What makes consciousness?
Thank You. I am patiently awaiting as well.
I'm doing well. Do you want to be unconscious as in what exactly? Do you mean sleep? Or mean Dead?
If it's the latter, please seek help.
On another note, if you are that tired, then do something that makes your blood move, so as to restore energy. Once you begin doing something, your tiredness should go away, simply because you will be concentrating on doing whatever it is you are doing.
Thus, time may pass and something constructive/positive was done with your time, so you can then go to sleep and sleep soundly.
Just a thought.
Consciousness is a developmental thing. For the first 5 years of life we are more sub conscious than conscious - we suffer from childhood amnesia. We remember very little prior to year 5 unless there has been something traumatic that happens to us or something very exciting.
Subconscious development can be compared to Dos on a computer whereas the conscious maybe compared to windows - the operating system that runs on it. The subconscious is always running but the computer is unaware.
So, when you have 'windows' running on the computer or you add some software, this changes the running of the computer. To compare - when a new experience or information is made aware to a human, then this changes the person.... of course, this then links to the nature/nurture debate.
Conscious and subconscious desires (because you cant anaylise one without the other) is a question of great debate in science and it isnt something you will be able to conclude on a comments section in a thread on hubpages.
However, I am sure that you will open a whole can of worms with lots of interpretations, so I shall watch this thread with interest!Hello, Shaz, I agree with you about subconscious doing most of the work. I also think it's interesting how our conscious can train our subconscious. I think you have consciously read some neuroscience books.
Great thoughts, thank you.Well done. You should comment more, I am interested in seeing more of your thoughts on these things compared to what is taught and what is not taught. Thanks.
I really try hard not to agree with you so much, but it happens.
You don't know why we are conscious.
Adrienne, of course I don't know where, who, how, or why the first conscious cell originated, this is why I started the thread. I want to find out, but have been sidetracked trying to prove the obvious that consciousness starts on the cellular level. I still disagree that you know the origin of consciousness, but if you have any ideas with explanations, i'll gladly read them. Thank You.
Where is boo boo?
Yes, it does get complicated when you make faith based assumptions with no logical explanations.
Consciousness is only spiritual when you make your assumptions in good spirits without logical explanations.spirituality is not based in logic...that is for the human mind...we are intended to use both our faith and out logic to find our unity with the universe/God...consciousness...which is the answer to your question, you were asking
Coffee or Mountain Dew!
LOL I figure "Durh...We dunno" is the MOST credible answer we're going to get.
lol I think it's hilarious, most to all of us think or know that we are the highest conscious life on the planet, but no one knows how. I do think we are the highest conscious life on the planet for having our level of awareness.
I had to edit this one.
lol, I think we can figure it out or at least get a better idea. I am watching youtube videos on it. I will post when I find a good one.
These people don't understand what you're implying, obviously......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y3d9gIUcI0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXb6YKERKn4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktIGVtKdgwo
Spider, these are some great videos showing plant awareness. Science refers to plants reactions as defense or survival mechanisms. One thing they tend to leave out is how the plant has to be conscious or aware of it's threats for it's defense mechanisms to be activated. I think consciousness or awareness drives the defense/survival mechanisms. I think it could be called conscious mechanisms. There are also plants that evolve physical mechanisms to deter predators.
Without an awareness of predators, why would there be a need to evolve defense mechanisms?
I can't define consciousness as absolute because i'm not completely sure. To simplify it, I think consciousness is life. I think all living things have some level of consciousness or awareness. I also think evolution would be impossible without consciousness. If there was no awareness or consciousness of threats for life to survive or evolve, the threats would never be recognized.well said...
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After watching the videos I have to agree plants have some form of intelect/awareness. I remember as a kid watching the trees turn their leaves over when a storm was coming. How could that only happen before a storm unless they have some kind of awareness system. It may be just a sense of electrical changes in the air or maybe it is a chemical change in the air? I'm not convinced that they think or have thoughts about self, but a very primitive begining to that process might be the ability to detect chemical/electrical changes in their environment...
But what makes them, and how do they, decide to grow leaves that can close and capture ants... How do they decide to grow so they can hold water and catch protein rich food supplies? Is it trial and error? How would they know something worked and something didn't? Maybe they communicate through chemical processes more than we think???
Maybe it is God that does it for them. Plants aren't granted free-will. An intervention on behalf of plants doesn't break God's promise of not preventing/interfering with freewill... ???
Nice to see another former Marine, glad i'm not the only insane one here.
Semer Fi . I will check it out, thanks.
Yes, but even when asleep, you are still subconscious or conscious. If you are sleeping and hear a loud noise or something disturbing, you consciously awake unless you drank a 12 pack before going to sleep.
