them.
I sorta like living as I am: whole and healthy.
... and I'll keep myself that way naturally with mindfulness.
If I fail trying, oh well. At least it wast't because I acted in fear and then stupidly took a experimental vaccine.
for a COLD GERM.
Ridiculous.
( PS Every animal tested on it died.)Miike, I believe all of the above are the tools the Biden administration is trying to utilizing to make an effort to tear the country down, to destroy our very democracy. These are all concepts of Marxism/ Communism. However, I am very much encouraged that more American's have become aware of the Dems ploys. It won't take too much more, for Biden to become the most disliked president in our history IMO. His polls are already indicating the growing dislike for this man. Biden is failing at the job, quicker than I ever dreamed he would.
Sharlee: Here is the latest poll from Reuters (One of your favorite news outlets).
https://graphics.reuters.com/USA-BIDEN/ … index.htmlCNBC’s All-America Economic survey showed 48% of American adults approved of the job Biden is doing as president, up a point from the first quarter. But his disapproval numbers grew as well, to 45% from 41%.-Just 22% give the economy positive marks now and are optimistic.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/03/bidens- … urvey.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/0 … ing-502439 Poll: --- Biden’s approval rating falls on Covid-19 concerns
The Quinnipiac survey found the president’s overall approval rating fell to 46 percent as some Americans lost faith in the pandemic response.
Please check out Rasmussens polls. They give daily polls for several poll takers.
He is tanking in the polls weekly. In regard to his job performance with COVID --- He is failing.... He should not be offering cash or incentives. That speaks down to people. he should be offering true information on the science of viruses. If more people had solid information on viruses they might make a more educated opinion on getting the vaccine. Biden divides, takes down to American's. He has failed with pulling the country together to fight COVID. He has pitted one against the other, as IMO he set out to do.
American's are waking up to the ploys of divide and conquer, and it shows in the polls. The old divide and conquer ploy is just that --- old, and warn out.
RMN: That is precisely the way conservative view the world, but in fact, that is also how Trump governed this country.
Control
Oppress
Victimise
Isolate
Divide
That is actually what is happening.
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Many of my friends who are mothers are afraid of having their children take the vaccine because of a possibility it might cause sterilization. There are no guarantees in this vaccine which does have side effects such as Bell's palsy.
As Americans we have a choice. And, making people show their card as proof of having taken the vaccine is going against the HIPAA mandate of 1996. I am sure there will be a lot if busy attorneys if this keeps happening.
This is a power play and since most people listen to the controlled media and not doing any research of their own. And, not watching the truth on a few YouTube channels. Listen to Dan Bongino on YouTube--get the truth and be educated in the times we are living.
Until Later,
Bobbi PurvisRepublicans aren't doing such things. They are seeing the madness of instituting draconian measures. Democrats are doing the OPPOSITE. New York City is instituting draconian measure which REQUIRE people to present VACCINATION ID in order to go to museums and restaurants. How TYRANNICAL is that? The COVID-19 vaccine isn't safe. There have been evidence of people dying from the aftereffects of the vaccination. Republicans are protecting people's freedoms. Republicans haven't devolved into dictators like Democrats have. I DON'T trust the COVID-19 vaccine, many of my family members died as a result of the vaccination.
Have you told your local health authorities that many of your family members died as a result of the vaccination? You need to share the evidence for their cause of death with the authorities. It's vital that you do this.
Sorry GM to hear that some of your family members have died from the vaccines.
They won't listen or report these vaccines deaths because of propreganda machine to vaccines the entire planet including animals, which totally insane.
The delta variant dose not give tests. Yet claim most Covid viruses are this stain by mostly unvaccinated. What they do is test for Covid and guess they are delta variants. It's all lies, lies, lies folks.There is a test for the delta variant, though it's not routinely used.
https://www.dshs.state.tx.us/coronaviru … -faqs.aspxThey send the odd sample to science lab and call it delta variants.
The vast majority doctors guess each case is delta variant. Then assume authorities say 99% cases are from unvaccinated patients. Which is a complete fabricated lies.
Try calling up any authority on delta Variant and tell them you think you got delta variant because your unvaccinated, they won't test you because there isn't any test lab for delta variant or any politicians or hospital who can direct anyone.
They are completely brainwashing and fear mongering the public time and time again.
And nobody really cares.Yeah, what makes it a " v a r i a n t, " anyway?
The delta variant of the virus has genetic differences from the other variants. These cause its spike proteins to be different. The spikes are what latch onto our cells and enable the virus to infect us. The article below can only be read in its entirety by subscribers, but the critical part is available for everybody to read.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-makes … 1627637402
There is a test for the delta variant, as I mentioned before. Here’s an article that I just found that is related to British Columbia, where I live. I’ve included two significant paragraphs.
http://www.bccdc.ca/health-info/disease … 9/variants
“The BCCDC Public Health Lab performs whole genome sequencing (WGS) on most positive COVID-19 cases. This gives scientists more accurate information about all of the COVID-19 variants in the province.”
“Information on VoC (Variants of Concern) types is collected for public health surveillance and is routinely reported to health officials across BC. The type of VoC a person has does not affect the medical care they receive. Therefore, this information is not routinely reported for the purpose of patient care.”Variant means form or version of something that differs in some respect from other forms of the same thing or from a standard.
That could mean politicians and multimedia mass cluster of confusing of where ever the wind blows. Nothing Real or biological confirmed or no site or physical place to test delta variant.Something real has been confirmed, and labs do test for the delta variant. Read the linked articles in my posts.
The article shows no place or delta variant physical site where one can be tested for Delta variant.
I can't trust pharmaceutical and Government in the first place. Why would I want to be a Government scientific guinea pig experiment. Only winner is drug pushers and billionairesOkay, I understand what you mean now. I don't know of any place where I live where people can ask to be tested specifically for the delta variant of the virus. As one of the articles says, it seems that the patient and their doctor are told whether or not the patient has a COVID-19 infection, not what variant they have. The test for the delta variant does exist and is performed, however, so that data can be obtained by health officials.
It's a cold germ. Healthy bodies have immune systems which recognize invaders and send out the troops. No vaccine needed. If we allow the body to naturally eradicate the microbes which multiply in the blood stream, it will recognize them in the future and fight them off very easily the next time around. Our bodies were designed to fight off microbes such as these and have been doing so for eons of time. Nature has designed it that way through survival of the fittest.
Be one of the fit.If i understand the link correctly, then the difference between children and adults in fighting Covid seems to be:
- child immune system is untrained (T-cell being naive), thus with more capacity to fight foreign viruses (theory unproven yet).
- child noses have fewer ACE2 receptors, which are responsible for the virus load intake.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03496-7
Both theories may also build a bridge to the much more aggressive spreading of the Delta variant. If Delta virus load is magnitudes higher, then child and juvenile mechanism are less effective, bringing the average critical case age down.
Also i always thought that the serious Covid cases were suffering from an overreaction of the immune system, not an underreaction.
Anyways, all this makes sense to wearing masks (the little ACE2 receptors in your nose) and to getting vaccinated. Especially the mRNA vaccines, because they totally skip the guessing and adapting phase of the antibody system.
All this has little to do with germs and microbes. Concentrate on viruses. Viruses need living cells to multiply. Germs and microbes can live on their own.Adding more toxicity to an over taxed bodies of toxicology of adults is a horrified idea. Especially to already healthy children who are like one in a million to die of Covid.
The Delta Variant is a mutation of COVID-19. All viruses mutate. That is what they do to survive. That is why we get flu shots once a year because the flu virus mutates. When a virus mutates it can cause one of three conditions for the virus: nothing, or makes it more virulent, or makes it less virulent.
The shot we receive is not a weakened virus like the flu shot. It is a genetically modified code of the virus that stops the virus from replicating.
The spike proteins on the virus contains its genetic RNA, which is inserted into the lung cells causing the virus to replicate, thus causing our immune system to overreact to fight it off.
It starts an immune system chain reaction that differs in individuals. That's why some people are asymptomatic, but still carry the virus. Others will have different types of immune reactions based on how their immune system reacts to the virus. Some will get very sick and have to be hospitalized while others will recover from the virus after a period of time.
That’s what wearing masks is all about. Wearing a mask protects you from inhaling the atomized droplets containing the virus and protects others from inhaling your droplets in case you are asymptomatic.
The Delta Variant has a spread rate that is 50% higher than Covid-19. That means if the spread rate is 3, one person can infect 3 people. Each one of those 3 people can infect 3 more people, now we are up to 9, and continues to multiply exponentially.
If the Delta Variant has a spread rate of 50% more than the Covid-19, that means one person can infect 6 people and then it multiplies exponentially.
This video, in layman's terms, explains what RNA is and how mRNA works to stop the virus from replicating. There are no politics involved here, just pure science.
https://youtu.be/XTLYXmgG8DU?t=9
Kathryn: Then why is it that people who are not vaccinated die of the virus and those that who have been vaccinated survive and are not affected by the virus?
By your thinking, those who are not vaccinated should survive, but they don't, especially with the Delta Variant.Most doctors don't test delta variant. They Guess to drive the fear to unvaccined to get shots shots shotd
Kathryn, some types of cornaviruses do cause the common cold. The SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes COVID-19 is not a cold virus, however.
Today it is Vaccine IDs... tomorrow it is proof you are a Party member.
Well said... This is a very kind of government overreach that leaves us all on a slippery slope.
When are you people going to realize we are at war with a virus. When a military is at war, it does not have all the information and is doing what it can to overtake the enemy, but at the same time protect its troops.
You want certainty as to when we are going to win this war, but just like any enemy, they keep changing their tactics. It's not about acting as dictators. This is not tyranny. It's about protecting our troops and vaccine ID's are a form of protecting of doing that. . It sounds to me that you are looking for any excuse to charge Biden with tyranny. This is my humble opinion.I recognize that for some... there is this mindset that we are at war with the virus. I just don't buy into that hysteria/propaganda.
For some there is this mindset we are at war against racism, that CRT and SJ is a paramount pursuit. I just don't buy that narrative/propaganda.
My opinion in these matters is validated by the actions of your politicians.
