Do you want to help or hurt the planet

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   pburgerposted 15 years ago

   Does anybody 'want' to hurt the planet?

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      PrettyPantherposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Unlikely, however, there are plenty who "want" to make money and don't care if the planet is hurt in the process.

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         Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Bingo. Pass Go and collect $200. You just won at both games.
         
         I agree entirely. No one wants to really hurt the planet (I think) but temporarily hurting it for the sake of greed is acceptable, because most people don't follow through the consequences of their actions. They only see the opportunity of "now" and therefore seize it.

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            pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Hi Daniel,
            
            Short of a revolution to overthrow capitalism - what do we do about the state of the planet?

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               Rochelle Frankposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Individuals can do very little alone, but millions of individuals -- including capitalists- can do a lot by using less plasic, recycling, etc.
               
               I am glad to see that some large, capitalistic companies are starting to appeal to their customers by using greener methods of producing, packaging and processing their products.
               
               I am ALL in favor of using very minimal processed food and other products, but the only way that less fuel will be used (and less trash produced)-- is to get big  capitalist business behind those concepts. Let them know you support them when they are making good choices.
               
               I'm not at all against capitalism-- but I am for influencing
               the big capitalists to realize that people support any efforts to stop trash and pollution.

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                  pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  I cannot rest on 'influence' alone, not while conservative politicians influence the political outcomes to retard the efforts to address the state of the planet.
                  
                  I think too many people deny the situation and for me that simply perpetuates the problem. And the passing on of production costs associated with clean technology simply shifts the burden of responsibility.
                  
                  With extreme overpopulation and degradation of the biosphere, I cannot see how we can continue the exploitation of the planet according to an economic system designed for a social reality that no longer exists....

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         pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Hi Pretty Panther
         
         Do enough people want to help the planet?

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            PrettyPantherposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            I think that if you asked pretty much anyone if they wanted to help the planet, they would say "yes."  The real question should be "what would you sacrifice in the way of time, money, convenience, etc. in order to help the planet?"

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               pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Do you think most people are prepared to sacrifice enough to help the planet?

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            I am DB Cooperposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Probably not enough right now. This planet will be saved when (or if) it becomes profitable to do things that help the planet. Right now most people see helping the planet as a sacrifice of their money or free time.

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               pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Do you think we should apply a monetary measure to everything? Isn't that the essence of capitalism? And didn't that approach get us into this situation?

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      leebertteaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I think what people want is to survive. We aren't any different than any of the other animals that share our world, except we have the ability to recognize our impact and to feel empathy for the less fortunate. The bottom line is we're still driven by the same biology, survival and propagating our species. In those pursuits we tend not to focus on mankind in general so there isn't a conscious effort to do harm to the planet but to obtain great wealth in order to attract the most desirable mates is of primary importance.

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      qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Burger:
      Pls tell me how man can "hurt" the planet?
      The earth has experienced far greater catastrophes than man could dream of creating, and she's still here and doing well.
      She'll be here long after we humans have bitten the dust.
      I said once that you asked a "silly" question. You have just asked another one. I'm just being "candidly" honest.
      Being "politically correct," is not my bag....:-)

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         pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         You are entitled your opinion.
         
         But I think, from reading what other people post, that my question is not 'silly'... And, if you look through the other thread where indeed you make your comment that I ask a 'silly question' you will also find a great deal of discussion around my 'silly question'.
         
         And within those discussion you find that another hubber insisted that I should ask this question of myself. So here I am asking the question in the public domain.
         
         One hubber's 'silly question' is another hubber's thread

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         PrettyPantherposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Just become something survives does not mean it hasn't been hurt.  This is not a silly question.  Perhaps it could have been phrased differently, but the rest of us know what was meant by it.

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            pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Hang on there, Pretty Panther
            Qwark has yet to anoint you
            So, officially, I'm the silly one here

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         pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         WARK!
         
         'Tell me' why you think 'man', but not woman, does not hurt the planet; 'tell me' how the recent spate of oil spills is not a form of damage to the ecosystem?

