How Is Coming Third a Victory?

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   Charles Jamesposted 12 years ago

   The Ron Paul supporters seem ecstatic that their man came third. Fair enough - it is better than he did the previous time out. But how is third place a victory?

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      Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Currently, the numbers can EASILY change, he's tied with 7 delegates.
      
      People who think he came in third don't understand the difference between a caucus and a primary. Unfortunately, these "people" are inside of our media. It's astonishing how many of them are ignoring the way the system works. These people should REALLY know better.
      
      Here are some links explaining a bit:
      http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ … _get_.html
      http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 … ntil-june/
      
      Also, it's BEYOND clear that Santorum is just in the middle of his "I'm not Romney" bump. So, in reality, Paul came in second.
      
      Also, Bachmann left - Bachmann supports Ron Paul's economic message fiercely, there are videos of her saying as much - so many of her supporters might just find their way to the Paul camp.
      
      Perry ALMOST backed out - he's one more abysmal showing away from giving up. He also supports Paul's Austrian Economic views (although, he's likely just paying lip service).
      
      And Huntsman's 4% are more likely to find their way into Paul's camp than anyone else's.
      
      All that REALLY needs to happen for Paul to take the country by swarm is for everyone to realize the following:
      
      Iran has not invaded another country in some 100+ years; it does NOT have nuclear weapons; it is not trying to make nuclear weapons; and we've been over there overthrowing their elected governments for about a century.

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         I am DB Cooperposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I agree that with the caucus system, Ron Paul basically won Iowa. It was a good showing and will probably help him in some primaries. I don't think Paul will get any significant bump from Bachmann supporters. I think the polling shows they weren't following her because of her economic views -- they just wanted a Christian fundamentalist in the White House. Her followers will flock to Santorum, but we'll soon see that she didn't have that many supporters to begin with.
         
         Even in Iowa, Bachmann and Santorum didn't combine for as many votes as Romney and Paul, and Iowa is where Religious Right candidates should do best. Now that we've moved on to New Hampshire where the more savvy voters are with more diversified interests, Santorum's numbers will go down dramatically. Even South Carolina is showing a huge increase in support for Romney as Republican voters attempt to solidify behind one candidate.
         
         Paul's economic views are popular with the Republican base, but he's always going to have trouble garnering a support from the majority of the GOP because his anti-war stance is considered liberal-leaning and even though he is pro-life he hasn't been willing to sell his soul to the Religious Right.

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            Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Wow, a non-insulting accurate description of events when talking about Ron Paul.
            
            It's been a while!

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   barryrutherfordposted 12 years ago

   He blocked Sarah  Palin making a run  (~)

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      steveamyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      a win for everyone

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   Wayne Brownposted 12 years ago

   It is easy to be thrilled about coming in third when the reality is that Paul could have easily come in last in Iowa.  Paul is the weak link in the conservative picture for the 2012 election. He is a spoiler at best with his indications that he will run as an independent if he cannot capture the republican nomination.  His presence in the race will not grow the conservative voter base but will only serve to splinter it in the end literally guaranteeing Obama's re-election. Paul has potentially assigned himself the same role which Perot played when Bush Sr. was defeated in the 90's.  Unfortunately those who support him are blind to the greater need of a combined conservative voter base and they actually believe that he can win.  Paul will only garner so many votes with his foreign policy perspectives and those will not be enough to send him to the White House regardless of his party affiliation for the upcoming election.  So, you will see his supporters cheering him on to a conservative defeat in the 2012 elections unless Paul gains a conscience and takes himself out for the good of the conservative base. WB

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   Cassie Smithposted 12 years ago

   I don't think he or his supporters thought that he would place as well as he did.  Don't forget, he's in a marathon not a sprint.

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   tobey100posted 12 years ago

   Who cares who came in where.  The Iowa caucus means little or nothing.  It's not a primary.  It's not even a constitutional means of electing representatives in the literal sense.  The winner in Iowa seldom, if ever, wins the nomination (3 since 1979).  Same goes with New Hampshire.  It is a marathon.

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years ago

   3rd=1st
   
   The Ayatollahs just want to be friends
   
   Racism will go away if we just ignore it
   
   Sweat shops are good for everyone, including the kids working in them...
   
   The cult of the Purple Unicorn will carry the pasty prophet into the White House in 2013.

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      Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Iran hasn't attacked a country in 100+ years.
      
      When sweatshops are shut down, the children who were working there generally go in to prostitution. This has been documented numerous times.
      
      "Loving someone" can't be legislated. IF you really think that it can, then I await your arranged marriage.
      
      And, because you don't understand Caucuses & Primaries, he actually tied for first. The top three each got 7 delegates (so far).
      
      ... well, that was easy.

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         Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         When you set your own bar so low...
         
         Yes, it's easy.
         
         The Ayatollahs have run Iran for 100+ years?
         
         Yes, revising facts to try to support your case does make it easier.

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            Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Ron, if Iran hasn't invaded another country for 100+ years, and the Ayatollahs (who were overthrowing our puppet government) have been in charge of Iran in that time span, then the statement stands.
            
            We're not in charge of Iran. They are.
            
            i'm not sure what facts i'm "revising". All my statements were true.

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               uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Iran invaded the sovereign territory of the United States when the US embassy was captured.  That is an overt act of war.

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                  Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Ah, then so was our covert overthrowing of their democratically elected government in 1954.

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   tobey100posted 12 years ago

   Why don't we simply base it on what they've actually accomplished.  Where does that leave Paul?  Let's pick our candidates as we would sports teams.  Past record.  I heard someone in New Hampshire calling for a Romney/McCain ticket.  Seriously?  Let's run a man for VP that couldn't beat Obama then let's run a man for President who could beat McCain.  Please.

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      Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      About the "what has Ron Paul accomplished" statement: passing legislation isn't necessarily good.
      
      Here's one piece of legislation that he wanted passed, but no one else did.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyGGe7qO … re=related

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   Greek Oneposted 12 years ago

   Speaking of finishing 2nd and 3rd... the new North Korean leader actually has two older brothers.
   
   One of them evidently fell out of favor with his 'dear leader'/papa when he tried to sneak into Japan and visit Disneyland. 
   
   The other brother was looked over because as " he is like a little girl".
   
   It funny how political primaries differ in different parts of the world

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      Michele Travisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Still, isn't it better then comming in last?

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         uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         To quote Bobby Knight, second place is first loser.

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   steveamyposted 12 years ago

   It isn't

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