Those that gather together on a plane without one Democrat in the bunch wearing a mask.
Or the feigned necessity for all people to be vaccinated and wear masks, as we allow millions of migrants to flow across the border without being vaccinated, busing and flying them to cities throughout the country at taxpayer expense.
Or the call to save the world from Climate Change, while just the other day the President gathered for a meeting with the UAW and GM & Ford execs to talk about one day, maybe, possibly, having half the vehicles produced be EVs... by 2030... doing nothing to put pressure on the Legacy Auto Industry, as they and Oil/Energy Companies do everything they can to stall that reality. EU and China will be 90% EVs by that time, easy.
Yeah... your Party talks the talk... and then they do the exact opposite in every action and deed.K-I recognize that for some... there is this mindset that we are at war with the virus. I just don't buy into that hysteria/propaganda.
M-It’s not hysteria or propaganda. It is a healthy mindset that will get us through this pandemic.
K-For some there is this mindset we are at war against racism, that CRT and SJ is a paramount pursuit. I just don't buy that narrative/propaganda.
M-You are now going off on a tangent with a false equivalence. Your politicians brought up the notion of CRT:
"Conservative lawmakers and activists have used the term "critical race theory" as "a catchall phrase for nearly any examination of systemic racism", according to The Washington Post.[10] In September 2020, after seeing a piece on Fox News in which conservative activist Christopher Rufo denounced CRT,[69] President Donald Trump issued an executive order directing agencies of the United States federal government to cancel funding for programs that mention "white privilege" or "critical race theory", on the basis that it constituted "divisive, un-American propaganda" and that it was "racist".[70][71][72] Rufo's use of the term propelled the controversy into the mainstream; he wrote on Twitter, "The goal is to have the public read something crazy in the newspaper and immediately think 'critical race theory'."Considering many of those democrats on the plane who chose to disregard health regulations ended up getting Covid, not sure one should choose to use them as validation. They might have actually proved the opposite, that the regulations in place to wear masks would have actually help to protect them from the virus.
And saying millions of migrants are being allowed to flow across the border is quite the exaggeration. So if someone is basing a justification for ignoring health guidelines on that lie, that says more about their ability to accept clearly false information.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … e-trying-/Thank you for validating those facts.
Democrat politicians disregarded their own rhetoric, as they always do, traveling with total disregard to social distancing and masks.
The President rants about all people needing to be vaccinated, but has a "help them cross" unofficial policy when dealing with the border. Biden forced out the head of the U.S. Border Patrol, even as we hit a 20-year-high in illegal border crossings.
In May alone, the Border Patrol took more than 180,000 illegal immigrants into custody, the highest one-month total in two decades.
Those are the ones accounted for.
As we take in so many new people, not a one is receiving vaccinations.
And when it comes to that suck-up fest to the UAW and Legacy Auto industry Biden had the other day, there couldn't have been a more public slap in the face to all those who are truly trying to make change away from the Oil industry and ICE vehicles.
Truly sad, the one thing I really believed was going to see serious effort to move forward under Biden/Democrat control, EVs and Renewable energy... what a joke, what a betrayal to those who believed they actually gave a crap about that.
All they care about is creating a new Carbon Tax so they have one more tool in their arsenal to steal away your money.Thought I would add, today it was reported that 800 unaccompanied children were apprehended at the border. It is getting worse every single day. Biden is doing nothing to curb the numbers.
Hard not to confirm it since there's photographic evidence of them sitting on a plane without masks. There's the big difference between us. When presented faults, we acknowledge reality. We don't hear a man say he sexually assaults women, then side with him when he denies being a sexual assaulter.
In May, 38% of those taken in were repeat crossers thanks to the Trump policy of deport them for Covid reasons. So instead of 180,000, around 40% are the same people being caught over and over again.
And as soon as Biden offers immigrants vaccines, then all we get to hear from people like you will be how he favors immigrants over Americans. Well, Biden is doing the right thing by trying to vaccinate America first. Funny how it's only America first when it's your guy in the Oval Office.
This makes more sense since they are also opening us up on the Canadian boarder.
Their new calling card of fear mongering is delta variants which is as phony are their middle East terrorism front page News for 20 years.
Before that, more people locked up for marijuana for 80 years, greater than for any other crime.
When will the vast majority be quicker learners? My gut says sooner this.If you believe the delta variant is phony, my county would disagree as cases doubled last week thanks to just 48% of people being vaccinated.
They will not die. They will develop natural herd immunity.
Have faith.
Don't worry.
Be happy.While you feel oddly comfortable ignoring the 600,000 already dead Americans by denying that some will actually die, I'll speak as someone with symptoms still from Covid back in August. It's more than just actually dying people should be worried about.
And on top of the long Covid issues, it's the mental and emotional toll on health care workers. It's the danger that teachers will be in. It's front line grocers. You see, some less selfish Americans are considering their fellow citizens during this crisis.
Plus, natural immunity isn't quite as good as being vaccinated it turns out:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ky-study-unv … 20162.htmlbeing vacinated makes one less fit, obviously.
In their minds it make the 78% Covid obese deaths.Turn into x men super immune woverins.
Oh dog, I feel bad for laughing
Just heard an interesting question posed. For the Anti-Mask, Anti-Vax people, what is your solution to ending the pandemic?
And before you say herd immunity, realize that those who took the vaccine for the alpha variant are susceptible to the delta variant which is 50% more transmissible. And there are beta and gamma strains out there currently as well.
Are you just expecting to sacrifice 340 Americans per day to a new strain, which is how many is the average per day that die of the disease so far in 2021? Covid is three times more deadly than the flu by deaths per day on average.
So what's your plan to slow down or end the pandemic? We'd like to know.This is not the first pandemic. So, it's time to look to history. I don't like the NYT, but this writer is good.
"In other words, an end can occur not because a disease has been vanquished but because people grow tired of panic mode and learn to live with a disease. Allan Brandt, a Harvard historian, said something similar was happening with Covid-19: “As we have seen in the debate about opening the economy, many questions about the so-called end are determined not by medical and public health data but by sociopolitical processes.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/heal … story.htmlSo just concede and live with it is what you are proposing.
The article is good. It shows that historically this is how pandemics have been handled.
There are a lot of things you can die from...and Covid is just one of them. Heart disease takes 500,000 people a year, cancer over 600,000 people a year. That is how it's been for years, yet, our society is not in a panic about it.Yeah, let me know when I can catch heart disease from a non-heart vaxer.
It’s good to bring up this topic, but it’s irresponsible not to mention which versions of the vaccine are involved and what the frequency of observed blood clot formation is. People need complete information in order to make a decision about getting a vaccine.
The online document in the link below was given to me as an information sheet when I received my first dose of the vaccine. Look at the “What are the possible reactions after the vaccines?” section. You’ll notice that it says that blood clots have been associated with only certain types of the vaccine, and it gives the frequencies of the clots. The frequency is a very low percentage but should still be noted.
Anyone concerned about blood clots should look at several reliable sources of information and compare the reported frequencies. They should then consult their doctor if they still have questions.
https://www.healthlinkbc.ca/healthlinkb … 9-vaccines
I will let you know that the survival rate from Covid is 99 percent.
The survival rate from a heart attack is approximately 97 percent
So
You have many things in this world you can die from and you have a better chance of surviving Covid than a heart attack.You definitely missed my point. I cannot catch a heart attack from you.
Valeant: They like to use false equivalence to make their points.
A 30-year Harvard study reveals the 5 simple habits that may prolong your life by 10 years or more.
My natural medicine man is 107 years old. These are most equivalent to Covid or many other greater killiers disease and viruses. Not sacrificing my health because of most others refusing to practice healthy lifestyle. The survival of fittest or adaptable
to healthy environment Let them weak and ignorance die if not connected to nature rather than greedy billionaires. You don't have to be wealthy to be healthy.What is a "natural medicine man of 107 years"? And what does this have to do with Covid?
I have no clue.Your mainstream doctors in mind and body in North America anyways. Live 5 to 10 years lower life expectancy than the average person.
If your own personal doctor lives more than 30 years longer life span than a regular doctor.
Which doctor would you hire?Whatever that means...
I definitely would not go to a doctor who is in his 80ties, 90ties plus.
In my family i have too much experience with people of biblical age. Life is cumbersome when you close in on 100. Bad sight, bad hearing, bad joints and if you are lucky you have dementia and don´t get it. My aunt literally switched herself off at 102. My dad is 99 and my mom 100. What are you talking about. People get old without any significantly healthy lifestyle.My 107 year old doctor.
Farms and bikes every day. Swims and has sex occasionally.
That's my hero not a millionaire hockey player. Or dead doctor at age 73
Yes, but you can more easily survive catching Covid than you can survive having a heart attack. As I said, there are many things you can die from, Covid is just one of them.
You choosing to live a lifestyle that leads to a heart attack does not impact anyone else's health. You making a conscious choice to increase the risk of catching and then spreading a deadly disease to others certainly does. It's like speeding, your actions can endanger others, so there are laws restricting and penalizing people when they reach the point of endangering their fellow citizens. If you want to be a danger, expect some limitations.
Valeant: Your logic is so subtle, but gets your points across really well. I like how in a few words, you can show how selfish thinking can endanger others with this virus.
I keep saying we are all in this together and need to be mindful of others, but it doesn't hit home like your logic does. I can learn a lot from your style of arguing points without getting upset.
With RMN'a comments, I would probably try to prove him wrong by researching the stats on heart attacks versus the virus.
They use the same logic for anti-gun control. You can die from more things than mass shootings; therefore, stay away from my guns. I wonder if their is a correlation between anti-vaxxers and anti-gun control people?Guns are trickier, right? You can own a gun without ever impacting another person. Sure, it has the potential to do so, but most law-abiding citizens who own a gun will never affect another with it.
One cannot say so about a car. You cannot drive without interacting with others. Therefore, there are laws that everyone must follow for our collective benefit." I wonder if their is a correlation between anti-vaxxers and anti-gun control people?"
