Are Republican protecting your right to die from the Delta Variant?

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  1. peoplepower73 profile image90
    peoplepower73posted 13 months ago

    This is from Vanity Fair July 16, 2021

    In a push designed to treat unvaccinated Americans like an oppressed group, Republicans are reportedly pursuing a series of bills that would make it illegal to “discriminate” against those who choose not to get the COVID-19 vaccine. At least one state—Montana—has already signed such a bill into law, and according to Axios, others around the country are following suit.

    Montana’s law prevents businesses such as grocery stores and restaurants from refusing customers based on their vaccination status. And employers in the state cannot consider an applicant’s vaccination status when making hiring decisions. In a similar move, Alabama passed a law prohibiting schools and universities from mandating COVID vaccine requirements for students, faculty, and staff, while other government institutions and private companies are also barred from stopping service to unvaccinated patrons. In essence, these types of laws give the same protection to unvaccinated Americans as those who face discrimination based on their race, religion, sexual orientation, and gender identity. “When we think about the normal discrimination statutes…we have protected classes based on something that is sort of inherent to you,” Lowell Pearson, a managing partner at Husch Blackwell, told Axios. “But vaccination status you certainly can control.”

    In several states, Republican governors have passed mandates banning the use of vaccine passports, meaning businesses and venues cannot ask for proof that their customers are vaccinated. Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Idaho, Iowa, Montana, North Dakota, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, and Wyoming all have vaccine-passport bans.

    Ironically, many of these efforts are taking place as the more contagious delta variant continues to spread, in states where vaccination rates are already at rock bottom. In Montana, approximately 43% of the state’s population is fully vaccinated. Around one third of Alabama residents have been fully vaccinated, and the state is currently experiencing an increase in COVID cases, according to The New York Times. Last week, CDC director Rochelle Walensky made it clear that those Americans who have recently died after contracting COVID-19 were unvaccinated. “Preliminary data from several states over the last few months suggest that 99.5% of deaths from COVID-19 in the United States were in unvaccinated people,” she said in a press briefing.

    Despite the obvious danger, right-wing pundits with vast megaphones have continued to discourage their audiences from getting vaccinated. Last week Charlie Kirk, the cofounder of pro-Trump youth group Turning Point USA, launched a “No Forced Vax” campaign on Tucker Carlson Tonight, promising to “fight back against forced campus vaccinations” and supposedly launching chapters on campuses across the country. Kirk has compared vaccine requirements to South African apartheid, and GOP Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene has likened mask mandates and the treatment of unvaccinated Americans to that of Jews in prewar Nazi Germany. In condemning Joe Biden’s door-knocking campaign to get more Americans vaccinated, Tucker Carlson called it “the greatest scandal” he has ever witnessed, and his colleague Laura Ingraham slammed it as “creepy.”

    1. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      It certainly is no surprise that more Republicans have opted not to take the vaccine. I have friends that for one reason or the other won't take it. The most common excuse is they feel it is a new type of vaccine that has not been used before, and many feel the vaccines were not tested sufficiently.

      I think it goes back to the fact as a rule Republicans do not appreciate government overreach. And they really don't like the thought of any form of Vaccine mandates of any kind.  Many conservatives value autonomy.

      I will be honest I don't know where you are going with your question ---  "Are Republicans protecting your right to die from the Delta Variant?

      We are all responsible to make the decision to be vaccinated and be protected from COVID. As you stated in your OP ---  Last week, CDC director Rochelle Walensky made it clear that those Americans who have recently died after contracting COVID-19 were unvaccinated. “Preliminary data from several states over the last few months suggest that 99.5% of deaths from COVID-19 in the United States were in unvaccinated people,” she said in a press briefing.

      People that are vaccinated have a very slight chance of contracting DELTA so not sure why it is you feel Republicans that choose not to be vaccinated are taking anyone's rights away.  You quoted that 99.5 stat.  People that are vaccinated have a minute chance of contacting DELTA or dieing from it.

      "In the U.S., officials have said virtually all recent Covid hospitalizations and deaths were occurring among unvaccinated people."
      https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/12/most-fu … says-.html

      And undoubtedly there is a small number that has died from COVID even though vaccinated. No vaccine is 100%. And some recipient's immune systems are poor due to ongoing health problems that make them more prone to die if infected with a virus of any form.

      The bottom line is we live in America, we have rights, and some are standing on those rights whether we agree or not.

      I am against forcing anyone to put anything into their body that they don't want to. I took the vaccine, but I have seen not only long-term problems with the vaccine occur, but I have also seen long-term medications be flagged for causing problems such as Cancer.

      We really do not have any long studies on any of the vaccines. So, I can see and actually felt the same fears as many that have refused to take one of the COVID vaccines.  So, have many physicians I am acquainted with.

      1. peoplepower73 profile image90
        peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Sharlee:

        I see the virus as an enemy of the people.  Not only in this country but in the world.  That's why it is called a pandemic.  Whether we like it or not, we are at war with an organism that is so small, it can only be seen with an electron microscope, but yet if not treated, it can be lethal, just like an enemy attacking human kind.

        In my view, it is not a matter of freedom or government overreach, it is not even political.  It behooves each and everyone of us to be treated and follow the guidelines. 

        I believe what Fox News and MAGA news is doing is a disservice to the people in combating this enemy.  Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham, et al, think they are protecting the right of of those who don't want the vaccine.  I guess you didn't read this part of my post or you just ignored commenting on it.

        "Despite the obvious danger, right-wing pundits with vast megaphones have continued to discourage their audiences from getting vaccinated. Last week Charlie Kirk, the cofounder of pro-Trump youth group Turning Point USA, launched a “No Forced Vax” campaign on Tucker Carlson Tonight, promising to “fight back against forced campus vaccinations” and supposedly launching chapters on campuses across the country. Kirk has compared vaccine requirements to South African apartheid, and GOP Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene has likened mask mandates and the treatment of unvaccinated Americans to that of Jews in prewar Nazi Germany. In condemning Joe Biden’s door-knocking campaign to get more Americans vaccinated, Tucker Carlson called it “the greatest scandal” he has ever witnessed, and his colleague Laura Ingraham slammed it as “creepy.”"

        In my view, the misinformation, they are putting out is all most criminal.  They want their listeners to think they are helping them protect their freedom to choose.  When in fact what they are really doing is trying to increase their  ratings, so they can earn more megabucks.  It is almost like shouting fire in a crowded theater to either create or increase their fear of the vaccine.

        From a scientific standpoint, the vaccine isn't even an antibody, like a Polio or a measles vaccine.  The virus multiplies by inserting its RNA into lung tissue.  The vaccine carries a messenger RNA that blocks the virus RNA so the virus can't reproduce.  It is nothing like a flu shot.  This is what Fox News should be telling it's viewers, not the B.S. they are putting out.

        I'm all for freedom, but when their actions or inactions, put my health and others at risk, then something is wrong with this picture.  We have gone from getting the virus almost under control to having new outbreaks in areas where they refuse to get vaccinated.  In the Los Angeles area, until yesterday, we were not required to wear masks.  And now because of those new outbreaks as of Saturday at Midnight, we are required to wear masks again, to lower or risk from getting it from Anti-Vaxers.

        I think I have mentioned this before. For those people who are dying and have died because of not being vaccinated, I think it will affect their gene pool.  It is a law of nature that is survival of the fittest and those who are able to adapt to change.  If they choose not to adapt, they will pay the price and I  blame Fox/MAGA news for a large part of the problem.

        1. crankalicious profile image93
          crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Here's my question then. Should insurance companies be required to pay for health care associated with those who aren't vaccinated? In other words, should that be a way for insurance companies to deny coverage?

          I would say yes. If you refuse to get vaccinated and then you get COVID and need to be hospitalized, you should bear the brunt of that decision.

          1. peoplepower73 profile image90
            peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            crankalicious:

            Insurance companies are all about risk/reward ratio.  They want you to stay well so that you don't file as many claims. The less claims that are filed, the bigger the profit for the insurance companies. 

            People who have insurance pay premiums. I don't think they can legally deny coverage based on not getting the shots. I think most care givers would still tend to sick patients even if the patient was not covered.

          2. Readmikenow profile image96
            Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            That's like saying you shouldn't get coverage for a car accident because you chose to drive a car.  How about people who were victims of cancer because they worked in roofing industry?  You chose to work in the roofing industry.  So, where does it stop?  How about if you survive a suicide attempt?  You chose to commit suicide.  You pay for your insurance, you should get the coverage.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

          I understand your point of view, the majority of Americans did decide to get vaccinated. However, some have fears of a vaccine that has never been used before with a short study period. Fear is a horrible emotion to deal with.

          PP -- I guess you didn't read this part of my post or you just ignored commenting on it.

          As I have said before I don't watch much media nighttime news. This is why it's hard to address the network news shows. These shows are more geared to presenting hyperbolic opinion-oriented views on current events. They all pick and choose what they want one to hear. They skew context.

          So, if you have a particular Tucker show you found was egregious in regard to vaccines, please provide the youtube, and I will watch it. I have checked out a few of the Tucker shows that you felt he was being untruthful. What I have gleaned from Tucker's style --- he is very outspoken with his opinion of others, he slams one in the face as a rule with facts one might not want to hear. He does present guests to attempt to back up his theories.

          PP --   In my view, it is not a matter of freedom or government overreach, it is not even political.  It behooves each and every one of us to be treated and follow the guidelines.

          This is your opinion, we all have one. I believe in the freedom to make sessions on what goes into my body. Weighing pros and cons, and making a decision.  Our mindsets differ severely... I am very much conservative, very fact-oriented. My degrees are in health science and biological sciences. So you might guess my mindset is very much science-based.  I know a lot about viruses in general, as well as DNA and RNA. So, I might say my decision to take the vaccine was a hard one.
          I needed to look past the fact that DNA and RNA play a very big part in Cancer.  Denatured DNA is a big part of Cancer growth.
          To put it simply --- Cancer is actually out-of-control cell division. It involves a change in the DNA structure that causes an alteration of the normal DNA regulating mechanisms. The malignant (cancerous) cells no longer respond to normal regulatory signals --- So, I am somewhat leery of a vaccine that sets up shop in our RNA.  Hopefully, we as a society don't find out in a couple of years these vaccines attributed to a very large increase in Cancer.

          I don't see a problem in wearing a mask to lower the chances of getting DELTA.  Although the cases in people with the vaccine are very low, if one feels more comfortable wearing a mask, they should wear a mask. I, at this juncture, am still distancing in public, I am not socializing with friends that have made the decision not to take the vaccine. You see, I look at it this way --- they have the right to make up their own minds on whether to get vaccinated which would give them good protection against the virus. However, I have the right to protect myself from people that can carry large loads of the virus and spread the Virus.  In my view, one needs to make decisions that lead to protecting themself, and don't worry about what others choose to do... Because in the end, they have the right to make up their own minds.  I am not losing sleep over something I can't change. 

          Will this all affect the gene pool, who knows. Keep in mind, we that who took the vaccine have no idea what it may do in a year or two. The body is very smart when it comes to foreign objects, and sometimes just does not know how to handle them, and decides to try to kill the bad guy. Problems can occur when the body kills the good guys too...

        3. peoplepower73 profile image90
          peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

          This link shows the red/blue divide and how the divide is growing in terms of vaccination rates.

          https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-re … s-growing/

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            I am aware of the divide. As I said I believe conservatives, in general, have many different mindsets than liberals. AS I shared, I have friends that are physicians that will not take the vaccine. I think some people are fearful of long-term health problems, some are just fearful of anything that comes out of Government. 

            My common sense told me I could be dammed if I don't, and maybe dammed if I do. But knowing a bit about viruses, I know this virus is like no other, and we will not get rid of it if we don't stop it with a vaccine. It would literally be around for many many years if left to run unchecked.

            It can also mutate into something far worse than we have seen. I wish more information on the science of viruses would be reported on, give truthful information on how dangerous mutations can be. We have no idea if DELTA will mutate into something worse. 

            Question --- Would you be on board with a federal mandate that would require all citizens 12 years and up to be vaccinated, unless a Doctor offers a reason their patient should not be vaccinated? Would you be willing to have a mandate for all children to be vaccinated?

            1. peoplepower73 profile image90
              peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

              S- In my view, one needs to make decisions that lead to protecting themself, and don't worry about what others choose to do... Because in the end, they have the right to make up their own minds.  I am not losing sleep over something I can't change.

              M- They have the right to make up their own minds, but their minds are being influenced with misinformation and lies about the virus from Fox and MAGA news. 
              I wouldn't care if if it were just a few individuals, but their audience is in the millions 24/7 and that influence represents a very powerful force in their decision making.  The more people who become anti-vaxers, the greater the probability of the virus spreading and even mutating again...So I am making it my business, at least from a personal concern as to how it affects human kind.

              S-So, if you have a particular Tucker show you found was egregious in regard to vaccines, please provide the youtube, and I will watch it. I have checked out a few of the Tucker shows that you felt he was being untruthful. What I have gleaned from Tucker's style --- he is very outspoken with his opinion of others, he slams one in the face as a rule with facts one might not want to hear. He does present guests to attempt to back up his theories.

              M-You asked for it you got it.

              https://youtu.be/yRn4eA17GKQ

              https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/l … er-carlson

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                I watched youtube and checked out the Factcheckers at Politifact.

                Politifact did their homework and very much proved Tucker's comments were not factual or could not at all be proved as true. His comment in regard to the vaccines is very one-sided, that is clear. And his delivery could very well work to make some think they should fear the vaccine.

                His bit on females in the army -- I found a more complete longer clip from that show. He appeared to be trying to make the point we are lagging way behind China in regard to their military, especially China's naval power. Pointing out the pure fact that they have a very much larger fleet than the US. He was very angry at a speech Biden had given. A speech where Tucker clearly thought Biden looked foolish talking about maternity clothes and hairstyles instead of address the problem that we lag severely behind China in regards to military and equipment needed to protect America.

                I have said this before in regard to Tucker, he is very hyperbolic, and I will agree many that who would tune in could be very much disturbed by what he is saying, and how it says it, and take it all as factual. Tucker has a way with words that's apparent. Many like shows that the hosts are very controversial. 

                Opinion shows in my view ar dangerous... Many don't look beyond the hype. 

                PP -- They have the right to make up their own minds, but their minds are being influenced with misinformation and lies about the virus from Fox and MAGA news.

                I don't see much that can be done about the nightly talk jock shows. I find all three of the popular networks bias, and promoting propaganda.

                PP --  The more people who become anti-vaxers, the greater the probability of the virus spreading and even mutating again...So I am making it my business, at least from a personal concern as to how it affects human kind.

                The greatest probability of spread will be among the unvaccinated if we are being told the truth about the virus, and the vaccine remains effective. It will be unvaccinated that will become ill, and in the end, it will be them (the hard way) that added many millions to the herd. I certainly don't prefer this outcome. But I am not sure all of our personal concerns matter.  So, how are you intending to change anything via personal concerns that affect humankind in regards to those that refuse to be vaccinated?

                Perhaps you should try to keep yourself and yours healthy by continuing some forms of mitigations as I do.  Try to stay clear from friends and family that won't take the vaccine, this will work to cut your chances of even getting a weakened case of DELTA.  And social distance when in public until we see where this new strain is going, can't hurt to
                be careful.

                You did not answer my questions in regard to mandates.

                1. peoplepower73 profile image90
                  peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Sharlee:

                  S-Question --- Would you be on board with a federal mandate that would require all citizens 12 years and up to be vaccinated, unless a Doctor offers a reason their patient should not be vaccinated? Would you be willing to have a mandate for all children to be vaccinated?

                  M- I'm not qualified to answer that question, but here is what the CDC says about it.

                  https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021 … gning.html

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    You do realize how frequently the CDC walks back their advice? And my question has nothing to do with the CDC or any other one's opinion on mandates. I asked your opinion, and I had hoped to learn your opinion on Government overreach and citizen's freedoms.
                    That's where I was headed.

                    So, from your answer I take it you are down with whatever you are told to do by the CDC.. It would appear you are alright with taking away a person's right to choose what goes into their body.

                    I will point out something important only because I find your reply to my question is interesting in regard to individual ideologies. And I have been trying to point out that our ideologies differ. It is apparent you are a liberal;, and in the case of mandates, it appears you would leave that decision in the hands of the Government, and follow their request without a problem.  I, being conservative, would not be on board with taking away anyone's right to refuse the vaccine.  I am pro-vaccine at this point and think more truth about the virus, and the importance of taking the vaccine is a better path than mandating a vaccine with mandates.

                    This vaccine debate really shows the differing mindsets between liberals and conservatives.

      2. gmwilliams profile image83
        gmwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        +1000000000000000000.

      3. Jean Bakula profile image94
        Jean Bakulaposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        We actually had long studies on coronaviruses for years. This was just a new strain of an old virus. Unvaccinated people don't have the right to get other people sick because they are carriers of disease.

        Fox News had the strictest laws about making their employees be vaccinated before coming back to work. If a person was ill with a deadly disease and wanted to die, would you support their right to die then? The hypocrisy is astounding. The R argument "My body, my choice" is the same. R Women as a rule don't support a woman's right to choose when it comes to unwanted pregnancy.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
          Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          The vaccinated are infecting the rest of us. The vaccinated cause the virus to mutate. They're going to have problems, because now their immune systems are compromised.
               Now we have the Delta variant. Now we have vaccinations that don't work or don't last. Face it. We are doomed. The whole thing is a disaster.

          You can stop acting like everything is under control.
          'Cuz it ain't.

    2. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Could it be time to just accept most have made up their minds in regard to getting vaccinated?  The division is clear, and the bar is not moving...

