Conscious Natural Selection
Most scientists are scared to venture outside of textbooks and so-called proven facts. The mechanical mind often lacks imagination, and from there, it often fails therein... In that respect, a scientific mind often becomes as narrow as the ones who believe in organized religions. Ha-ha; how lame! Hi, Mr. Marine!
Way too lazy to do an work huh? I don't blame you - understanding natural selection means reading quite a lot.
Dear me. Those pesky scared to push the envelope of believing without fact scientists, they really are scared.
One more try - maybe this one will stick. An example:
Prey XYZ. Some with more grey in their fur, some with more brown - 50/50 split. Random mutation occurs in a mating pair of birds. Color blind to grey and cannot see it - prefers to eat brown plants.
More brown plants eaten. More grey plants survive. Prey with grey in fur gets eaten less than prey with brown as blends in better. More grey becomes norm and animals becomes grey as a species.
Natural selection.
No awareness. None.Knowles, maybe if you would use logic before faith in your comments, you wouldn't make so many wrong faithful unscientific assumptions. Hubscore isn't everything.
Yes! It is like smoking a subconscious crack. I forgot to tell the angry atheists not to inhale. Maybe that is why they aren't being very logical.
- There is no adaptation to adapt without consciousness or awareness of what and why to adapt. Many animals and plants have been observed making physical changes in response to conscious thinking in survival and attracting more mates. Survival of the fittest
Funny you say that seeing as many animals will mate with the other mates that consciously give them the strongest offspring. Explain how this is done without conscioness to observe and select the strongest mate.
Hi Marine, still haven't read this I see, you really should do yourself a big favor.
http://www.literature.org/authors/darwi … f-species/Maybe you should do yourself a favor and use your brain to think of something on your own without relying on outside links. Much easier to post a link and say you are right and i'm wrong.
"Although natural selection can act only through and for the good of each being, yet characters and structures, which we are apt to consider as of very trifling importance, may thus be acted on."
Theres a quote from your link, lets talk about this one. How does it only act for the good without consciousness knowing whats good?It would appear that continually creating the same threads and asking the same redundant questions is easier than reading a book.
At least you've revealed and admitted to an agenda of pitching fallacies.
Amazing at all the silly comments of those that think they are logical that disagree without evidence of why they disagree. Faith is nice, isn't it?
Your mouth should be full as how you laugh at ideas with no ideas of your own. I still see you have no answers supporting your faith.
Ahhh well, you can always follow the field of the rhetoricians haven, but either way, that was some funny stuff you posted. LMAO! Thanks, because I do enjoy humor...and, it is healthy to laugh.
You cannot even follow your own self, AdSense...???; you obviously can't... LOL!
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Actually, Mr. Yonder; I fell off of my mom's bicycle when I was age 3. Don't even try the pity crap upon me........ In your last reply, you quote my words; it made you look better...
- sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago
0In the case of people there is an atraction to the type of person that you feel fits your picture of perfect. With so many variations it would be hard to put it solely on the biggest and the best because it boils down to a matter of taste."Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!" That said, I do believe there is a good arguement for Social Darwinism because of the tendency of humans to exploit the weak. This is done to secure wealth and insure there is an underclass. Just my thoughts.
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TLMinutposted 20 hours ago
This is the example I'm referring to, just so you don't need to go back a page:
Prey XYZ. Some with more grey in their fur, some with more brown - 50/50 split. Random mutation occurs in a mating pair of birds. Color blind to grey and cannot see it - prefers to eat brown plants.
More brown plants eaten. More grey plants survive. Prey with grey in fur gets eaten less than prey with brown as blends in better. More grey becomes norm and animals becomes grey as a species.
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AdSense, great last three paragraphs, I liked them.
There are a lot of gaps in his example. He is alluding that animals get their color simply from what color of plants they eat. Do lizards change color only when eating plants?
Also, many plants have been observed to change colors in attracting different mates or in survival.
Also, he says random mutation in birds. Predictable.
Where is the sexual selection mentioned where birds will consciously choose mates based on physical features like attractive colors? He doesn't know he's conscious.Dear me. Are you genuinely incapable of understanding what I said? Because that is not what I said at all. I alluded no such thing.
