Now the government uses terrorist laws against its own citizens.

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   Reality Bytesposted 12 years ago

   Sovereign citizens are a loosely organized group of people who claim they are not subject to government laws...........from the link
   
   
   
   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/1 … lnk2|64172
   
   
   
   
   I have been a Freeman On The Land for many years, I do not condone violence in any way.  Yet the govt places labels on people such as if you disagree with the force and fear used to control people by the Corporation of the United States then the person must be a criminal.
   
   BullS*T,  Laying down for authority without question is unamerican and a prelude to the ultimate tyranny.  It will also permit more violence to be done to hard working Americans.
   
   I am a free human being and NOTHING can be done to me without my consent.  I am in open nonviolent rebellion against the corporation which calls itself the United States Federal Government.
   
   I do not wish, want, nor support violence in any form yet Public Servants use force, fear, intimidation and violence to force us to comply with their unconstitutional, immoral and unjustified laws.
   
   I am a Sovereign citizen!!!!  The government works for us!!!  The government has power only by the CONSENT of the people.  We The People are the ultimate authority in this nation and we will not allow that power to be usurped by global financiers with the intent to destroy our country.
   
   Do no harm to another human being, do no damage or theft of another human beings property and be truthful and ethical in contracts.  These are the laws, the rest of statutory laws and codes are initiated to control the corporate entity strawman that is owned by the government and was created by the same.
   
   We are all individual human beings with the inalienable right to Life, Liberty, and the Freedom to pursue individual happiness.  These rights are ours when we are created.  They are not privileges given to us by the government. Nor can they be taken away!
   
   I appreciate the HP platform to allow me to rant and thanks to all of you that take the time to read my post! 

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      Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Really? Think back in history. When were those "rights" yours before a government, of people, told you they were yours and wrote a law protecting them? If the government broke down, do you think you still have those rights? If you were born in China, do you have those rights? No...the US govt told you that you had them, and wrote a law to protect them...that is why you have them. You are a Freeman? A sovereign entity huh? You don't have to abide by any laws that you don't want to, is that right? Good luck trying to make that happen at tax time buddy. It is a social contract...you do your part, you get X, X being your "freedom."

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         Doug Hughesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         TANSTAFL - courtesy of Robert A. Heinlein it's an acronym for "There aint no such thing as a free lunch."
         
         The freeman movement think they are entitled to one, demanding rights enforced by governments they don't want to recognize or support.
         
         You can't have it both ways.  Either you are in the system, in which case you pay your taxes and obey the laws or you are a renegade - outside the system and NOT entitled to invoke protections from the government you renounce.

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         MOEFLATSposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         We have inalienable human rights whether we are born in the US, China or a totally f***ed country which claims it's still the United States.  We are now run by a techno-fascist police state which tortures it's own citizens with non-lethal weapons.  These days, freedom is breaking these insipid unspoken rules and learning how to:  block, deal with and even convert the energy being used against you.  I've discovered a way to invite it and then channel it.  For ways to outfox this "Kingdom of Fear", just check out the search words:  "gangstalking", "electronic harassment", "brainwashing on HubPages for 7 years of hard-earned knowledge fighting this menace.  Rights are not what your government gives you, they are something you must always FIGHT for!
               In this case: learn to protect yourself from the invisible menace of Electronic Harassment.  When enough of us learn that we don't have to take this S**T, then we can start helping other innocent victims of this Modern-Day-Inquisition.  It's going to take a long time, because so many are so thoroughly brainwashed that they don't even know who they are anymore..........but you have to start somewhere!

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         Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         No government ever wrote down your writes! What are you smoking? The first identified rights were initially written down by people like Locke.
         
         Governments TOOK AWAY the natural rights of individuals - people lived happily doing what they wished with one another... and then BAM! The police come in and claim you owe them money.
         
         Also, your claim that "the US Government told you that you had [the rights]" is nonsense. 1) The US government didn't exist when the rights were written down by people like Thomas Paine and Jefferson, 2) All of these people's writings came from earlier work from individuals, 3) the people in question didn't have any government positions at the time they wrote them.
         
         Sorry -government's don't give rights, they can only take them away.