      Both sides have dug in, both sides have presented solid pros and cons. Offering relative information to back up their opinions.

      This vaccine was hoisted on us, with little information and had a short human study. This and the fact that we also know little about the actual virus as of yet could certainly work as a deterrent to taking the vaccine.

      Many seem to feel we have heard little from the CDC that we can trust, due to them changing up their opinion frequently. This works to deter, not encourage one to take the vaccine. Even in fact the CDC responsibly changes its information due to a changing virus. Laymen can't digest this, perhaps due to the fact have never had to face such a complicated scientific problem.  My point -- At any rate, the decision to take a brand new type of vaccine to fight an unknown virus was a hard one.  We all have different ways when it comes to deciphering pros and cons.

      Maybe it's time we realize either side could be wrong. Playing the blame game gets us nowhere. Just another thing to divide us. Maybe we should start thinking about all the divisions we now are dealing with. And asking ourselves what's causing them.

      In regard to Tucker, some find him "creepy". I find him outspoken, he hits ya in the face with opinions one may not like to hear. Hit nerve-type journalism.  But, I will be dammed, he sure makes one think. His commentary smacks one right between the eyes.

      1. peoplepower73 profile image90
        peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Sharlee:  I don't care what Tucker Carlson's opinions are as an individual. But I do care how he Hannity and Ingraham have such a huge audience  that they can influence with their misinformation and propaganda. And they do it all for the huge salaries they earn from their sponsors. Welcome to capitalism at its finest.

        The people who are not wearing masks and not getting vaccinated don't realize and/or don't care they can be spreaders of the virus and a lot of it is because of the misinformation that is presented by Fox News.

        As far as the CDC and the scientific community, you and I understand  this virus is still unfolding, but their are others who want certainty everyday.   They don't realize as they learn new information, they have to change their position on policies and procedures. Now they have approved another dose for those who have survived with underlying conditions.

        I watched AOC being interviewed on CNN.  She said she was afraid that during Jan. 6 she was going to be raped and die from the attackers.  I'm sure Tucker's  audience had a big laugh about that.  You call it all about being hit between the eyes.  I call it exploitation of an audience for ratings. 

        In my view, that is what keeps us divided.  There are two America's.  There is the left America and the Right America. Each "country" has their own values and belief systems and never the two shall meet.

        https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tucker-c … bc26a3d02b

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
          Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          it will become very apparent which side is wrong. Hubpages Topical forums will eventually reveal this side, as your side, your opinions, your viewpoints, People Power, become more and more clear ... as you continue to share your views with us.
          So, thank you for enlightening us!

        2. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

          PP "Sharlee:  I don't care what Tucker Carlson's opinions are as an individual. But I do care how he Hannity and Ingraham have such a huge audience that they can influence with their misinformation and propaganda. "

          Please note the context of my comment in regard to Tucker. I was not approving or disapproving of his opinions.  I simply comment on his style of journalism. I can't judge if what he is saying is propaganda. I don't tune in often. I have watched a couple of his clips on youtube due to you requesting me to.  It appeared he was hyperbolic but relied most of the time on his opinion of what he feels are facts.  I just don't rely on talk jocks when it comes to factual news --- any of them.

          PP -- " The people who are not wearing masks and not getting vaccinated don't realize and/or don't care they can be spreaders of the virus and a lot of it is because of the misinformation that is presented by Fox News."

          I think you are compartmentalizing people unduly. I tried to point out individuals use different ways to determine pros and cons when it comes to the vaccine. I know some very intelligent people On being my cardiologist have opted to not take the vaccine, and mitigate using other precautions.  And there is and has been misinformation from just about every organization like the CDC, FDA, and TV Dr. from day one...  This is one of the big problems why many have lost trust in information altogether.

          PP -- "As far as the CDC and the scientific community, you and I understand  this virus is still unfolding, but their are others who want certainty everyday.   They don't realize as they learn new information, they have to change their position on policies and procedures. Now they have approved another dose for those who have survived with underlying conditions."

          Yes, the virus is changing and we just did not know enough about it from day one. So yes, my common sense and educational background tell me that all that many call flip and flops are simply due to just not knowing enough about this virus, and making the CDC going with the flow of new studies that are starting to surface. What it seems many can't understand is this virus is not typical, it is not in any respect flowing the path most viruses follow.  It's like a new animal that has never been recovered --- we don't know what it will do.  In regard to  --  "Now they have approved another dose for those who have survived with underlying conditions."

          I was just had lunch with a physician friend, she had COVID in the first months of the outbreak. She was donating blood plasma every month to be used therapeutically on COVID Pts. She was told last month her titer was too low and her plasma would not be sufficient  She also at that point took the vaccine, hoping it would bring up her titer, it did. It is my hope that the Government starts putting out information on just how long the COVID antibodies last after the vaccine and after one has had COVID. It appears that again this virus is not following what is expected in regard to holding on to antibodies. I will check my titer in Sept, and get a booster with my Dr if need be.  I think the Government should be out front with offering boosters to all that show a low titer and want to get a booster. In my opinion, by Nov we will have a new mutation that will hit hard and hit all ages. I hope I am wrong.

          I agree,  There is left America and Right America. Each "country" has its own values and belief systems and never the two shall meet. I actually think there is a third, one that ignores all the hoopla and tries to just make calm sensible individual decisions taking into account considering their own situation.

          As far as Tucker, Hannity, and the rest you have the right to turn them off. But do you have the right to make other stop watching their shows because you feel they are promoting propaganda? WE have always had free speech, and I would never want to see us lose it.

          I respectfully had a good look at your article. I can see that even though AOC was not in the Capitol she had reasons to be very frightened.  While the riot was occurring a man did pound on her office door, she could certainly hear all the violence that was occurring just across the street, and she had a history of being overpowered and raped.  It was unfair for any journalist to assume just because she did not come face to face with a rioter that she would not feel afraid or threatened. Shame on them!

          1. peoplepower73 profile image90
            peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Sharlee:  I don't have the right to stop people from watching Fox News, but I wish I  and others had the right to shut down Ingraham, Hannity, and Carlson.  But that will never happen as long as they have sponsors and ratings.  It 's capitalism at its finest. 

            I long for the days of Walter Cronkite and his one hour news show of unadulterated news instead of the constant echo chambers of the same thing 24/7.

            "I actually think there is a third, one that ignores all the hoopla and tries to just make calm sensible individual decisions taking into account considering their own situation."

            I'm a troubleshooter and I like to get to the root cause of problems. I think  what is needed is factual education of what this virus is, how it got here and what the vaccine really is, not people's opinions and conspiracy theories. 

            In a perfect world, we can just stay to ourselves, but this is a far from a perfect world we live in when science is mixed in with politics.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
              Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              In a perfect world we have Hannity, Ingraham and all the others who reveal
              F A C T S .

              Sorry there are so many who don't recognize facts when they hear them.
                But then,  T R U T H  is often very hard to accept, for anyone.

              1. Fayetteville Faye profile image60
                Fayetteville Fayeposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Lol Carlson and the like at Fox do not in any way represent truth or facts. They represent misinformation and information taken out of context primarily.

                1. Valeant profile image87
                  Valeantposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  +1

            2. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

              I very much that politics should have never mixed with science. We would have been so much better off in regard to handling the virus if we let virologists and physicians take control of speaking to the nation. Both fields are very much matter of fact, and as much as possible what was needed was facts.

              I will also agree that sponsors are driven by ratings.  It's a crazy world.

      2. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        perfectly fine post.

    3. CHRIS57 profile image60
      CHRIS57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      I have question:

      Many people participating in this discussion seem to be antivaxers.
      Now i read that in places where hospitals are overwhelmed, they start to set up remote monoclone antibody treatment sites.

      That seems to make sense. Give Covid patients a shot of this medicine and send them home before they can even enter the hospital door.

      But again. This treatment is also experimental. Possibly even more experimental than vaccines are. So - are antivaxers willing to get the stuff that already saved the former guy in the White House?

    4. Castlepaloma profile image73
      Castlepalomaposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Even by the corrupted corporate development Government and the health (or HELL) organizations are under Faucism. Even by their stats and covid deaths have doubled and variant appeared since the vaccines roll out, now in the slow season of summer . This 99% unvaccinated delta variant is totally made up by nazi fauci and media with no proof what so ever.

      1. peoplepower73 profile image90
        peoplepower73posted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Castle:  I asked you where you get your information from?  All you gave me is your opinion.

        1. CHRIS57 profile image60
          CHRIS57posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          I just drop this info in here about the Delta variant:

          https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 … 21261991v1

          This study found out that apparently Delta is tricky, because Delta seems to hide/suppress symptoms for a few days. People with Delta are infectuous some days before fist symptoms develop.

          This may explain the higher virus load for the Delta variant (has more time to develop before discovery) and it may explain the rapid spreading, because more infected people run around uncontrolled without symptoms.

          Makes sense to me.

        2. Castlepaloma profile image73
          Castlepalomaposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Being a total naturalpath from farming organic foods and medicines to tiny houses community. I share the home lifestyle with 20 members in our unvaccinated community.

          1. peoplepower73 profile image90
            peoplepower73posted 11 months agoin reply to this

            Castle: So then you live in a pretty much self-contained community of 20 people with very little exposure to the outside world?

            1. Castlepaloma profile image73
              Castlepalomaposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              The Government has already totally destroyed my arts and entertainment, hands on industry. One third of all established small businesses gone. Poverty kills more than anything. Plus skyrocketing suicides, homelessness, hyper inflation not seen in my lifetime and so on.. So on.

              Wrote about something like this on hubpages 10 years ago. Only 1% like me are prepared for this kind of mass psychosis depopulations.

              Your the Lucky one, about 75% of all covid deaths are 80 +. I got my life and daughter to protect from the genecide vaccine, that double speed it deaths already and creates variants.

              Our province leader said he plans to make life impossible for non vaxxers
              Just, leave us alone....

              1. gmwilliams profile image83
                gmwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                Nazism is coming in effect.  No vax, no fun.    People have to protest the draconian edict.  In New York City, there are people protesting against such draconian rules.

                1. peoplepower73 profile image90
                  peoplepower73posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  Let's do a stake holder's analysis. The factors are rights, responsibilities, harms, and benefits.

                  I have the right to become vaccinated and wear a mask. I feel it is my responsibility to be vaccinated and wear a mask to not only protect myself from getting the virus, but to keep others from getting the virus.  The harm that can come from that is that their is a very small chance I can still get the virus. I feel the benefits outweigh the risk.

                  Antivaxxers and non mask wearers have the right to not get the shot and not wear a mask. They only have a responsibility to themselves to maintain their freedom of choice.  They do not feel responsible for others well being. The benefit is only to themselves.  The harm is they can infect others as a result of their freedom of choice.

                  Democratic law makers feel they have a responsibility to make laws to protect the people from getting the virus. The constitution gives them that right. The harm is their laws can infringe on the rights of others for their freedom of choice.  The benefit is the protection from the virus for everybody.

                  Republican law makers feel they have to protect everybody's freedom to choose. They have the right to do that.  Their responsibility is to those who think they are losing their freedoms.  The harm is by protecting others right to not get vaccinated not wear masks and not showing proof of shots when asked is not only protecting the rights of others from the possibility of being infected by the virus, but also spreading the virus.

                  We are currently a country divided by antivaxxers and vaxxers. It is no longer, "we the people to form a more perfect union" as the preamble to the constitution states.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                    Castlepalomaposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    Don't think anti or non vaxxers care if you dress up with three mask on, a fart butt plug. Or wrapped a giant bubble around your entire body. We may find it funny yet would not be against it.

                    Just consider when your immune system doesn't get to practice with all the many germs or viruses daliy surrounding them. When a super virus comes along and they drop dead because their bodies have not been practicing.

                2. Castlepaloma profile image73
                  Castlepalomaposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  It actually the same people that created the second world all all wars from then on.
                  The covid third world war, they took out even more money from taxpayers than the cost of the second world war.

                3. CHRIS57 profile image60
                  CHRIS57posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  ... Nazism is coming in effect.  No vax, no fun. ... No drivers licence, no driving ???

                  Airlines are putting penalties, fees on their employees if the don´t get vaccinated. It is a pure financial calculus. Refuse vaccination and the likelyhood of serious illness and hospitalisation is much higher. This will cost the airline money and they requestreembursement from their employees. Of course employees are free to not work for that specific airline. No laws of free enterprise and capitalism violated.

                  Same will happen with other businesses. All will have to do evaluate their own Nash equilibrium on chances and risks.

                  If this chance and risk assessment is reaching out into your wallet, it may change your opinion.

                  1. peoplepower73 profile image90
                    peoplepower73posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    Nurses are getting burned out with the workload being placed on them.  They are quitting their hospital services because people think their immune systems are going to kick in and save them when in fact they end up in the hospitals and are overloading the systems.. 

                    This also will have a great economic effect on the hospitals and ripple through our entire economy as more people will no longer be able to participate in the labor force.

  2. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 13 months ago

    Nano technology is no joke.

    1. peoplepower73 profile image90
      peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Kathryn:  Neither is gene splicing.

  3. Live to Learn profile image74
    Live to Learnposted 13 months ago

    Getting incredibly mixed signals on COVID. How dangerous are things now, with Democratic lawmakers flying mask less, Democratic lawmakers with COVID meeting with democratic lawmakers who do not have Covid, then no quarantining of any exposed?

    You can’t expect people who are already suspicious of ulterior motives not to notice the obvious here. 

    Get a life. Do what you think is best and stop trying to punish those who might disagree.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      I agree about the mixed signals that are being sent out from the media and the Government. This media is all-controlling, and getting scarier every day.

      The CDC seems at this point to be giving sound information. Although we now have Fauci disputing the CDC. Fauci was Trump's worst mistake when it comes to the virus, he contradicts himself almost daily from day one when he told us

      I don't want to see people running around in masks. To now wanting us to mask up again, and make sure our children are also masked.

      In my view, people need to make their own decision when it comes to getting vaccinated.  No one should be forced by a mandate to be vaccinated.

    2. gmwilliams profile image83
      gmwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      +1000000000000.

  4. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 13 months ago

    "The virus multiplies by inserting its RNA into lung tissue." 

    "The vaccine carries a messenger RNA that blocks the virus RNA so the virus can't reproduce."

    S u r e  it does!

    1. peoplepower73 profile image90
      peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Kathryn:

      I was should have said a lung cell, instead of lung tissue. But it literally replicates by inserting it's RNA into a host lung cell.  I was just giving a simple explanation.

      https://youtu.be/SvA1s5S9rQ0

  5. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 13 months ago

    One death from this vaccine is a crime. Its just a stupid cold germ. You gotta get healthy and stay healthy, which means stay off the sauce, the sugar, the white flour and the chemicals/additives/preservatives which are in most of the processed, adulterated foods we consume.

    Instead, eat whole fresh vegetables, grains and legumes. We humans will be healthy and strong if we eat what nature has provided for us. When the intestines and bowels become clogged with the overly-processed foods we consider harmless, they become a haven/heaven for GERMS. How the germs love the filth of purifying, decaying waste just sitting there in the intestines. This is where the Covid 19 virus (plus variants,) germs, bacteria and the multitudes of microbes that invade us everyday

                                            F L O R I S H !

    During this time, it is important to eat green vegetables of all types, even for breakfast. Raw, baked and/or steamed vegetables will keep the intestinal tract clear. It is also important to walk or run every day. Our intestinal track is very long and meat gets trapped in it for days. If you insist on eating meat, make sure you eat it with foods which contain enzymes, like raw greens and salads.

    I do not think its a good idea to talk to people you don't know without wearing a mask or stand too close to them for longer than five minutes. Wear a mask and stay out of crowded areas. Yoga and stretching helps energize the body. Be happy by watching movies which make you laugh or lift your spirits. Also, drink enough water, wash your hands and clothes and let the sun shine on your skin, (preferably your stomach area which helps the body absorb vitamin D3,) everyday.
    You will stay well and not risk death and other side effects, such as paralyzed legs or strokes by taking the vaccine.

    In 2019, My father got a flu shot at the doctors office. A month and a half later he got another flu shot at the pharmacy. They did not ask him for any medical records / history of what vaccines he had taken. He died two weeks after the second flu shot. I believe it inflamed his heart. He had been in very good health for a 90 year old. He took the vaccine as a precaution, but with a bit of forgetfulness took the a second one too soon after the first. Fatal mistake.

    T W I S I

    1. peoplepower73 profile image90
      peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Kathyrin:  You are saying the virus uses your intestines as a host and that is where it does it replication and if you are a vegetarian with clean intestines and colon, you will not get the virus? 

      So all the scientist who have done research and have developed the vaccine that has saved millions of lives are wrong, because that is the way you see it (TWISI)?...Sure it does!!!

      1. peoplepower73 profile image90
        peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Here is even a better explanation of how the vaccine works.  This should be presented to all the anti-vaxers so they can be educated to what is really happening when their body gets vaccinated with mRNA and how it deals with the virus.

        I believe this is the best explanation so far and it should even be put on national television for everybody to see and understand, why it so much different than an antibody flu shot.

        https://youtu.be/WOvvyqJ-vwo

        1. Readmikenow profile image96
          Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Can you explain the increase in "breakthrough" infections?  People who have been fully vaccinated are testing positive in the tens of thousands.  Some news reports say having the vaccine will lessen the symptoms, BUT the virus still has a 99 percent survival rate, according to the CDC.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            The virus has mutated away from the original strain, the vaccine is somewhat less effective. It will become even more ineffective with the next mutation. Soon we will be back at square one. 