One can probably find some correlation; anti-vaxxers are often anti-government control and so are those against gun controls. But at the same time, only a tiny percentage of anti-vaxxers deny the value of vaccines while most anti-gun control people WILL deny that controlling the weapon of choice will curb the urge to violence in our society. A huge difference between the reasoning of the two, then.
"You choosing to live a lifestyle that leads to a heart attack does not impact anyone else's health." Let me enlighten you to one fact of heart disease, the majority of it is genetic. It has nothing to do with lifestyle.
There are many infectious diseases you could catch that have a MUCH lower survival rate than 99 percent.
One of them is Tuberculosis. It can be caught through the air. Guess what? Most of today's tuberculosis is, according to the WHO is multidrug-resistant. There were over 7,000 cases reported in the United States in 2020.RMN: There are currently 35,812,164 cases of the virus, resulting in 616,594 deaths...And your point is?
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus- … 54f5d5e187Look up...because I believe the points I make are over the heads of liberals. It may not be something any liberal has the ability to comprehend.
Your argument is that in the US, a disease with a 6% death rate per case (542/9,200), where 71% of the 9,200 cases are contracted by non-US born people, should be as concerning as one with a 1.7% death rate per case (600,000/35,800,000) that 35.8 million people have contracted.
Yeah, I'll take more precautions with the one that over 10% of the population has contracted, especially as we're learning more about the long term health concerns of those that have gotten the disease.The point...IS...it took years and NOT months to develop an effective vaccine.
RMN: Insulting me and others is not going to help your cause at all. I guess your mommy never taught you manners.
I don't care what you do or say as long as you don't infect others by carrying the virus. If you want to risk your own life and not participate in the world to stop the spread of the virus, that is your business.
If the virus is stopped, know that you have not contributed nothing to prevent it from spreading, but you will gain the benefit.Interesting.
I never made a direct statement about you. I made a statement about liberals.
YOU on the other hand chose to attack me directly. It is difficult to have a discussion with people (a group not an individual) who don't seem to be able to read and comprehend what you say. And, they don't seem to be able to comprehend much of anything.
I doubt the believer of the big lie has the science to enlighten anyone about lifestyle versus genetics of heart disease, especially when the science says exactly the opposite about what you just claimed.
As for Tuberculosis, you know what happens in countries with a high infection rate? Babies are given....wait for it....a vaccine. Strange that they would actually take some community precautions, right?Good point, NOW...how long have we been dealing with Tuberculosis? It was first identified in the 1880s. How long did it take to develop a vaccine for Tuberculosis? The vaccine for Tuberculosis has been given to people since around 1921. It was not an experimental vaccine. It IS approved by the FDA. The side effects and long-term effects were known before it was administered on a large scale. It took around 40 years to develop a safe vaccine AND people still can get Tuberculosis. So, if the Covid vaccine is declared good 40 years from now, I think it will be a good idea.
Well, we all fear something. You fear medicine, I fear the disease. You choose self, I choose country.
I fear ignorant people mindlessly following stupid politicians. It a terrible thing to watch.
The hypocrisy of that statement is amazing coming from what you argue here.
RMN:
"Look up...because I believe the points I make are over the heads of liberals. It may not be something any liberal has the ability to comprehend."
Excuse me. You should look up words before you use them.
The definition of Any:
As a determiner:
1.used to refer to one or some of a thing or number of things, no matter how much or how many.
"I don't have any choice"
Similar:
some
a piece of
a part of
a bit of
2.used to express a lack of restriction in selecting one of a specified class:
"these constellations are visible at any hour of the night"
As a pronoun
1.one or some of a thing or number of things, no matter how much or how many.
"someone asked him for a match, but Joe didn't have any"
2.whichever of a specified class might be chosen.
"the illness may be due to any of several causes"
That's twice you have had to walk back what you said about liberals and me. I'm beginning to wonder who the ignorant one is here? You should be more careful of your use of the English language. It would be good for you to know the difference between implied and inferred.RMN: Ignorance can be bliss. I'm glad you find so much humor in yourself.
I have a hard time understanding this argument. Are you saying that because it took 40 years, in 1880, to develop one of the very first vaccines, that it should take 40 years now, after a century plus of experience with the process?
Isn't that like saying it took a thousand years from the first simple machines to the airplane and therefore should have taken 1000 years from the Wright brothers to John Glenn?It's like saying they didn't give people an experimental vaccine not approved by the FDA.
well, that they even could make these vaccines so quickly is suspicious if you ask me
which no one ...Well, I have a hard time with that one, too. 150,000,000 vaccinations given hardly qualifies as "experimental" in my mind - that's 150 Million pieces of data! As far as not approved, it is my understanding that only the production process has not been approved. Not the vaccine itself, and for that matter at least one manufacturer is on the verge of getting the complete approval.
so how did they come up with them so quckly?
hmmmmm???? especially the ones with no microbes whatsoever ever in them
How c o n v e n i e n t !...so how did they come up with them so quckly?...
"They" were BioNTech in Mainz, Germany (at least for the mRNA stuff).
They have a long record on cancer treatment medication with RNA modified substances, those substances modifying cells to fight cancer growth.
When first signs of the pandemic appeared on the horizon, the management of this family owned business was quick to understand that they only needed to modify their development to do the trick on Covid19.
That was in February 2020. In April 2020 they had already rolled out the testing phases.
While BioNTech was developing and testing, they did 2 more things. They searched and found a partner for worldwide production and distribution (Phizer) and they set up large production capacities in Germany.
... How c o n v e n i e n t !...
Yes it was convenient to have a not so small, but still family run business come up with the initiative to adapt and develop the vaccine. No boardmeetings necessary. Quick management reaction.
And this is how things work today with genetics. No decades of development any more. Can´t argue on Vector vaccines and their development though (Astrazeneca, Sputnik V and Sinovac).
Mike, I wonder if you might answer a question for me? I have a feeling at some time very soon we could hear about another strain of COVID beyond DELTA. I can't predict the virulence of what strains will come due to us not destroying COVID altogether. However, here is my question --- If a strain comes along that shows itself to be virulent enough to kill millions of all ages in a month's time, would you consider it enough of a crisis that would warrant taking the vaccine?
I am curious, would the stats and fact a virus is killing many more people of all ages, including children sway you to take a chance
on the vaccine even still believing it to be an experimental vaccine?
Mike --- A heart attack affects the person having the attack, it can not be pasted to another.
or spread through a gathering or a mere momentary contact out in public.If a strain comes along that shows itself to be virulent enough to kill millions of all ages in a month's time, would you consider it enough of a crisis that would warrant taking the vaccine?
"IF" My answer is why worry about what is not happening? This is like worrying about being invaded by space aliens or the apocalypse. What IF the vaccine's long-term effects causes serious health problems with no known solution? What IF it causes genetic mutations the likes of which was never anticipated? Would you regret taking the vaccine then? Would you regret giving into fear? We could talk about IF all day.I am just curious about your mindset. It is true that we are facing a lot of "what-if scenarios with this particular virus. I have followed the thread and I somewhat understand your logic. You have made some good points.
I also can see you put lots of thought into your decision. I will answer your question --- I naturally would be disturbed if I found side effects down the road. However, I decided to take the vaccine so I would not play the blame game.
I see you did not answer my "what if" question. I just wondered if things got much worse, would you reconsider getting one of the vaccines.
Actually, more mutations are not in question, the question is when, and what will DELTA mutate into. Hopefully, it denatures in strength. At this point, it is less of a killer."I see you did not answer my "what if"
I shared my opinion concerning "What If" questions.
When did heart attacks become contagious?
I agree with this too.
A few days back my wife told me they just reinstated wearing masks at Publix, Walmart, CVS, etc. in our area... I am unsure what she was reading, state, regional, don't really know.
We were out and about the last couple days, and when in stores, almost no one is wearing masks (maybe 5% of the people) everyone is still acting as normal, going to restaurants, cruise ships and tour ships are running again... she says to me "I don't understand why people aren't wearing their masks"
I said to her, people are sick if it... they are done with it. Until people start dropping dead on the streets from this, don't expect them to go back to wearing masks and sheltering in their homes... and I doubt any business that tries to enforce it will remain in business... least not in our area.
I got kicked out of US for refusing GW Bush a war sculpture for Normandy beach,
France. Wonder if I will get kicked out of my own country for refusing vaccines of biological warfare.
I GOT NO PLACE TO GOOOOO,. AÀRR
Freedom of choice regarding one's body. You might as well take away the right to abort unwanted pregnancies.
... where are the pro-choice people when you need them?
"Politicians should not be involved in anyone’s personal medical decisions about their reproductive health or pregnancy..." O R demand vaccinations against personal health or religious beliefs.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn … ass-thanksAgain, let me know when I can catch your deadly pregnancy by you breathing near me.
Now you can end the story.I was considering joining a religion who have the religious right to refuse any Government toxic medicines into their own bodies.
Problem is I'm honest to a fault. Plus, probably the government will do, what ever they want. Immune to laws and constitution. Governments are only not immune to the masses power of the people.
If you are vaccinated, how can you be bothered by my breathing? If you are not vaccinated you have a smart body which constantly protects your life and promotes your health.
So I guess it was immaculate infection that gave all those people Covid. Hallelujah!
Science. The Final Frontier.Val, I happen to pick up an interview with Dr. Refield Today. Dr. Robert Redfield was interviewed by Martha Maccallum . He is a very respected virologist. I was shocked to finally hear a virologist make the admission that he felt in the next few months we will see a mutation that is far worse than we have seen. I heard the same rumblings from Dr. Fauci last weekend. I follow Redfield because I respect his opinion flong before COVID. He has been pretty much correct all along in regard to these viruses. He feels it was a leak from a lab, and via gain of function made to infect humans at a rate like few other viruses we have witnessed. He certainly put his opinion out on a limb...
If you are interested to watch this clip of Dr.Redfield here is the link
Enter video at 5.10 https://video.foxnews.com/v/6267214138001#sp=show-clips
I don't think it's a problem you breathing around vaccinated people. It's breathing around both unvaccinated that is literally giving this virus a chance to stick around and most likely become a much worse virus to handle. One that even the current vaccine will not work on. We could be back at square one with a virus that is like no virus we have ever witnessed.
