Sex ed in k and elementary?

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   TMMasonposted 13 years ago

   "It lays out sex education topics for each grade, K through 12.  In the first grade, children would be taught that human beings can love people of the same gender; in second grade, kids are taught not to make fun of people by calling them "gay" or "queer." 
   
   http://www.krtv.com/news/helena-schools … ntroversy/
   
   The Homo-Nazi agenda being pushed onto our children again. I like how they want to teach Homo-sex in the first grade and before anything else, as if it is the most normal of activities.

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      kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Teaching kids not to use homophobic slurs, what an outrage against moral decency!
      
      After all, Jesus told us, "Love they neighbor as thyself, unless of course thy neighbor is a homo, in which case thou shalt kick the s*** out of him and call him a faggot." Now what was the chapter and verse on that? I'm sure I saw it somewhere...

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         Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Tolerance is a trait of Communism, Nazis and the Gay Agenda. The founding fathrs were all raving lunatics against tolerance and we won;t allow it now....

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      psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I think you need to take that class yourself.

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         Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Great comment!

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      Kimberly Bunchposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, pretty gross.

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         Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Pretty ridiculous, Mason's point.

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      brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          There was a teacher teaching sex ed and there were 10 people, 5 groups of 2 and one baptist preacher. The teacher asked the people how they handled their sexuality. Some said condoms to avoid pregnancy, others said they screened people prior, Some said they only swung with friends. The baptist preacher said he used abstinence and didn't get involved with the matter at all.
      So the teacher gave each person a form to fill out of which they all did but the baptist didn't feel inclined to so he put his down. Then the teacher asked everybody to shake hands and get to know each other a bit. Which they did, except the pastor and he put his hands into his pockets. Later the teacher told everybody that one person had an x on the back of their paper, and sure enough one person did and the teacher went on to say that now everybody who had shaken hands with that person had an STD. The baptist calmly reminded the teacher that he did not participate and that by abstinence he was STD free.
           Sexual education is a parents concern only. It is not a schools place to teach sex education ever. That should be left to the parent. Grade one and two is far too early. Kids should be kids for as long as they can because the world will give them problems long before their time.

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   Italmeansumthinposted 13 years ago

   Are you guys joking!? That sounds like the one good thing this government can do for its people. Teach kindness and acceptness. Something that the majority of the people know nothing of, apparently.
   I am very much for this sex education. It is important that we seek to be comfortable with ourselves and others and respect them for who they are. The way this country is turning out nowaways, with the majority of teenage girls getting pregnant, the government needs to start setting boundaries.

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   SomewayOuttaHereposted 13 years ago

   ...my thoughts...there isn't enough in that article; on a positive note based on that very limited info - it suggests teaching children that there are differences in people and to not call people names because they are different....by the time they are in school, parents should have already taught their children the basics...and if parents teach their children to be negative towards others, then children will at least gain a different perspective....more seeds will be sown.

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      Italmeansumthinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Well said!

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      habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I agree, but it's sad that teachers have to do the parents' job.

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         rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         it is more than sad, I don't know the right word. there are plenty of people that complain that schools shouldn't include social skills, but needless to say, many parents simply aren't teaching their young.
         
         perhaps, but if you've spent any time teaching in the classrooms, starting very young, you would see this is true. some parents simply don't take time to parent their children, it doesn't matter what the demographics are...

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   TMMasonposted 13 years ago

   This goes way beyond teaching tolerance... playing it down is a good strategy. but America has seen thru it. This is about de-valueing the moral fiber of this nation. Has been, and continues to be, about destroying Judao-Christian values and morals.
   
   Ahh lets go to the actual draft of the proposed education program. This one beats even such idiocies as, "Whole language" and -IMPs- (Inter-active Math Programs., among a thousand other failed and failing education programs.
   
   Yeah... we see what the schools are all about. And it is called "Socail Engineering". It is not thier place.
   
   http://www.helena.k12.mt.us/images/docu … Health.pdf
   
   And I am so tired of hearing that sad line about how "parents don't do thier job".
   
   Get real... why... because we don't teach what the left says we have to. That is a joke.

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      Italmeansumthinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I think it is their place to exhibit how a culture should behave towards its members instead of how this culture already criticizes its people because of their religious preferences

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      psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      If parents are teaching paranoia and hatred of people who are different, they aren't doing their job.

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         TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I have taught my children Homo-Sexuality is immoral.
         