Is consciousness design or random? Is it chemical reactions that design consciousness? What designs the chemical reactions or are they random?
- Twenty One Daysposted 15 years ago
0What, an illusion, like we are in a temporary 'hologram' of existence? Sounds like fun...
We do have the same reality. Everyone simply refuses to see it.
You "don't think" about a lot of things; you read.
I have a higher level of "awareness" when I'm not in the cloudy "forum atmospheres"...if you know what I mean. I'm glad you cleared that up.
But, I consider it to be original, when it is your own ideas; sure, you can call it individual perspectives - it's all the same to me.
It's possible that the consciousness gets recycled or moves to a different stage after death. I don't know.
Thank You Cecilia.
thanks for acknowledging, i thought i was howling in the wind.
Hell, I don't know, we could all just be a conscious illusion or an illusion of consciousness made to believe we are conscious when we are really unconscious.
Does consciousness design the universe or does the universe design consciousness?
I think consciousness designs the universe.And it can't react to the environment unless it was "conscious" of the environment.
The Universe created Evolution, which created Consciousness. Does that help?
- Agreed.
Consciousness did not create Evolution. Conscious humans discovered Evolution.
Because, I did the research to understand that the Universe created life within itself. The only way for Life to exist is through the process known as Evolution. The Earth evolved to be and hold Human life. Human life-form evolved Consciousness.
Hope that helped.Says who?
You're statement makes absolute no sense. Try again.
Cagsil, conscious reactions to the environment allowed life to survive and evolve.
Humans were not the first conscious beings.
I don't care how much research you did, you have little evidence of how life on the planet came to be, much less the universe.
Conscious life evolved humans. Consciousness evolved life.Our CONSCIOUSNESS(human) wasn't known in anything other than humans and to think it was is asinine.
Are you sure of that?
Correct, because animals are not conscious or aware of themselves or their own existence. Their consciousness is tied to nature. It's not an individual thinking consciousness. Is that better.
Our consciousness is our awareness of our own existence. You cannot be conscious and NOT be aware. Granted, there are some really unaware people to certain aspects of life, but not life itself.
Every single human being knows that they are alive, simply because they woke up from being asleep. If you didn't wake up, you wouldn't know you were alive.Yes, individual consciousness compared to group consciousness makes your thought clearer. But I wouldn't rule out that all life has the possibility of an individual consciousness to some extent.
The only reason us or anyone knows we are alive is because of consciousness.Cagsil, I think you've wandered into grounds you do not understand nor are ready for. This is not 6th grade Science class and this is not 'pre-school philo' sessions, either.
I've read through these threads (especially through Marine's "other" evolution forum/debate), and much to my original opinion, you do not have a clue what a few of us are talking about.
We understand that you don't, but hopefully, you'll eventually get off your high horse of all-knowing assumptions and realize that you have a lot to learn. You might have the ignorant majority fooled, but some of us silently laugh at things that even the so-called "overly educated ones" are not aware of. Side note: not that you are overly educated or anything - ha-ha!
Anyway, try to show some respect towards the individuals that are in touch with deeper meanings about their own existence and have a stronger awareness for things that you don't even know about! Maybe you need to keep it simple and just make fun of the religious freaks, but you're on the wrong forum for that. Life doesn't stop at your front door; many thanks...
That's the interpretation those who have studied animals make it appear to be. It's not actually true.
Competition is also seen in sperm.
Sperm are conscious.
There wouldn't be awareness or will to survive without consciousness. Again, it is consciousness that designs evolution.
Awareness and survival are also important, but neither would be possible without consciousness.
No, I don't think I could control all of the sperm, maybe my genetics would have some role, but I think all would also have their own consciousness to some extent. Also, if I was dead or unconscious, they would be dead and unconscious. That is a tricky question.Conscious life finds a way.
Jewels, well said, I agree on the first sentence. No, I still think consciousness drives life, why did you think I changed it? I also agree on your last sentence.
Thank You Dale. I would like to be surprised, but i'm not. I think plant consciousness is observable by everyone, not just experimenting scientists. I also think it is obvious that plants have consciousness of their environment or they wouldn't survive the environment.
- Alright. What makes the synapse happen. How does it know where to make the connections to bridge the gap? Why is there a gap? Wouldn't it make more sense for them to already be connected?
I just wanted to make sure that everyone seen me write that sperm are conscious.
Conscious life starts at the sperm.- Thank You.