Today Dr. Robert Redfield has interviewed Martha Maccallum on Fox News. Dr. Redfield is a very respected virologist. I was shocked to finally hear a virologist make the admission that he felt by this winter we will see a mutation that is far worse than we have seen. I heard the same rumblings from Dr. Fauci last weekend. I follow Redfield because I respect his opinion, and he has been pretty much correct all along in regard to viruses. He feels it was a leak, and man-made to infect humans at a rate like no other virus.
If you are interested to watch this clip of Dr.Redfield he gives a good description of what he feels the COVID virus ultimately is, and unfortunately where it will go next if we don't control it.
Enter video at 5.10 https://video.foxnews.com/v/6267214138001#sp=show-clipsIt is not wise to create a virus that can't be handled or controlled. This is one of the reasons the world should be looking for answers, and retribution to make sure this kind of research is stopped.
The cat is already out of the bag, with millions dead... Time to make sure this kind of research is stopped.
I knew sooner or later the virologist would be coming clean on how the virus was created, and where it now might head. Redfield is getting out there now to keep egg off his face. He pretty much has said the same thing from the very beginning, and he was not listened to. And it is odd. he is a true virologist.
From the beginning, he has concentrated on the science of the virus.Like Franklin said
To give liberty up for temporary safety. Looses both liberty and safety.
The billionaires have a strong strangle hold on Governments and pharmaceutical who run much of the medical mainstream professions and hospital. That is the leading cause of death in the world. Only saviours is the power of the people and each one of us.
Trust our healthy practices and healthy immune system or we are all goners.I keep thinking of the quote "Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it" by George Santayana in 1948.
"Welcome to 1938: First, they came for the unvaccinated"
It's time for alarm bells. It's time for me to play the part of Paul Revere: "The communist tyrants and dictators are coming! The communist tyrants and dictators are coming!" They're coming first for unvaccinated Americans.
This is 1938. I'm a Jew. I now understand just a little of what it felt like to be a Jew in 1938. No, it's not the Holocaust. Nothing can be compared to the Holocaust. Ever.
First, "the papers." Vaccine mandates and vaccine passports are just like 1938, when the Gestapo demanded papers from every German.
Republicans asked for "papers" from migrants who had broken into our country. Criminals. Democrats said, "No, that's racism." Republicans asked for "papers" once every two years for federal elections, to prove you have a right to vote. Democrats said, "No, that's racism."
All for the crime of being unwilling to inject an untested, rushed to production, experimental, "for emergency use only" shot into our bodies.
What happened to the war cry of Democrats: "My body, my choice"? It only applies to murdering babies, but it doesn't apply to dangerous experimental shots we don't want injected into our bodies.
Weren't Jews injected with experimental drugs by the depraved Nazi government? Wasn't that a key part of the Nuremberg trials? That no government could ever again inject experimental shots into the bodies of unwilling citizens? Isn't that a basic human right?"
https://www.wnd.com/2021/08/welcome-193 … accinated/"What happened to the war cry of Democrats: "My body, my choice"? It only applies to murdering babies, but it doesn't apply to dangerous experimental shots we don't want injected into our bodies."
- exactly.If a part of your body endangers another citizen, there are laws that cover that. Pretty sure you have to be born first to become a citizen. Your own freedom does not allow you to endanger the public.
One of my favorite songs
:Freedom isn't Free:
Since Covid is a war, Germ warfare
https://www.google.com/search?q=freedom … JkAN8,st:0"If a part of your body endangers another citizen, there are laws that cover that."
I would love to see the legal statutes associated with this claim.Look up the word battery. In your case, add the word crime to it so I don't need to debate energizers with you.
The word you used is "endanger" not assault.
Battery is a physical assault.
Endanger -to create a dangerous situation.
It's different.
Nurses know the truth of the matter:
The obese, the diabetics and the malnourished are in danger.
Get healthy.
There is your defense weapon.
Woe to those who don't know how to supply their bodies what they need to maintain a good immune system which can fight off any variant that comes along.
Each variant has what was in the original. The body recognizes the offending microbes.
Give peace a chance!
Give our bodies a chance through good, nutritious whole FOOD!
Step away from junk food, or die.Yes, Kathryn being healthy is always the best defense against natural viruses. Like the common cold... But not sure a healthy body will in the long run be able to handle this particular virus. It may be man-made, made to work its way through mutations, and make many very sick.
A virus that can't be handled as easily as some others we have known.
Just as natural selection has shaped the evolution of humans, plants, and all living things on the planet, natural selection shapes viruses, too. They need a host organism in order to reproduce. The human immune system does use a number of tactics to fight viruses. The virus's job is to evade get through the immune system, and then create more copies of itself, and then use the new host to spread the illness to others. Characteristics that help a virus do its job tend to be kept from one mutation to another, the strongest characteristics are kept, the weaker ones are a discarded The mutation is as a rule more able to infect quicker, and in many cases make the host sicker.
The virus needs a new, healthy host for its new mutation to survive. If the population has built up a herd that has antibodies, the virus will fail because it can't find new hosts. If it continues to find hosts it will mutate again and again --- and can get worse in its strength and even choose different parts of the body to destroy. You are correct there will always be a bit of the first virus, but it soon becomes the smallest part of the virus as it mutates to new and different strains.
If one has antibodies to a virus, these antibodies lock onto the outer surface proteins of the virus and prevent it from entering or hurting the host. A mutation virus will be less likely to be affected by the antibodies due to the new difference from its prior composition. If the virus is left unchecked it will mutate for many years.
For example, in 2009 H1N1 hit Mexico and the US. It was a very bad virus that did not discriminate by age. It killed many. Today you will find the vaccine for H1N1 still being incorporated in the yearly flu shot. It has never really fizzled out. We are very lucky H1N1 mutated into less virulent strains over the years. But COVID is a far worse virus when compared to H1N1.
In my view, we need to treat this virus as an unknown, we just are beginning to learn its origin, and that it possibly is some scientists are now saying it shows components of a man-made virus. Just not sure where it will head.
From the Book, Healing Ourselves by Naburo Muromoto: "Oriental medicine often states that there is only one cause of disease - improper eating. It is food which makes up your body; our basic physical constitution and present physical condition are determined mainly by the food we eat ... The best way to prevent disease is to eat a balanced diet of food in moderation. Page 50.
And one of mine is:
Wrap It Up:
Under the criminal law, a person with HIV is criminally liable for prosecution if they have intentionally transmitted the virus to their partner without informing them of their status.
As we already have laws that make people criminally liable for intentionally transmitting a virus to others, people may want to reconsider the risks to others.Key word here is "intentional." That is a legal claim that is very difficult to prove. There are volumes of case law determining what is and is not considered to be intentional.
I think people who are vaccinated and those who are not vaccinated should watch this video clip from an expert on viruses. He puts everything in clear perspective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wIFAoTVc7MInteresting. One rebuttal.
https://zdoggmd.com/mt-vernon/Very weak rebuttal mostly he agree with the experts.
There is no test sites on Delta variant mainly doctor guesses at it being unvaccined and at 99% unvaccined . Guess what , that's serious fraud. We went through this.
Why vaccinated healthy children they have about a million or 2 chances of dying of Covid. Why are they keeping children from school and offer ice cream for vaccines? Without parental consent, a criminal act again. Hope kids read Hansel and Gretel..... Why vaccinated healthy children ...
To keep grandma and grandpa out of trouble, and possibly mom and dad also.
Vaccination does prevent a lot, but statistics show that a low percentage don´t get protected. That lifts up your microscopic probability to another level of danger - not for the kids - but for grandma.
Again: vaccination is to protect yourself AND others. It is a matter of solidarity.
Before you restart your plea for the immune system, read about her: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juana_Maria
She must have had an extraordinary immune system to survive on a deserted island for 18 years. Yet her first contact to civilization and its diseases killed her.That is total BS.
You can take your "solidarity' and move it to a place where the sun doesn't shine.
If you think for one moment, I am going to put MY KIDS in harms way, FOR ANYONE then you sadly misunderstand where my priorities and concerns lay.
Why don't you read the CDC's own research on the threat of the vaccines to boys under the age of 18. And then tell me again that I should put them at risk so that it lessens "Grandma's" risk of getting Covid.
Grandma had a full life, my kids have their whole lives ahead of them, I'm not worried about Grandma, I am however worried about my kid's health and the longterm ramifications they might suffer from the vaccine.
And another one as more doctors hear the arguments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFERT7t0ICEI hate to tell you this, but your rebuttal confirms what the other doctor was saying.
That doctor literally agrees with what the first doctor said, he says we will never be rid of the virus, even when he goes on to disagree about the vaccination part, he actually is confirming to a large degree what the other doctor said, but that would take "some unpacking" as he said... so I will leave it.
What I did like that he said, was that the rise in outbreaks in the southern states has nothing to do with them being Redneck Republicans, and everything to do with people escaping indoors to get away from the heat... the reverse of what we see in Northern states where they are going outdoors much more during the summer.
Isn't science grand?
As simple a thing as recognizing that people (especially older people) stay indoors during the summer in Southern States, while up North they are going outdoors... and then in the Winter up North they stay indoors, while down South they spend more time outdoors, helps explain the increase in outbreaks, when they occur and why.
MOST importantly for me, he too states that kids shouldn't be getting the vaccine, shouldn't even be getting tested for the virus as it is literally no threat to them.I also noted some agreement, but in the second one, the point was made that the goal of the vaccine was never to eradicate the virus. The goal is to prevent people from becoming so ill they need hospitalization or dying. As we see with those enter ICU's now, the vaccine is accomplishing its goal as close to 99% of people in the hospitals are unvaccinated.
And rebutting the facts about masks stopping the droplets, where the virus exists, which masks do help with seems very important.
In regards to children, you'll have to weigh the long term damage the virus can do as the research comes out versus the side effects of the vaccine. Especially the data coming out about those losing their smell and cognitive issues. That happened with me. I'll go to write a certain word now and it comes out as jibberish from time to time. My brain and hands don't always work together when writing and I need to go back and edit things. I'd keep an eye on those long Covid effects before deciding you're willing accept your children getting Covid.RMN, Ken, Kathryn, and others who believe Dr. Dan Stock's claims.
