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   Beelzedadposted 13 years ago

   I was reading some interesting answers and arguments in regards to why there is an Old Testament and New Testament Bible. Most were not in agreement with each other.
   
   What's your take on this?

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      Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      The New testament was put together by the Church that the Roman Empire built.....   Need I say more?????

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         Judah's Daughterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Jerami, I'm shocked!

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            wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Why?  Who did you think constructed the NT?  It wasn't the atheists of the time, nor the pagans, either.  It wasn't the jews or the muslims and it certainly wasn't some Australian aborigine.

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               brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               they didn't put it together, as such, recieved texts, are just that recieved from the apostles which is a really good source, but in 1611 they sure had a time of tweaking it to conform to their already established doctrines.

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         Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         If I were to look through  ALL  of the written text that were avaliable to choose from when the canon was established (326AD)
         
            It would be necessary and natural for me to say that my choice of writtings that I included in the canon  WAS INSPIRED  of God.
         
            This is my deligma !!   
         
            You might say that I have blind faith in the existance of God.
         
           I do not have blind faith in the MEN that established the Church in Rome.
          
            When the disciples said that all scripture was inspired of God, they were talking about the scriptures that were avaliable at that time.. 
           They were not giving credability to a collection of writting that did not exist as yet! 
         
            These; we must use discernment.

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            Judah's Daughterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Who wrote the books of the New Testament?  Not the Romans.

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               Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               To be honest I am not 100% sure of who wrote the books in the New Testament.
               
                  I do believe that they were written by those that is it said to have been.
               
                  I have read that there was MUCH heated debate as to which books would be included and which would not.  And that those that were not included was to be destroyed. Not only those books but also those people that kept faith in them. Cencership to the extreem.
               
                  I believe that the books that were included into the canon are more than likely, at least 98% accurate as origionally written by the authors. 
                  I may be mistaken ...  But it is my belief that Matthew, Mark, Luke etc did not write a book. They wrote letters of corrispondence to each other and others.  These were later gathered and assembled into book form. 
                  The manner in which these letters were assembled allows a bit of leeway as to the direction in which the theology would proceed.
               
               Just my thoughts.

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                  Judah's Daughterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Luke, of course, was not one of the disciples and we don't know who wrote the book of Hebrews.  I am frustrated that some books were removed from the canon, and also frustrated that the Aprocrypha were added to the canon.  As I've said before, if people only read John 3:16 and Eph 2:8-9 they would know what it means to be saved.  On the other hand, I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater either.  What we do have does not contradict itself, which I think was the intent of the Councils?  Just my thoughts.

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                     Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     I wouldn't throw the baby out with the water either. 
                     
                        I also agree that there are just a few basic beliefs that are required.  John 3:16 is a great place to start.
                      
                     
                     And love your neighbor AS thy self.  Cause if we Honestly do this we have truly kept them all.

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               Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               No one knows for sure who wrote the New testament, nor the old.  Much, if not all is hearsay. This is why the gospels are listed as "The Gospels "according to..."  So just pick the parts you like out of these books as none are any more certifiable than the others.  Sad, but true!

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               Dave Barnettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Some Romans may have. Can't really exclude them. I think scribes were gen slaves, but some may have been citizens. Paul was a Roman. A minister told me that if something is mentioned three times, it's good. BS some things are only mentioned once. Good enough for me.

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                  Judah's Daughterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Paul was a Roman citizen, but was from the Jewish tribe of Benjamin (Romans 11:1 - any coincidence this letter was written to the Roman Jews?).  Just as 'Roman Catholics' are not Jews by root, Paul was not a 'Roman' by root.  Rome was infiltrated with all kinds of pagan gods, so it must not be assumed that the New Testament, the majority written by the Apostle Paul, was of pagan origin.  In Jewish 'law', there must be two to testify to something to make it truth, when it comes to witnessing.  This is also the way it is in American courts ~ whether it be marriage or a criminal case, etc.

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                     Dave Barnettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     That is the reason for the construct of Spiritual man: Father, Son, Holy Spirit, This is not trad. Christian dogma, this is my beleif, take it or leave it. The image in which we were created is our witness within. "We three in one agree"

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                        Judah's Daughterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        I don't believe God is three, but is One; so, I tend to have more of a 'Jewish' understanding of God (that Jesus is God and the Spirit of God is the Spirit of Christ), rather than what is traditionally taught by Gentile-based doctrine.  I do believe we are made in God's image and that we are still a singular individual when it's all said and done.

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                     brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this

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      Judah's Daughterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      One was before Christ (Old Covenant) and one was during and after Christ (New Covenant).

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      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friends
      
      The basic source of the OT and NT is the Creator-God Allah YHWH; it is supposed to be Word of Revelation from Him; in this sense there should not be any difference in the teachings of them both. The difference is due to misunderstanding them or due to human manipulation of them.
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   luvpassionposted 13 years ago

   In her book, The Josephus Solution, Research author Amy Smith discusses the idea's that led Josephus to believe Moses wrote most of the Torah, Egyptian educated and what his name was in Egyptian.
   
   The new Testament was originally written in Koine Greek, the books and letters, inspired by God. The opinions and hypotheses of scholars vary widely on the point.

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      Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Josephus is an accredited historian. 
      
         Life around Jerusalem as he described would be considered by anyones standards to have been very troubleous times said by some to be a great tribulation upon all Hebrews.

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         Dave Barnettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Some believe Josephus to have been an opportunistic liar. Specifically about Masada, or a similar experience that Josephus himself was centrally involved in. Myself? Can't really say, having not been there at the time, my bus was late, but if Masada didn't go down the way he said, then why did the Roman's build that massive, time consuming ramp. There are also the Gnostic texts, the Nag-Hamadi library, and other obscure texts which were removed by the Papacy. The original Greek texts disagree on key points with the King James Standard, not knowing Greek I would like to pursue that ave.

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            Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            That is the problem with history as written.
            There is always someone that believes this and don't believe that?
            
               When it gets down to it, everybodys  goina believe what they want to.

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               Dave Barnettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               History is written by he who wins

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            luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            When the textual critic looks more closely at his oldest manuscript material, the intense variations in resources is more fully realised.
            
            One of the major text used in the KJV was theTextus Receptus. It must be noted that along the way in the transmission there have been several changes.  Some were unintentional and some were intentional.
            
            Although many scholars agree that the Testament consists of many scraps of papyrus or parchment, many considered in such great shape for there age, because they were unused or disregarded.
            
            The Greek text edited by Robert Stephanus
            The Greek text edited by Theodore Beza

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               Dave Barnettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Thank you muchly!

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