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            MOEFLATSposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Well, it's not clear exactly what your message is.  Are you saying that the government is the enemy of individual rights?  If so, you'd be right in the case of the US government today.  One thing I WILL agree on is that freedom is a concept which is priceless mental property.
                   Means now exist to actually try and take that concept from each individual's mind through high-tech mental manipulation.  The battlefield is no longer a physical one, it is what you are free to THINK that should be on everyone's mind.   If you can THINK what you want, then you can pursue making this concept real in what you say and do. 
                 The government clearly has allowed an organization to attempt to make me feel as though I am not free, but they have been un-succesfull.  I have kicked sand in their face just by continuing to do things which are legal yet fly in the face of new "unwritten, unspoken rules".  Don't try this until you've typed in the searchwords: "gangstalking" and "electronic harassment" on HubPages to find out how to escape the electronic means being used to:  "punish", assault, erase and even destroy people psychologically.   Until you learn how to protect yourself, just play it safe.  Until you have learned to find the right "frequency", your mind is in a "prison" which you cannot see.

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      mdshahalam03posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Hmm it is.

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      Donna Suthardposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I totally agree with you. We the people should be allowed to vote on, important issues, as to whats best for our country. Its supposed to be for the people, and by the people!!

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   Reality Bytesposted 12 years ago

   Should we just accept Government orders without question?
   
   Who controls the United States, the People or the Government?

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      Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It depends on who puts in the effort. If the people are ignorant, lazy, and don't want to vote...to learn that the soundbytes aren't real...then the government controls the government. The longer you listen to Beck and his ilk, the longer the corporations control the government.

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         Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         But people are waking up, I am in contact with Freemen in the UK, Canada and Australia.

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   Cagsilposted 12 years ago

   Presently, the government controls it's people. The appearance that the people have power is just that an appearance. It's been that way for decades, if not a couple of centuries now.

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      HattieMattieMaeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I hear you Reality! I read the article, and no others like you. They are making it look like they are violent instilling fear in the other people, to make it look like you are hateful people, but more like loving and harmless people that do not choose to control other people, or take other peoples freedoms away! Thanks for the article!

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         Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Yes the propaganda is to get people to fear Sovereign Citizens because we are the biggest threat to their power monopoly!
         
         Without our CONSENT the government has absolutely no power!

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            Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Sovereign Citizens are scumbags who think they can enjoy the benefits of living in this country, without contributing and living up to the responsibilities of living in the society. They are freeloaders in the sense that they ignore the responsibilities that come with their freedoms. YOU don't get to tell the government that you CONSENT if you feel it has no authority. You can't be sovereign and still think you get a say. The logic is juvenile

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               Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               By the way, you can call yourself Superman just as easily as you can call yourself sovereign. It means just as much. Go try and fly little boy

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                  MOEFLATSposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Fortunately for me, I've discovered how to "poke the invisible bear" and get away with it.  I'm simply doing average, ordinary things that break no written Law.  There are now all these un-spoken rules that aren't Laws at all.  If you don't obey them, you get Electronically-harassed.  Well, I break them for fun and enjoy the ensuing battle.  I'm flying "above the rain" as I speak.  In this world, it's what you BELIEVE that counts.  I believe that I don't have to take this s**t and guess what?  I Don't.

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               Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               You are purposely being ignored.
               
               In FACT I do not like you at all!!!!!!!

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                  Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  You can't debate me. I own you. Go cry to mommy

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      Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That is why the Freeman on the Land philosophy has grown exponentially since the passing of the Patriot Acts.
      
      We will unite eventually and take the power back.  It is time that the people's servants learn to respect their masters (The People!)

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         dutchman1951posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         They fear Freemen because if the ideals we have catch on, then the goverment faces the possibility that a good 80-85% of the country will strike the Goverment, and thus the power hungry political structure will not have the power any more and without that,  they, not the rest of us will starve.
         
         They can not sustain themselves and they hate the idea of loosing power over people. Owning things that we supposidly need. They create false need.
         
         The facts are, that free people do not threaten a moral goverment, they enhance it.
         
         Now an imoral Goverment?  One like our congress and senate have to rely on indentured servitude of people- tightly held to pay taxes and fees and be forced to use their services, so Those in charge can become richer, and hold absolute control.
         
         
         so now, they call it terrorism and go after those folks, because the power base can not afford to loose control of it's people.  Without Free people, we would be communist or socialist in a NY second if those in charge had even half the chance.
         
         True Free Women and Men are an enemy to this Goverment. Becuase we do not willingly submitt to there servatude demands.

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            Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Real tough huh? Did you pay sales tax or income tax? Yeah...you are really tough. Grrr all you want and play in fantasyland with the rest of the children.

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            Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I think the fundamental issue of Freemen is this:
            
            Who owns your living, breathing, human body?