- Deborah Sextonposted 15 years ago0
- I don't need to take medical or biology courses to know your definition isn't absolute. It's funny you claim yours is when most scientists and biologist leave it to philosophy. Maybe you should take some more courses. I think plants have conscious cells just as humans, this is how they make conscious reactions to the environment. It takes the DNA to get the brain. There is consciousness in DNA also. Go back to school.
- Don't step on the grass it might try to trip you.
Deborah, That is pathetic. A concept you can't understand of all life and cells being conscious and you make an immature joke. It's not my fault you went to school and paid all your money and still can't read outside of the books. If you would like to write something of meaning of why you don't think all life and cells are conscious, I am all eyes and conscious of what you have.
If you had an open mind, you wouldn't make jokes of something that opens up new doors. Your door is closed if it's not through the textbook.That was sheer folly; thanks Deborah.
Really.
.it is the mechanism. How do you assume consciousness comes about?
Do you think you can know anything without the brain?
The conscious mind (left side) has no memory and has to depend on the right side for that.Deborah, is it a conscious mechanism or an unconscious mechanism?
Admit defeat already, it's ok. Sorry they didn't teach you your cells and all life is conscious when you went to college. Deborah, how about explaining how all other life that doesn't have a brain ever remembers things to pass on in evolution without a consciousness.
- Twenty One Daysposted 15 years ago0
Thank You for finally acknowledging that the subjective is before the objective.
- Twenty One Daysposted 15 years ago0
What do we already know? We only recently discovered evolution on the human timescale, we still don't know what caused it to start. Do you have the answer without making an assumption?
I don't know why you think no one person is smarter than the other, that is a nice euphoric philosophy and all, but it is incorrect. Some people have awareness to raise their consciousness while others seem content with a lower consciousness. There are different levels of consciousness. All do not have the same genetics, I think every individual consciousness has something individual to contribute to the whole. You are assuming all people are exactly the same, then preaching about not assuming.
Something new can be learned everyday. Because most is recycled doesn't make it absolute that all is recycled. Instinct is not a boot program, is a subconscious program. The data is already there because there is conscious memory within the cells. You can't need to know anything without being conscious.
and again, marine, all of which you refer is within that stasis -consciousness. Therefore, that 'philos' is accurate, even as you express it. The particular angle or perception does not alter the core of, it only manifests the dormant logic, notion, parallel, information. This is why I support the claim of human totality with regard to information/knowledge. Just because those parallels of the syndication surfaced in some for or fashion (i.e. evolution, chocolate marshmallows, DNA sequencing) does not suggest it was not already there.
The programming is complete, humans DO know. We assume or prefer to accept we do not. Hence also, why we consider 'levels' of intellect or consciousness. When those 'levels' are simply an activation of something already existing within consciousness.
The considerations within consciousness are many -seemingly infinite- but both complete and limited to said stasis.
Still within the syndicate, all humans are equal.Jewels rules!
- lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago0
what truly makes consciousness is consciousness, just a tid bit of info
Happy Weekend to everyone.
I hope so...
If the plants weren't conscious, they wouldn't be alive.
DNA remembers information. This is impossible without a conscousness of the past. If so, explain please.
- Thanks, I laughed at it too.
In any memory context. No memory is possible without consciousness of the past.
We are talking about different levels of memory. I don't know why every little small thing is not remembered, maybe because it is selective memory only remembering the most important for survival.
On equilibrium and homeostasis, i'm not sure, but if I had to guess, I would guess yes. Regulation has to be conscious of what it is regulating and why it's regulating it.
That wasn't an insult, it was just my observation.
You can refer to consciousness as God without evidence to explain it, I will refer to consciousness as unknown because I am honest to admit I don't know how, who, what, or why it started.
Raising consciousness, I am talking about learning and being open to as many ideas as possible, even the ones not quoted by religion or science books.
I'll correct it: Most of the people you talk to, are not even aware of their own awareness or consciousness! How's that, for the majority rules...
lol I agree, good there are intelligent conscious cells to keep them subconscious remembering to keep them alive.
- Deborah Sextonposted 15 years ago0
- Deborah Sextonposted 15 years ago0
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Leaves do not evolve from stems. They grow from or off it. (there would be no purpose for a stem without it's leaves, flowers or fruit and the leaf is part of the stem's pattern) Evolution is the gradual change of something into something else.
No DNA without consciousness? Where do you get this?
Explain memory and replication of the past without consciousness of the past. Very simple, without consciousness, DNA does not exist, nor does life.
If one thing grows from the other, it evolved from the thing it grew from. It first takes a stem to evolve a leaf. Unless you believe your God just magically added those. Evolution is a gradual change, maybe that is why it is so hard for you to understand something that looks like a leaf evolved from something that looks like a stem. Conscious reactions to the environment make the patterns. This is how they have evidence that we evolved. If there were no patterns, it would all be random evolution instead of conscious evolution.lol , You are done with yourself. You don't understand it takes a stem to have a leaf and say I don't understand the word evolve.