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   ns1209posted 15 years ago

   I doubt there are many people that want to hurt the planet just most people are selfish and greedy and we would not spend a lot more if something was green - including me!  However if something is free and helps like recycling I try and do that!

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      pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      WOW!  'Most people are selfish and greedy?' That's something of a generalization, given we have a global population of how many billions? Is it greedy or ignorance? Or simply ambivalence?

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   ediggityposted 15 years ago

   I kick dirt, and punch trees daily.  I never really thought I was intentionally hurting the planet though.  Thanks for making me feel bad.

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      pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I asked a question.
      
      If you answer that question and take your answer to heart how do I 'make you feel bad'?
      
      Surely, you made yourself feel bad....

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         ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Because I never really thought about it until you asked.  Thanks for making me feel worse.

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            pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Don't blame me for how you feel. It is not my FAULT that a question you choose to answer make you think about yourself. JFC!

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               ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Hey, you brought it up.  If you didn't I'd still be fine.  Way to rub it in.

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                  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  And, if you didn't waste your own effort to reply to the question, then you wouldn't have a problem.

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                     ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     I don't have a problem.  I don't believe I was conversing with you either.

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                        Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        That is irrelevant in a public forum thread. But, have a great day!

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                           ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           More news from the peanut gallery.  What a surprise yawn zzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz.

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                              pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                              Is this the punch-line to your joke

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                                 ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                 Yeah, for people who don't even attempt to roll with the original topic.  It's more like a somber state of mind.

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                                    pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                    Here's to rolling into a somber state mind

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                  pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  LMAFO - What happened to taking responsibility for your own state of being?

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                     ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     I'm American, when did taking responsibility for my actions become a requirement?

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                        Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        

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                        pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        LMAFO!
                        
                        That's a prerogative limited to an American?
                        
                        OMG - you mean these conservative politicians down-under are Americans in disguise? No wonder I can't understand them...

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   Originposted 15 years ago

   I don't want to hurt the planet. I've always wanted to create some type of mystical grove, something serene and different.

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      pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Cool
      
      How's your grove growing going? Can you share something with us?

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   qwarkposted 15 years ago

   silly questions and silly responses...tsk tsk

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      pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, silly us! I like being silly Better to be silly than blind and turgid.
      
      And if this thread is so silly, why spend time posting here?

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      pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Look Mum, wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
      
      Don't be so silly son!
      
      Awwww maaaaaa!

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   Cagsilposted 15 years ago

   Nice to see you know how to twist things to not being your fault.
   
   You are not any better than the politicians who are in power in America. Then again, there are others just like you, who enjoy twisting other people words, so as to suit themselves.
   
   What a waste of breath!

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      kimberlyslyricsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      

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      ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Like a politician?  Seems like you poke your nose where it doesn't belong, and try to stir things up pot.  I haven't twisted anyone's words, and if you can't tell from my original comment that it was a joke that's not my fault.  Like I was trying to say.  It was a pants shirt conversation, so put a sock in it.  I hope you get that breath back, please don't waste it on me.

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         Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         And, apparently you cannot even grasp the concept that you are wrong. Enough said. It was you who was wasting their breath. DUH!

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            ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Whatever you have to say to make yourself feel better.  Keep digging....

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         pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         It was a joke? I fail to see irony or humor in your replies - But I'll take your word for it - I stand corrected - HAH HAH HAH Big laugh guffaw guffaw.
         
         How bad do I MAKE YOU FEEL
         
         I hope you feel so bad you decide to swill a pint of Southwark bitter ale

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            ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Yeah, it was a joke.  I don't really kick dirt and punch trees every day.  You make me feel like I hurt the planet.  I've never had love juice.  I might give it a try, do they sell it at Ralphs?

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               pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Yoh ediggity Yoh
               Love juice?
               What's that?
               Ralphs?
               Whats that?
               
               Not everybody lives in your corner of the public domain
               You got any more subtle jokes over there buddy?

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                  ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Yeah, what do you call cheese that's not yours?

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                     pburgerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     I would call cheese that's not mine 'your cheese'

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                        ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        Nacho Cheese, welcome to America.

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   ediggityposted 15 years ago

   

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