            At this point, the vaccine is working with DELTA to produce a milder case of the virus. Hopefully, the next mutation gets weaker. This virus is not following the typical path most viruses take.

          2. peoplepower73 profile image90
            peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            RMN: Please show where the CDC said  the virus still has a 99 percent survival rate.

            1. Readmikenow profile image96
              Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              "The range of estimates put the fatality rate for those showing symptoms between 0.2%-1%, with a "best estimate" of 0.4%."

              It is less than 1 percent.

              https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac … 269331002/

              1. peoplepower73 profile image90
                peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                RMN: Are you saying people don't need to get the vaccine because only less than 1% die and more than 99% survive? 

                How about the stats on the number who wouldn't have survived if they had not been treated in hospitals in the first place? I guess we wouldn't have needed all those ventilators and care givers.

                Total Cases to date = 34.2M
                Up +60,838 today

                Total Deaths to date =  610K
                Up +397 today

                1. Readmikenow profile image96
                  Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  It's an individual choice.  99 percent survival rate is important information.

                  To put it in perspective, that is a higher survival rate than if you have a heart attack.

                  "Studies have found that survival rates for people hospitalized for heart attacks are approximately 90%2 to 97%.3 This varies based on the type of heart attack, which arteries are involved, and additional factors such as age and gender."

                  https://www.verywellhealth.com/how-to-s … 0Gilmartin

                  1. peoplepower73 profile image90
                    peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this
                  2. CHRIS57 profile image60
                    CHRIS57posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Sorry to jump in.
                    As valid as surveys on heart attack survival are, what does that number have to do with the 99%/1% that you mentioned? Nothing.

                    Numbers can only be compared if adjusted to the same rules. And the rule for the heart attack survey is: hospitalized.

                    So why don´t we look at survival/mortality rates for hospitalized Covid19 patients and then compare: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7920817/
                    That survey found out 17% mortality for hospitalized Covid patients. Me think that is another mangnitude, far more dangerous than a heart attack, which in itself is dangerous enough.

      2. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Dr. Bernard Jenson

      3. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        I am saying germs of all types multiply in the intestines. When the intestines and intestinal-track stop flowing properly, there is a back up of waste matter. Then, those germs / microbes flourish and multiply to dangerously high levels. Ordinarily, The immune system can fight off the the microbes by killing them, but when the level becomes too high, it looses the battle. Disease results, as germs get into the blood stream and affect areas of the body where they should not be.

      4. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        The scientists have a limited knowledge of the body and how it functions. They are experts using drugs and medicines but know very little about how God designed our bodies.

        1. peoplepower73 profile image90
          peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Kathryn:  Why did God design our bodies to be so susceptible to organisms that can only be seen with an electron microscope and can kill us? I think God should go back to the drawing board.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
            Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            ...  the truth remains. Our bodies fight off microbes and have the ability to do so unless we overload the system.

            Children (the majority) do not get Covid 19.
            How come?

  6. CHRIS57 profile image60
    CHRIS57posted 12 months ago

    ...Children (the majority) do not get Covid 19.
    How come?....

    If children are tested routinely, the picture is clear. In the UK the 7 day incidence for children is some 1200 per 100.000, 10 times as high as for example the current overall US infection average. With due respect, your statement is plain wrong.

    It is another question and the topic of this discussion that kids don´t get really sick from Covid19, symptoms are more like catching a cold. This could be tolerated if all others are protected by vaccination. Certainly worth a discussion.

    We should not get ourselves deluded by anecdotal fails of vaccination protection. With now 3.8 billion doses administered worldwide, what are we talking about concerning vaccination sideeffects and failures?

  7. Readmikenow profile image96
    Readmikenowposted 12 months ago

    https://hubstatic.com/15653630.jpg

    1. peoplepower73 profile image90
      peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      RMN:

      You have a way of creating false equivalences that compare apples to oranges. What does a border wall have to do with the Delta Variant? What do deaths from hear attacks have to do with survival rate of the virus? There is no way of changing your mind, because you premises is illogical.

      1. Readmikenow profile image96
        Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        It seems you are not good with analogies.  Many people are coming across the southern boarder who are rift with Covid 19.  That has a significant effect on the health of the citizens of the United States.  If you are serious about the spread of Covid 19, wouldn't you be concerned with stopping the spread of the people who have it coming across the southern boarder?

        https://nypost.com/2021/03/08/surge-in- … sed-in-us/

  8. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago

    Our bodies are SMART and STRONG. Why tamper with NATURE?

    we gotta learn to work with nature.
    sounds overly simplistic ... almost childish?
    well. yeah
    - that's how GOD designed it!

  9. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago

    "Much of the study on the immune response to SARS-CoV-2, the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19, has focused on the production of antibodies. But, in fact, immune cells known as memory T cells also play an important role in the ability of our immune systems to protect us against many viral infections, including—it now appears—COVID-19.

    An intriguing new study of these memory T cells suggests they might protect some people newly infected with SARS-CoV-2 by remembering past encounters with other human coronaviruses. This might potentially explain why some people seem to fend off the virus and may be less susceptible to becoming severely ill with COVID-19.

    The findings, reported in the journal Nature, come from the lab of Antonio Bertoletti at the Duke-NUS Medical School in Singapore [1]. Bertoletti is an expert in viral infections, particularly hepatitis B. But, like so many researchers around the world, his team has shifted their focus recently to help fight the COVID-19 pandemic.

    Bertoletti’s team recognized that many factors could help to explain how a single virus can cause respiratory, circulatory, and other symptoms that vary widely in their nature and severity—as we’ve witnessed in this pandemic. One of those potential factors is prior immunity to other, closely related viruses.

    SARS-CoV-2 belongs to a large family of coronaviruses, six of which were previously known to infect humans. Four of them are responsible for the common cold. The other two are more dangerous: SARS-CoV-1, the virus responsible for the outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), which ended in 2004; and MERS-CoV, the virus that causes Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS), first identified in Saudi Arabia in 2012.

    All six previously known coronaviruses spark production of both antibodies and memory T cells. In addition, studies of immunity to SARS-CoV-1 have shown that T cells stick around for many years longer than acquired antibodies. So, Bertoletti’s team set out to gain a better understanding of T cell immunity against the novel coronavirus."

    https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/07/2 … -covid-19/

    1. peoplepower73 profile image90
      peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Kathryn:  Your blog is over a year old.  Times have changed in what is known about Covid-19.  Wouldn't it be better to hedge your bets and get the vaccine than gamble with your immune system preventing the virus from infecting you?

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        NO

      2. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        "To better understand immune memory of SARS-CoV-2, researchers led by Drs. Daniela Weiskopf, Alessandro Sette, and Shane Crotty from the La Jolla Institute for Immunology analyzed immune cells and antibodies from almost 200 people who had been exposed to SARS-CoV-2 and recovered.

        Time since infection ranged from six days after symptom onset to eight months later. More than 40 participants had been recovered for more than six months before the study began. About 50 people provided blood samples at more than one time after infection.

        The research was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and National Cancer Institute (NCI). Results were published on January 6, 2021, in Science."

        https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-res … y-covid-19

        "The immune system can distinguish between normal, healthy cells and unhealthy cells by recognizing a variety of "danger" cues called danger-associated molecular patterns (DAMPs). Cells may be unhealthy because of infection or because of cellular damage caused by non-infectious agents like sunburn or cancer. Infectious microbes such as viruses and bacteria release another set of signals recognized by the immune system called pathogen-associated molecular patterns (PAMPs).

        "When the immune system first recognizes these signals, it responds to address the problem."

        "The immune system is complex and pervasive. There are numerous cell types that either circulate throughout the body or reside in a particular tissue. Each cell type plays a unique role, with different ways of recognizing problems, communicating with other cells, and performing their functions."

        https://www.niaid.nih.gov/research/immu … m-overview

        1. peoplepower73 profile image90
          peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Kathryn:

          "Time since infection ranged from six days after symptom onset to eight months later. More than 40 participants had been recovered for more than six months before the study began. About 50 people provided blood samples at more than one time after infection."


          Again, what they are describing is after recovery,.   Did you get the shots?  Yes or no?

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
            Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            of course not. My body is smart and I have been working on a strong immune system.  Why would I confuse it by introducing whatever it is in the vaccine. It will confuse an very wise body.

            1. peoplepower73 profile image90
              peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Kathryn:

              Good luck to your very wise body.

              1. crankalicious profile image93
                crankaliciousposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                What Kathryn doing is like walking in the street because a few people died walking on sidewalks.

                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  A FEW PEOPLE!!!????

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    I have many reasons for not getting the vaccine and many others do too. OH WELL!
                    What's it to anybody?

                  2. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Yes, a few.  A very, very few. 

                    Just how many people have died as a result of taking a vaccine?  Not simply after taking it - but as a direct result of getting poked?

                  3. CHRIS57 profile image60
                    CHRIS57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Don´t take this tooooo seriously...

                    An economist prooved statistically, that some guy getting drunk in a bar should drive home with his car. The probability of dying by falling down on the concrete sidewalk is higher than getting killed by drunk driving.

                    I can´t take all this discussion on not getting vaccinated serious any more.

                    Eventually it will be like the joke from the 80ties when first Sony Walkmen saw kids on the streets running aroung with headsets. The narrative was: This problems solves itself, because kids paying attention to their music and not to traffic will get run over more easily.

                    I think you understand what i mean. And yes - the topic is very serious. Only - the discussion response is not (in my understanding).

  10. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago

    Highlighting:

    "All six previously known coronaviruses spark production of both antibodies and memory T cells. In addition, studies of immunity to SARS-CoV-1 have shown that T cells stick around for many years longer than acquired antibodies."

  11. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago

    People should have very easy access to antibody-testing, Then we will know the truth of the matter.


    It it will be a huge
    GOOD GRIEF ! ! !

    ... and people with antibodies should certainly not get the vaccine.
    The vaccine makes our bodies very stupid and ignorant.
    Our bodies know what to do ... "Don't mess with Mother Nature or she'll

                                    BOX YOUR EARS"

    TWISI

  12. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago

    T CELLS / Natural Response

    "After people recover from infection with a virus, the immune system retains a memory of it. Immune cells and proteins that circulate in the body can recognize and kill the pathogen if it’s encountered again, protecting against disease and reducing illness severity.

    This long-term immune protection involves several components. Antibodies—proteins that circulate in the blood—recognize foreign substances like viruses and neutralize them. Different types of T cells help recognize and kill pathogens. B cells make new antibodies when the body needs them."
    “Several months ago, our studies showed that natural infection induced a strong response, and this study now shows that the responses last,” Weiskopf says.

    “We are hopeful, (HOPEFUL? yikes !) that a similar pattern of responses lasting over time will also emerge for the vaccine-induced responses.”

    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-res … y-covid-19

    1. peoplepower73 profile image90
      peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Kathryn:

      What your article is describing is how the immune system works after recovering from Covid-19, not what your immune system does when it gets infected.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        “We are hopeful, ( ( H O P E F U L ?  ! ) ) that a similar pattern of responses lasting over time will also emerge for the vaccine-induced responses.


        " An intriguing new study of these memory T cells suggests they might protect some people newly infected with SARS-CoV-2 by remembering past encounters with other human coronaviruses. This might potentially explain why some people seem to fend off the virus and may be less susceptible to becoming severely ill with COVID-19.responses.”

  13. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago
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    ValKarasposted 12 months ago

    I am not a Republican or a Democrat, or otherwise supporting any of those political careerists. So, playing with statistics for fun -- vaccines are said to be effective from 72% to 86% -- meaning that about 14% of those fully vaccinated could potentially die of Covid-19, unprotected.
    And then, it coincides with the percentage of about 14% of potential mortality from Covid-19 for everybody, whether vaccinated or not.
    Logically meaning that we are all playing Russian roulette, whether relying on  our natural immunity or the one received from vaccination.
    Personally, I am betting on my natural immunity, because it is called "nonspecific", ready to face ANY unfriendly microbe, as opposed to vaccination which is "specific" and ready to face only a small range of Covid family.
    Since viruses mutate in 10 hours, they may trick limited antibodies from vaccine, but can't trick a well nourished natural immunity. It's the one not having been greatly reduced by fearmongering by the authorities.
    Want real science? Study some psycho-neuro-immunology to find out how prolonged fear affects our immunity.
    Yes, just like in politics -- it all depends on whose "science" you PREFER to believe. LOL.

    1. peoplepower73 profile image90
      peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Val:  Do you know if the immunity from the shot interferes with your natural immunity? mRNA is not a weakened antibody.  It's part of genetic code that blocks the virus from replicating.

      What I'm asking is can your system have natural immunity at the same time it is getting immunity from the shot? In that way it covers both types of attacks 

      So you are saying, it's a toss-up from fear of getting the shot, lowering your immunity or fear of not getting the shot lowering your immunity.

      I don't know about a virus mutating every 10 hours.  I understand a mutation is caused when the virus replicates, the copy is not exactly the same as the original.  There are three types of mutations: the copy will increase the survival of the virus; or it will be benign and do nothing, or it will decrease the survival of the virus. Mutation is a form of natural selection and survival of the fittest.

      I also understand that it takes so long to produce antibodies like the flu vaccine is because it takes years for the virus to mutate to become weakened.  mRNA does not have to go through that process because it is  a genetic code, not a mutated, and weakened virus.

      My wife had been plagued for years with a rash that doctors could only say that it was her immune system going bananas. She got her second Moderna shot in March and has not had an outbreak of that rash since then.  I don't know if that is a coincidence or not. But something must have boosted her immunity to that allergy.

    2. CHRIS57 profile image60
      CHRIS57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      ValKaras, there is nothing like  ..."science" you PREFER to believe...
      Science is not for believers, it is for those who reckon and make conclusions.

      Maybe 5 months ago there was little proof for the science you question.

      But not now. In all countries with significant vaccination the death toll is down and infection rate is down. With more than 3,8 billion doses administered, most of the doses in developed countries, the evidence of effectiveness is overwhelming.

      And the USA choose to have a real life laboratory to proove correlation between virus spreading in more vaccinated and less vaccinated states.

      You accept shots against anthrax, pox, pneumonia, TBC - because you may need it for travelling, but not Covid19 vax? You accept Tetanus vaccination even for kids (mostly a cocktail of tetanus, influenca B, diphteria, polio, hepatitis B), because otherwise they are not admitted to Kindergarten, but not...

      Ok, stick to your natural immunity. If all people ever thought that way, why do we need vaccinations in the first place. The method of vaccination was developed centuries ago. Would have been totally unnecessary if natural immunity always took care. With due respect: Pure nonsense, your comment.

      Why are 99% of those hospitalized with Covid not vaccinated?

    3. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
      Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      "Personally, I am betting on my natural immunity, because it is called

      ---->"nonspecific", ready to face  A N Y  unfriendly microbe, as opposed to vaccination which is

      ---->"specific" and ready to face only a  SMALL RANGE  of Covid family.

      Since viruses mutate in 10 hours, they may trick limited antibodies from vaccine, but can't trick a well nourished natural immunity.

      It's the one not having been greatly reduced by  f e a r m o n g e r I n g  by the authorities.

      ---->Want real science? Study some psycho-neuro-immunology to find out how  p r o l o n g e d  f e a r  affects our immunity." Valkaras.


      Brilliant.

      I highly recommend reading his article on this matter too.

  15. Castlepaloma profile image73
    Castlepalomaposted 12 months ago

    I'm an open and trusting person. When it comes to Bankers, pharmaceutical, Big Government and multimedia, I would not be trusting.

    Since the roll out of vaccines, covid death have doubled in speed. People are told what work they can and can't not do. They Live on your savings and suppose to stay away from everyone.

    I rather take the covid and have my 99.50 chance of survival. Than to cut out all the most important things and people in my life.

    The fear and isolation is the worst thing for your immune system. This is treason and criminal to the highest degree.

    1. peoplepower73 profile image90
      peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Castlepaloma:

      You believe what you want, but there is a natural order to everything.  It's called survival of the fittest and how well a species adapts to change. If anti-vaxxers don't want to get vaccinated, the virus will deal with them and then there goes their gene pool.  It's natures way of dealing with survival of the fittiest...Good luck.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image73
        Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        I'm vaccinated more than probably anyone on line here for touring 4 continents. Just not this experimential mix cocktail for jabs for jobs.

        Actually T Rex is the fittest for his time.  Yet it was the species who were most adaptabal like taridergrade and jellyfish for more than 500 millions years are the flexibility winners. I'm like the 1% who has been preparing for this 10 years ago.

        The people who follow tyranny or T Rex will die off sooner.
        Who could that be today?

        1. peoplepower73 profile image90
          peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Castle: To answer your question, it could probably be you.  What you are calling experimental has saved literally thousands of lives.  You do what you want, but your are not only jeopardizing others, but your own gene pool.

          The fact that you toured four continents and received all those vaccines was probably before Covid.  Those vaccines were probably anti-bodies, not genetic code.  mRNA is a world of difference compared to a weakened virus antibody.

          https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/hea … 915465002/

          1. Castlepaloma profile image73
            Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            https://youtu.be/X29lF43mUlo

            The immune system is far stronger than any viruses or disease. According to WHO Covid in not in the top ten ways to die globally. Isolation and fear cases most damage to our immune systems.

            One example is only O.005 have died or give it over inflation ridiculously 1% will die from Covid so far on earth. Heart disease 32% of people will die of all people. What is the no brainer on what to focus, for our human species survival?