         If they choose to do it.. then they will have to live with the consequenses of that choice.
         
         As we do with all choices.
         
         What the leant leftists attempt to define as "hatred", alot of us consider Morals. If one wishes to act in an immoral way then that is thier choice, but don't try to pass it off and teach to our children as normal and acceptable behavour.

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   SomewayOuttaHereposted 13 years ago

   ....screeeeeeeeeech!...that's the sound of me putting the brakes on....
   
   

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   prettydarkhorseposted 13 years ago

   education sector and the range of subjects they learn from school is very important in the life of the youth, education sector is like their second home,
   
   I am for sex education but it depends on the topic and consultation with parents
   
   respect for peoples orientation and valuing life and making it sure that they know when to say NO (example sexual predators) is alright for me, how to have options in enjoying the natural course of things, - opening to different contraception and options is also good although the educational system should always be in consultation with the parents and age specific,
   
   a well consultations with psychologists, educators, parents, government agencies and all stakeholders should be in placed
   
   Remember that every family has their own sets of values, so it is kind of really hard too

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   baileywillettposted 13 years ago

   i am pretty sure that homophobia is one of the worst personality traits a person can have. There is no difference in loving someone of the same sex, opposite sex, or loving both of them. The only difference is there sexual organs. Feelings are the same. you still love them. its just a way of life. not so much a choice. You dont see anybody walking around making fun of you because your straight.
     Homophobic people really need to grow up, and open there eyes. Treat people the way you want to be treated.
   Who cares if they like something you dont. you shouldnt.
   My advice would be to mind your own buisness and let people live their own lives and dont make there lives a living hell by calling them names.
   thanks.

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   rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago

   I've thought of writing a book about what preschool kids say at school, what mommy and daddy and grandpa say... but I would have to write it with a pen name.

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   baileywillettposted 13 years ago

   and teaching children sexual education at a young age is actually a good thing. it will help them later on in life. There gonna have to find out sometime. why not tell them?

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    habeeposted 13 years ago

    TM, you can't accuse me of being leftist. I'm a moderate conservative and a Christian. A big part of my Christian upbringing, however, was always about tolerance and acceptance. I don't think kids that young should be taught all the ins and outs (no pun intended) of gay sex, but they should be taught that everyone is different and that just because someone is different, they shouldn't be ridiculed.
    
    As a teacher, I can see the practical benefits of this. Let's say the entire kindergarten class knows that little Johnny has two "daddies." Should the other kids ridicule and make fun of him? He's just a kid, so he has no control over what his "parents" do.

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       TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Not once have I stated anyone should be rediculed, Haybee. Everyone just assumes that. And that would be all the twisting the leftists have done.
       
       And I have not said anyones name, either.
       
       The left knows who they are.
       
       But as a teacher you above others should know the twisting of the education system which has gone on.

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          Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          "The left know who they are..."
          
          Owwwwww Now I'm skeeeeered!
          
          (Or did someone make having a non-wingnut POV a crime?)

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             TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Why would you be scared?...
             
             Is it just an integral part of your psychological make-up?
             
             I see that alot in persons who have been subjected to the Leant leftist indoctribnation. They seem to have these delusions about oppression and oppressors.
             
             They see boogey-men everywhere.
             
             Quite alot of paranoia... it allows for them to be so utterly minipulated by those elitist socialist and comunnist over-lords.
             
             Quite ironic actualy... that they are controled by the very oppressors they see everywhere else.
             
             Makes me wonder...

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    habeeposted 13 years ago

    TM, you have to understand that I taught in the Deep South, where just about everyone is a conservative Republican, including about 85% of the teachers at the school where I taught - a large high school for grades 10-12. As a result, I didn't see much of the "twisting" you're talking about. I'm not saying it doesn't exist in other areas, however.

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    TMMasonposted 13 years ago

    This is what is rediculous, ralph.
    
    And this goes way beyond teaching tolerartion to our children.
    
    http://www.helena.k12.mt.us/images/docu … Health.pdf
    
    "These young children will taught the meaning of terms like nipple, penis, uterus, and scrotum. The next year, first-graders would be taught that homosexual attraction is normal. By the time the students are ten, they would be taught that “sexual intercourse includes but is not limited to vaginal, oral, or anal penetration.”
    
