Links between immigrants and crime are not what you might expect

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   Josakposted 12 years ago

   According to Public policy institute of California U.S. born men are more than eight times more likely to be jailed and despite poverty and hardship amongst immigrants which often leads to crime eight of the ten safest cities in America have large immigrant populations and areas which have seen most growth in immigrant numbers both legal and illegal have also seen significant drops in the crime rate well outside the normal range for the period.
   Evidence seems to suggest that immigrants are genuinely coming to the US for a better life to work honestly and stereotyping them as criminals is factually inaccurate

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      maxoxam41posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I didn't need a study to prove that legal or illegal immigrants come to the U.S. to improve their lives. It logically entails working hard. I am happy that it opposes what common people think about immigration.

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         jponiatoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, immigrants come to the U.S. to improve their lives, but I disagree with your logic.  Sure, a lot of them come to work hard and carve out a piece of the American dream.  Some come because they heard about what a great welfare / public assistance program we have, often greatly exaggerated in order to persuade them to pay to be smuggled across the border on promises of an easy life.  And some come to expand and work the illegal drug distribution pipeline.

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            maxoxam41posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            The U.S. did not need the illegal immigrants to install a network of drug dealing to serve the local demand! Michael Ruppert ex cop testified on the involvement of the police and the FBI on that matter.

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               jponiatoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I didn't say the pipeline was created by illegal aliens, or that they are the only ones working it.  I said some of them come here to do so.

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   Barnseyposted 12 years ago

   Having done a lot of "sight seeing" in Camden and other major urban areas with large immigrant populations as a Medical Transportation driver, and as an avid news watcher, I can honestly say that for the most part your statement is true. However, I would submit to you that it must be hard to be a burglar or thief when everyone around you is dirt poor. That being said the word criminal covers a wide area of potential law breakers.
   It is a fact that the largest crime ring in the USA is a latino gang originating somewhere in South America. My point is stats may not cover this subject well enough because only what has been caught and reported can actually be included. Latin immigrants have huge arms of organized crime all over the USA, much of which is focused on helping illegals beat the system. Fake ID's, work papers, green cards, driver's licenses - Oh don't get me started on licenses, not to mention the huge smuggling operations that force innocent civilians to carry drugs into the USA for cartels.
   All of that now covered and mentioned it is only fair that I point out the visible criminals commiting crimes daily in the public eye are for the most part African American males, and a huge percentage of those crimes are enacted against their own neighbors. La familia still means something to the latin community while it clearly means nothing to African Americans. It stopped having meaning to most whites long ago, unless of course you live in the midwest where old fashioned values are still present in everyday life. The difference is that whites become isolationists, not criminals, by largest percentage. Obviously city life seems to bring out the worst in people.

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   Randy Godwinposted 12 years ago

   All of this pales in comparison to white collar crime in the US. 
   
   
                                    

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      Barnseyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Very good point.

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   knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

   And the crimes of some corporations which cause the whole immigration problem, like dumping cheap farm products in Mexico, which puts the locals out of business, and and what-ya-know, new markets for these same thieves.

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   xstaticposted 12 years ago

   It is nice to see so much civil discourse on such a hot topic natioanlly. All very good and well-reasoned points. (Which I can agree with)

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   prettydarkhorseposted 12 years ago

   Facts
   
   
   People do migrate - check early human migration. Reasons bec of natural/weather conditions, livelihood and overall advancement/quality of the conditions of life.
   
   Now there are barriers to migration, papers etc.
   
   Adaptation to the new environment can create a new set of social behavior and culture. Both the incoming migrants and the people already in the area affect each other, whether economic or social. There is always some kind of hesitancy within the people who are in the place at the moment (bec of the sense of competition) and the successful migrants are those that use their full potential and can adapt easily
   
   There is no document or stat to prove that crimes in the border or in the US are due to migrants, illegal or legal
   
   A comprehensive policy on those who are already here illegally is needed. It is expensive but that is the only way to go. Deportation (and the process that goes with it) is more expensive.

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