            This is a propreganda Machine and a distraction for the collapse of the monotary system that's gone into super hyper inflation, not ever seen. Covid  killing us and harming us far greater with skyrocketing anti relationships, poverty, isolation, disinformation, suicides, lack of care to cancers and all other health conditions.tech giant monopolistic our thoughts, and big Pharma holding vaccines for bargaining clips for other countries military bases and vital resources.

            A medical report 78% of Covid death certificates who are obese and 94% are probably 2 or more other health condition that is truly killing them other than Covid. The 6% purely Covid according to CDC stats.
            The wealthy are enjoying a record breaking profits ever, wail 35% of establish small business go under. Laughing all the way to the bank.

            Most insane Government and wealthy gone wild. Take away our liberty for temporary safety. We loose both liberty and safety.. then gain tyranny.

            1. peoplepower73 profile image90
              peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Castle:   So all of that is the reason you are not getting the vaccine?  You are using the same ploy the gun people use. "More people are killed by cars than mass shootings.  You can be killed by knife and forks.  Why aren't they banned." What you are calling the "propaganda machine" is really a giant excuse and  distraction for you and others not getting the vaccine.

              All the antivaxxers believe that their immune systems will save them from becoming ill from the virus.  However, what makes one sick after being infected from the virus is your immune system overreacting to the infection. 

              It's called a cytokine storm and causes your body to become overwhelmed from the its own immune system trying to fight off the virus. Underlying health conditions do make this worse.  That's why people with underlying conditions are more susceptible to being infected from the virus. 

              People should be educated with the science, not the politics. This is why unvaccinated people die from the virus. It is their own immune system attacking them.

              When you get an allergy, it is your immune system generating histamines to deal with a foreign substance. It causes an allergic reaction including rashes, coughs, sneezing, and many other reactions. That's why we have antihistamines that you buy in a drug store to shut-off the histamines. But a cytokine storm has no off switch. The purpose of the  vaccine is to stop the virus from replicating before your immune system goes into a cytokine storm.

              https://youtu.be/z5m0tNII9NE

              1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                I'm living proof that the immune system is more powerful than any viruses. Traveling in about 70 third world countries, more vaccinated than anyone I know. Just not this messup guinea pig experimental cocktail that killed all lab animals vaccined.

                Too much labeling and dividing people like the propreganda wealthy can pick on. Then the Government joins on the weak like 95% Covid victims over age 50 die of covid. In order to steal their social security. Just follow the top money you fine Big Pharma dominated and high technology record profits. Vaxxers most often automatically label me with Trump antivaxxer, right wing Christians extremes and so on. Not me every thing in moderation. These one-sided vaccines is the greatest extremist  ever came across in my lifetime.

                Just the terrorism front lines for two decades was bull also. You more likely to be killed by an infant weapon than a middle East terrorism in America.

                Same group of people doing this with biological weapons who went to a new level. Regardless of when there is 10 greater things than Covid that kill us.

                My education of the fittest is in natural foods, sleep and medcines. Not the leading cause of death in the world, the mainstream medical profession.
                Top 4
                Heart disease
                Cancer
                Medical error
                Prescription drug.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                  Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Generally dislike politicians, with the exception of Ron Paul.

                  America Masks are just  psychological a form of manipulation. Many reputable physicians
                  And scientist have said they are worthless and potential harmful. Lockdowns are meant to condition people to obey without question. A Nation of people who of people who just do what they are told by the experts. Is a Nation ripe of decency and force into tyranny.

                  1. peoplepower73 profile image90
                    peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Castle:  We buy you books and what do you do?  You take them home and tear the pages out. I truly hope your great immune system gets through all of this. Take away all the politics and the virus would still be here and making people sick and killing them, except you and the other antivaxxers. Why is it now so many antivaxxers are ending up in hospitals?  Some are even dying from the virus.

              2. CHRIS57 profile image60
                CHRIS57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                PP73: I think it is useless. All arguments you rightly bring up have been brought somewhere else in this forum, either in this thread or in other related discussions. Apparently doesn´t get us anywhere.

                And they won´t answer the question on how the pandemic should be finished for good, because for them there is no pandemic.

                A lot of ignorance and egoism and self overestimation.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                  Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Your point is a good one. Not many will discuss how we rid ourselves of COVID before it becomes something we can't get rid of. I blame our Government and media for not concentrating on the fact that this virus will likely mutate, and continue to mutate until we can stamp it out with a huge herd. A herd that could be easily formed with the vaccine.

                  We don't know what another mutation will bring, it could be catastrophic.  The government needs to put forth facts on what typical viruses and that mutations can't really be predicted.  Here in the US people are much confused due to the daily walk backs and flip-flops... 

                  I think the media should concentrate on what could come of this, not stats...  Many are just considering the stats, and feeling comfortable with the numbers. Not realizing this virus needs to be stopped due to its very virulent unpredictable nature.

                  1. Valeant profile image87
                    Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Doubt those resisting the vaccines will listen to the government, especially when you've got Trump, Rand Paul, and DeSantis undermining the top specialist who has been warning of variants for a long time.

                    But happy to see some on the right understanding the dangers the variants will pose.  Bravo.

                  2. Ken Burgess profile image84
                    Ken Burgessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    OK, I did some research, I was about to argue that the vaccine would not help with "stamping out" Covid.  And in truth, as we see it has mutated already, there is a good chance it might not... but to be fair I found this:

                    syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) and Alphainfluenzavirus are RNA viruses that cause coronavirus disease-19 and influenza, respectively. Both viruses infect the respiratory tract, show similar symptoms, and use surface proteins to infect the host. Influenza requires hemagglutinin and neuraminidase to infect, whereas SARS-CoV-2 uses protein S. Both viruses depend on a viral RNA polymerase to express their proteins, but only SARS-CoV-2 has a proofreading mechanism, which results in a low mutation rate compared to influenza. E1KC4 and camostat mesylate are potential inhibitors of SARS-CoV-2 S protein, achieving an effect similar to oseltamivir. Due to the SARS-CoV-2 low mutation rate, nucleoside analogs have been developed (such as EIDD-2801), which insert lethal mutations in the viral RNA. Furthermore, the SARS-CoV-2 low mutation rate suggests that a vaccine, as well as the immunity developed in recovered patients, could provide long-lasting protection compared to vaccines against influenza, which are rendered obsolete as the virus mutates.

                    So the question now becomes why don't they come out and tell people this?

                    The effort from DC and some Governors to communicate to Americans seems to be "DO IT because we ordered you to do it, or else" as well as "You'll have to carry ID showing you got your vaccine".

                    If the President had a 10 minute Address the Nation program that all the networks covered and he explained (more thoroughly and more layman terms) that one quoted paragraph above so that Americans understood what was being asked of them... I bet there would be far less resistance.

                    I still wouldn't let my two sons get it, because the reaction to the vaccine is more likely to be harmful, even fatal, to them compared to the risk of the virus, but that too could be explained in the Address.  Or they could hold off on boys 18 and under getting the vaccine until they discover the causes and find a resolution to the problem.

                    Now Biden did come out and tackle Covid in such an address months ago:

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZBquj94CGU

                    But there was no explanations like I noted above. In fact that was so tough to watch as he rambled on and occasionally lost track of what he was talking about... maybe we need him to get up there, say a few words, and then hand it off to a Medical expert to explain, using a couple charts.

                    When more experts are presented that explain why the vaccine is safe, and explain that it will curb Covid... unlike their inability to curb the Flu, I think a lot more people would support it.

                    Right now, still have a lot of doubts, and all the research I have done has done nothing to alleviate my concerns... because there are still a lot of debates and concerns throughout the Medical field (CDC, WHO included) regarding Covid and the Vaccines.

                2. Castlepaloma profile image73
                  Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  If Chris and PP are having an angry discussion with me.
                  Then we all loose because angry is too inefficient. Slandering also gets us nowhere for nobody.

                  We all have shared sacred human rights to each of our own bodies and love to share healthy lifestyle in fact it's my profession lately.
                  The assume authorities want to take these human rights away. As I warned many months ago about mandates and  most disagree again.

                  I suppose anyone toward their suicide or genocide for their own weakness and wishes. Just don't forced me as a volunteer guinea pig to join all the other vaccines lad animals who died for their worshipped billionaires..

                  My family is safe due to  professional healthy housing and health product sales. We are not daze and confused by politicians and toxic products. Plus Covid 19 Pounds 78% die of.

                  This viruse can not be stopped. Yet can be controled, just like how we controled the flu for 100 year. In adult life I did not catch the flu. Wonder if it was the flu shots,  I didn't take.

                  1. Valeant profile image87
                    Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    I don't get the flu vaccine yearly, so hard to argue with people about getting the Covid vaccine.  I don't see the flu as a threat to myself, so I can understand this thinking. 

                    But I also see a significant difference in the flu, which is contagious for a day, as opposed to Covid with a ten day period.  Also, the death rate for Covid is currently 3x higher than the flu.  So, while similar, definitely some differences that one should consider.

    2. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
      Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      You would rather get the cold/flu, fight it off naturally with your own T cells and antibodies  You would rather activate the natural system (within your own body) which  p r o d u c e s  the antibodies which W I L L fight off that virus and any other viruses and variations/ mutations that invade.

      ME TOO!

      After all, HEALTH as you say, IS wealth.

      and on top of that we, the fittest, will survive.
      Yay us! ... and all those who know/acknowldge the truth.

  16. profile image0
    ValKarasposted 12 months ago

    Chriss57 -- Nobody's comment here is a "pure nonsense". We are all civilized commenters respecting others' right to a different opinion. That's what freedom of speech is all about. Furthermore, yes, science certainly IS a "matter of belief", ever since it has become a dogma of the mainstream -- according to some medical scientists who have been silenced in style of a Medical Inquisition.
    There are totally scientific, yet different intellectual tastes involved between academics in fields of medicine, physics, history, origin of man, nutrition...etc. Nobody is holding the bag with the ultimate truth, and the same goes for those in business of vaccines, which, by the way, haven't been tested by an independent lab, but by the labs of the producers.
    And, if vaccines are really so safe, why is it that their producers are not liable?
    In the US alone every year about 350,000 people die from so called iatrogenic causes -- or the ones referring to medical and pharmaceutical screwups. Why are this vaccines to be viewed out of those statistics? Because they are as "scientifically based" as all those drugs and treatments that kill all those 350,000 patients each and every year?
    None of the statistics in department of vaccinations matter one bit, because many factors are involved in someone's benefiting or not from vaccination, Seeing it as universally effective is against any empirical logic. Namely, any psycho-neuro-immunologist will tell you how this prolonged fearmongering has lowered people's immunity. So, it's not so much about "how lethal" the virus is, but how weakened our immunity has become -- whether from prolonged fearmongering, isolation, financial uncertainties, or from any preexisting genetic predisposition or ongoing diagnoses.
    Again, too much is at play in all this, and we just can't use a broad brush here to paint vaccines in some vibrant rosy colors.
    The bottom line is -- to each their own, let everyone be responsible for their own health without being coerced into doing what is against their logicalness..
    After all, what are those vaccinated worried about -- they can't get sick, for if they can, why did they get vaccinated?

    1. CHRIS57 profile image60
      CHRIS57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Relying on your own health and immune system to fight a deadly pandemic is nonsense. Period. You simply can´t meditate or lifestyle the virus away.

      With respect to the numbers you gave on the US: I read that the average life expectancy in the US has dropped 1,5 years in 2020, now at 77 years from birth. I think we can assume that your 350 kilo screwups per years was already accounted for in previous years. As far as i understand the life expectancy drop was assigned to Covid19 and intensified drug abuse (some 50/50) https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru … w-ii-covid

      I know that a lot of folks like you with resistance to vaccination are still out on the streets and endanger their fellow neighbours by catching and spreading the virus. It is not about personal choice. It is about protecting others.

  17. profile image0
    ValKarasposted 12 months ago

    Mike -- A friendly response to your line of thinking...
    I haven't been for a yearly medical checkup for some 15 years, and during all this covid-racket I've been quite exposed to the virus, without getting sick. You see, I don't believe that medicine is necessary for my survival.
    Actually, talking about survival, that Darwinian phrase "survival of the fittest" may apply to the animal and plant kingdoms, whereas in humans it is "survival of the most conscious".
    When you study epigenetics, you come to the new medicine of mind being in charge of cellular level of vitality. Virus is merely an agent, or carrier of information and a certain energy frequency, which cannot affect a cell with its genome expression in higher frequencies. We are constantly sending emotional signals to our cellular intelligence, upregulating, or downregulating our genes' expressions.
    "Natural immunity" is just another phrase -- there is so much more involved when we look at human nature in a holistic way, not a reductionist, mechanistic way of medicine. We are much more than a bunch of chemicals helped by another bunch of chemicals.
    We are conscious beings -- or else we are allowing ourselves to be a biological robots programmed by the authorities of a whole garden variety.
    Just because medical and political authorities are so loud these days, that doesn't make them correct.
    Many of those vaccinated may be helped by sheer placebo effect, feeling that they have taken a sip from a Holy Grail.
    I am not against vaccination, I am only against myself getting vaccinated.
    And you don't have to "feel sorry" for our kind. We are not ignorant, we are brave, we are the ones having faith in the course of the nature -- our human nature.

    1. peoplepower73 profile image90
      peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Val:  Why are there so many cases of the Delta Variant ending up in hospitals saying they trusted Fox News' anti-vax  messaging?

      I believe survival of any organism, including non-organic systems is based on how well they can adapt to change. If you can't adapt to change, the system will reject you.

      I believe there are many people out there who are really ignorant of what the virus is about and how the vaccine works.  That's not to say they are ignorant in other matters, but I feel that if the media would educate them without politics from Fox News, the world would be a better place.

      https://ktvz.com/videos/2021/07/14/hear … 19-deaths/

      https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1016980224

  18. profile image0
    ValKarasposted 12 months ago

    Chris57 -- Masks are worn for protecting others, not ourselves. Since you still have to wear it even after being fully vaccinated, that means that you are a potential spreader. So what's the difference for the "neighbors" if I step in front of them wearing a mask, or you do -- also if you take your mask off or I do, because we are both potential spreaders? And then, why do you worry about  us -- you can't get the virus from us. Or if you still can even after getting vaccinated, then why did you get vaccinated?
    Anyway, I am done with your kind of reasoning. Enjoy your vaccine. Bye. .

    1. peoplepower73 profile image90
      peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Val:  That's news to me.  I thought masks were worn to not only protect ourselves from inhaling aerosol droplets of the virus spread by others as well as keeping us from spreading the virus. I got the vaccine because I hedge my bets based on a very small percentage of people get it after being vaccinated...Two mRNA Moderna shots so far so good.

    2. CHRIS57 profile image60
      CHRIS57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      ValKaras, a virus can´t live without a host.

      So the goal of all efforts to fight the pandemic is simply to let the virus not find new hosts.

      One measure is to wear masks, for 1 major and 1 minor reason:
      major reason: passive, protect yourself from incoming virus loads,
      minor reason: active, prevent spreading through the air, why minor? Because this does not prevent spreading through direct contact (that is what washing hands is for).

      The other method to not let the virus find a host is have potential host vaccinated, thus not letting the virus get a hold on your organism.

      A last word, this not about you (antivax) or me (vaccinated). It is about others. If you get your shot and drop out as potential host, this will have the virus run dry. It is about solidarity.

      1. Readmikenow profile image96
        Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        "If you get your shot and drop out as potential host, this will have the virus run dry."

        This is not true.  If you get a shot you still have a good chance of getting Covid as well as dying from Covid.  So, if you are a vaxer or unvaccinated...you can still be a host.

        1. CHRIS57 profile image60
          CHRIS57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

          There is a small statistic probability that you might get the virus after being vaccinated. But that is almost anecdotal.

          Anyways this discussion will soon be void if more and more private enterprises exercise their rights to refuse customers, employees without vaccination.

          Ok, i understand that in the US some states put legal obstacles in the way of this. Will only amplify the differences between vax and antivax states.

          Eventually fear of getting the virus with serious consequences will override fear of getting a vaccine. 

          It is so ridiculous, this blue and red, this vax and antivax game in the USA.

          1. Readmikenow profile image96
            Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            "more and more private enterprises exercise their rights to refuse customers, employees without vaccination"

            This makes me realize why some of the worst dictators in history have come from Europe.  This is no no longer about how to handle a vaccine...it's more about control of a person's life.

            They don't have that right in the United States.  There are those of us who have the freedom to refuse government control.

            In the United States, we're citizens, unlike in Europe, who still think like they're subjects of a monarchy.

  19. profile image0
    ValKarasposted 12 months ago

    Readmikenow -- Unfortunately, Constitutions allow that those who get elected by voters are not "serving" them, but are acting as their "masters". People are not granted freedom by their governments as a "mercy" or a "favor" that people should be grateful for- but freedom is something that they are entitled to, it's their unquestionable birthright, nothing to do with governments' decisions.

    1. Readmikenow profile image96
      Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Val,

      I agree with you.  Is Canada putting pressure on people to get the vaccine?

  20. PurvisBobbi44 profile image92
    PurvisBobbi44posted 12 months ago

    Hi,
    You might want to research the HIPAA Law. You cannot ask anyone if they have or have not taken the Covid-19 Vaccine. This was passed in 1996 by I believe 104 Congress. It protects your health information.

    You have to sign a consent form for your doctors to receive information if you are hospitalized.

    Bobbi Purvis

    1. peoplepower73 profile image90
      peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Bobbi:  Thank you for pointing that out.  This is straight from the HIPAA Journal.

      https://www.hipaajournal.com/is-it-a-hi … ne-status/

  21. IslandBites profile image89
    IslandBitesposted 12 months ago

    Easy explanation for dense people. Some here really need it.

    https://twitter.com/Klefti/status/1419137012808835072

    1. peoplepower73 profile image90
      peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      IslandBites:   LMAOROTF!!!  Thank  you for that. I needed a good laugh.