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               Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Think back into history. Until the founding fathers outlined your rights as a human, defined what freedom was in the context of a society, it didn't exist. Were people free under the Greek democracy? Not even close. Was Jesus free? Not by any means. Now, you can claim that you have the rights to do whatever you want, but you don't. Period. If you want to force the issue...try it and see what happens. Reality is tough for you to deal with, I know.

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               Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I do find it hilarious that the person who is so against abortion now wants to ask who owns their own body. How ironic and hilarious. You are full of it.

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                  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I am not anti-abortion?  I am for the rights of the individual, you must have me confused with someone else.

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               Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               You are children playing in a sandbox talking about building a fort in the backyard. That's all

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                  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  No, we are standing up for ourselves!  I think you should look more into the FOTL movement.
                  
                  As for the bonds and A4v, I do not believe these things are possible, although I write about them, I have never advised anyone to perform these actions.
                  
                  Also, there are many con-artists selling packages that taint the entire movement.

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                     Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Dude, standing up for yourself in this context is like trying to prove you can fly by jumping off of your parent's house with a bed sheet on your back. It is childish, because you aren't thinking. You are children playing in the fort in the backyard.
                     Look into history...whether you like it or not, unless you go somewhere the land is free and not owned, not governed, then you aren't able to declare your own rights or sovereignty. Was it God who told you that you deserve your own land to do whatever you want with? Live however you want? No...Jesus was born in Bethlehem because his folks were traveling back to Jerusalem due to a legally mandated census. Jesus was crucified by the governing body of the land, handed in by the local governing body of the land. "Give unto Cesar what is Cesars'". Remember that one?
                     It sucks, but it is reality. I'd love to have land to do whatever in the heck I want to, with no consequences, and as crazy as I want. I don't really know what I would do that I am not doing now, but hey...why not? Sounds fun. BUT, take into consideration reality. There are other people in the world, and they might want what you have. You have nobody protecting you on your sovereign land other than you. Think you are a tough guy? Think you are tough enough to stop an army who wants you stuff? What are you going to do? Tell them you are a freeman while they rape your family and steal your stuff before they kill you? Give them a wikipedia article to the Magna Carta? Get serious!
                     You live in a country that was built FOR you by OTHER people, man. The roads you drive were paid for by OTHER PEOPLE. You didn't work your land for hundreds of years making it fertile so you could eat. Other people did that for you. You were military right? Were you the only guy there? Who do you think you are that you can take SO MUCH and yet claim you don't have to abide by the laws who at their heart in most cases, were designed to construct a society in which we can live peacefully and yet get as much liberty as we can.
                     What in the world do you not get to do that you want to? NOTHING. What you want is not to HAVE TO DO the things the rest of us do, that you benefit from. You are, at your very heart, the largest welfare case we have in the country, you and all of your freemen. If you don't want to live my country, I know a place where you can actually do whatever you want and never have to pay anything...the Amazon. Bring bug spray.

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   lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

   What is wrong with you people??
   
   How are you not free?
   
   Cause you have to pay taxes? Boo Hoo.
   
   Jezzzus, you get your guns, the top 2% of you pay nothing to live here, you get all these beautiful bennies while your fellow citizens struggle just to make ends meet.....BECAUSE of the greed-balls who think of nothing but the profit they make for themselves!
   
   Free men my azz---YOU want to be the ones telling everybody ELSE what to do!--by the barrell of your guns.
   
   Please--I'll take the gvt over you any day.....until another group of neocons takes over again...then I'm with you.
   Oh--but then you'll be gone huh? Then the gvt wil be just fine with you.

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      Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      AMEN! They are grown people playing house like children, pretending. Imagine them putting on the bed sheet as a cape and jumping off the roof. That is the analogy for these cats.

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         lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         That's a funny visual!

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   lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

   There have been ongoing domestic terror organizations targeting people forever. I'm glad the gvt is keeping an eye on them.

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      Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I would never want another human being to fear me, nor do I have any plans on creating terror in any form!  Violence never solves any problem, it simply creates more problems.
      
      I am not a terrorist, questioning authority and reminding the People that Government workers are by definition SERVANTS to the People does not make me a terrorist!
      
      Do you think that people in Libya have terror in their hearts when they hear a NATO cruise missle flying overhead.  Now that is terrorism!!!!

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         lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         So is being targeted by Operation Rescue and the KKK.

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            Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I do not know operation rescue but I agree that the KKK is a terrorist organization.

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               lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Thank you for that.
               
