American muscle or European superiority?

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   Wadey101mposted 15 years ago

   American products always seem to be bigger and better than what us Europeans can do, except when it comes to the car/automobile. Every car that America can produce, the Europeans always seem to do better. Is there any American car out there that cannot be beaten by something European bred?

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      WHoArtNowposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I don;t know what part of Europe you come from, but Us British can hold our own against the USA!
      
      And your also missing out on the technology and reliability kings, the Japs.
      
      But when it comes to cars, I would say there is only one type of vehicle that the Yanks make way way way better than the Europeans. Pick up trucks...

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         JYOTI KOTHARIposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Tata, India is going to launch a small car "Nano" on 23rd March. It will be the cheapest car in the world, cost only $2000 !!!
         In this particular time of world wide recession / slowdown is not cheapest the best?
         
         Jyoti Kothari

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            BristolBoyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Well normally but I believe the Nano comes with many things which come as standard in new cars sold in Europe now.  Also I have heard that they will not meet the current EU legislation on safety for cars.

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         Wadey101mposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Britain use to be able to, but we can no longer count ourselves as a worthy competitor as we don't own any major car companies so the credit lies else where.
         
         The Japanese are in a league of their own, and I thought it was a little unfair including them in the comparison. Must hand it to them, they sure know how to produce reliable cars.

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         Junksterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Yeah I'd go with Japanese or German cars personally, nothing "english" is english anymore, all owned by foreign companies and the only thing british is the badge on the front of the car.
         
         American cars sure do suck though, there's a few standouts like the Mustang GT or the Shelby GT500 but there's so many random cack models, mostly "SUVs"
         
         Can't beat the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8, I love that car, or the R34 Skyline GTR.  Beasts

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      Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Care to give a few examples of these "products"?
      
      Bigger doesn't necessarily mean better either.

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         BDazzlerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Single Barrel Jack
         
         Caterpillar D10 Bull Dozer
         
         (I don't recommend mixing the two, though)

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            WHoArtNowposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Errr, Jack is out done by every single Scottish Whiskey, and some Irish ones too!

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               Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Beg to differ. Single Barrel Jack Daniels is the finest sippin' whiskey on the planet. and completely different to scotch or irish whisky.
               
               Gentleman Jack is pretty damn fine too...

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                  Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  I have had single barrel Jack - very nice, but still prefer a Scottish single malt. Was lucky enough to sample a 40 year old malt once - Happy Days
                  
                  As for pick-ups - the Taliban approved indestructible Toyota.

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                     WHoArtNowposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     So do Top Gear, they got hold of an hold Hilux and totally destroyed it, still managed to get it running. They even put it on top of a building, for when the building was brought down (blown up!) and they STILL got it working.
                     
                     I use to have one. Totally rock solid, very very hard to write off.
                     
                     Well, unless you get hit up the arse by a sleeping 44 tonne artic (big rig).
                     
                     Ouch, my back still spasms thinking about it.
                     
                     Andre

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                        Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        I saw that Top Gear - we get it over here! They are an awesome piece of engineering, but it looks like it met its match with the truck!

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                           Wadey101mposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           I agree, with pick ups, the Hilux owns. Was only one example though, knowing my luck if I had one and did that, it wouldn't work! :-)

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                     BDazzlerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     One of my best friends is a fan of single malt Scotch, I bought him some 15 year old single malt to toast his daughter's future at her wedding ... it wasn't bad, but I still prefer Gentleman Jack or Single Barrel.

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               BDazzlerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Aren't the barrels used to make Scotch just left overs from the Jack Daniels distillery?

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   WeddingConsultantposted 15 years ago

   The answer to your question (American muscle or European superiority) is Asian invasion, my friend.
   
   IMHO:
   Asian cars= reliable
   European cars= fancy
   US cars= crap, except for pickup trucks
   
   I know that's a serious over generalization, but that's the shortened version.

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   Mark Knowlesposted 15 years ago

   Well, I would take  Toyota pickup over just about any US one - unless I wanted to haul ten million tons or whatever it is the Ford F-950 can pull
   
   Dazzler - I concede on the Single Barrel.

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   WeddingConsultantposted 15 years ago

   Eh, you might be right. As you can tell I don't think too highly of US vehicles in general. Had only one, hated it, won't buy one again. Now we've got just Japanese (Mazda, Nissan and Yamaha motorcycle)...
   
   And yes, the F250, 350, 450s are quite excessive, esp. when thinking of fuel economy. I've been considering purchasing a pickup truck recently (that is, after the depression is over), and if I did get one, it would be a small one. Maybe the Nissan Frontier (a little big though), Mazda B series truck or the Toyota Tacoma.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Toyota Tacoma any day. Although - I would think the depression will be a great time to buy - eventually they are going to have to discount the crap out of new cars.
      
      If you have cash anyway. Seeing as they just started printing money, you might as well spend it before it is worthless.

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   Marisa Wrightposted 15 years ago

   Well, I would argue that with the planet in its current dire straits, there is no place for "muscle" in cars. Very few people really need a high-powered car except to bolster their ego or soothe their mid-life crisis.

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   Lisa HWposted 15 years ago

   Someone sent me this about the Buick LaCross and Lexus a couple of days ago.  I thought it was kind of interesting:
   
   http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article. … tid=435214

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   Lisa HWposted 15 years ago

   Someone sent me this about the Buick LaCross and Lexus a couple of days ago.  I thought it was kind of interesting:
   
   http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article. … tid=435214

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   Lisa HWposted 15 years ago

   Oops - I just tried to include a link to an article about an America car, but I think there was a problem because it was seen as "advertising".  That wasn't my intention.  (And now I don't know how to delete any previous efforts that I'm not sure about, as far as as whether they'll end up posted or not.)

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   crazyeye73posted 15 years ago

   Well lets think about it! American muscle is just that muscle. Compare a naturaly aspirated 500 horsepower American Ford to a SUPERCHARGED and TWIN TURBO jap trap or European Sedan, either Mercedes or BMW your chossing. I have had all kinds of cars from VW Bugs, Rabbits, Golfs, Mercedes 190s, BMW 325s, Chevrolet Camaros, Ford Mustangs and the list goes on and on. There is no comparsion between the 60s Muscle cars of America and the junk that everybody else is producing. Just compare todays SRT-8, Shelby Mustang, and other American Muscle cars to what the competition is building, its mind numbing, no comparsion. American Muscle will always be the front runner in my book. Then again this is just my opinion, yours may differ but I stand my ground American Muscle Rules!!

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    deanstar888posted 15 years ago

    HEY...what about our little ol Aussie Cars ? I regularly thrash the backside off Audis, Beemers, Mercs and the odd Sports Car. Chryslers don't even figure in the equation...check out our version of the Ford GT. Since its inseption in 1967 as the fastest 4 door car on the planet it has evolved somewhat and may not be everyones cup of tea but I love my baby to bits...she's one year old in a couple of weeks!

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       Junksterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Fair point, you guys did have the Vauxhall Monaro (holden) first, and that is one sexy machine.  MY dad works at Vauxhall and it's the first car he's liked that they actually make!

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