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        It is good isn't it? lol

        But now I'm hearing that the death toll from COVID is falling, so we don't need vaccinations.  Just as we don't need drunk driving laws because the death toll from DUI has fallen.  Or we don't need the TSA because 911 has not been repeated.  Or a military because we haven't been attacked in 70 years. 

        The thinking behind "We don't need <whatever> because it works and solved the problem it was designed for is beyond me.

  22. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago

    the vaccine is experimental

    1. peoplepower73 profile image90
      peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Kathryn:  Only because the FDA hasn't approved it yet.  How many people has it prevented from getting the virus?

      1. Readmikenow profile image96
        Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        It has also done quite a bit of damage to people.  Thousands dead from the vaccine, thousands dead after the vaccine, vaccinated people still catching COVID and dying from it, so many side effects, the CDC doesn't update its own data base. 

        And yet, leaders want people to put an experimental drug into their bodies.  Doesn't make any sense. 

        There was a recently leaked memo from the CDC by the Washington Post...it seems that the Delta Variant is focused on those who have the vaccine.  What now?

        1. CHRIS57 profile image60
          CHRIS57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Experimental drug ??

          New vaccine, yes. Experimental: No. With almost 4 billion doses administered worldwide, only anecdotal sideeffects. What are you talking about?

          The 4 billion doses were administered mostly in countries, who could care less about the politicising that you encounter in the USA. And fatalities and hospitalizations are down.

          The narrative from the leaked memo seems to be: Treat vaccinated people the same as unvaccinated people with respect to testing and mask wearing, because vaccinated may be unsymptomatic spreaders of the Delta variant. That makes sense to me, not what you made of it... "the Delta Viarant is focused on those who have the vaccine"...

          1. Ken Burgess profile image84
            Ken Burgessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            A typical vaccine has gone through 15 to 20 years of research and testing.

            This would typically be on GENERATIONS of lab rats and other animals, to see the long term side effects (if any), to identify risks, to see if changes occur to future generations that can be traced to the vaccine.

            This particular new vaccine, is a NEW TECHNOLOGY, this form of vaccine has NEVER been used on humans before.  There have been NO long term tests done on generations of lab rats or any other animals.

            We will only know what damage this vaccine causes to people who get it, short term, long term, and in future generations, in the years ahead....  there is no documented history to work off of... its impact on our genes is completely unknown.

            If that doesn't fit your definition of 'experimental', what does?

            1. CHRIS57 profile image60
              CHRIS57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Does it necessarily need 20 years to be not "experimental"?

              Then don´t use anything that is not tested for a long period of time.
              With a smile: I thought this kind of thinking was reserved to nanny Europeans.

              For now the vaccine prevents damage from people, not causes damage.

              From my childhood experience with Polio vax, to smallpox vax scratching (required for travelling in the 60ties and 70ties ..to the USA..) to regular flu shots, none of those vaccines took years to develop. And now the Covid stuff? I got a cross vaccination (1st shot Astraseneca, 2nd shot Biontech/Phizer) without even noticing anything at all.

              Every morning, noon and evening we let into our body lots of artificial stuff (simply by eating and drinking). What is the big deal about getting vaccinated? Except this being a political (lifestyle) expression.

              1. Ken Burgess profile image84
                Ken Burgessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Polio Vax
                https://flo.health/health-articles/dise … ne-history

                Smallpox Vax

                https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/ … ted-covid/

                These vaccines took a long time to develop, there were issues along the way, even when they had the first vaccines, it was years before they got them "right".

                What is the big deal about getting vaccinated?

                I'll leave that for you to research the experimental nature of the mRNA vaccines which are a 'new technology' and we don't know the long term impacts they will have, or how they will impact long term health.

                It's nice that you got it, be prepared to get it again in another 9 months or so, as these vaccines only have a effectiveness of a year or less.

                1. CHRIS57 profile image60
                  CHRIS57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Ken, my job took me to many places on this planet. And until the late 80ties, for most remote locations you were required to get vaccinated to be eligable for visa. Nobody complained, getting a vaccine shot was part of the job.

                  So today with vaccine development watched so closely and held transparent, why have any issues with it?

                  I probably get 2 shots in october, 1 regular, updated flu shot and 1 Covid19. If i don´t get into serious trouble, i still have 2 arms by then, so nothing to worry about.

                  With the latest preliminary information on vaccines and the Delta variant i suppose the virus will stay with us and we will have to adapt. Adapt either by accepting vax shots regularily or by going through infection at some time and after antibodies are worn out again and again get infected. 

                  About the experimental nature of mRNA? The development was derived from mRNA cancer treatment vaccines. In other words, the BioNTech people in Mainz didn´t start from scratch. They only adapted their development to the Covid19 virus. That is why they were so fast.

                  We followed this development from the very beginning in Jan. last year. The brain behind, the chief medical officer is the wife of the CEO and she is a local of my region. Was interesting to see how she jumped into public focus.

                  1. Readmikenow profile image96
                    Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    It is STILL an experimental vaccine with unknown long term effects and all of the possible side effects are still unknown.

                    These are facts. 

                    To get the answers to these questions will take TIME.

              2. Readmikenow profile image96
                Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                "From my childhood experience with Polio vax, to smallpox vax scratching (required for travelling in the 60ties and 70ties ..to the USA..) to regular flu shots, none of those vaccines took years to develop."

                On this point you are wrong.  I will illustrate the polio vaccine. 

                The research on the polio vaccine started in 1947.  The first polio vaccine was administered by Jonas Salk to his family in 1954.  That's seven years.   It didn't become available for the public until 1955...which is eight years.  So, lets see where we are with this vaccine eight years from now.  The polio vaccine was NOT an experimental vaccine. 

                https://poliovaccinenhd.weebly.com/timeline.html

                1. CHRIS57 profile image60
                  CHRIS57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  RMN: if i understood correctly then the time between mass testing and admission was 1 year for Salk´s vaccine. However production methods must have been archaic, so in some cases active viruses were injected and caused real problems and suspension of the vaccine distribution.

                  That was in the 50ties. At that time  i must have been one of the guinea pigs in the first years of mass administration, when i got the vaccine. Anyways, you are right, vaccine developments don´t pop up instantly.

                  But that was also not the case for the mRNA vaccines of today. At least BioNtech had long history of RNA modified immune response vaccines.

                  They had their  "prototype" ready in Febr. or March 2020. What took time was to go through all the test stages and approvals. The management of BioNTech teamed up with Phizer to get the firepower of a larger international company for production and distribution. Until 2019 BioNTech was a fairly small, family run business. Too bad i didn´t buy stock when they went public in 2019.

        2. CHRIS57 profile image60
          CHRIS57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

          An update and explanation on the leaked CDC findings:

          https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 … 21261295v1

          This study looked at the dynamics of virus loads in an infected person. The study found out that initially after infection the virus load (especially delta) is similar for vaccinated and not vaccinated people.

          However vaccinated people reduced their virus load much faster than unvaccinated.

          This explanation builds a bridge between the CDC wording and the real world effectiveness of vaccination. After a day or 2 the vaccinated people are no more infectuous while the unvaccinated are.

          I understand, this doesn´t make matters less complicated, but the new study findings make very much sense.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image73
            Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            All you can get out of Fauci is it's complicated. Gates, it will be 10 times worst covid waves in the future.

            It's nice they have job security where monetary currency systems are domino collapsing, country by country and want simple food rather than toxic vaccines.

  23. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago

    Right now, I am fine as I am. I stay away from people, I wash my hands. I eat healthfully focusing on my immune system, T cells and antibodies. Why would I give a perfectly working system a CONCOCTION which COULD interrupt and even R U I N  that system? 
    After all, many have been maimed or killed by the vaccination.

    I just don't want to be one of them.

    I sorta like living as I am: whole and healthy.
    ... and I'll keep myself that way naturally with mindfulness.
    If I fail trying, oh well. At least it wast't because I acted in fear and then stupidly took a experimental vaccine.
    for a COLD GERM.
    Ridiculous.

    ( PS Every animal tested on it died.)

    1. AliciaC profile image96
      AliciaCposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Please share authoritative references for your statements that "Many have been maimed or killed by the vaccination" and "Every animal tested on it died."

  24. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago

    ... focus calmly on health. The answers will come.

  25. Readmikenow profile image96
    Readmikenowposted 12 months ago

    https://hubstatic.com/15668415_f1024.jpg

    1. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Miike, I believe all of the above are the tools the Biden administration is trying to utilizing to make an effort to tear the country down, to destroy our very democracy. These are all concepts of Marxism/ Communism.  However,  I am very much encouraged that more American's have become aware of the Dems ploys.  It won't take too much more, for Biden to become the most disliked president in our history IMO. His polls are already indicating the growing dislike for this man.  Biden is failing at the job, quicker than I ever dreamed he would.

      1. peoplepower73 profile image90
        peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Sharlee:  Here is the latest poll from Reuters (One of your favorite news outlets).

        https://graphics.reuters.com/USA-BIDEN/ … index.html

        1. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

          CNBC’s All-America Economic survey showed 48% of American adults approved of the job Biden is doing as president, up a point from the first quarter. But his disapproval numbers grew as well, to 45% from 41%.-Just 22% give the economy positive marks now and are optimistic. 
          https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/03/bidens- … urvey.html

          https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/0 … ing-502439  Poll:    ---    Biden’s approval rating falls on Covid-19 concerns
          The Quinnipiac survey found the president’s overall approval rating fell to 46 percent as some Americans lost faith in the pandemic response.

          Please check out Rasmussens polls. They give daily polls for several poll takers.

          He is tanking in the polls weekly. In regard to his job performance with COVID  --- He is failing.... He should not be offering cash or incentives. That speaks down to people. he should be offering true information on the science of viruses.  If more people had solid information on viruses they might make a more educated opinion on getting the vaccine. Biden divides, takes down to American's. He has failed with pulling the country together to fight COVID. He has pitted one against the other, as IMO he set out to do. 

          American's are waking up to the ploys of divide and conquer, and it shows in the polls.  The old divide and conquer ploy is just that --- old, and warn out.

    2. peoplepower73 profile image90
      peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      RMN:  That is precisely the way conservative view the world, but in fact, that is also how Trump governed this country.

    3. Castlepaloma profile image73
      Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Control
      Oppress
      Victimise
      Isolate
      Divide

      That is actually what is happening.

      Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

  26. PurvisBobbi44 profile image92
    PurvisBobbi44posted 12 months ago

    Many of my friends who are mothers are afraid of having their children take the vaccine because of a possibility it might cause sterilization. There are no guarantees in this vaccine which does have side effects such as Bell's palsy.

    As Americans we have a choice. And, making people show their card as proof of having taken the vaccine is going against the HIPAA mandate of 1996. I am sure there will be a lot if busy attorneys if this keeps happening.

    This is a power play and since most people listen to the controlled media and not doing any research of their own. And, not watching the truth on a few YouTube channels. Listen to Dan Bongino on YouTube--get the truth and be educated in the times we are living.

    Until Later,
    Bobbi Purvis

  27. gmwilliams profile image83
    gmwilliamsposted 12 months ago

    Republicans aren't doing such things.  They are seeing the madness of instituting draconian measures.    Democrats are doing the OPPOSITE.  New York City is instituting draconian measure which REQUIRE people to present VACCINATION ID in order to go to museums and restaurants.  How TYRANNICAL is that?   The COVID-19 vaccine isn't safe.  There have been evidence of people dying from the aftereffects of the vaccination.    Republicans are protecting people's freedoms.  Republicans haven't devolved into dictators like Democrats have. I DON'T trust the COVID-19 vaccine, many of my family members died as a result of the vaccination.

    1. AliciaC profile image96
      AliciaCposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Have you told your local health authorities that many of your family members died as a result of the vaccination? You need to share the evidence for their cause of death with the authorities. It's vital that you do this.

    2. Castlepaloma profile image73
      Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Sorry GM to hear that some of your family members have died from the vaccines.

      They won't listen or report these vaccines deaths because of propreganda machine to vaccines the entire planet including animals, which totally insane.

      The delta variant dose not give tests. Yet claim most Covid viruses are this stain by mostly unvaccinated. What they do is test for Covid and guess they are delta variants. It's all lies, lies, lies folks.

      1. AliciaC profile image96
        AliciaCposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        There is a test for the delta variant, though it's not routinely used.

        https://www.dshs.state.tx.us/coronaviru … -faqs.aspx

        1. Castlepaloma profile image73
          Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          They send the odd sample to science lab and call it delta variants.


          The vast majority doctors guess each case is delta variant. Then assume authorities say 99% cases are from unvaccinated patients. Which is a complete fabricated lies.
          Try calling up any authority on delta Variant and tell them you think you got delta variant because your unvaccinated, they won't test you because there isn't any test lab for delta variant or any politicians or hospital who can direct anyone.

          They are completely brainwashing and fear mongering the public time and time again.
          And nobody really cares.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
            Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Yeah, what makes it a  " v a r i a n t, "  anyway?

            1. AliciaC profile image96
              AliciaCposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              The delta variant of the virus has genetic differences from the other variants. These cause its spike proteins to be different. The spikes are what latch onto our cells and enable the virus to infect us. The article below can only be read in its entirety by subscribers, but the critical part is available for everybody to read.

              https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-makes … 1627637402

          2. AliciaC profile image96
            AliciaCposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            There is a test for the delta variant, as I mentioned before. Here’s an article that I just found that is related to British Columbia, where I live. I’ve included two significant paragraphs.

            http://www.bccdc.ca/health-info/disease … 9/variants

            “The BCCDC Public Health Lab performs whole genome sequencing (WGS) on most positive COVID-19 cases. This gives scientists more accurate information about all of the COVID-19 variants in the province.”

            “Information on VoC (Variants of Concern) types is collected for public health surveillance and is routinely reported to health officials across BC.  The type of VoC a person has does not affect the medical care they receive. Therefore, this information is not routinely reported for the purpose of patient care.”

            1. Castlepaloma profile image73
              Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Variant means form or version of something that differs in some respect from other forms of the same thing or from a standard.

              That could mean politicians and multimedia mass cluster of confusing of where ever the wind blows. Nothing Real or  biological confirmed or no site or physical place to test delta variant.

              1. AliciaC profile image96
                AliciaCposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Something real has been confirmed, and labs do test for the delta variant. Read the linked articles in my posts.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                  Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  The article shows no place or delta variant physical site where one can be tested for Delta variant.

                  I can't trust pharmaceutical and Government in the first place. Why would I want to be a  Government scientific guinea pig experiment. Only winner is drug pushers and billionaires

                  1. AliciaC profile image96
                    AliciaCposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Okay, I understand what you mean now. I don't know of any place where I live where people can ask to be tested specifically for the delta variant of the virus. As one of the articles says, it seems that the patient and their doctor are told whether or not the patient has a COVID-19 infection, not what variant they have. The test for the delta variant does exist and is performed, however, so that data can be obtained by health officials.

    3. Ken Burgess profile image84
      Ken Burgessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Today it is Vaccine IDs... tomorrow it is proof you are a Party member.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Well said...  This is a very kind of government overreach that leaves us all on a slippery slope.

      2. peoplepower73 profile image90
        peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

        When are you people going to realize we are at war with a virus. When a military is at war, it does not have all the information and is doing what it can to overtake the enemy, but at the same time protect its troops.

        You want certainty as to when we are going to win this war, but just like any enemy, they keep changing their tactics. It's not about acting as dictators. This is not tyranny.  It's about protecting our troops and vaccine ID's are a form of protecting of doing that. . It sounds to me that you are looking for any excuse to charge Biden with tyranny.  This is my humble opinion.

        1. Ken Burgess profile image84
          Ken Burgessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          I recognize that for some... there is this mindset that we are at war with the virus.  I just don't buy into that hysteria/propaganda.

          For some there is this mindset we are at war against racism, that CRT and SJ is a paramount pursuit.  I just don't buy that narrative/propaganda.

          My opinion in these matters is validated by the actions of your politicians.

          Those that gather together on a plane without one Democrat in the bunch wearing a mask.

          Or the feigned necessity for all people to be vaccinated and wear masks, as we allow millions of migrants to flow across the border without being vaccinated, busing and flying them to cities throughout the country at taxpayer expense.

          Or the call to save the world from Climate Change, while just the other day the President gathered for a meeting with the UAW and GM & Ford execs to talk about one day, maybe, possibly, having half the vehicles produced be EVs... by 2030...  doing nothing to put pressure on the Legacy Auto Industry, as they and Oil/Energy Companies do everything they can to stall that reality.  EU and China will be 90% EVs by that time, easy.

          Yeah... your Party talks the talk... and then they do the exact opposite in every action and deed.

          1. peoplepower73 profile image90
            peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

            K-I recognize that for some... there is this mindset that we are at war with the virus.  I just don't buy into that hysteria/propaganda.

            M-It’s not hysteria or propaganda.  It is a healthy mindset that will get us through this pandemic.

            K-For some there is this mindset we are at war against racism, that CRT and SJ is a paramount pursuit.  I just don't buy that narrative/propaganda.

            M-You are now going off on a tangent with a false equivalence.  Your politicians brought up the notion of CRT:

            "Conservative lawmakers and activists have used the term "critical race theory" as "a catchall phrase for nearly any examination of systemic racism", according to The Washington Post.[10] In September 2020, after seeing a piece on Fox News in which conservative activist Christopher Rufo denounced CRT,[69] President Donald Trump issued an executive order directing agencies of the United States federal government to cancel funding for programs that mention "white privilege" or "critical race theory", on the basis that it constituted "divisive, un-American propaganda" and that it was "racist".[70][71][72] Rufo's use of the term propelled the controversy into the mainstream; he wrote on Twitter, "The goal is to have the public read something crazy in the newspaper and immediately think 'critical race theory'."