               ****
               "High school sophomore Amy Myers,challenged Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) to a public debate on the basic facts of the U.S. Constitution. Unfortunately, it seems some Bachmann fans haven’t taken Myers’ challenge kindly and are now threatening the teenage girl with violence:
               
               After it started getting media attention last weekend, commenters on tea party websites have threatened to publish her home address and some have threatened violence.
               
               The 16-year-old from Cherry Hill says several commenters have called her a “whore.”
               
               Her father, Wayne, says he’s concerned for his daughter’s safety.
               
               The Cherry Hill Courier Press reports that others “threatened violence, including rape” and that “several commenters threatened to publish the Myers’ home address.” Amy’s school has reportedly also received “threatening mail.” The newspaper had planned to do a video interview with the girl, who is running for a student government position, but “a somewhat panicked-sounding Wayne Myers phoned to cancel, citing the alleged threats.” “They’re targeting me just because I’m challenging Bachmann,” Amy said."
               
               ****
               These are the tactics of Operation Rescue.

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         Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Hmmm...like the Iraqis you mean?

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   lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

   Join these people, and you'll have some credibility!
   
   "This public demonstration to assert the principle that credibly accused war criminal George W. Bush is not welcome in Canada and should be arrested on arrival in the country next October 20th. This action in Surrey represents an extension of the activism culminating in a protest in March of 2009 in Calgary, Alberta while George W. Bush addressed an oil-patch audience in the commercial capital of Texas North. In organizing for the protest in 2009, Hall authored a widely-disseminated essay explaining why George Bush should be arrested in Calgary and charged with committing a host of international crimes including torture. When law enforcement officers in Canada refused to do their job in 2009 by arresting Bush not only for the violation of many international laws, conventions and treaties but also for violating Canada’s own Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Act (2000), Splitting the Sky attempted a citizens arrest for which he was tried and convicted of obstructing a police officer.
   
   We hope that by next autumn the international coalition that began to coalesce around our Arrest Bush initiative in Alberta will deepen and expand, building upon the important help rendered by Cynthia McKinney and Ramsay Clark. President Barack Obama can expect similar treatment from citizens of all countries who are no longer willing to tolerate the organized criminality that, more than ever before, has become the stock in trade of the US Executive Branch."
   
   ****
   
   My guess is the "Free Men" will be all for getting Obama, but will give W Bush and his criminal regime a pass.

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      uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The accusation that GWb is a war criminal fascinates me even more now that your man Barry sent warriors into a sovereign nation in the middle of the night to assassinate a person in that country.  Isn't that a war crime?  What would we do if the same was done to other "war criminals" like Bill Clinton - remember the cruise missile attacks?  Or maybe Tony Blair?  Wouldn't that be an act of war?  Isn't the attack on Libya an act of war with out cause?  Isn't Barry a war criminal like GWB?  How many innocent people in Libya have been slaughtered by American bombs?  Barry has innocent blood on his hands.

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         lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         What'd I tell you!!!!
         
         Forget Bush--get Obama!!

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         Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         How hilarious! One directly admits to violating the Geneva Convention, and the other assassinates the culprit of 9/11, and you blame the guy who actually went after Osama. I suppose you think Iraq was totally justified too. Classic.

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            uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Who violated the Geneva conventions?  Barry?

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               Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               George...you wouldn't have to ask if you weren't too uninterested in actually what happened to look it up. Instead, you throw out your childish names and ignore it all. The disconnect between our political ideals isn't about issues, it is more fundamental. You people are children in grown bodies, and my side uses their brains.

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                  uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  What violation of Geneva conventions?  Do you mean the failure to summarily execute unlawful combatants on the battlefield?  I do find that objectionable with the sole exception Khalid Sheik Muhammed whose interrogation eventually led to Barry's hiding behind Leon Panetta's giving the shoot order.
                  
                  What childish names?

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         Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I love how Republicans defend Ghaddafi and Mubarak. The veil of evil hearts isn't as think as you think it is.

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            uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            You won't read a defense of Mubarak or Gaddafi in anything I have written here.

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               Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Super, but you support the people who did.

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   cheaptrickposted 12 years ago

   The pressure cooker is at it's peak and the clock approaches zero hour...what will the next step be?You can bet the government foresees it and is quickly making preparation....We're approaching the inevitable bloodshed of purification Jefferson spoke so eloquently of.Which side do you choose?

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      lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Well, if it truly is purification, than the evil has got to go.
      
      It's not really a side, it's getting yourself right with---your creator, your conscience, your heart....yourself.
      