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php … ndergarten

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       Italmeansumthinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Why is this a bad thing? Kids need to be informed about what they are doing at that age nowadays anyway. Why would you try to hide or make up nicknames for each part of the body or for sexuality. it is natural for the real vocabulary and that is what children need to be taught. Why do you think so many adults have problems saying penis or vagina nowadays. Its because we were taught to say wee-wee and VaJJ. They should be comfortable with what is real to prepare them for the decisions they will make.

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    Sab Ohposted 13 years ago

    Maybe parents should decide when their children are ready to learn that sort of thing.

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    SparklingJewelposted 13 years ago

    parental rights should be the number one issue in this...
    
    it is the parents' right and duty to raise and protect their children as they see fit...not schools, churches or governments or the UN
    
    institutions can teach tolerance in general but not specifics that take on the ground of the parents...such as specific religious and sexual morals and especially sexual orientation and sex acts...it is just outrageous
    
    not to mention the developmentally appropriate issues to raise with children...it is harmful to the psyche and actually an assault on their innocence to teach them sexual things. It is because of the mainstream medias and sex in your face societal attitude that we have early sex in kids and teen pregnancies, rape, abuse and general lack of sexual self discipline...this is one more assault on innocence and healthy psychological development
    
    the group of adults advocating this are ignorant, lost and confused themselves

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       kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I really don't buy for a second that today's children are more knowledgeable about sex at a younger age than children in the past.
       
       Bear in mind that until the 1950's most children on the planet grew up on farms, and anyone who grows up surrounded by animals is going to see all sorts of wacky sexual behavior - hetero, homo, and downright deviant. My family had two female dogs when I was a kid and they used to hump each other all the time. (A dominance display, not a lesbian love story, but nevertheless, very sexualized and very in-your-face.) Another time we took in a stray kitten and when she went into heat for the first time, we locked her inside so she wouldn't get pregnant. She spent the whole week presenting to me, my siblings, my parents, the dogs, and our poor long suffering male cat, who'd been fixed for nearly a decade by that point. And that's just two species. Toss in chickens, pigs, rabbits, horses, sheep, goats, cows, and ducks and you've got the makings of a perpetual barnyard orgy.
       
       If anything, I'd say today's children are probably LESS aware of sex and sexual mechanics than most children of the past.

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          SparklingJewelposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          ...not just talking about sex mechanics or knowledge...but the "carnal knowledge"...the attitudes of use of the sex energy and the changed moral codes of society around "alternate" sexuality lifestyles.
          
          sex is most healthy when it consists of personal and private interactions between people, not something to parade in  pride about...that's not how to express true and kind love between people

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             kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             So what are you suggesting, laws against PDA? I don't see any harm in holding hands or a brief kiss in public - hetero or homo - and there already are laws in most towns against public nudity and other indecent acts. If they choose not to enforce them, that's their problem.
             
             As for changed moral codes of society around "alternate" sexuality lifestyles, I think we're much better off now than in a time when people were driven from society, imprisoned, or even executed for private acts done behind closed doors.
             
             There certainly is such a thing as going too far in the opposite direction, but again, that's what public decency laws are for. I don't know where you live, but I haven't seen anyone having sex in public recently.
             
             Entertainment is another matter, of course, but I think it's the responsibility of parents to control what their kids are watching. I have no sympathy whatsoever for all the outraged parents after that incident with Adam Lambert at the AMA, for example. What the heck were they thinking letting their kids stay up until 11 PM on a school night anyway?
             
             Frankly, I find your beliefs puzzling. How can you be so passionate about freedom, personal responsibility, and the Constitution on some issues and so happy to ignore them on others? If you're going to fashion yourself a defender of the Constitution, you can't just pick and choose what parts you're going to defend!

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       Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       "parental rights should be the number one issue in this..."
       
       In my opinion, the child's getting age-appropriate information on human sexuality is the number one issue, not parental rights.

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    maintyuposted 13 years ago

    for me it is healthy but parents should decide first before anything else.

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       Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Many if not most parents aren't very good about giving sex education to their children. By the time they get around to it the kids have already learned more about it than their parents are willing to impart. I don't recall either of my parents ever mentioning the subject. When I was about 12 and quite knowledgeable about sex, albeit inexperienced, they bought me a book entitled "A Boy Grows Up" from which I learned very little that was new to me.

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    Jim Hunterposted 13 years ago

    This wouldn't be a bad idea if they were successful at teaching the basics.
    
    But as it is teachers can't seem to handle reading, writing and arithmetic.

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