Want a Job Anyone .............?

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   ahorsebackposted 12 years ago

   The only way that Government can creat jobs in America is to stay out of the pockets of business and off the taxpayers already breaking backs! Yes they will get you a job allright ........but only if they hire you !  The only amswer to our dilema....Term limits , smaller government!

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      Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Really? What about building a bridge? Railroads? What about laying down pavement for a road? What about police? What about EMTs? What about the fire dept? What about soldiers who protect your freedom to say such things? What about the the EPA who doesn't let that energy plant up the road from your house dump their waste in your pool? Ever try to make money building a bridge? You should try to think deeper...you'll learn some things.

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         ahorsebackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Texasbeta .....HUH? My point is government hasent created new jobs with this stimulation,     It doesnt happen. Youust be a gov. employee!

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            Moderndayslaveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            We need to go back 20 years to fix what is screwing us now.

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            Barbara Kayposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Michigan started out with the most unemployment. Things are starting look up here now. Maybe it takes more patience. I may be wrong, but who knows.
            
            If Congress doesn't get busy though passing the debt ceiling, things are going to get even worse because the American dollar is going to go down in value.

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               Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               The Canadian dollar has been higher than the US dollar for over a month now. Which hurts me when I get paid by in US dollars.

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            Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Not anywhere in the entire thing you posted did it refer to absolutely ANYTHING about this "stimulation." What is a stimulation anyway. You stated the only government can create jobs is to "stay out of the pocket of business and off the taxpayer's backs." Those are you exact words. You can't man up to the fact that you were smacked in your face with facts and a better point, so now you want to what...call me government employee plant? What a child.

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               ahorsebackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Only a true rider of the system talks like that , what are you a highway worker, teacher, congressman?

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                  Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  So teacher's "ride the system"?

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         Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Get the government out of the road-monopoly, and those bridges and roads will turn profits like crazy.

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            Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Ah...Evan. the crusader of corporate fascism. Don't forget folks, this is the fella who wants to make every road in the country a toll road to line pockets of....the handful of people who would own them. Way to go Evan! Step on any infants today?

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               Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Oh Texas..
               
               Remember everyone: This is the individual who wants to steal your money and let 500 people in Washington tell you how to spend your own money!
               
               Throw any hippies in jail recently?

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                  Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Ah Evan, I miss your banter bro. Dude, I am the hippie...why would I throw them in jail?
                  
                  Make it known folks - Evan is the top of the heap, the libertarian/ conservative on this board who I genuinely respect. I don't agree with him, but the guy might whip your tail if you get him going. He might put in MORE effort on this stuff than I do, which is saying quite a bit. Either that, or he is MUCH more intelligent than most of us.
                  I still disagree with you at times man, but I have to take my hat off to you most of the time.

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                     Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     The choice was "get mad" or "go with it".
                     
                     

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         Jim Hunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         "Ever try to make money building a bridge?"
         
         Not personally no.
         
         But private contractors build bridges and roads everyday and make millions doing it.
         
         They do it better and faster than their government counterparts.
         
         Think on that...deeply.

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            Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Who do you think is paying the contractors to build the bridges? In nearly all cases federal, state, county and city governments.
            The government doesn't build bridges and other infrastructure. It pays private contractors to do so.

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            thebrucebeatposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Please list two major bridges in this country that are privately built, owned and operated.
            We are waiting.
            You will find them, but when you do you will find that they are not built with the needs of the public in mind, but of the builder.  Turning over the infrastructure of our country to the whims of the private sector, without any hint of larger scale planning for a growing population is madness.

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               Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               One is the Ambassador Bridge between Detroit and Windsor. It was privately built, 1927-29. It is currently owned by Mannie Mououn considered by by many as a bridge troll. He's proposing to build a second bridge next to the current one. But Canada and Gov. Snyder of Michigan are supporting a public bridge to be built and operated by a US-Canada public authority. Mouron has been contributing huge sums to members of the Michigan legislature to influence their votes in favor of his private bridge project.
               
               http://multimedia.detnews.com/pix/photo … index.html
               
               I'm not a big fan of privatizing what should be public endeavors--schools, toll roads, bridges and especially not prisons.

