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   Apostle Jackposted 12 years ago

   Why is it said that Angels have wings? Wings in the bible only refer to Symbolism and not Celestial spirits of the Heavenly host,which don't have wings. Humankind compare anything that can fly to have wings.But they did not include Spiritual beings,which do not have any need of such help.They are supernatural.That is my story...what is yours?

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      DoubleScorpionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      1 Kings 8:7 The cherubim spread their wings over the place of the ark and overshadowed the ark and its carrying poles
      
      Exodus 25:19-20
      19 make one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; make the cherubim of one piece with the cover, at the two ends.
      20 The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover.
      
      This doesn't seem like symbolism to me. Seems they had wings.

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         Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Cherubim's do not define Celestial spirituality.They are symbolic which have another meaning otherwise than that which is presented.  Cherubim's nor creatures with many heads and eyes and such,are not Angels.

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            DoubleScorpionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Cherubims are one of the higher ranked angels. Where are you getting your information from, seriously, I would really like to know.

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               Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Surely not the same place as you get yours. I have seen angels,you have only talked about them. There are no Cherubim's in the Heavenly host of heaven. You are mixing symbolism with Celestial spirits which you don't seem to know the difference of. You speak from an empty well. I would like to know how you drink without water...or can teach without having knowledge of what you are teaching about. Can you tell me that?
               I speak according to the increase.Daniel 12 v 4 in that:...they shall run to and fro,and knowledge shall be increase.

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                  earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  You're the man!

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                  DoubleScorpionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Since you have all of the answers, why bother discussing the issue. I don't debate with those who offer no understanding of the topic at hand. Disagreements, sure, that can be debated, but you are so far out in left field I am pretty sure we aren't even in the same ball park anymore.
                  
                  I am pretty sure the "well" you are drinking from is nothing more than a mirage.
                  
                  And I would say that since I hold a PHD in Biblical Studies, that makes me more qualified to teach on these types of matters than most.

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   Cagsilposted 12 years ago

   What angels?
   
   Mystic beliefs are based on mysticism. Mysticism is intellectual dishonesty that resides in oneself.
   
   Do try to purge yourself of mystic beliefs. You'll actually live a fuller life. Because, it will be based on honesty instead of dishonesty. Just a thought.

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      Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Are you saying that nothing supernatural exist,and that there is nothing uncommon above the common that is known?

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         wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         By definition, the supernatural does not exist; everything comes from nature.
         
         Every thing in existence is both common and uncommon.  Only the supernatural, having no existence, can always be uncommon.

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            Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            You are trying to explain something that you know nothing about. You only have theories and hear say....and not actual experience.So you think that everyone is like you.....without proof. And that don't hold any water.

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               wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               So are you.  You know nothing of angels, and have only your personal theory and hear say...you have never met nor seen an angel.  That don't hold any water.

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                  Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I have seen what you have not concerning Angels. So that make you have an empty well.And one can not drink from an empty well.

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                     wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     One can drink from a poisoned well, though, and fill their head with nonsense.

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                        Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        If one can see the pile of crap in the middle of the road,it is hie/her own fault if  he or she get it all over their shoes by stepping in it anyway. That.....is nonsense. Doing things unknowingly is one thing, to do it with your eyes open is quite another. Nonsense comes with ignorance..and not knowing bring the most nonsense to the table. Don't feel bad because you don't know...........you can always learn.
                        How can one drink from an empty well,you cannot poison what is not there. Or maybe you have a new trick to show everyone how it is done.

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                           wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Rolling in piles of crap is like drinking from a poisoned well; either way it fills one with BS and illusion.  The trick will be to one day learn how to dispense and dispose with both.  I wish you luck in that endeavor.

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         Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I'm saying that the supernatural is a mystic invention. And, it's based on intellectual dishonesty.

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            Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Santa Claus is a mystic invention of what fly in the air.You should know the difference.

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               Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Santa Claus, just like spirituality, and whatever "god" religion puts forth, is all a mystic invention. Not real and YES, I know the difference.

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                  Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  That is your extension of knowledge.Everyone is not so shadow in understanding. Intelligence is spiritual.Personality is spiritual,just to name a few. Santa Claus is a total lie. It seems that you only thought that you knew.

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                     Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     And you're full of something that's for sure.

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                        Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        What i am full of gets me where i am going. I think that we all are full of something.

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                           Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           As per usual. You're going nowhere fast.

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                              Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Even no where is considered somewhere. Nothing is without a category.

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                                 Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 

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                     wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Intelligence is a function of brain tissue coupled with environment and experience.  Personality is the same.  Santa Claus is a delightful tale to entertain and please children, just as angels are.