          2. Valeant profile image87
            Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Considering many of those democrats on the plane who chose to disregard health regulations ended up getting Covid, not sure one should choose to use them as validation.  They might have actually proved the opposite, that the regulations in place to wear masks would have actually help to protect them from the virus.

            And saying millions of migrants are being allowed to flow across the border is quite the exaggeration.  So if someone is basing a justification for ignoring health guidelines on that lie, that says more about their ability to accept clearly false information.
            https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … e-trying-/

            1. Ken Burgess profile image84
              Ken Burgessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Thank you for validating those facts.

              Democrat politicians disregarded their own rhetoric, as they always do, traveling with total disregard to social distancing and masks.

              The President rants about all people needing to be vaccinated, but has a "help them cross" unofficial policy when dealing with the border.  Biden forced out the head of the U.S. Border Patrol, even as we hit a 20-year-high in illegal border crossings.

              In May alone, the Border Patrol took more than 180,000 illegal immigrants into custody, the highest one-month total in two decades.
              Those are the ones accounted for.
              As we take in so many new people, not a one is receiving vaccinations.

              And when it comes to that suck-up fest to the UAW and Legacy Auto industry Biden had the other day, there couldn't have been a more public slap in the face to all those who are truly trying to make change away from the Oil industry and ICE vehicles. 

              Truly sad, the one thing I really believed was going to see serious effort to move forward under Biden/Democrat control, EVs and Renewable energy... what a joke, what a betrayal to those who believed they actually gave a crap about that.

              All they care about is creating a new Carbon Tax so they have one more tool in their arsenal to steal away your money.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Thought I would add, today it was reported that 800 unaccompanied children were apprehended at the border.   It is getting worse every single day. Biden is doing nothing to curb the numbers.

              2. Valeant profile image87
                Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Hard not to confirm it since there's photographic evidence of them sitting on a plane without masks.  There's the big difference between us.  When presented faults, we acknowledge reality.  We don't hear a man say he sexually assaults women, then side with him when he denies being a sexual assaulter.

                In May, 38% of those taken in were repeat crossers thanks to the Trump policy of deport them for Covid reasons.  So instead of 180,000, around 40% are the same people being caught over and over again.

                And as soon as Biden offers immigrants vaccines, then all we get to hear from people like you will be how he favors immigrants over Americans.  Well, Biden is doing the right thing by trying to vaccinate America first.  Funny how it's only America first when it's your guy in the Oval Office.

            2. Castlepaloma profile image73
              Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              This makes more sense since they are also opening us up on the Canadian boarder.

              Their new calling card of fear mongering is delta variants which is as phony are their middle East terrorism front page News for 20 years.
              Before that, more people locked up for marijuana for 80 years, greater than for any other crime.

              When will the vast majority be quicker learners? My gut says sooner this.

              1. Valeant profile image87
                Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                If you believe the delta variant is phony, my county would disagree as cases doubled last week thanks to just 48% of people being vaccinated.

                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  They will not die. They will develop natural herd immunity.

                       Have faith.

                         Don't worry.

                               Be happy.

                  1. Valeant profile image87
                    Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    While you feel oddly comfortable ignoring the 600,000 already dead Americans by denying that some will actually die, I'll speak as someone with symptoms still from Covid back in August.  It's more than just actually dying people should be worried about.

                    And on top of the long Covid issues, it's the mental and emotional toll on health care workers.  It's the danger that teachers will be in.  It's front line grocers.  You see, some less selfish Americans are considering their fellow citizens during this crisis.

                    Plus, natural immunity isn't quite as good as being vaccinated it turns out:
                    https://www.yahoo.com/news/ky-study-unv … 20162.html

  28. Valeant profile image87
    Valeantposted 12 months ago

    Just heard an interesting question posed.  For the Anti-Mask, Anti-Vax people, what is your solution to ending the pandemic?

    And before you say herd immunity, realize that those who took the vaccine for the alpha variant are susceptible to the delta variant which is 50% more transmissible.  And there are beta and gamma strains out there currently as well.

    Are you just expecting to sacrifice 340 Americans per day to a new strain, which is how many is the average per day that die of the disease so far in 2021?  Covid is three times more deadly than the flu by deaths per day on average.

    So what's your plan to slow down or end the pandemic?  We'd like to know.

    1. Readmikenow profile image96
      Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      This is not the first pandemic.  So, it's time to look to history.  I don't like the NYT, but this writer is good.

      "In other words, an end can occur not because a disease has been vanquished but because people grow tired of panic mode and learn to live with a disease. Allan Brandt, a Harvard historian, said something similar was happening with Covid-19: “As we have seen in the debate about opening the economy, many questions about the so-called end are determined not by medical and public health data but by sociopolitical processes.”

      https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/heal … story.html

      1. Valeant profile image87
        Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        So just concede and live with it is what you are proposing.

        1. Readmikenow profile image96
          Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          The article is good.  It shows that historically this is how pandemics have been handled.

          There are a lot of things you can die from...and Covid is just one of them.  Heart disease takes 500,000 people a year, cancer over 600,000 people a year. That is how it's been for years, yet, our society is not in a panic about it.

          1. Valeant profile image87
            Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Yeah, let me know when I can catch heart disease from a non-heart vaxer.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image73
              Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Blood clots from vaccines.

              1. AliciaC profile image96
                AliciaCposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                It’s good to bring up this topic, but it’s irresponsible not to mention which versions of the vaccine are involved and what the frequency of observed blood clot formation is. People need complete information in order to make a decision about getting a vaccine.

                The online document in the link below was given to me as an information sheet when I received my first dose of the vaccine. Look at the “What are the possible reactions after the vaccines?” section. You’ll notice that it says that blood clots have been associated with only certain types of the vaccine, and it gives the frequencies of the clots. The frequency is a very low percentage but should still be noted.

                Anyone concerned about blood clots should look at several reliable sources of information and compare the reported frequencies. They should then consult their doctor if they still have questions.

                https://www.healthlinkbc.ca/healthlinkb … 9-vaccines

            2. Readmikenow profile image96
              Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              I will let you know that the survival rate from Covid is 99 percent.
              The survival rate from a heart attack is approximately 97 percent
              So
              You have many things in this world you can die from and you have a better chance of surviving Covid than a heart attack.

              1. Valeant profile image87
                Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                You definitely missed my point.  I cannot catch a heart attack from you.

                1. peoplepower73 profile image90
                  peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Valeant:  They like to use false equivalence to make their points.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                    Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    A 30-year Harvard study reveals the 5 simple habits that may prolong your life by 10 years or more.
                    My natural medicine man is 107 years old. These are most equivalent to Covid or many other greater killiers disease and viruses. Not sacrificing my health because of most others refusing to  practice healthy lifestyle. The survival of fittest or adaptable
                    to healthy environment  Let them weak and ignorance die  if not connected to nature rather than greedy billionaires. You don't have to be wealthy to be healthy.

                2. Readmikenow profile image96
                  Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Yes, but you can more easily survive catching Covid than you can survive  having a heart attack.  As I said, there are many things you can die from, Covid is just one of them.

                  1. Valeant profile image87
                    Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    You choosing to live a lifestyle that leads to a heart attack does not impact anyone else's health.  You making a conscious choice to increase the risk of catching and then spreading a deadly disease to others certainly does.  It's like speeding, your actions can endanger others, so there are laws restricting and penalizing people when they reach the point of endangering their fellow citizens.  If you want to be a danger, expect some limitations.

                  2. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Mike, I wonder if you might answer a question for me? I have a feeling at some time very soon we could hear about another strain of COVID beyond DELTA.  I can't predict the virulence of what strains will come due to us not destroying COVID altogether. However, here is my question --- If a strain comes along that shows itself to be virulent enough to kill millions of all ages in a month's time, would you consider it enough of a crisis that would warrant taking the vaccine? 

                    I am curious, would the stats and fact a virus is killing many more people of all ages, including children sway you to take a chance
                    on the vaccine even still believing it to be an experimental vaccine?

                    Mike --- A heart attack affects the person having the attack, it can not be pasted to another.
                    or spread through a gathering or a mere momentary contact out in public.

                  3. crankalicious profile image93
                    crankaliciousposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    When did heart attacks become contagious?

      2. Ken Burgess profile image84
        Ken Burgessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        I agree with this too. 

        A few days back my wife told me they just reinstated wearing masks at Publix, Walmart, CVS, etc. in our area... I am unsure what she was reading, state, regional, don't really know.

        We were out and about the last couple days, and when in stores, almost no one is wearing masks (maybe 5% of the people) everyone is still acting as normal, going to restaurants, cruise ships and tour ships are running again... she says to me "I don't understand why people aren't wearing their masks"

        I said to her, people are sick if it... they are done with it.  Until people start dropping dead on the streets from this, don't expect them to go back to wearing masks and sheltering in their homes... and I doubt any business that tries to enforce it will remain in business... least not in our area.

  29. Readmikenow profile image96
    Readmikenowposted 12 months ago

    https://hubstatic.com/15672100_f1024.jpg

  30. Valeant profile image87
    Valeantposted 12 months ago

    https://hubstatic.com/15672114.jpg

    1. Castlepaloma profile image73
      Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      I got kicked out of US for refusing GW Bush a war sculpture for Normandy beach,
      France. Wonder if I will get kicked out of my own country for refusing vaccines of biological warfare.

      I GOT NO PLACE TO GOOOOO,. AÀRR

  31. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago

    Freedom of choice regarding one's body.  You might as well take away the right to abort unwanted pregnancies.

  32. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago

    ... where are the pro-choice people when you need them?

    "Politicians should not be involved in anyone’s personal medical decisions about their reproductive health or pregnancy..."   O R  demand vaccinations against personal health or religious beliefs.

    https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn … ass-thanks

    1. Valeant profile image87
      Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Again, let me know when I can catch your deadly pregnancy by you breathing near me.

      Now you can end the story.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image73
        Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        I was considering joining a religion  who have the religious right to refuse any Government toxic medicines into their own bodies.
        Problem is I'm honest to a fault. Plus, probably the government will do, what ever they want. Immune to laws and constitution. Governments are only not immune to the masses power of the people.

    2. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
      Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago

      end of story.

    3. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
      Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago

      If you are vaccinated, how can you be bothered by my breathing? If you are not vaccinated you have a smart body which constantly protects your life and promotes your health.

      1. Valeant profile image87
        Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        So I guess it was immaculate infection that gave all those people Covid.  Hallelujah!

        Science.  The Final Frontier.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
          Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          The Killer Microbe from China!

        2. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Val, I happen to pick up an interview with Dr. Refield Today.  Dr. Robert Redfield was interviewed by Martha Maccallum .   He is a very respected virologist. I was shocked to finally hear a virologist make the admission that he felt in the next few months we will see a mutation that is far worse than we have seen. I heard the same rumblings from Dr. Fauci last weekend. I follow Redfield because I respect his opinion flong before COVID. He has been pretty much correct all along in regard to these viruses. He feels it was a leak from a lab, and via gain of function made to infect humans at a rate like few other viruses we have witnessed. He certainly put his opinion out on a limb...

          If you are interested to watch this clip of Dr.Redfield  here is the link

          Enter video at 5.10    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6267214138001#sp=show-clips

      2. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

        I don't think it's a problem you breathing around vaccinated people. It's breathing around both unvaccinated that is literally giving this virus a chance to stick around and most likely become a much worse virus to handle. One that even the current vaccine will not work on. We could be back at square one with a virus that is like no virus we have ever witnessed.   

        Today  Dr. Robert Redfield has interviewed Martha Maccallum on Fox News. Dr. Redfield is a very respected virologist. I was shocked to finally hear a virologist make the admission that he felt by this winter we will see a mutation that is far worse than we have seen. I heard the same rumblings from Dr. Fauci last weekend. I follow Redfield because I respect his opinion, and he has been pretty much correct all along in regard to viruses. He feels it was a leak, and man-made to infect humans at a rate like no other virus.

        If you are interested to watch this clip of Dr.Redfield he gives a good description of what he feels the COVID virus ultimately is, and unfortunately where it will go next if we don't control it.

        Enter video at 5.10  https://video.foxnews.com/v/6267214138001#sp=show-clips

        1. Castlepaloma profile image73
          Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Not wise to mess with mother nature.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

            It is not wise to create a virus that can't be handled or controlled.  This is one of the reasons the world should be looking for answers, and retribution to make sure this kind of research is stopped.

            The cat is already out of the bag, with millions dead... Time to make sure this kind of research is stopped.

            I knew sooner or later the virologist would be coming clean on how the virus was created, and where it now might head. Redfield is getting out there now to keep egg off his face.  He pretty much has said the same thing from the very beginning, and he was not listened to. And it is odd. he is a true virologist.

            From the beginning, he has concentrated on the science of the virus.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image73
              Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Like Franklin said
              To give liberty up for temporary safety. Looses both liberty and safety.

              The billionaires have a strong strangle hold on Governments and pharmaceutical who run much of the medical mainstream professions and hospital. That is the leading cause of death in the world. Only saviours is the power of the people and each one of us.
              Trust our healthy practices and healthy immune system or we are all goners.

              1. Readmikenow profile image96
                Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                I keep thinking of the quote "Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it" by George Santayana in 1948.

                "Welcome to 1938: First, they came for the unvaccinated"

                It's time for alarm bells. It's time for me to play the part of Paul Revere: "The communist tyrants and dictators are coming! The communist tyrants and dictators are coming!" They're coming first for unvaccinated Americans.

                This is 1938. I'm a Jew. I now understand just a little of what it felt like to be a Jew in 1938. No, it's not the Holocaust. Nothing can be compared to the Holocaust. Ever.

                First, "the papers." Vaccine mandates and vaccine passports are just like 1938, when the Gestapo demanded papers from every German.

                Republicans asked for "papers" from migrants who had broken into our country. Criminals. Democrats said, "No, that's racism." Republicans asked for "papers" once every two years for federal elections, to prove you have a right to vote. Democrats said, "No, that's racism."

                All for the crime of being unwilling to inject an untested, rushed to production, experimental, "for emergency use only" shot into our bodies.

                What happened to the war cry of Democrats: "My body, my choice"? It only applies to murdering babies, but it doesn't apply to dangerous experimental shots we don't want injected into our bodies.

                Weren't Jews injected with experimental drugs by the depraved Nazi government? Wasn't that a key part of the Nuremberg trials? That no government could ever again inject experimental shots into the bodies of unwilling citizens? Isn't that a basic human right?"

                https://www.wnd.com/2021/08/welcome-193 … accinated/

                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  "What happened to the war cry of Democrats: "My body, my choice"? It only applies to murdering babies, but it doesn't apply to dangerous experimental shots we don't want injected into our bodies."

                  - exactly.

                  1. Valeant profile image87
                    Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    If a part of your body endangers another citizen, there are laws that cover that.  Pretty sure you have to be born first to become a citizen.  Your own freedom does not allow you to endanger the public.

                    1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                      Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                      One of my favorite songs

                      :Freedom isn't Free:

                      Since Covid is a war, Germ warfare

                      https://www.google.com/search?q=freedom … JkAN8,st:0

                    2. Readmikenow profile image96
                      Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                      "If a part of your body endangers another citizen, there are laws that cover that."

                      I would love to see the legal statutes associated with this claim.

    4. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
      Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago

      Shut Down the World!

    5. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
      Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago

      Nurses know the truth of the matter:

      The obese, the diabetics and the malnourished are in danger.

      Get healthy.

      There is your defense weapon.
      Woe to those who don't know how to supply their bodies what they need to maintain a good immune system which can fight off any variant that comes along.
      Each variant has what was in the original. The body recognizes the offending microbes.
      Give peace a chance!

      Give our bodies a chance through good, nutritious whole FOOD!
      Step away from junk food, or die.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Yes, Kathryn being healthy is always the best defense against natural viruses. Like the common cold... But not sure a healthy body will in the long run be able to handle this particular virus. It may be man-made, made to work its way through mutations, and make many very sick.

        A virus that can't be handled as easily as some others we have known.

        Just as natural selection has shaped the evolution of humans, plants, and all living things on the planet, natural selection shapes viruses, too.  They need a host organism in order to reproduce. The human immune system does use a number of tactics to fight viruses. The virus's job is to evade get through the immune system,  and then create more copies of itself, and then use the new host to spread the illness to others.  Characteristics that help a virus do its job tend to be kept from one mutation to another, the strongest characteristics are kept, the weaker ones are a discarded The mutation is as a rule more able to infect quicker, and in many cases make the host sicker.

        The virus needs a new, healthy host for its new mutation to survive.  If the population has built up a herd that has antibodies, the virus will fail because it can't find new hosts.  If it continues to find hosts it will mutate again and again --- and can get worse in its strength and even choose different parts of the body to destroy.  You are correct there will always be a bit of the first virus, but it soon becomes the smallest part of the virus as it mutates to new and different strains. 

        If one has antibodies to a virus, these antibodies lock onto the outer surface proteins of the virus and prevent it from entering or hurting the host.  A mutation virus will be less likely to be affected by the antibodies due to the new difference from its prior composition.   If the virus is left unchecked it will mutate for many years.

        For example, in 2009  H1N1 hit Mexico and the US. It was a very bad virus that did not discriminate by age. It killed many. Today you will find the vaccine for H1N1 still being incorporated in the yearly flu shot. It has never really fizzled out. We are very lucky H1N1 mutated into less virulent strains over the years.  But COVID is a far worse virus when compared to H1N1.