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                  ahorsebackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Ralph , as much as you usualy cry for the liberal cause  I agree with your post here!  Back scratching by private to public and back again feeds everything from nasa to  halitburton, NEA , AFL CIO, you name the cause , they get the $$$

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      virnutposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      IT is people like you that says smaller goverment but what happen when a tornato or a flash food comes along. the first thing that yoiu do is call on the goverment to help. Yes the goverment should become more effecinant  But the people of this country should be able to count on there goverment. We the people of this great country are one large family that is why we have to take care of one another. I don't feel as though I should heve to buy donald trump another hair peice. The bush tax for the rich is what started this country going broke.

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         Barbara Kayposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Amen.

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      bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Actually if Wall Street speculation is continued, jobs won't come. In the Great Depression jobs for infrastructure and big government partnerships with private industry put people to work. If the Republicans want main street to have a chance, they need to put people to work, and Wall Street won't do it for them, unless they get the housing bubble they want.

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      donotfearposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Agreed!
      
      

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         thebrucebeatposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I find your screenname ironic, as it is fear that creates this kind of doctored magazine cover and the perpetuation of lies about the president.

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   fit2dayposted 12 years ago

   Agreed, if the benefits weren't so high for govenment workers and there wasn't so much corruption, we'd be much better off economically.

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      Barbara Kayposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      fit2day, Agreed. I'm blabbering too much on this hub, but it is something I feel strongly about.

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   habeeposted 12 years ago

   WHY do we need so many government workers?? Think how much we'd save if we did away with the IRS and went to a national sales tax!

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   logic,commonsenseposted 12 years ago

   Issues with so many government workers goes back to the 1800's.  They are entrenched and since they are always there they have the politicians ear.  Guess what they promote?  More government and more government workers. 
   Time to elect politicians that are willing to make the sacrifice and do what is right.
   Michelle Obama has a staff of 24 at a cost to the taxpayers of 1.6 million annually.
   There are 141 employees in the White House that make a 6 figure income. With a total of 454 direct employees of the executive branch.  Say WHAT!  Thought we got rid of the monarchy over 200 years ago!
   The House of Representatives has over 2000 staffers that make 6 figure incomes.  With a total of over 30,000 legislative branch employees.  This is just totally insane!  And that doesn't cover any of the cabinet employees.

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   Ms Deeposted 12 years ago

   Yes, cut the government down to size to stop the over-reaching. Cut the wasteful spending. Throw out the lawmakers who lack the integrity and honesty required for serving our country.

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   TMMasonposted 12 years ago

   Did you all hear the Democratss on the House floor yesterday crying about the tea party in the way of Govt creating jobs... and how the Congress had not created any jobs in months, and it was so awful... what a bunch of BS.
   
   Govt does not create jobs... freaking Marxists Socialists scum suck!

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      Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      They don't huh? What did you build a bridge? When did you take a bullet for your country in another country? When did you climb out of tank after protecting your brothers in arms? Ever need to call a cop? A fireman? Did you go to school and have a teacher? Like the fact that you can "pretty much" drink the water out of your faucet? That is because of the EPA. Govt does indeed create jobs.

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         TMMasonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Yes. I have served my country.
         
         And the Govt is not there to create jobs... they are there to create an atmosphere conducive to job creation within our country, and on the world markets to what extent it can influence them.
         
         Do they have necessary functions which include employing people, yes... but that is not in any way their main function.
         
         And the EPA is nothing to brag on.

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            virnutposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I trully feel sorry for people who likes to pay the rich for working for them
            The republican party has been tring to kill social security and metcaid since thier beginning. Also they would do away with  all regulation for the rich industriralist the epa does one hell of a good job.

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            Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I totally agree. However, the statement was that the government doesn't create jobs. It didn't talk about its primary function. It said...government doesn't create jobs. Period. Well, government does create jobs. So, it was proven false.

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         ahorsebackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Ahh Your an epa guy aren't you......

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   Mikeydoesposted 12 years ago

   Did it ever dawn on anyone that "jobs" are a thing of the past?
   
   We have everything we could ever need, and our ancestors worked their bums for where we are now. They did all the work, now there is nothing left to do. We can work on world peace and destroying the money and ecomonies that are destroying us right now.
   
   Money is now an obstacle.

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   knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

   "And the Govt is not there to create jobs"
   So what they suppose to do with all that taxes
   they collect - give it to the rich?

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      TMMasonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      NO.
      