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                        Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        I would say that you are one of those children. Is that why your answer is so much like a child which is without reality of knowing? Brain tissue don't produce anything but matter,cells,elements and material function. I think that you are greatly confused.

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                           wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Brain tissue produces energy and electrical activity.  This in turn gives rise the the effects we call intelligence and personality.  Certain poisons can disrupt these finely tuned activities and can indeed cause confusion.
                           
                           All straight now, or still drinking from poisoned wells?

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                              Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Show me the process of  matter into electric.It cannot be done. One have DNA and the other one don't. That is like saying that grapes can produce peanuts. The common cannot produce the supernatural,and you don't have a process that say it does.

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                                 Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 That's because there's no such thing as the supernatural. Duh!

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                                    Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    Then, there is no such thing as the natural. If there is no uncommon,then there is no common.

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                                       Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       Man, go learn something would you.

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                                       wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       common sense is most uncommon as can be seen in this thread.  As angels are nothing they, too, are quite uncommon and can be found only in an uncommonly active imagination.
                                       
                                       On the other hand, cherubims are quite common and can be found in many paintings, drawings and statues. 
                                       
                                       Thus we have both the common and uncommon; it is natural, which is quite common and found everywhere around us in nature.

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                                 wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 Lead plates dipped in sulfuric acid will produce electricity.  Unfortunately heads filled with lead produce nothing whether DNA is present or not.  It would be like producing a peanut plant from a grape.
                                 
                                 By producing nothing, heads filled with lead produce the supernatural; as nothing is supernatural it comes naturally for such unfortunate souls.

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   Emile Rposted 12 years ago

   Apostle Jack. I'm not saying angels don't exist, but have you ever seen one? If not, you are using your imagination to decide what they look like. Why care if anyone agrees or disagrees? The things you imagine can look any way you want.

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      Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Yes I have seen Celestial Spirits that are call Angels.,and they don;t have wings. They don't need wings to fly,or get from one place to another. The truth is always important.  I speak from evidence,and nor theories or hear say.
      Even more because I am a celestial spirit,and i speak from that knowledge existence and not schools of world education,but from what my eyes have seen and my spirit have experienced.
      So i speak with confidence...and not imagination.

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         wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         It is good to speak with confidence; a lack of confidence in ones self gives rise to great unhappiness and sadness.
         
         Of course, even infinite confidence does not necessarily correlate with reality.

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            Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            True...but when you have touch the flames...there is no more doubt. Only those that have not is lacking in the knowledge of it.

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               wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Yes.  Lack of doubt IS confidence.  But confidence isn't knowledge; often it is only delusion.  Too much flame, too much pain, and the result is madness and delusion even while overconfident.

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                  Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  The act of knowing is what it is all about. Knowledge and confidence cannot be separated. If so ......explain one without the other.

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                     wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     It is difficult; I have been trying very hard to give knowledge to confidence without knowledge for some time now.
                     
                     The problem seems to be that confidence believes instead of knowing while thinking it is knowing when it is not.  It thus will not learn to gain knowledge, preferring instead to believe that its belief is knowledge.

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                        earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Not bad at all wilderness, not bad at all.

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                        Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        It is not known that confidence is without knowledge.Only knowledge can tell you that. Confidence will be the voice that said it.

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   earnestshubposted 12 years ago

   Goddunnit perhaps?

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      DoubleScorpionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I really don't understand where some of these thought processess come from. One would think that those claiming to be Christian, would understand their own bible better than some of these folks do. Sometimes, when reading these forums, I just have to scratch my head at some of the comments made by some. Believer or not...I am pretty sure we can all comprehend what we read. Slight differences in interpretations maybe, but some things are just simply straight forward with no interpretation required.

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         earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I agree.
         I studied the bible in Hebrew, Greek and English, and although I speak only English, the studies showed that there was very little left open to interpretation, the later bibles were pretty much in agreement over words and their different meanings.
         
         Being able to see archetypes in analogous scripture and separate that from the rest is relatively easy to do, if one is not locked in to the delusions of grandeur.

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         Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Hey DS, one's perception skews the interpretation. There are other factors involved, but this really isn't the thread to get into it. Before one can interpret anything, they have to use their perception to read and comprehend. If their perception is skewed, because they truly don't understand how to use their own perception or what it's for, then the interpretation will have mixed results.
         
         Just a thought.

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      Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It is not where you have been,more than it is what you know.  Once burned....always learned. But that is only for some,most people will have to be a 1000 times before they believe that .....that is what fire does.

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         earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I don't understand any of your post, so I guess I am just not as spiritual or knowledgeable as you.

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            Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            On the real side,some truly do know more than others.

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               earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I agree.

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                  Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  At lease out of the pot of many thoughts to be express in the world,we do agree on something. But still, one board don't build a house.

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