        In my view, we need to treat this virus as an unknown, we just are beginning to learn its origin, and that it possibly is some scientists are now saying it shows components of a man-made virus. Just not sure where it will head.

    6. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
      Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago

      From the Book, Healing Ourselves by Naburo Muromoto: "Oriental medicine often states that there is only one cause of disease - improper eating. It is food which makes up your body; our basic physical constitution and present physical condition are determined mainly by the food we eat ... The best way to prevent disease is to eat a balanced diet of food in moderation. Page 50.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image73
        Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Ditto

    7. Valeant profile image87
      Valeantposted 12 months ago

      And one of mine is:

      Wrap It Up:

      Under the criminal law, a person with HIV is criminally liable for prosecution if they have intentionally transmitted the virus to their partner without informing them of their status.

      As we already have laws that make people criminally liable for intentionally transmitting a virus to others, people may want to reconsider the risks to others.

      1. Readmikenow profile image96
        Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Key word here is "intentional."  That is a legal claim that is very difficult to prove.  There are volumes of case law determining what is and is not considered to be intentional.

    8. Readmikenow profile image96
      Readmikenowposted 12 months ago

      I think people who are vaccinated and those who are not vaccinated should watch this video clip from an expert on viruses.  He puts everything in clear perspective.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wIFAoTVc7M

      1. Castlepaloma profile image73
        Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Well done
        Read.

      2. Valeant profile image87
        Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Interesting.  One rebuttal.

        https://zdoggmd.com/mt-vernon/

        1. Castlepaloma profile image73
          Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Very weak rebuttal mostly he agree with the experts.

          There is no test sites on Delta variant mainly doctor guesses at it being unvaccined and at 99% unvaccined . Guess what , that's serious fraud. We went through this.
          Why vaccinated healthy children they have about a million or 2 chances of dying of Covid. Why are they keeping children from school and offer ice cream for vaccines?  Without parental consent, a criminal act again. Hope kids read Hansel and Gretel.

          1. CHRIS57 profile image60
            CHRIS57posted 12 months agoin reply to this

            .... Why vaccinated healthy children ...

            To keep grandma and grandpa out of trouble, and possibly mom and dad also.

            Vaccination does prevent a lot, but statistics show that a low percentage don´t get protected. That lifts up your microscopic probability to another level of danger - not for the kids - but for grandma.

            Again: vaccination is to protect yourself AND others. It is a matter of solidarity.

            Before you restart your plea for the immune system, read about her: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juana_Maria
            She must have had an extraordinary immune system to survive on a deserted island for 18 years. Yet her first contact to civilization and its diseases killed her.

            1. Ken Burgess profile image84
              Ken Burgessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              That is total BS.

              You can take your "solidarity' and move it to a place where the sun doesn't shine.

              If you think for one moment, I am going to put MY KIDS in harms way, FOR ANYONE then you sadly misunderstand where my priorities and concerns lay.

              Why don't you read the CDC's own research on the threat of the vaccines to boys under the age of 18.  And then tell me again that I should put them at risk so that it lessens "Grandma's" risk of getting Covid.

              Grandma had a full life, my kids have their whole lives ahead of them, I'm not worried about Grandma, I am however worried about my kid's health and the longterm ramifications they might suffer from the vaccine.

        2. Valeant profile image87
          Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          And another one as more doctors hear the arguments:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFERT7t0ICE

        3. Ken Burgess profile image84
          Ken Burgessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          I hate to tell you this, but your rebuttal confirms what the other doctor was saying.

          That doctor literally agrees with what the first doctor said, he says we will never be rid of the virus, even when he goes on to disagree about the vaccination part, he actually is confirming to a large degree what the other doctor said, but that would take "some unpacking" as he said... so I will leave it.

          What I did like that he said, was that the rise in outbreaks in the southern states has nothing to do with them being Redneck Republicans, and everything to do with people escaping indoors to get away from the heat... the reverse of what we see in Northern states where they are going outdoors much more during the summer.

          Isn't science grand?

          As simple a thing as recognizing that people (especially older people) stay indoors during the summer in Southern States, while up North they are going outdoors... and then in the Winter up North they stay indoors, while down South they spend more time outdoors, helps explain the increase in outbreaks, when they occur and why.

          MOST importantly for me, he too states that kids shouldn't be getting the vaccine, shouldn't even be getting tested for the virus as it is literally no threat to them.

          1. Valeant profile image87
            Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            I also noted some agreement, but in the second one, the point was made that the goal of the vaccine was never to eradicate the virus.  The goal is to prevent people from becoming so ill they need hospitalization or dying.  As we see with those enter ICU's now, the vaccine is accomplishing its goal as close to 99% of people in the hospitals are unvaccinated.

            And rebutting the facts about masks stopping the droplets, where the virus exists, which masks do help with seems very important.

            In regards to children, you'll have to weigh the long term damage the virus can do as the research comes out versus the side effects of the vaccine.  Especially the data coming out about those losing their smell and cognitive issues.  That happened with me.  I'll go to write a certain word now and it comes out as jibberish from time to time.  My brain and hands don't always work together when writing and I need to go back and edit things.  I'd keep an eye on those long Covid effects before deciding you're willing accept your children getting Covid.

          2. peoplepower73 profile image90
            peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

            RMN, Ken, Kathryn, and others who believe Dr. Dan Stock's claims.

            I get it, you look for stuff that supports your value and belief systems because when you find it, it makes you feel better and then you don't question it and want to share it.  It's called Cognitive Dissonance.

            (The Role of Cognitive Dissonance in the Pandemic
            The minute we make any decision—I think COVID-19 is serious; no, I’m sure it is a hoax—we begin to justify the wisdom of our choice and find reasons to dismiss the alternative.)

            But what you fail to do is to research the facts.  You just buy what they say wholesale.  We are all guilty of it, especially in politics.  Here is what I found about Dr. Dan Stock. I'm sure you will invalidate what it says, because that makes you feel better, but please read it anyway. At the bottom of the article are all the sources it was derived from.

            https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/scich … ral-video/

            1. Ken Burgess profile image84
              Ken Burgessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              PeoplePower, Valiant, Crank, and others who believe all people must receive this vaccination or they are essentially murdering other people.

              I get it, you look for stuff that supports your value and belief systems because when you find it, it makes you feel better and then you don't question it and want to share it.  It's the effect of too much exposure to mass media propaganda.

              The Psychological impact of repetitive messaging allows the media, through television primarily, bring people in global separate locations together by exposing them visually to the same ideas and concepts.

              Propaganda has a way of bringing out latent drives and traits within an individual. An example of this would be a prejudice about an event. Propaganda will reinforce the individuals feelings by proclaiming the same trait openly.

              This is used by preying on fears and embellishing facts, such as telling people a virus is fatal to over 10% who get it, when in reality it is fatal to nearly no one below the age of 45 (without other serious health issues) and to less than 1% of the overall population.

              The possible negative reasons that may be behind this: power, control, political gain, profit (you can bet those Pharma companies are making billions off of this)  are ignored, people who are susceptible to propaganda convince themselves that these issues are not relevant.

              Most people over the age of 60 have been so programmed by years of indoctrination into our socio-cultural system in America that they do not recognize that Journalism and News are no longer beholden to the freedoms and ideals they held a quarter century of more ago.

              MSM News today is completely owned and controlled by Billionaires and International Corporations, the messaging is chosen from those in control, any efforts of individual journalism and reporting have been left to "crackpots" and "Conspiracy theorists".

              Anyone that doesn't believe the Corporate sponsored messaging is a loon on the extreme Right or Left to those who have bought into the system and do not question its authenticity, in fact, many of these people see those who would question or doubt the MSM propaganda as a serious threat, not just to others, but their own reality/sanity.

              Most humans are not designed to be able to accept a reality where the truth is that their corporate controlled government and corporate sponsored and controlled news sources are lying to them constantly.

              As humans are social animals they feel a need to belong and to have faith in the social system with which they belong.

              1. peoplepower73 profile image90
                peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Ken:  Do you even read the article?  If you didn't that proves that you can't handle what it says about your Dr. Stock.  Remove yourself from the politics.  The virus doesn't care about your politics.  It would exists if there were no Fox News, no MSM and no propaganda.  It only wants to get to your lung tissue  so that it can replicate and survive.  If we were living in prehistoric times and it existed, it would still behave the same way.  We have to keep it from replicating in our lungs, so that it can't thrive.

                "Most humans are not designed to be able to accept a reality where the truth is that their corporate controlled government and corporate sponsored and controlled news sources are lying to them constantly."

                So it is all one big lie and we will either survive or die from the virus regardless of masks and vaccines because corporations are making mega bucks off of lying about the pandemic and it's all about government control?  That is so sad.

                1. Ken Burgess profile image84
                  Ken Burgessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Does it?

                  Hmmm, I wonder what the actions of Governors like Cuomo and Whitmer would have been if no politics were involved?

                  Would they have ordered people sick with Covid into Nursing homes to drive up the death rate if not for politics?

                  Would they have locked down their States and passed draconian measures if not for politics?

                  Anyways, to me politics has nothing to do with my reaction to the virus or the vaccine, I have had the same outlook on it whether it was Trump or Biden.  My opinions come from past experiences with "experimental" or "new" vaccines, such as the Anthrax vaccines they forced on military personnel.

                  I don't watch ANY TV NEWS so I am hardly influenced by FOX or CNN, I value my sanity too much to expose it to the nonsense they put forth for consumption.  What little I see of any "news" is not from TV sources.

                  I am not the one whose opinions have been warped by MSM nonsense.

                  I am not the one that titled this thread "Are Republican protecting your right to die from the Delta Variant?"

                  What is right for you and your situation, is NOT right for me and mine... the difference is I am willing to accept your decision to do whatever you want to yourself, and you want to force others to do what you think is right.

                  1. Valeant profile image87
                    Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Cuomo's actions, before it was realized that Covid spread through ventilation systems, was not to 'drive up the death rate.'  He made a mistake and it cost lives.  Trump hid the truth from Americans about Covid and it cost lives.  DeSantis' and Abbott's mask mandates restriction will cost lives.

                    You have been at this site arguing the big lie, so while you are not getting your news from TV news, your sources are dubious, at best.  Again, same lie made in 2016, proven false.  Yet, you buy it again in 2020.

                    You may believe seat belts are not right for you.  You may believe you are so well trained you could discharge a weapon in a public area without causing physical harm to anyone.  You may believe you can handle your liquor and drive.  Thankfully, there are dozens of things where you think they are right for you and yours, but you would clearly be wrong.

                    1. Ken Burgess profile image84
                      Ken Burgessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                      That is your opinion about those events, and about me, nothing more.

                      It makes none of it right, its just your opinion.

              2. Readmikenow profile image96
                Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Ken,

                I would love to see  Dr. Daniel Stock's rebuttal to this article.  I'm sure he could provide even more insight.  So, this factcheck is an opinion piece and nothing more.  There wasn't even an attempt to get a response from Dr. Daniel Stock against the allegations made against him. 

                Does anybody understand journalism involves getting BOTH side to story?  Providing a way for those who have accusations made against them to respond?

                What a shame people are so gullible to believe this "hit piece" as it is nothing more.

                1. Valeant profile image87
                  Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Did Stock provide a way for the NIH and CDC to respond to his allegations?  No?  Then his was an opinion piece as well, just one that got videotaped and shared.  Many trained doctors have some issues with his 'opinion' he gave during this meeting.

                  What a shame that people are so gullible to believe the arguments that Stock's videoed 'hit piece' made against the NIH and CDC, as it is nothing more.  See, your own arguments apply to both sides of this coin.

                  1. Readmikenow profile image96
                    Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Well, it is a bit of a difference.

                    Dr. Stock was giving a talk and not engaging in a debate.  The CDC and NIH were not the topic of the talk, they were only part of it.

                    The article from factcheck was focused on Dr. Stock and made direct accusations.  It was a one-sided, unbalanced article.  It was not journalism, but a "hit piece" pure and simple.

                    As I said, I do wonder what Dr. Stock would say if given a chance at a rebuttal  against the accusation made against him.

                    1. Valeant profile image87
                      Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                      He is now in the public eye, I'm sure he can find a platform to speak out if he needs to.  He chose to enter the public arena when he spoke at a public event.  And Dr. Stock made direct accusations as well.  The only difference is video versus an article - both are media.

      3. Ken Burgess profile image84
        Ken Burgessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Very powerful when someone with a wealth of knowledge on the subject actually stands up and tells the facts.

        I am sure he is being put out of work, his licenses revoked and socially shunned as I type this.  There is no room in America today for such people.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image73
          Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Very sad

          1. peoplepower73 profile image90
            peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Ken and RMN:  Are you still waiting to hear from Dr. Stock with his "wealth of knowledge on the subject" and  his source of information.  You might as well read this in the mean time while he is "standing up and  telling the facts."

            RMN:  I know, it is another one of my funny hilarious replies.  You should get a real kick in the a** out of this one

            https://www.wthr.com/article/news/verif … dc92a0016d

            1. Castlepaloma profile image73
              Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Dr Stock is one of the very few who gotten pass the mainstream brainwashed medical profession with a stronghold agenda with tech giants of banning, deleting, chariture assassinating and death to those who disagree with Them.

              Most people do not live healthy enough lifestyles is the main problem with their own immune system to fight Covid off like the flu. For the flu shots really isn't working to get rid of flu for 100 years, now the Covid, all animal related. About 96% humans and livestock make up the mass weight on earth of mammals.. livestock causes more pollution overall than oil and gas. Plus most of the disease within the human body.
              Many establish doctor worldwide have been over powered on their stand on vaccines and mask that don't work.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                WHO. only mandates masks in few places, and they say medical mask do not work or flip flop many time as if any masks work.. And Most people I see are wearing medical masks, there no control anyway. Adverage person holds on to a mask for a month. Dragging their droplet or toxicity gathering inside. Then spreading it everywhere they go on tables, desks and handling it all the time with their hands. Not washed enough and working 8 hours days not designed for this.

                World health organization TOP ten ways to die annually have greater than Covid yearly, Vaxxers just ignore and blow it all off.
                Are there other ways catagiuos? Yes.
                TB, flu,smoking many others are still very contagious all in my lifetime. Tobacco has killed 100 million in this world and 4 times greater than Covid the last aunnally. Yet the Vass majority don't move a hair. Freedom to exercise your personal right to kill yourself by smoking.

                Governments and doctors once told us in an era, tobacco is healthy for us. At least tobacco was the greatest genocide in history revenge by the true American natives. As for American natives were the greatest. Genocide in humans history.
                Here we are ready for another one
                It was the second hand smoke that is damaging that control those views.
                No proof that vaccines work. All I know the speed of Covid deaths even in the slowest season. Had double in speed since the vaccines roll outs and top vaccines speaker claim it will get ten times worst.

                By smoking it's legal in every country in the world. Do you really not know of any? Amazing. Search laws restricting smoking.
                Tobacco deaths 100 million not banned in every country in the world.
                Yet controlled away from the public.
                Self consumed.
                Catagiuos.

                Unvaccined banned from almost everyway.
                No where to go soon.
                Not consumed
                Covid 4.3 million debatible deaths
                Catagiuos
                There are other countries with no mandate for masks, very few vaccinated, no lockdown and have lower Covid deaths than lockdown countries..

    9. Valeant profile image87
      Valeantposted 12 months ago

      In a surprise to no one, Supreme Court upholds vaccine mandates.

      https://www.yahoo.com/news/supreme-cour … 56022.html

      In another unsurprising ruling, Supreme Court sides with landlords.

      https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-u-supr … 14978.html

      1. Castlepaloma profile image73
        Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Faucism Steam rolling sheep.

        1. Valeant profile image87
          Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Such a pathetic comment.  Guy is getting death threats and you're spewing that kind of hate.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
            Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            no hate,
            facts.

          2. Castlepaloma profile image73
            Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            I've Not done harm to any one in my life. No crime here or hated anyone.

            Where Every person is untitled to protect themselves on this planet by nature and by human right and international law.

            The set up for Fauci is he's like Hitler invading many non vaxxers bodies
            Much like putting stars on the gased Jews. The gas then, is being usef in chemotherapy today.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
              Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              ... but chemotherapy is saving lives by killing cancer cells really fast.
              isn't it?

              1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                I've been part of group of marijuana medicine that has overthrown the north american Government.
                My friend in Nova Scotia had 5000 patients with stage 4 and 5 cancers in remission success within 5 year At 85% success rate. Chemo therapy has only 2.3 remission success over 5 year.
                World War II, at least two dozen medical researchers transformed mustard agents into cancer chemotherapy. In the 1940s, sulfur mustard, commonly called mustard gas, and nitrogen mustard, a derivative of mustard gas, became a new form of cancer treatment it only worked won Hodgkin disease cancers. Another world greatest failures.

                This kind of medical error with many others is the third largest cause of death in the world.

            2. peoplepower73 profile image90
              peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Castle:  You don't have a clue of what you are talking about.  It sounds like you are regurgitating Fox News propaganda.  The only thing wrong with Fauci is that he is a scientist talking at a scientific level. He needs other people who can dumb it down for people like you so that you can understand and appreciate the facts about this virus.

              It's the Fox News propaganda and misinformation that is absorbed  by their huge misinformed audience that is hurting this country.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                No matter if  it's fox or 90% of the media, Governments, centralized bankster , big Pharma it's a system that  works together as every USA President has talked about one  world order. They are on the same Tag team of wealthy megalomaniac  business men. A club that you nor I aren't in. Public can blame each other forever they want us to be fighting all the time. They don't want hard working independent individualism who are capable of critical thinking to realize their lives have been thrown overboard 40 years ago.  Look the WEF it's on the raise and most all top politicans leader are on board. Klaus is the leader and also in the Rothschild family.