Tell me how leaves evolve once more enlightened one.
- It appears it is over your head.
- It appears you have no consciousness of your head.
- So does yours. It shows you have no individual ideas, just robotic ones and nit pick insults on others ideas.
lol It is not the truth. Consciousness is left out. Without the cells having conscious memory or reactions, their wouldn't be DNA. It may be a program, but it is a conscious/subconscious program. It takes conscious cells to make a conscious brain. Keep trying.
I am happy you believe you and your hubby have a higher consciousness school when you are partly unconscious.
Maybe 6 more years of school will do the trick.
Oh now I see you have no idea what Higher consciousness is either. Doesn't have anything to do with school.
Masters = Higher consciousness = Enlightened.
Do I have the right forumla? I thought it took a PHD to reach enlightenment.Brain damage can really mess up a life
Yes, so stop tricking your subconscious that you are enlightened when you are barely conscious.
Agreed.
I have a pretty good idea that consciousness on the cellular will be in textbooks in 10 years or less unless it is left out for a reason. I think consciousness is clearly shown at the cellular level. If cells didn't have consciousness or memory, they would not be alive or be able to create our consciousness. If anyone feels different, I welcome your explanation of how life survives, even on the cellular level without conscious reactions.
Which contradicts everything you've said.
By the way..I just unfollowed you. You have no idea what I have said or what I am saying.
Stems do not evolve into leaves as stated by him. The stem, leaves etc. are part of the DNA from the beginning.
So you may want to study evolution too.The books are not conscious.
And neither is a person that only relys on books for their information.
The plants probably fall in love too.
Poor things, the bugs eat them and they can't move. How cruel for nature to make them aware of all these things in their own little plant brains.-
What is a rocks reaction?
There are no living reactions without consciousness.
For the genius married duo of higher consciousness that think the leaves didn't evolve from the stem.
The widespread appearance of megaphyll leaves, with their branched veins and planate form, did not occur until the close of the Devonian period at about 360 Myr ago. This happened about 40 Myr after simple leafless vascular plants first colonized the land in the Late Silurian/Early
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 … 352a0.html
Read....The leaves evolved after the leafless stems. Amazing.
"Leaves today are, in almost all instances, an adaptation to increase the amount of sunlight that can be captured for photosynthesis. Leaves certainly evolved more than once, and probably originated as spiny outgrowths to protect early plants from herbivory." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_plants
How do you lack the awareness to tell someone they don't know what evolve means when you can't understand a leaf evolved from a stem?Sounds intelligent to me.
You make for some very valid points of view.
Thank You.
I enjoy reading yours as well.
Thank You.
Thank You.
I partly agree with Twenty on one thing, most of our sources can be found inside ourselves and observation, but we wouldn't have the level of awareness of our consciousness without others.Twenty, thanks for returning.
I love the man on the island/desert question. I think he would still be conscious, but he wouldn't know what consciousness is. If there was no humans or books to read, how would he know? Many of us here on the forum have infinite information available and still don't fully understand consciousness, even with feedback from others.which is why i told someone else, consciousness is a seemingly infinite parallel within a finite area. The probabilities of A-B (meaning the très priori) are -well- ridiculously a lot. Any single thought can attach/detach from another at will.
ps glad to be back, in good company!
let catch a new york minute cigarette and jump back in to esplain the light thing.I hope the cigg was good.
Those things cause subconscious dependency.
- Twenty One Daysposted 15 years ago0
You 2 have at it. You throw the numbers out and I go blank.
I will search for youtube videos to see what you are talking about. lol
sorry M. The use of numbers is just to show the three conditions of light/energy. The idea is this:
light or any energy is always in motion.
project, absorb, reflect.
this is also the condition of human consciousness.
question/consider, dialogue/objective (optic), decision/solution.
Ceci, to answer that "0" it is in motion, only 'circular' meaning it is both project-reflect simultaneously. This is what enables spectral or optic ability. The rays & waves intersecting, collides then either projecting or reflecting.
Now, the interesting thing is how many probabilities can exist.
I have been working on this literally for years. Based on the 3³concept (spheric), each instance of energy has 3 base properties : dominant, equal, submissive, a charge of proto, neutral, electro and a vibrato of project, absorb, reflect.
So, apply this to consciousness, it works the same.
{ hope that made sense. its early and my brain needs starbucks
}right on!
i refer to it as the trè priori. but yeah, that's it.
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