      Is that a real question?
      
      They are to pay for things like the Military, Soc. Sec. and welfare -or the Leftists would freak-, and then there is paying to build highways, bridges, and all the other shit we need fixed with our infra-structure to survive as a nation. There is plenty to do with the cash we take in that doesn't include hiring people as federal employees and building up huge Unions and thier bank accounts. And when we had all that fixed and going and didn't need to keep spending so much we could always cut taxes.

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         I am DB Cooperposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         "They are to pay for things like the Military, Soc. Sec. and welfare"
         
         By far the biggest pieces of the pie. But go on and keep complaining about overpaid federal employees, unions, Marxists, Communists, lizard people and whatever else you think is destroying this country. There's a reason why the tea party caucus is being treated like the red-headed stepchild in the debt ceiling debate.

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            TMMasonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            The tea party is running the debate... where have you been?
            
            I have been sitting here all day watching the House and the Dems freak about the tea party and Boehner's bill.
            
            It is clear who has the cards.
            
            And yes, military, I would keep funding it full on. I would cut back on Soc Sec. and welfare along with hundreds of other programs the dems have devised to drain us. But the Military is going to be very necessary in the next decades.

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               Moderndayslaveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I would cut back on corporate welfare and subsidies to foreign countries actually. Remember your fellow vet's deserve their ss and other benefits or is your memory that short?

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                  TMMasonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  That is without question. No subsidies for anyone, oil ethenol etc... all subsidies are out.
                  
                  I was under the impression that was obvious from the many times I have stated such.

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   Home Girlposted 12 years ago

   All jobs went to India and China. We just have to manage with scraps that's left for us. And cut spending of course. And government could just set an example by doing that. Leftists,rightists, socialists, whateverists, we all need our lifes to live and to live decently, and to have means to support us and our children. We cannot just tell them, 'oops!We've lost it, sorry! We've spent everything away, nothing is left for you.'

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    Joy56posted 12 years ago

    here in Ireland ..................  What do we have to do to get work........... beats   me.....

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    Home Girlposted 12 years ago

    may be just that
    
    

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    ahorsebackposted 12 years ago

    Like it or not , Its the tea party that will have any influence on business as usual! The only ones who hate the T.P people are those afraid of a real and nesessary grass roots change , It has to be turned away from the two party apathetic idiousy of the past! Republicans and democrats are not going to change!

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       Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       No, we are afraid of ignorance, prejudice and anti-government propaganda fueled by the Kochsuckers and others behind the curtain to further their own greedy interests.

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    Uninvited Writerposted 12 years ago

    It is "idiocy"...sorry...it's been bugging me.

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    ahorsebackposted 12 years ago

    Uninvited Writer, What is it with you ,ADHD ?, so I misspell  a word or two get over yourself and read between the lines very humanizing element of my message. Or is that too hard?

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    Uninvited Writerposted 12 years ago

    Sorry I mean't no offence. I have a problem with misspellings I overlooked the forum title because they can't be edited and anyone can make a mistake. I know I'm not above typos either.
    
    I hardly think letting businesses have free reign is humanizing.

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    ahorsebackposted 12 years ago

    My point is , there are no jobs Created  by government , only the propping up of jobs that don't and can't support themselves.  Not one gov't job will ever make a profit! Like the orange trucks on the highway or the EPA . They cost you and me money !  NASA , or the Marines. Texasbeta . is your job "shovel ready", because the your post is!

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       Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       You need to take Economics 101. The stimulus program wasn't enough to do the job, but it created nearly 3 million jobs.
       
       "...But to estimate the answers to such questions, economists rely on models based on historical relationships between various policies and real-world results. Earlier this month, Zandi and co-author Alan Blinder, former vice chairman of the Federal Reserve, released the most detailed assessment of the government's efforts to combat the so-called Great Recession. Neither economist is regarded as a partisan firebrand. Zandi, for example, backed John McCain in the 2008 presidential campaign and has advised members of both parties.
       
       "Their conclusion: The fiscal stimulus created 2.7 million jobs and added $460 billion to gross domestic product. Unemployment would be 11% today if the stimulus hadn't been passed and 16.5% if neither the fiscal stimulus nor the banks' rescue had been enacted, according to Zandi and Blinder. "It's pretty hard to deny that it had a measurable impact," Zandi said.
       