I get it, you look for stuff that supports your value and belief systems because when you find it, it makes you feel better and then you don't question it and want to share it. It's called Cognitive Dissonance.
(The Role of Cognitive Dissonance in the Pandemic
The minute we make any decision—I think COVID-19 is serious; no, I’m sure it is a hoax—we begin to justify the wisdom of our choice and find reasons to dismiss the alternative.)
But what you fail to do is to research the facts. You just buy what they say wholesale. We are all guilty of it, especially in politics. Here is what I found about Dr. Dan Stock. I'm sure you will invalidate what it says, because that makes you feel better, but please read it anyway. At the bottom of the article are all the sources it was derived from.
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/scich … ral-video/PeoplePower, Valiant, Crank, and others who believe all people must receive this vaccination or they are essentially murdering other people.
I get it, you look for stuff that supports your value and belief systems because when you find it, it makes you feel better and then you don't question it and want to share it. It's the effect of too much exposure to mass media propaganda.
The Psychological impact of repetitive messaging allows the media, through television primarily, bring people in global separate locations together by exposing them visually to the same ideas and concepts.
Propaganda has a way of bringing out latent drives and traits within an individual. An example of this would be a prejudice about an event. Propaganda will reinforce the individuals feelings by proclaiming the same trait openly.
This is used by preying on fears and embellishing facts, such as telling people a virus is fatal to over 10% who get it, when in reality it is fatal to nearly no one below the age of 45 (without other serious health issues) and to less than 1% of the overall population.
The possible negative reasons that may be behind this: power, control, political gain, profit (you can bet those Pharma companies are making billions off of this) are ignored, people who are susceptible to propaganda convince themselves that these issues are not relevant.
Most people over the age of 60 have been so programmed by years of indoctrination into our socio-cultural system in America that they do not recognize that Journalism and News are no longer beholden to the freedoms and ideals they held a quarter century of more ago.
MSM News today is completely owned and controlled by Billionaires and International Corporations, the messaging is chosen from those in control, any efforts of individual journalism and reporting have been left to "crackpots" and "Conspiracy theorists".
Anyone that doesn't believe the Corporate sponsored messaging is a loon on the extreme Right or Left to those who have bought into the system and do not question its authenticity, in fact, many of these people see those who would question or doubt the MSM propaganda as a serious threat, not just to others, but their own reality/sanity.
Most humans are not designed to be able to accept a reality where the truth is that their corporate controlled government and corporate sponsored and controlled news sources are lying to them constantly.
As humans are social animals they feel a need to belong and to have faith in the social system with which they belong.Ken: Do you even read the article? If you didn't that proves that you can't handle what it says about your Dr. Stock. Remove yourself from the politics. The virus doesn't care about your politics. It would exists if there were no Fox News, no MSM and no propaganda. It only wants to get to your lung tissue so that it can replicate and survive. If we were living in prehistoric times and it existed, it would still behave the same way. We have to keep it from replicating in our lungs, so that it can't thrive.
"Most humans are not designed to be able to accept a reality where the truth is that their corporate controlled government and corporate sponsored and controlled news sources are lying to them constantly."
So it is all one big lie and we will either survive or die from the virus regardless of masks and vaccines because corporations are making mega bucks off of lying about the pandemic and it's all about government control? That is so sad.Does it?
Hmmm, I wonder what the actions of Governors like Cuomo and Whitmer would have been if no politics were involved?
Would they have ordered people sick with Covid into Nursing homes to drive up the death rate if not for politics?
Would they have locked down their States and passed draconian measures if not for politics?
Anyways, to me politics has nothing to do with my reaction to the virus or the vaccine, I have had the same outlook on it whether it was Trump or Biden. My opinions come from past experiences with "experimental" or "new" vaccines, such as the Anthrax vaccines they forced on military personnel.
I don't watch ANY TV NEWS so I am hardly influenced by FOX or CNN, I value my sanity too much to expose it to the nonsense they put forth for consumption. What little I see of any "news" is not from TV sources.
I am not the one whose opinions have been warped by MSM nonsense.
I am not the one that titled this thread "Are Republican protecting your right to die from the Delta Variant?"
What is right for you and your situation, is NOT right for me and mine... the difference is I am willing to accept your decision to do whatever you want to yourself, and you want to force others to do what you think is right.Cuomo's actions, before it was realized that Covid spread through ventilation systems, was not to 'drive up the death rate.' He made a mistake and it cost lives. Trump hid the truth from Americans about Covid and it cost lives. DeSantis' and Abbott's mask mandates restriction will cost lives.
You have been at this site arguing the big lie, so while you are not getting your news from TV news, your sources are dubious, at best. Again, same lie made in 2016, proven false. Yet, you buy it again in 2020.
You may believe seat belts are not right for you. You may believe you are so well trained you could discharge a weapon in a public area without causing physical harm to anyone. You may believe you can handle your liquor and drive. Thankfully, there are dozens of things where you think they are right for you and yours, but you would clearly be wrong.That is your opinion about those events, and about me, nothing more.
It makes none of it right, its just your opinion.
Ken,
I would love to see Dr. Daniel Stock's rebuttal to this article. I'm sure he could provide even more insight. So, this factcheck is an opinion piece and nothing more. There wasn't even an attempt to get a response from Dr. Daniel Stock against the allegations made against him.
Does anybody understand journalism involves getting BOTH side to story? Providing a way for those who have accusations made against them to respond?
What a shame people are so gullible to believe this "hit piece" as it is nothing more.Did Stock provide a way for the NIH and CDC to respond to his allegations? No? Then his was an opinion piece as well, just one that got videotaped and shared. Many trained doctors have some issues with his 'opinion' he gave during this meeting.
What a shame that people are so gullible to believe the arguments that Stock's videoed 'hit piece' made against the NIH and CDC, as it is nothing more. See, your own arguments apply to both sides of this coin.Well, it is a bit of a difference.
Dr. Stock was giving a talk and not engaging in a debate. The CDC and NIH were not the topic of the talk, they were only part of it.
The article from factcheck was focused on Dr. Stock and made direct accusations. It was a one-sided, unbalanced article. It was not journalism, but a "hit piece" pure and simple.
As I said, I do wonder what Dr. Stock would say if given a chance at a rebuttal against the accusation made against him.He is now in the public eye, I'm sure he can find a platform to speak out if he needs to. He chose to enter the public arena when he spoke at a public event. And Dr. Stock made direct accusations as well. The only difference is video versus an article - both are media.
I would say in the article you can easily link to the resources used in the article. You can't do that with a video, but he does speak of them. I would like a chance to review the sources used by Dr. Stock. It would provide more perspective.
Indeed, his sources would be valuable to look at as his arguments sounded persuasive, as did those who rebutted them. And yes, you can link sources to a youtube video in the description. Surprised that the poster of the video didn't ask for those sources to link with the video.
I told you guys the sources for the article are listed at the bottom of the article, apparently, you didn't read them. Please tell me again that it is just an opinion hit piece. I would like to see Dr. Stock's sources for his claims as well.
Cognitive Dissonance strikes again. I don't care what you people do as well, but when misinformation like Stock's goes viral and millions of people believe what he says without questioning him and his credentials, I think it is very dangerous for this country and ridding ourselves of this virus.
"Editor’s note: SciCheck’s COVID-19/Vaccination Project is made possible by a grant from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. The foundation has no control over our editorial decisions, and the views expressed in our articles do not necessarily reflect the views of the foundation."
"The goal of the project is to increase exposure to accurate information about COVID-19 and vaccines, while decreasing the impact of misinformation."
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RMN: I like your responses as well they show how you just post misinformation and false claims without doing the research and analysis to even see if they are valid.
It seems like the only reply you have for my posts is that they are entertaining and that me and all liberals are idiots because your posts are way above the comprehension level of ultra intelligent conservatives, like yourself. I take all that to mean you have no valid replies, so you just ridicule people to make yourself feel good.
I appreciate your effort to show the lengths with which you go to find your information.
And while you personally may not be driven by the MSM hysterics, I have to suspect you are influenced by them. Your need to label this as a Republican matter for instance, is something the media has done, until the MSM went through such lengths to associate not trusting the vaccine to Republicans it was not a political matter tied to any party.
In fact, when it was Trump that was President there were all sorts of high profile Democrats happily expressing that they didn't trust it and wouldn't take it.
Biden becomes President and the script flipped almost overnight, now only redneck racist Republicans are refusing to take it... and you aren't one of those, are you?
I will give you some sources of what most concerns me:
COVID-19 and balancing the risks: The vaccine or the virus
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid- … the-virus/
Evidence grows stronger for Covid vaccine link to heart issue, CDC says
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n … s-n1270339
There are others, I just see no need to make a long list, as you did. A long list of people agreeing with or trying to disprove things about this vaccine would not be hard to compile.
What I will say, and what you should consider, is that the Pharma companies don't want negative information being put forth or supported in the media... they have strong influence over organizations like the FDA and many University programs, this alone means there will be considerable support for the vaccines regardless.
Consider the track record throughout history, the efforts to minimize people's knowledge of the negative effects that the Anthrax vaccine had on so many people is a good example.
Consider the profit factor behind it for these Big Pharma companies.
These are but two reasons one should question the "official narrative" and consider all information, including that coming from "crackpots" like Dr. Stock.
Yes some of his information was dubious, but some of it was indeed accurate. And his speech was far closer to the reality than many arguments I have seen from others...
There are people who believe the world will be rid of Covid if everyone get the vaccine... that this is like Smallpox. This is untrue, as Dr. Stock pointed out, we will never be rid of Covid like we have never gotten rid of the Flu.
There are people who believe getting the vaccine will ensure they don't get Covid, that it is some protective cure. It is not, and more importantly the vaccine wears off after several months, requiring another vaccination.
And of course if everyone has to keep on getting vaccinated, those pharmaceutical companies are going to keep raking in the profits. So they are motivated to push the urgency of this, through political lobbying and through corporate media sponsorship as they continue to make billions.Ken:
K-I appreciate your effort to show the lengths with which you go to find your information.