            3. Valeant profile image87
              Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Even more disgusting.  The guy is literally trying to save people's lives by making it less likely they will die of a deadly virus.  He is not forcing you to get the thing, but begging you to lessen your chances of dying.  And you compare that to the Holocaust.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Anyone deep connected to Kill Gates is no friend of mine or my family.

    10. Readmikenow profile image96
      Readmikenowposted 12 months ago

      https://hubstatic.com/15678269.jpg

      1. Castlepaloma profile image73
        Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Can sculpt one of those, when my depends on it. Jews should of lied when their life depended on it. Only time, to break the honesty best policy rule, if harmed.

        1. peoplepower73 profile image90
          peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

          To all you antivaxxers and anti-maskers out there who think your immune system will protect you from the virus, I have some questions for you.

          Since you have superior immune systems, you should be able to kiss someone on the lips who is dying of the virus and because you have so much faith in your immune system, it won't even affect you? Yes or no.

          You would also be willing to be in a room with known people who have the virus and let them cough in your face while you don't wear a mask?  Yes or no.

          For those of you who think that by not getting vaccinated and wearing a mask, you are doing your part to deny big pharma their huge profits? Yes or no.

          I have news for you.  Welcome to capitalism at its finest. Big pharma could care less whether you get the vaccine or not.  You can thank their lobbyists and  republicans who believe in deregulating corporations and their policies for their huge profits.

          That's why we had the financial meltdown and people had to walk away from their houses when their variable interest rate mortgages reset so high they couldn't afford their homes.

          I'm more concerned about Hannity, Ingraham, and Carlson getting their huge salaries from their sponsors by putting out propaganda about the virus and influencing millions of people with the wrong information than I am about big pharma and their profits.

          As far as losing your liberties and freedom, try going to the Capital now as a tourist and see how far you will get.  Thanks to Trump and company and his domestic terrorists, I'm sure they won't even let you in.

          Many years ago we we were able to sit in on a Supreme Court trial and watch the House of Representatives in progress as tourists. Try that now.

          For those of you who think this vaccine is experimental, it has been in the making for over twenty years as the human genome was being decoded.  That is how the vaccine works, it is a piece of genetic code that stops the virus from replicating. 

          Why is it statistics show more people who have been vaccinated survive more than those who have not? Why is it that antivaxxers who gather in large crowds become super spreaders of the virus?

          https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti … 9-spread1/

          As far as the vaccine harming you, statistics show that the harm is insignificant to the benefits received from the vaccine. It's like your chances of crashing in an airliner, yes it can happen, but it is statistically insignificant compared to you flying safely to your destination.

          These are just a few questions and ideas for you to ponder. I'm looking forward to your answers.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image73
            Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Super immune system, wish I that as my superpowerimmumdr like the woverins on XMen , nobody could kill me.

            Only have a good immune system and won't kiss anyone on the lips that a infectious Covid victims. Anymore than kiss someone with the flu, just plenty of rest and away from people. It's their responsibility to inform others.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
              Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Healthy people get over it. Its just a flue/cold microbe.
              Man!!!

              1. Valeant profile image87
                Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Which is not true at all.  Many long term health changes.  Do some extra research.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                  Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  The main changes are from the vaccines, ours owner are screwing with our lives.

                2. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Healthy people recover just fine!

                  1. IslandBites profile image89
                    IslandBitesposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    That is not true.

                    1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                      Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                      You got one in 2400 catching Covid. Than 99.95 chance of survival from Covid.
                      Then that's better than vaccines 94% chance of catching Covid especially for children. Roll outs only proven double the speed in deaths.

                    2. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                      Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                      yes it is

          2. Readmikenow profile image96
            Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            "Since you have superior immune systems, you should be able to kiss someone on the lips who is dying of the virus and because you have so much faith in your immune system, it won't even affect you? Yes or no.

            You would also be willing to be in a room with known people who have the virus and let them cough in your face while you don't wear a mask?  Yes or no."

            Do you think as a vaccinated person you could do the same and have zero chance of catching the virus?

            1. IslandBites profile image89
              IslandBitesposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Do you think as a vaccinated person you could do the same and have zero chance of catching the virus?

              That shows how misinformed you are.

              1. peoplepower73 profile image90
                peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                IslandBites.  Sorry, you are right. That was a typo.  It should have read as:

                "Do you think as an unvaccinated person you could do the same and have zero chance of catching the virus?"

                In my zeal to reply, I missed that typo. I will try to do better next time.  Thanks for pointing that out.

                1. IslandBites profile image89
                  IslandBitesposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  You don't have to. You were right. That was a Readmikenow quote.

                  He is misinformed about the vaccine as he constantly show us. Well, I want to think that's his reason for so much bs.

              2. Readmikenow profile image96
                Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Good way to avoid answering the question.

                1. IslandBites profile image89
                  IslandBitesposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  The answer is easy. No. And most people know that. No vaccine is 100% effective.

                  CDC: COVID-19 vaccines are effective at helping protect against severe disease and death from variants of the virus that causes COVID-19 currently circulating, including the Delta variant.

                  But you knew that.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                    Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Been listening to Biden too much. He says Vaccines are 100% safe. Explained that to all the vaccined dead people. They won't be voting.

                    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                      Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                      how many vaccinated dead people are there?

        2. Readmikenow profile image96
          Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          It's starting to get worse.

          "Report: Los Angeles to require vaccinations to buy groceries"


          https://www.wnd.com/2021/08/report-la-r … groceries/

          1. Castlepaloma profile image73
            Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            It's coming here too. No living allowed for unvaccineed.

          2. IslandBites profile image89
            IslandBitesposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Great example of propaganda. Thanks.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image73
              Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              No worries , just make my own food which I mainly do now. Just threating from our leader unless 75% are fully vaccinated by September. We have one of the lowest Covid deaths area in the world.

          3. peoplepower73 profile image90
            peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

            RMN: Again, the conservative mind blowing things out of proportion.  When are you going to learn to validate your articles for the truth?  The council said food and other staples are exempt from this policy.

            Please read the last sentence in this article from NBC, LA. You just like to roll with the first thing that you find that you think agrees with your agenda.

            You always use these right wing propaganda sites to make your points. As I said before, we buy you books and you bring them home and tear the pages out.

            https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/coro … s/2669550/

            1. Readmikenow profile image96
              Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              As I said, it's just the beginning.

              1. peoplepower73 profile image90
                peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                RMN: Now you are using the conservative "slippery slope, what if"  conspiracy syndrome. Nice try, but I really enjoy your replies.  They are very entertaining.

                During WWII, we had victory gardens.  I guess if they don't let you buy groceries, you can always grow your own vegetables and maybe raise a cow, pig, and chickens.

            2. Readmikenow profile image96
              Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              It's just the beginning.

              This is the attitude of the LA city council.

              "LA's plan comes from Council President Nury Martinez and council member Mitch O’Farrell.

              In a prepared statement, Martinez claimed, "It's our responsibility to protect the public, that includes protecting them from the unvaccinated. The decision to not get vaccinated doesn’t just affect you. We have kids under the age of 12 who are not eligible for the vaccine yet, and someone’s decision to not get vaccinated affects them as well."

              O'Farrell claimed those who choose not to take the experimental vaccines are "immoral."

              Let that attitude sink in for a minute.

              The head of the LA City council believes those who choose not to put an experimental vaccine into their bodies immoral.  People who recognize a drug that nobody knows the long-term effects or long-term side effects it could cause.  They don't want to be forced to put something like this in their body.   A vaccine that when taken still makes it possible for a person to get Covid and die from Covid as well as spread Covid.

              1. peoplepower73 profile image90
                peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                RMN:  See, you don't follow directions very well either. What are we going to do with you?  Here is what I said: "Please read the last sentence in this article from NBC, LA."

                Since you didn't read or chose to ignore it, here it is for all the world to see.

                "Council President Nury Martinez and Councilman Mitch O'Farrell introduced the motion last Wednesday.

                "This is not a vaccine mandate ... we're not going to deny anyone the ability to access essentials, food, medicine, etc., regardless of vaccination ... but what is immoral is choosing not to get vaccinated, choosing to listen to some delusional rant on Twitter,'' he added."

                1. Readmikenow profile image96
                  Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Here's your problem, you don't GET IT, what happens historically to individuals when the people in power call them "immoral?"  There is a bigger picture here you don't seem to have the ability to see.  Maybe this is an advanced level of thinking...but as I said before...this is just the beginning.

                  1. crankalicious profile image93
                    crankaliciousposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    It's always just the beginning with you paranoid folks.

                    It's just the beginning of the government taking away our guns...
                    It's just the beginning of communism...
                    It's just the beginning of the unvaccinated being rounded up and herded into gas chambers...

                    You're delusional and badly misinformed.

                    1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                      Castlepalomaposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                      I'm fearless and avoid paraniod because I've been totally prepared off grid to with a standoff with any forced vaccines from 10 years back studies and intuitive actions. .

                      None of our 20  non vaccined members carry guns in our community. Because your 3 times greater chance of killing yourself or killing someone you know than a Covid cop enforcement to give you the mark of the beast.

                      USA fears totalitarian more from the Government than any robberies or running out of dear food.

                      Communism can only come from the top down who the vaxxers support with their lives. Not from the bottom up for their well being of their mind and bodies Last stand.

                      I belongs to no Government nor greedy bastards or one-sided political views to nowhere..

                      Your body is free to vaccines and to kill yourselves like smoking or legal drugs which is 4 times worst than Covid annual.

                      Nationalism is worst than religion. They dictate the MADD cows or sl
                      heeps by loosely complicated morals. Rather than allowing strong individual with ethics and integrity. Controling  their own minds and bodies. Everyone is their own God or it's totally owned by millions of other Gods or dictatorships.

                      Be the king of your own domain or be scientific experiments and join all the other dead animals tested.

                    2. Valeant profile image87
                      Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                      +1,000,000

                      You did forget that it's just the beginning of the US becoming a socialist state.

                    3. Ken Burgess profile image84
                      Ken Burgessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                      The only reasons why our guns haven't been taken away is because of "paranoid folks" that fight their every effort to do so.  And despite that, in some states they have lost many rights to own, carry, or use to protect themselves any firearm.

                      The only reasons why our country hadn't long ago adopted Socialism/Marxism/Communism is because "paranoid folks" have fought against those trying to make the country so.  I imagine AOC, and many like her, would be just as happy as can be if she could install her version of Socialism as the only government in America.

                      I think the correlation between people having concern over the vaccines, and believing they will be rounded up into gas chambers, well... I'll leave that one alone.  I think that's overreach on your part.

                    4. IslandBites profile image89
                      IslandBitesposted 12 months agoin reply to this
      2. crankalicious profile image93
        crankaliciousposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        So your assertion is that the government of the U.S. is trying to identify those who haven't received the vaccine for the purposes of rounding them up and murdering them?

        1. Readmikenow profile image96
          Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          It's only the beginning.  Right now the unvaccinated are being denied access to restaurants, bars, movie theaters, etc.  Many people are trying to make them out as if they are murdering people by not getting vaccinated.

          If this is not stopped right now, who know what could be next.

          1. crankalicious profile image93
            crankaliciousposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            If they get vaccinated instead of believing in conspiracy theories and various things that don't exist, they can enter. When they are not a massive risk for infecting other people and killing them, they can enter. They are preventing themselves from entering.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
              Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Meanness.

            2. Readmikenow profile image96
              Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              People who are vaccinated can spread Covid just as easily as those who are not vaccinated.  So, then, what's the problem?

              "Now it has — and the data is sobering.

              The study details a COVID-19 outbreak that started July 3 in Provincetown, Mass., involving 469 cases. It found that three-quarters of cases occurred in fully vaccinated people. Massachusetts has a high rate of vaccination: about 69% among eligible adults in the state at the time of the study.

              It also found no significant difference in the viral load present in the breakthrough infections occurring in fully vaccinated people and the other cases, suggesting the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with the coronavirus is similar."

              https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru … k-guidance

      3. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
        Kathleen Cochranposted 12 months ago

        You used to have that right. It was the Fairness Doctrine. and Reagan ended it. Thanks, right? It opened the floodgates to flavors of news, talk radio, and commentators who sound like news anchors.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
          Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          How did Reagan end it?

        2. Readmikenow profile image96
          Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Actually, it unburdened radio talk shows and others so they could provide people with programming that they wanted rather than programming they didn't want.  They tried a liberal radio network with Al Frankin, it bombed terribly because nobody wanted to listen to it.  Radio, news, etc. is performance based and doesn't go against market demands if it wants to be successful.

      4. Valeant profile image87
        Valeantposted 12 months ago

        https://hubstatic.com/15680624.jpg

        1. Castlepaloma profile image73
          Castlepalomaposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          How dare they take away my fresh oxygen for my immune system.

          Adverage person keep a mask then drags it around for one month. Then spreads the virus even better.

          1. CHRIS57 profile image60
            CHRIS57posted 11 months agoin reply to this

            ...How dare they take away my fresh oxygen for my immune system....

            How dare you not live at sea level where atmospheric pressure and oxygen saturation is highest. Never go to Mexico City, that city is violating your rights.

            Your comments are not serious, are they?

            1. Castlepaloma profile image73
              Castlepalomaposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              Most serious when being funny.
              Oxygen is most important for our immune system to work well. Covid Fear mongering everywhere puts most everyone into mass psychosis greatly harming the ammune system greater than any viruses or natural disaster.

              1. peoplepower73 profile image90
                peoplepower73posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                Castle: Why is it that more people are living when given the vaccine and wearing masks, than people dying who have not been vaccinated and not wearing masks?

                And all you people out there who were waiting for FDA approval of a vaccine, Pfyzer has been approved.  I can't wait to hear what your excuse is now. It is no longer an experimental drug according to your standards.

                From the FDA:

                We are issuing Department  of  Health and Human Services  U.S.  License No.  2229  to BioNTech  Manufacturing GmbH,  Mainz,  Germany,  under  the provisions  of  section 351(a)  of  the PHS  Act  controlling the manufacture and sale of  biological  products.    The license authorizes  you  to introduce or  deliver  for  introduction into interstate commerce, those products  for  which your  company  has  demonstrated compliance with establishment  and product  standards.

                https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedn … 19-vaccine

                1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                  Castlepalomaposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  Once evil, now Pharmaceutical our saviours. Fat chance

                  I look at the mountains of evidence rather than the poplar narrative.

                  The variants came out when the vaccines came out with double the speed of covid deaths to date. I'm ok if people want to be a continuous scientific experiment that killed all the animals tested . More vaxxers are dying more than nonvaccinated. Why would your owners tell you the truth? They want to increase their slaves especially big Pharma who makes it more profitable than oil and gas.

                  FDA Fear&Death Associated. And Pfizer's who been sued a few times for $billions for killing people as experiments. Taking it to a higher level now.

                  1. peoplepower73 profile image90
                    peoplepower73posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    Castle:  Please prove there are more people dying from the vaccine than antivaxxers. How am I a slave to big pharma? I'm 82 years old and I have been taking medication for hypertension since the 1980's.. 

                    I don't think I would have made it this far if my blood pressure was not under control. This morning it was 120/70.  As far as big pharma goes,  you are witnessing capitalism at its finest.

                    1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                      Castlepalomaposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                      About 75% of covid deaths in Canada are over the age 80. CDC states its only 6% its purely from covid. What chances did the 80 years old died from the other 2 or more of the 94% of health conditions. It's all scam. People are not afraid to die, they far more afraid to live, drugs store and liquor stores on too many corners.

                      There is no test sites for delta variant. Its all made up or guessing by pre programed doctors for money.

                      Being a natural path, I would buy Dexamethasone, from a drug store. Along with zinc and strong vitamins D and C. That will do it like in a few place around the world and odd place Africa they have eliminated covid deaths.

                      1. peoplepower73 profile image90
                        peoplepower73posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                        Castle:

                        How do they test for Covid Delta variant?

                        To detect the delta variant, a specific type of COVID-19 test is required — genomic sequencing. Genomic sequencing decodes the coronavirus' complete set of genes and searches for new mutations. It also matches known variants. Labs at some state and local health departments have access to genomic sequencing.Aug 3, 2021

      5. Mick Beet profile image57
        Mick Beetposted 11 months ago

        Health first. No card no show

      6. Readmikenow profile image96
        Readmikenowposted 11 months ago

        https://hubstatic.com/15695924.jpg

        1. peoplepower73 profile image90
          peoplepower73posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          RMN: Sure then the antivaxxers can do a fake audit after the shots have been given, just like counting ballots after the winner has been voted in.

          1. Readmikenow profile image96
            Readmikenowposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            That's just an analogy.  Sending vaccines by mail isn't the same as voting in an election.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image73
              Castlepalomaposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              They wouldn't put a clip into anyone just to sway their votes, they all have the same puppet masters. Injection a passport and tracking device is more possible.

              Send my injection in the mail, i will fake it and will be able to shop, work and travel anywhere. Until they find out there is no tracking device to program me.

            2. peoplepower73 profile image90
              peoplepower73posted 11 months agoin reply to this

              RMN, Receiving ballots in the mail for voting and then mailing the ballots in is the same as receiving vaccine by mail and sending in the paperwork.  That's what that meme is saying and you know  it and I know it.  Nice try.

              Santa is not going to bring you any presents if you keep lying like that.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                Castlepalomaposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                I don't know if mental devices are in the vaccines, could be later on.

                Santa maybe hijack by Satan Klaus from the WEF this dark winter. It's