       As of Aug. 13, almost 64% of the program's original $787 billion had been spent. (The Congressional Budget Office, which is among those concluding that the program had a broadly positive economic result, currently projects the Recovery Act's total cost to be $814 billion. Including an earlier Bush administration tax rebate and some unrelated programs, total stimulus spending will reach about $1 trillion over several years.)..."
       
       http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2 … 0_CV_N.htm

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    TMMasonposted 12 years ago

    The stimulus was a failure, just as FDR's BS programs were failures.
    
    An abject, A-1, historic failure!
    
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/mor … 76356.html
    
    And the Leftists cry we didn't spend enough... what BS.
    
    It is all about breaking us as a nation. Drain our economy and banks accounts, let our infra-structure crumble, load up the welfare rolls and stir the pot till you have riots in the streets because the people aren't getting what they think is theirs.
    
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/ … _of_e.html
    
    
    http://cloward-piven.com/

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    mega1posted 12 years ago

    Why shouldn't it be a straight 10 % tax on everybody, including businesses - except the poor and those small businesses that don't make much.  WHY?  WHY? WHY?

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       Moderndayslaveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       That's too easy ,but I'm on your side.Put a flat tax on everything from income to corporate profits to financial transactions.That's right Wall St. pay up. Plus all of the corporate loopholes,,,,Gone.

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    ahorsebackposted 12 years ago

    Stimulus money in my state has kept the guys in the orange trucks very comfortable. Three million jobs ! My a@@,  Paul deeds, show that one to us! Payback to organized labor and the NEA people for getting O -man into the white house ! Hence the 50 odd visits to the whitehouse by the head of AFL-CIO.......gimme a break 3 million jobs.

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    Moderndayslaveposted 12 years ago

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/30 … -the-jobs/

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    Dixiecupposted 12 years ago

    We need tax money to pay for all things we use. People who live in countries with high taxes are the happiest because they don't have to worry about health care, unemployment, or retirement. 42 percent of financial wealth is controlled by the top 1 percent. 1 percent of Americans own almost half the money in the country. How does the math work out on that? What we need to do is raise the taxes on the top 1 percent and stop free trade. Free trade is sending all the factory jobs to China. There are 3 perfectly good factories sitting empty in my home town. And because there are no factory jobs older people are taking all the fast food and retail jobs. There are very few opportunities for young people like myself. Thank you old people for not paying any damn attention and allowing this to happen.

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       Barbara Kayposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Dixiecup, You look like you are old enough to vote. All this debt started with  the Bush administration. By now you should realize that the Congress are no longer representing the people, but are only thinking about their own party and whether they will be voted in again.
       
       It's gotten so we the voters don't have much influence. We vote for the best man and then they don't listen to the people.
       
       What are you doing to change things??? I resent you blaming this on what you call the "old people." If you are paying attention right now like you say we didn't, you know that the average person can't do anything about it anymore.

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    Dixiecupposted 12 years ago

    I'm sorry If I offended you. I vote, I started registering others to vote when I was 14 in the '04 election. I educate myself and others about the issues at hand. I write my congressmen and senators. I do what I can. Most importantly, I am passionate in my love for this country. Passionate enough to form my own opinions rather than receiving false information from cable news. I'd like to say out sourcing started before President George W. Bush. From what I understand outsourcing started in 1980's with Reagan and the George H. W. Bush administration accelerated the program. But the real problems began in 1994 under President Clinton with the passing of NAFTA and the WTO, both of which make it impossible to place taxes or tariffs on outsourced work. I feel like most people base their votes on which candidate has the same religious or social values as them rather than important issues like jobs. Who cares if the candidate is the same religion as you, or how much they say "folk" and wear a plaid shirt if they'll continue to send jobs overseas?

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    Moderndayslaveposted 12 years ago

    Voting isn't really cutting it.Waiting every 2 or 4 years and hope that the majority of your locale isn't voting for someone just because someone is Black,Jewish,Republican Or Democrat is nonsense.We need a way to fire or recall them if they screw up,they need the fear of losing their job in the corner of their eye every day,the way we live.

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       Dixiecupposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       That is a great idea, but I doubt they would ever pass that.

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       Barbara Kayposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Amen to that. At this point we need a whole new Congress.

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