K-And while you personally may not be driven by the MSM hysterics, I have to suspect you are influenced by them. Your need to label this as a Republican matter for instance, is something the media has done, until the MSM went through such lengths to associate not trusting the vaccine to Republicans it was not a political matter tied to any party.
K-In fact, when it was Trump that was President there were all sorts of high profile Democrats happily expressing that they didn't trust it and wouldn't take it.
K-Biden becomes President and the script flipped almost overnight, now only redneck racist Republicans are refusing to take it... and you aren't one of those, are you?
K-I will give you some sources of what most concerns me:
K-COVID-19 and balancing the risks: The vaccine or the virus
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid- … the-virus/
M- I read the article and found that the website, Science Based Medicine is really a blog. Here is the about page of the website.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/hello-world/
And here is the about page of the author of his article:
Jonathan Howard
Dr. Jonathan Howard is a neurologist and psychiatrist based in New York City who has been interested in vaccines since long before COVID-19.
K-Evidence grows stronger for Covid vaccine link to heart issue, CDC says
K-https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n … s-n1270339
K-There are others, I just see no need to make a long list, as you did. A long list of people agreeing with or trying to disprove things about this vaccine would not be hard to compile.
M- If you look carefully at that list, you will see that almost everyone of those sources have been vetted by fact checking and they even list the source article created in FactCheck.org. I did not compile the list. FactCheck.org has a staff that handles that effort. This is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania.
K-What I will say, and what you should consider, is that the Pharma companies don't want negative information being put forth or supported in the media... they have strong influence over organizations like the FDA and many University programs, this alone means there will be considerable support for the vaccines regardless.
M- What the link says is there is a trend of heart conditions but they are insignificant in numbers compared to the cases. Some even recover from the heart conditions. The article actually presents both the good side and side effects of the vaccine.
K-Consider the track record throughout history, the efforts to minimize people's knowledge of the negative effects that the Anthrax vaccine had on so many people is a good example.
K-Consider the profit factor behind it for these Big Pharma companies.
K-These are but two reasons one should question the "official narrative" and consider all information, including that coming from "crackpots" like Dr. Stock.
K-Yes some of his information was dubious, but some of it was indeed accurate. And his speech was far closer to the reality than many arguments I have seen from others...
K-There are people who believe the world will be rid of Covid if everyone get the vaccine... that this is like Smallpox. This is untrue, as Dr. Stock pointed out, we will never be rid of Covid like we have never gotten rid of the Flu.
M- So even if Big Pharma is making a profit and some of what Dr. Stock says is true, is that any reason to not take the vaccine?
K-There are people who believe getting the vaccine will ensure they don't get Covid, that it is some protective cure. It is not, and more importantly the vaccine wears off after several months, requiring another vaccination.
K-And of course if everyone has to keep on getting vaccinated, those pharmaceutical companies are going to keep raking in the profits. So they are motivated to push the urgency of this, through political lobbying and through corporate media sponsorship as they continue to make billions.
M- I get the feeling you are like many conservatives who use the “Slippery Slope” as justification for your arguments, without actually stating it.
M- If you are so against corporations making huge profits, why do conservative always fight for huge tax breaks for corporations? It is definitely a conflict of interests.
M- As I said before, I don’t care what anti-vaxxers do individually, but I do care about misinformation that can go viral and affect the lives of millions of people globally. Many hospitals are becoming overwhelmed with delta variant patients who have not been vaccinated, some are even dying.
I believe that factual education is going to be the only way we come out of this. There are so many who believe this vaccine is like any other vaccine. mRNA is a genetic code. It is not a weakened copy of the virus, like a flu vaccine antibody.
I also believe all state governors who are against masking and the vaccine are doing a great disservice to this country. Especially the Governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis. He is the poster boy of what governors should not be doing.
People are so afraid that they are having their rights taken from them.
I believe this virus should be coordinated at the federal level. It needs to be handled the same way in every state or we are never going to get rid of it with half of the country worried about their individual rights and state rights.
Government agencies are there for a purpose, they ensure that all states are complying with all laws that affect everybody across state boundaries. Yes there are good agencies and bad ones, but without them, it would be pure chaos and that is what I see happening now with how this virus is being handled. Everybody and every state have their own opinions as to how this virus is to be handled. Some are saying that asking for their shot record is pure tyranny, like Nazi Germany. I was in the service, we all had shot records and needed to show them when we were going to foreign countries. Oh you are taking away my right to privacy and Bill Gates has inserted a chip into the vaccine, so that it can track your every move by the government...give me a break.There is a difference between being in the Service (where you have waived your rights and freedoms) and having to show a shot record to travel overseas...
And needing to carry around some form of Vaccine ID, that you have to show everywhere you go, as part of daily life.
Not to mention the fact that you are forcing everyone to take the risks of the vaccine, which as I point out time and again, the CDC itself has said teenage boys have greater chance of having serious adverse health reactions to the vaccine than they do from the virus itself.
What is the next step... after forcing everyone to carry a Vaccine ID and get the vaccine?
What else will you sacrifice for "safety" and "protection"?
How far are you willing to go to force all others to comply?
Jail time, like they enacted in France?
Maybe send them away for a year to a re-education (Gulag) camp?
When the next "emergency" occurs, how much more liberty and freedom must we give up?Ken: You have just proven my point. There it is, the conservative "slippery slope" and "the what if game." I have enough faith in my government and the Constitution so if those types of trends develop they will be corrected before they go too far. I carry a shot card and feel totally comfortable to show it on demand. Of course that is me.
As far as education goes, I think everybody should be educated on the science of why this virus and vaccine are different than any we have encountered in our life time. It should be taught at the national level and shown as animated cartoons at the lowest comprehension level. There should be a time slot for every channel where this is presented.
During the cold war with the Soviet Union, we lived under the threat of nuclear attacks. There were time slots on TV for what they called "Duck and Cover." procedures for everybody including how to build bomb shelters. They even showed the effects of a nuclear blast. We sacrificed in countless ways during WWII.
I have said it before. I feel we should be as a nation on war time footing with this virus. To execute a war, you need coherent policies from the top down, not every state and locality doing their own thing with their own opinions and theory. The facts of the virus need to be addressed at the national level coming directly from the President's office, like a modern FDR and his fireside chats.
Actually as far as giving up liberty and freedom, each time there is a terrorist attack in this country we lose a little bit more of our liberty and freedom. The shoe bomber, 9/11, belts, being searched before entering an airliner or any type of public venue, sporting events.
I try to live in the now, not in the future, we don't know where this virus is headed as it unfolds. We all demand certainty when we wake up in he morning, but with this virus we have to live with uncertainty. How many doses we need and who gets them is still unsettledThis is what you do in a free society... recommend and educate, while mandating to those who are under government authority (IE - military).
Anything else is infringement upon a person's liberties and freedom, its really that simple.
Compromises are made, with good reason, to be vaccinated prior to travelling, to work certain jobs where you are exposing yourself to a population of high risk individuals (IE - Nursing Home), but these are limited in scope and who they effect.
We disagree as to the threat level of this virus and what is required in response to it. And we also disagree on the potential the vaccine has to harm people, especially those in a certain age group and sex.
Very powerful when someone with a wealth of knowledge on the subject actually stands up and tells the facts.
I am sure he is being put out of work, his licenses revoked and socially shunned as I type this. There is no room in America today for such people.Ken and RMN: Are you still waiting to hear from Dr. Stock with his "wealth of knowledge on the subject" and his source of information. You might as well read this in the mean time while he is "standing up and telling the facts."
RMN: I know, it is another one of my funny hilarious replies. You should get a real kick in the a** out of this one
https://www.wthr.com/article/news/verif … dc92a0016dDr Stock is one of the very few who gotten pass the mainstream brainwashed medical profession with a stronghold agenda with tech giants of banning, deleting, chariture assassinating and death to those who disagree with Them.
Most people do not live healthy enough lifestyles is the main problem with their own immune system to fight Covid off like the flu. For the flu shots really isn't working to get rid of flu for 100 years, now the Covid, all animal related. About 96% humans and livestock make up the mass weight on earth of mammals.. livestock causes more pollution overall than oil and gas. Plus most of the disease within the human body.
Many establish doctor worldwide have been over powered on their stand on vaccines and mask that don't work.WHO. only mandates masks in few places, and they say medical mask do not work or flip flop many time as if any masks work.. And Most people I see are wearing medical masks, there no control anyway. Adverage person holds on to a mask for a month. Dragging their droplet or toxicity gathering inside. Then spreading it everywhere they go on tables, desks and handling it all the time with their hands. Not washed enough and working 8 hours days not designed for this.
World health organization TOP ten ways to die annually have greater than Covid yearly, Vaxxers just ignore and blow it all off.
Are there other ways catagiuos? Yes.
TB, flu,smoking many others are still very contagious all in my lifetime. Tobacco has killed 100 million in this world and 4 times greater than Covid the last aunnally. Yet the Vass majority don't move a hair. Freedom to exercise your personal right to kill yourself by smoking.
Governments and doctors once told us in an era, tobacco is healthy for us. At least tobacco was the greatest genocide in history revenge by the true American natives. As for American natives were the greatest. Genocide in humans history.
Here we are ready for another one
It was the second hand smoke that is damaging that control those views.
No proof that vaccines work. All I know the speed of Covid deaths even in the slowest season. Had double in speed since the vaccines roll outs and top vaccines speaker claim it will get ten times worst.
By smoking it's legal in every country in the world. Do you really not know of any? Amazing. Search laws restricting smoking.
Tobacco deaths 100 million not banned in every country in the world.
Yet controlled away from the public.
Self consumed.
Catagiuos.
Unvaccined banned from almost everyway.
No where to go soon.
Not consumed
Covid 4.3 million debatible deaths
Catagiuos
There are other countries with no mandate for masks, very few vaccinated, no lockdown and have lower Covid deaths than lockdown countries..
In a surprise to no one, Supreme Court upholds vaccine mandates.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/supreme-cour … 56022.html
In another unsurprising ruling, Supreme Court sides with landlords.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-u-supr … 14978.htmlSuch a pathetic comment. Guy is getting death threats and you're spewing that kind of hate.