      I do not feel pressure, I feel calm.
      I will be glad to see this horror go.
      
      amen, and pass the peas!

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      Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I will choose the People every time!

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   hottopicsposted 12 years ago

   Chris,
   
   Bush could not have been arrested under Canada’s own Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Act (2000), just for the record, the las was not 2000, it was August 2001. Here is a small section of the law that I read in its entirty.
   
   
   "(a) that is in force and to which Canada is a party; or
   (b) that is in force and the provisions of which Canada has agreed to accept and apply in an armed conflict in which it is involved".
   "International Criminal Court" « Cour pénale internationale »
   
   Please note this law is directer for the military and all Canadian citizens and poloticians. It spells out what they are to follow whether the conflict is on their soil or outside of Canada. Canada law governing Canadians, Not United States. This law does not apply to anyone outside of Canada

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      lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      He has committed crimes against humanity.
      That means any human has the right to arrest him.
      
      I realize it's not him--but I am pretty DAM sure it's his father, and that sneering career pol Cheney.
      
      Probly no more than a few that are really really horrid--and I know that Bush jr was born into it; oldest son (?), had a sister that died...
      
      But he could get himself out of it if he came clean!
      
      I don't really get the "evil vibe" from him. But he sure knows all about what's going on.
      
      One of them is going to have to "rat"....and soon.
      
      THAT'S the apocalyptic moment, IMO.

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         MOEFLATSposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         You said it, bro!  One way or another, an organization which is robbing people of their right to think for themselves will soon be revealed.  All the REAL awful crap came while Bush was in office, but the plans for this type of "rule by techno-fascism" clearly had been planned before him.  If you ever experience:  ringing in the ears, shocks to the body, disturbing thoughts - look up the search words:  "Electronic Harassment",  "gangstalking" and "brainwashing" right here on HubPages. 
              Who is REALLY running things is not a visible entity, but there are ways to fight it and even USE it to allow yourself to have individual freedom the likes of which hasn't been felt for the last 2 decades!

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            lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            "shocks to the body"
            
            I get this a lot while I'm sleeping!!

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               MOEFLATSposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Check out HubPages under the search words:  "Electronic Harassment", "Gangstalking", "Brainwashing" and you'll find exactly what you need to do to protect yourself from the whole spectrum of electronic harassment!

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   Reality Bytesposted 12 years ago

   This is the year where hope fails you
   The test subjects runs the experiment
   And the b*st*rd you know, is the hero you hate
   But cohesing is possible if we try
   Theres no reason, theres no lesson
   No time like the present, Tell me right now
   What have you got to lose, what have you got to lose
   Except your soul... who's with us?!
   
   I fight for the unconventional
   My right, and its unconditional
   I can only, be as real as I can
   The disadvantage is
   I never knew the plan
   This isn't just a way to be a martyr
   I can't, walk alone any longer
   I fight, for the ones who can't fight
   And if I lose, at least I tried
   
   I won't-be the inconsequential
   I won't-be the wasted potential
   I can make it-as severe as I can
   Until you realize
   You'll never take a stand
   It isn't, just a one-sided version
   We've dealt, with a manic subversion
   I won't, let the truth be perverted
   And I won't leave another victim deserted
   
   Do you understand? (yes)
   
   Say it again say it again (we won't die)
   
   We fight until no one can fight us
   We live, and no one can stop us
   We pull when we're pushed too far
   
   The bottom line is
   We never, had to fight in the first place
   We only, had to spit back at their face
   We won't, walk alone any longer
   What doesn't kill us only makes us stronger
   
   We-we are the new diabolic
   We-we are the bitter bucolic
   If I have to give my life you can have it
   We-we are the pulse of the maggots
   
   
   SLIPKNOT

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    ForkArtJunkieposted 12 years ago

    If they don't want to be US citizens, simple enough. They can 1. Go to a foreign country/2. Find an American embassy/3. Fill out paperwork to renounce their US citizenship.     
    
    They probably don't do that because they know the US would probably never let them back in.

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    Moderndayslaveposted 12 years ago

    Unfortunately this is why we now have so many terrorism laws:
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05/21 … -21-10-16/

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    recommend1posted 12 years ago

    Damn!  another plonker thread with right wing muppets waving their gun/penis around and thinking they are important - at least I get a laugh out of it

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       Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks for your enlightening input.

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    Reality Bytesposted 12 years ago

    Nobody in the Freeman movement that I know of has anything but love and respect for the United States of America.  It is the corporate usurpers at the federal level that needs to be leashed and muzzled.
    