Not sure it is worth explaining any further if you are at this level of reading comprehension though. I am beginning to understand why you choose not to educate yourself.
dyonderposted 20 hours ago
pokes & prods/voices in the darkness
Consciousness is a concept/aspect of life, natural selection can be the result of occurrences after the death of a conscious life form. If the death of an organism results in the proliferation (or the more efficient breakdown (read as assimilation)) of it or other life forms, circumstances (of local environments) adjust accordingly in order to perpetuate the bloom whose demise fed the whole in a fullness consciousness can neither accept or understand.
kinda silly really, all the hubub
Your response is kinda silly. Without consciousness to live, there is no life.
Of course natural selection still takes place after death, but only with conscious life. There is no natural selection without conscious selection whether by environment or lifes reaction to the environment. There are no adjustments without consciousness to adjust. Yep, pretty silly "hubub" you wrote. Consciousness is not just an aspect of life, consciousness is what designs your life.I would like someone to explain how they would see or write anything without being conscious. Are you just a computer program simply have mechanical impulses in response? Well some of you, probably yes.
- Deborah Sextonposted 15 years ago0
Are you kidding? The selection was very conscious/subconscious. Many life forms are drawn to mates simply by sounds or vocals. There are many experiments showing females drawing more mates when fertile. Much biology changes in the female when fertile in subconsciously/consciously mating. The color of a females face and skin also become more vibrant when fertile in attracting mates. You listed a great example of conscious subconscious selection, even though you were trying to do the opposite.
I asked a trick question earlier, sorry. I asked for anyone that can explain evolution without consciousness.
This is impossible, you must be conscious to read, write, much less attempting to explain anything. Explaining evolution without consciousness is impossible.Perhaps the problem here is the very wording of the idea in the first place: Natural Selection.
Selection denotes conscious choice.
Even the term "adapt" connotes a causal agent with purpose.
Also, it's coming across to me as if what's being suggested is that an animal or plant takes a look around, smells out the environment, listens closely and then weighs its options. Marine is probably not trying to suggest such a thing!
I don't even consciously think he is but the idea is apparently influencing my thinking.
What if we were to use the term "Biochemical Adjustment" or even "Natural Consequence"? Why were terms with a wealth of implication of design chosen in the first place especially if they were originally applied by those who don't believe in such a thing?What? LOLOLOL
Yes = positive.
No = negative.
Possibly = I don't know.
Did you even read what I wrote? I am thinking not judging from your answers. Just want an argument huh? I don't blame you - actually learning something means work.
Possibly.
Cells have a membrane. You make yourself laugh.
Brilliant aren't you.
Marine! you are NOT serious!?
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What kind of evidence do you need to understand that all evolution is a series of unconscious experiments - and when they work we call that "adaptation". When my eyes developed as eyes that could see both things far away and things close up and were especially "adapted" to seeing movement, instantly, I wasn't even born yet, but my ancestors were perfecting these skills so they could be passed down to me. So no one was "conscious" that these things were being perfected through EVOLUTION. It took eons to happen. As with, for instance, wisdom teeth. They tell us that a large percentage of humans are now not even growing wisdom teeth, because the human jaw doesn't need to be as big as it used to be and there isn't room for wisdom teeth - - - no one is consciously deciding not to let their wisdom teeth grow so they can avoid the pain of having them shove all the other teeth around and then having them dug out of their jaws! Ok?
Now if you're going to say the human bodies are conscious of doing these things, even when the human mind is not aware or conscious of it - then you are just looking for some attention! (not that there is anything wrong with that! I do it all the time) just want to be clear on this.
"Evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms through successive generations."
when you say "you wouldn't be alive if your weren't . . . " that isn't the arguement you were actually making before! Don't go changing your own words to try to look intelligent!Sounds logical to me, although i'm not an atheist hero scientist or a biologist with a Phd, so my logic isn't accepted on the forums.
I will google this mandelbroth.
That is an agenda of refusing to learn, and you admitted it.
Yes, you would misinterpret, you didn't have an atheist hero to interpret for you. it is the opposite of refusing to learn, refusing to learn would be not wanting to be proved wrong. Another brilliant comment by you, no links to post to show how I am refusing to learn?
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