I've Not done harm to any one in my life. No crime here or hated anyone.
Where Every person is untitled to protect themselves on this planet by nature and by human right and international law.
The set up for Fauci is he's like Hitler invading many non vaxxers bodies
Much like putting stars on the gased Jews. The gas then, is being usef in chemotherapy today.... but chemotherapy is saving lives by killing cancer cells really fast.
isn't it?I've been part of group of marijuana medicine that has overthrown the north american Government.
My friend in Nova Scotia had 5000 patients with stage 4 and 5 cancers in remission success within 5 year At 85% success rate. Chemo therapy has only 2.3 remission success over 5 year.
World War II, at least two dozen medical researchers transformed mustard agents into cancer chemotherapy. In the 1940s, sulfur mustard, commonly called mustard gas, and nitrogen mustard, a derivative of mustard gas, became a new form of cancer treatment it only worked won Hodgkin disease cancers. Another world greatest failures.
This kind of medical error with many others is the third largest cause of death in the world.
Castle: You don't have a clue of what you are talking about. It sounds like you are regurgitating Fox News propaganda. The only thing wrong with Fauci is that he is a scientist talking at a scientific level. He needs other people who can dumb it down for people like you so that you can understand and appreciate the facts about this virus.
It's the Fox News propaganda and misinformation that is absorbed by their huge misinformed audience that is hurting this country.No matter if it's fox or 90% of the media, Governments, centralized bankster , big Pharma it's a system that works together as every USA President has talked about one world order. They are on the same Tag team of wealthy megalomaniac business men. A club that you nor I aren't in. Public can blame each other forever they want us to be fighting all the time. They don't want hard working independent individualism who are capable of critical thinking to realize their lives have been thrown overboard 40 years ago. Look the WEF it's on the raise and most all top politicans leader are on board. Klaus is the leader and also in the Rothschild family.
Even more disgusting. The guy is literally trying to save people's lives by making it less likely they will die of a deadly virus. He is not forcing you to get the thing, but begging you to lessen your chances of dying. And you compare that to the Holocaust.
Anyone deep connected to Kill Gates is no friend of mine or my family.
Can sculpt one of those, when my depends on it. Jews should of lied when their life depended on it. Only time, to break the honesty best policy rule, if harmed.
To all you antivaxxers and anti-maskers out there who think your immune system will protect you from the virus, I have some questions for you.
Since you have superior immune systems, you should be able to kiss someone on the lips who is dying of the virus and because you have so much faith in your immune system, it won't even affect you? Yes or no.
You would also be willing to be in a room with known people who have the virus and let them cough in your face while you don't wear a mask? Yes or no.
For those of you who think that by not getting vaccinated and wearing a mask, you are doing your part to deny big pharma their huge profits? Yes or no.
I have news for you. Welcome to capitalism at its finest. Big pharma could care less whether you get the vaccine or not. You can thank their lobbyists and republicans who believe in deregulating corporations and their policies for their huge profits.
That's why we had the financial meltdown and people had to walk away from their houses when their variable interest rate mortgages reset so high they couldn't afford their homes.
I'm more concerned about Hannity, Ingraham, and Carlson getting their huge salaries from their sponsors by putting out propaganda about the virus and influencing millions of people with the wrong information than I am about big pharma and their profits.
As far as losing your liberties and freedom, try going to the Capital now as a tourist and see how far you will get. Thanks to Trump and company and his domestic terrorists, I'm sure they won't even let you in.
Many years ago we we were able to sit in on a Supreme Court trial and watch the House of Representatives in progress as tourists. Try that now.
For those of you who think this vaccine is experimental, it has been in the making for over twenty years as the human genome was being decoded. That is how the vaccine works, it is a piece of genetic code that stops the virus from replicating.
Why is it statistics show more people who have been vaccinated survive more than those who have not? Why is it that antivaxxers who gather in large crowds become super spreaders of the virus?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti … 9-spread1/
As far as the vaccine harming you, statistics show that the harm is insignificant to the benefits received from the vaccine. It's like your chances of crashing in an airliner, yes it can happen, but it is statistically insignificant compared to you flying safely to your destination.
These are just a few questions and ideas for you to ponder. I'm looking forward to your answers.Super immune system, wish I that as my superpowerimmumdr like the woverins on XMen , nobody could kill me.
Only have a good immune system and won't kiss anyone on the lips that a infectious Covid victims. Anymore than kiss someone with the flu, just plenty of rest and away from people. It's their responsibility to inform others.Healthy people get over it. Its just a flue/cold microbe.
Man!!!Which is not true at all. Many long term health changes. Do some extra research.
The main changes are from the vaccines, ours owner are screwing with our lives.
You got one in 2400 catching Covid. Than 99.95 chance of survival from Covid.
Then that's better than vaccines 94% chance of catching Covid especially for children. Roll outs only proven double the speed in deaths.
"Since you have superior immune systems, you should be able to kiss someone on the lips who is dying of the virus and because you have so much faith in your immune system, it won't even affect you? Yes or no.
You would also be willing to be in a room with known people who have the virus and let them cough in your face while you don't wear a mask? Yes or no."
Do you think as a vaccinated person you could do the same and have zero chance of catching the virus?Do you think as a vaccinated person you could do the same and have zero chance of catching the virus?
That shows how misinformed you are.IslandBites. Sorry, you are right. That was a typo. It should have read as:
"Do you think as an unvaccinated person you could do the same and have zero chance of catching the virus?"
In my zeal to reply, I missed that typo. I will try to do better next time. Thanks for pointing that out.You don't have to. You were right. That was a Readmikenow quote.
He is misinformed about the vaccine as he constantly show us. Well, I want to think that's his reason for so much bs.
The answer is easy. No. And most people know that. No vaccine is 100% effective.
CDC: COVID-19 vaccines are effective at helping protect against severe disease and death from variants of the virus that causes COVID-19 currently circulating, including the Delta variant.
But you knew that.Been listening to Biden too much. He says Vaccines are 100% safe. Explained that to all the vaccined dead people. They won't be voting.
how many vaccinated dead people are there?
As of july 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 12,313 reports of death (0.0036%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine”.
They will do anything to blame it on some other causes of deaths, like Covid not vaccines. Even at worldwide deaths of double the speed since vaccines roll out. They will always just blame it on Covid, not the vaccines no matter what.
Giving vaccines to healthy age 6 month to age ,12 has started in Israel along with metal distance tracking devices. A sacrifice for evil.
It's starting to get worse.
"Report: Los Angeles to require vaccinations to buy groceries"
https://www.wnd.com/2021/08/report-la-r … groceries/It's coming here too. No living allowed for unvaccineed.
No worries , just make my own food which I mainly do now. Just threating from our leader unless 75% are fully vaccinated by September. We have one of the lowest Covid deaths area in the world.
RMN: Again, the conservative mind blowing things out of proportion. When are you going to learn to validate your articles for the truth? The council said food and other staples are exempt from this policy.
Please read the last sentence in this article from NBC, LA. You just like to roll with the first thing that you find that you think agrees with your agenda.
You always use these right wing propaganda sites to make your points. As I said before, we buy you books and you bring them home and tear the pages out.
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/coro … s/2669550/RMN: Now you are using the conservative "slippery slope, what if" conspiracy syndrome. Nice try, but I really enjoy your replies. They are very entertaining.
During WWII, we had victory gardens. I guess if they don't let you buy groceries, you can always grow your own vegetables and maybe raise a cow, pig, and chickens.
It's just the beginning.
This is the attitude of the LA city council.
"LA's plan comes from Council President Nury Martinez and council member Mitch O’Farrell.
In a prepared statement, Martinez claimed, "It's our responsibility to protect the public, that includes protecting them from the unvaccinated. The decision to not get vaccinated doesn’t just affect you. We have kids under the age of 12 who are not eligible for the vaccine yet, and someone’s decision to not get vaccinated affects them as well."
O'Farrell claimed those who choose not to take the experimental vaccines are "immoral."
Let that attitude sink in for a minute.
The head of the LA City council believes those who choose not to put an experimental vaccine into their bodies immoral. People who recognize a drug that nobody knows the long-term effects or long-term side effects it could cause. They don't want to be forced to put something like this in their body. A vaccine that when taken still makes it possible for a person to get Covid and die from Covid as well as spread Covid.RMN: See, you don't follow directions very well either. What are we going to do with you? Here is what I said: "Please read the last sentence in this article from NBC, LA."
Since you didn't read or chose to ignore it, here it is for all the world to see.
"Council President Nury Martinez and Councilman Mitch O'Farrell introduced the motion last Wednesday.
"This is not a vaccine mandate ... we're not going to deny anyone the ability to access essentials, food, medicine, etc., regardless of vaccination ... but what is immoral is choosing not to get vaccinated, choosing to listen to some delusional rant on Twitter,'' he added."Here's your problem, you don't GET IT, what happens historically to individuals when the people in power call them "immoral?" There is a bigger picture here you don't seem to have the ability to see. Maybe this is an advanced level of thinking...but as I said before...this is just the beginning.
It's always just the beginning with you paranoid folks.
It's just the beginning of the government taking away our guns...
It's just the beginning of communism...
It's just the beginning of the unvaccinated being rounded up and herded into gas chambers...
You're delusional and badly misinformed.I'm fearless and avoid paraniod because I've been totally prepared off grid to with a standoff with any forced vaccines from 10 years back studies and intuitive actions. .
None of our 20 non vaccined members carry guns in our community. Because your 3 times greater chance of killing yourself or killing someone you know than a Covid cop enforcement to give you the mark of the beast.
USA fears totalitarian more from the Government than any robberies or running out of dear food.
Communism can only come from the top down who the vaxxers support with their lives. Not from the bottom up for their well being of their mind and bodies Last stand.
I belongs to no Government nor greedy bastards or one-sided political views to nowhere..
Your body is free to vaccines and to kill yourselves like smoking or legal drugs which is 4 times worst than Covid annual.