    The People are the HIGHEST AUTHORITY in this nation period!
    
    Do I hear the sheeple all bleeting in unison?  Baaahhhh!  Baahhhh!

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       Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Sheeple? How hilarious! The very people claiming the US has been usurped by corporate powers are the ones who defend the Tea Party movement who wants even more corporate control and elimination of constraints. Dude, you define irony.

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          Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Dude i am not a teaparty supporter, although you think you know my thoughts, you do not!

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             DannyMaioposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             He thinks he knows all and is above everyone else! All he does is try to be all knowing and insult people that are older than he is. He is just another bleeding heart socialist that believes what he hears on NPR and Huffington Post. Ignore him.

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                Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Danny, would you like to debate to prove your worth? OR, would you like to by a kid and point the finger. Odd, neither of you discussed the points made...though, you rarely do. I insult you because your belief system insults my country. Want to be a big man and fight about it? Great...put down the points, the research, and facts and resources...put it on the table, and let the people decide who knows what. I don't know more than everyone, but I put in 3-5 hours daily, and 4-10 each day on the weekends, and have for years. I was on both sides, and involved in campaigns and the grass roots in each. You can be old and ignorant....obviously. Put it up big boy and I'll break down your ideology to the heart of your feelings, the belief window by which you view the world, your own personal bias...and prove that the facts and issues mean nothing to you in the end. How do I know this? Because you are a Republican. Yes, that means you are wrong by definition.

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    Reality Bytesposted 12 years ago

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta
    
    
    
    
    
    The 1215 Charter required King John of England to proclaim certain liberties, and accept that his will was not arbitrary, for example by explicitly accepting that no "freeman" (in the sense of non-serf) could be punished except through the law of the land, a right which is still in existence today.

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       Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       That is very....useless RB. We don't abide by a document created in 1215 by a English King. We created our own country directly to distance from that very idea, AND it again proves the point that your concept of "freemen" is only granted upon acknowledgement from the government by which you live. That is reality. Additionally, the Magna Carta only applied to land barons, WHO STILL OWNED SLAVES! How ignorant can you possible get? Good LORD! I wouldn't trust you to walk my dog. The lack of basic logic is astounding dude.

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    Reality Bytesposted 12 years ago

    Texas, I love my Country. I do not break any laws,  I also do not have to abide by contracts in which I have not entered willingly.
    
    I do not accept Federal Reserve notes for payment.  I work for food and shelter (cleaning the pool this week).  Any public land is mine and it is also yours.
    I do not carry an ID, I do not have a slave(SS#) number, I do not maintain a prison cell (address). I do not register my property with anyone,I do not have a license, I do not have a car. How this could be construed as terrorist acts is beyond me.
    
    
    I accept NOTHING from the Federal Government.  I support my city government, I even support my State government. Government at the Federal level is out of control and has been usurped by foreiegn interests.  That is my problem.
    
    This is why I think you are confused, FOTL is not a movement it is a philosophy.  BTW I also do not want to recruit anyone into my lifestyle.
    
    It is YOUR life to live as you wish, I choose to be Free!

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       Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       If you don't use a thing, don't use the roads, don't drink the water from the tap and only drink rain water, whatever...so what. That sounds fine to me. Who cares as long as you don't break the law. You don't accept money so you don't have to pay taxes. That seems reasonable. Go for it. It seems difficult, but hey, whatever. I find it strange that you have internet access Grizzly Adams. How did you manage that?

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          Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I help out a friend at his store and use his PC.  I am also going to spend the summer on 25 acres of private land that he owns.  Tenting and fishing, I already planted some stuff so I should be good for the summer.
          
          Local farmers will give me food for a few days labor.  I really do live free, no time clocks, no responsibilities.
          
          I do use the sidewalks but I would not mind if all the roads and freeways was taken off of public land.
          
          But once again I must say I do not terrorize anyone in any way. As a matter of fact most of the Police Officers in my town know me and like me.  I am the guy that helps out the elderly with household chores, I am a positive influence in my neighborhood and know most people on a first name basis.
          
          I do not mind lending a shopowner a hand if he is willing to provide me with something of value in return.  I will help unload a delivery truck for a pizza. 
          
          I even hand over my adsense checks to a homeless pantry that provides food for the needy.  I do not solicit banks.

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             Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             Sounds fun actually.

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    IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years ago

    It was only a matter of time.  I hate the Patriot Act for this very reason.

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