Nationalism is worst than religion. They dictate the MADD cows or sl
heeps by loosely complicated morals. Rather than allowing strong individual with ethics and integrity. Controling their own minds and bodies. Everyone is their own God or it's totally owned by millions of other Gods or dictatorships.
Be the king of your own domain or be scientific experiments and join all the other dead animals tested.Isn´t your comment a perfect example of paranoia?
Living in the country farm, with healthy happy community in a province that has one of the lowest Covid deaths in the world. Giving no signs of paranoiad or the chariactivd of one. Our leader is greatly
paranoiad In our province Although the same in those big cities with too many people.
Most people are
delusions and full of fear mainly for the unknown vaccines.
I already know so much about vaccines and about covid plandemic.
They exaggerated that vaccines to fit every ones body nonsense. The typical sheep elaborated on how these criminal organized system are looking out for them like God. Then hypocrites use excuses for these leaders when everything goes wrong like every step of the way so far. They use these legal drug and vaccines that are more deadlier and abuseive than illegal drugs or alterative medcines
like cannibis. It's like their social schizophren they loose balance of everything else important in their lives. The medical
complex are
a tag team of wealthy
megalomaniacs. The billionaires are
psychos killers with actions without evidence or justification like breaking the contitusion laws and human rights acts.
What do I care, don't have to deal with them unless they can get pass my 3 dangerous dogs.
I have no paranoiad about viruses. Due healthy lifestyle and an ace at biological.
Only concern over a 100 million people. Not for Covid deaths unreal numbersof deaths.
The much greater killer is with everyone's unbalance lives Billions will never stop harming them, not Me or our group. we are safe and living it up and ignore these phony authorities.Castlepaloma: I'm guessing you live in some remote village in Nova Scotia based on your profile and what you have said. You also seem very cynical about what is going on in the U.S. of which you don't even live here.
So it seems you are claiming your values and beliefs are better than the scientific community who is handling this virus on a day-to-day basis.
According to you, we should all be on Cannibis. That may makes us feel better, but I don't think it will combat this virus, but you keep taking the stuff anyway. Your writing with all the typos and grammatical errors, makes me think you are on it when you write on this forum.You are just supposed to be enjoying our local anarchist. Comic relief thrown in with esoteric metaphysics. You also know he is an artist. Have you ever tried to write like him?
Try it, peoplepower73. I dare you! (its not easy, I've tried.)
PS Is 73 your age or the year you graduated high school?Kathryn: Actually that was the age I was when I joined Hub Pages. I'm now 82 and hopefully will be 83 in October. My background is technical writing and training. I'm also an artist and a woodcarver. I enjoy political satire, but I have found conservatives don't like to laugh at political satire. But they do find humor in making fun of liberals. That's what Fox News is all about.
+1,000,000
You did forget that it's just the beginning of the US becoming a socialist state.The only reasons why our guns haven't been taken away is because of "paranoid folks" that fight their every effort to do so. And despite that, in some states they have lost many rights to own, carry, or use to protect themselves any firearm.
The only reasons why our country hadn't long ago adopted Socialism/Marxism/Communism is because "paranoid folks" have fought against those trying to make the country so. I imagine AOC, and many like her, would be just as happy as can be if she could install her version of Socialism as the only government in America.
I think the correlation between people having concern over the vaccines, and believing they will be rounded up into gas chambers, well... I'll leave that one alone. I think that's overreach on your part.Yes Twitter is one of the wonders of the world, where the most idiotic and ignorant among all humanity can have a platform and share their thoughts.
One of the few things I have deliberately missed out on in life... no Twitter account here.
Can we try a RATIONAL viewpoint from the "concerned about the vaccine" side of the house perhaps?:
https://undercurrents723949620.wordpres … -vaccines/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoF8zfJsUDIhttps://youtu.be/tiwsv51Il4k
Joe Rogan views on vaccines passportsThis pretty much sums up where we are today.
So your assertion is that the government of the U.S. is trying to identify those who haven't received the vaccine for the purposes of rounding them up and murdering them?
It's only the beginning. Right now the unvaccinated are being denied access to restaurants, bars, movie theaters, etc. Many people are trying to make them out as if they are murdering people by not getting vaccinated.
If this is not stopped right now, who know what could be next.If they get vaccinated instead of believing in conspiracy theories and various things that don't exist, they can enter. When they are not a massive risk for infecting other people and killing them, they can enter. They are preventing themselves from entering.
People who are vaccinated can spread Covid just as easily as those who are not vaccinated. So, then, what's the problem?
"Now it has — and the data is sobering.
The study details a COVID-19 outbreak that started July 3 in Provincetown, Mass., involving 469 cases. It found that three-quarters of cases occurred in fully vaccinated people. Massachusetts has a high rate of vaccination: about 69% among eligible adults in the state at the time of the study.
It also found no significant difference in the viral load present in the breakthrough infections occurring in fully vaccinated people and the other cases, suggesting the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with the coronavirus is similar."
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru … k-guidance
You used to have that right. It was the Fairness Doctrine. and Reagan ended it. Thanks, right? It opened the floodgates to flavors of news, talk radio, and commentators who sound like news anchors.
Actually, it unburdened radio talk shows and others so they could provide people with programming that they wanted rather than programming they didn't want. They tried a liberal radio network with Al Frankin, it bombed terribly because nobody wanted to listen to it. Radio, news, etc. is performance based and doesn't go against market demands if it wants to be successful.
How dare they take away my fresh oxygen for my immune system.
Adverage person keep a mask then drags it around for one month. Then spreads the virus even better....How dare they take away my fresh oxygen for my immune system....
How dare you not live at sea level where atmospheric pressure and oxygen saturation is highest. Never go to Mexico City, that city is violating your rights.
Your comments are not serious, are they?Most serious when being funny.
Oxygen is most important for our immune system to work well. Covid Fear mongering everywhere puts most everyone into mass psychosis greatly harming the ammune system greater than any viruses or natural disaster.Castle: Why is it that more people are living when given the vaccine and wearing masks, than people dying who have not been vaccinated and not wearing masks?
And all you people out there who were waiting for FDA approval of a vaccine, Pfyzer has been approved. I can't wait to hear what your excuse is now. It is no longer an experimental drug according to your standards.
From the FDA:
We are issuing Department of Health and Human Services U.S. License No. 2229 to BioNTech Manufacturing GmbH, Mainz, Germany, under the provisions of section 351(a) of the PHS Act controlling the manufacture and sale of biological products. The license authorizes you to introduce or deliver for introduction into interstate commerce, those products for which your company has demonstrated compliance with establishment and product standards.
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedn … 19-vaccineOnce evil, now Pharmaceutical our saviours. Fat chance
I look at the mountains of evidence rather than the poplar narrative.
The variants came out when the vaccines came out with double the speed of covid deaths to date. I'm ok if people want to be a continuous scientific experiment that killed all the animals tested . More vaxxers are dying more than nonvaccinated. Why would your owners tell you the truth? They want to increase their slaves especially big Pharma who makes it more profitable than oil and gas.
FDA Fear&Death Associated. And Pfizer's who been sued a few times for $billions for killing people as experiments. Taking it to a higher level now.Castle: Please prove there are more people dying from the vaccine than antivaxxers. How am I a slave to big pharma? I'm 82 years old and I have been taking medication for hypertension since the 1980's..
I don't think I would have made it this far if my blood pressure was not under control. This morning it was 120/70. As far as big pharma goes, you are witnessing capitalism at its finest.About 75% of covid deaths in Canada are over the age 80. CDC states its only 6% its purely from covid. What chances did the 80 years old died from the other 2 or more of the 94% of health conditions. It's all scam. People are not afraid to die, they far more afraid to live, drugs store and liquor stores on too many corners.
There is no test sites for delta variant. Its all made up or guessing by pre programed doctors for money.
Being a natural path, I would buy Dexamethasone, from a drug store. Along with zinc and strong vitamins D and C. That will do it like in a few place around the world and odd place Africa they have eliminated covid deaths.Castle:
How do they test for Covid Delta variant?
To detect the delta variant, a specific type of COVID-19 test is required — genomic sequencing. Genomic sequencing decodes the coronavirus' complete set of genes and searches for new mutations. It also matches known variants. Labs at some state and local health departments have access to genomic sequencing.Aug 3, 2021Doctors take wild guesses and collect money.
Are you sure?
Isn´t there a mandatory process that requires a follow up PCR test after every positive antibody quicktest? Antibody tests being done whenever a person feels sick with symptoms or has to verify he/she is not infected.
And a PCR test does genome sequencing, so you get the name tag of the variant.
At least this process is active in Germany. I once had a positive antibody quicktest result (after my first Astraseneca vaccination, was false positive), so i had to go through the whole process with PCR test follow up. Was not very convenient but gave proof to me that the system works.In North America. If you ask around to every hospital. Tell them you are unvaccinated and want to be tested for delta variants.
All hospitals will refuse you.Castle: Where do you get your information from?
I saw on you tube in the us a guy asked every hospital across the US for delta variants test, all refused.
I called around in CanadSame thing.
Nothing
The bottom line is we do not need to be vaccinated. Vaccines are not working very well anyway. I feel sick whenever I'm around a vaccinated person.
RMN: Sure then the antivaxxers can do a fake audit after the shots have been given, just like counting ballots after the winner has been voted in.
That's just an analogy. Sending vaccines by mail isn't the same as voting in an election.
They wouldn't put a clip into anyone just to sway their votes, they all have the same puppet masters. Injection a passport and tracking device is more possible.
Send my injection in the mail, i will fake it and will be able to shop, work and travel anywhere. Until they find out there is no tracking device to program me.RMN, Receiving ballots in the mail for voting and then mailing the ballots in is the same as receiving vaccine by mail and sending in the paperwork. That's what that meme is saying and you know it and I know it. Nice try.
Santa is not going to bring you any presents if you keep lying like that.I don't know if mental devices are in the vaccines, could be later on.
Santa maybe hijack by Satan Klaus from the WEF this dark winter. It's no conspiracy that many world leaders support WEF, plus every US president talks about one world order. WEF is where they control everything and we own nothing and we will be happy.I'm sure you believe in Santa Claus as much as you believe in liberalism...which is similar to believing in Santa Claus.
