Is there a sign to tell you that you have crossed the line and that there is no

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   Deb Welchposted 11 years ago

   
   This question could refer to relationships or even personal health measures.  Something should wake one up to the fact that they have crossed a very fine line and change is needed.  How much and how far does it take to get there?  Is it an individual lesson?

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      Stacie Lposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      can you finish the question?

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      Deb Welchposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The complete question was cut off even though I submitted it correctly.
      Is there a sign to tell you that you have crossed the line and that there is no going back?

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   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   Can we have a clue as to what kind of line you are referring to?

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      Deb Welchposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The line is a figure of speech - metaphorical.  How does one know when they have had enough turmoil, sadness, is there a limit that one measures the need to make a definite change?

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         psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I know it is a figure of speech, but I have no idea what you are trying to express with it.  Cross the line to... cheating? Wanting to separate? being too selfish? What?

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            Deb Welchposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            You are very astute - it could be associated with different scenarios - yet - there is a line (invisible) that is crossed to the other side that many important decisions are forced.  Does one hold on too long?  Do you take too much?  When is enough - enough?  Does someone have to nudge you, do you wake up all of a sudden one day, or you never have been there - possible.

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   Dr. Haddoxposted 11 years ago

   People often cross the line when they like or do or say unethical things in order to win an election. If you hurt people to get what you want or have no regards for people's feelings, or otherwise you have crossed the line. If you get upset (angry) because of something someone did to you or said to you and you hurt that person, or worse, kill them, you have crossed the line. I could go on and on and on, but I believe anyone can see my line of  thinking here.
   Regards,
   Dr. Haddox

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      Deb Welchposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      True.  The Lord Jesus said - no one would be tested beyond a limit - sort of in that context.  Yet - the world itself has gone far beyond any limit.  When 20 little kids were murdered by a 20 yr. mass killer - all limits became off. One example.

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         Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I appear to need a mountain to fall on me before I give up. Im not particularly happy with that aspect of my personality, but there you go... so a mountain falling on my head. That would a sign to me that it's time to throw in the towel.

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   Shadesbreathposted 11 years ago

   Generally humans have to hit bottom to change. It is the nature of the beast, so to speak.

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      Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      true.
      you're not a super optimistic kinda guy though are you?

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         Shadesbreathposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I actually am, but I recognize that optimism in situations where change really matters but doesn't happen is mostly just how we avoid being the one who calls for the intervention and goes through the b.s. of orchestrating it, etc. Taking action to solve a problem is usually way more effort than most people are willing to take to help someone... because, what if we are wrong? Etc. So, yeah. It is what it is. The bottom is where the individual will be forced to see it for themselves, or their loved ones, if they have any, will be forced to go, "Crap, we have to do something."
         
         I like feeling good, just like the next guy. I like unicorns too. Hell, I write fantasy, my books are full of unicorns and faeries and stuff. But, sadly, there is a reason fantasy is popular. It's because it doesn't represent reality. Optimism is a thing that is often claimed by people where fantasy is really what they are having but aren't willing or able to see.

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            Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I wonder what personal situations we're all seeing in our heads as we answer this post. Surely each individual circumstance would dictate our reactions.

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   Cordelia Bayposted 11 years ago

   I believe that one can begin to find one's way back when the point of "enough is enough" is in the forefront of one's thought and actions as well as a true desire for change. However, one must take a step to begin the process.....just talking about it really and truly never gets anything accomplished. It is not an easy step as one will have to examine one's self with truth and honesty. One must acknowledge the things that they do not believe they did....and, the things they thought they did but did not....then, one must take the appropriate steps to change the things they don't like and strengthen the things they do like about self. Too, one must understand that no one else can make the changes for another.....but, others can give insight, wisdom, knowledge, understanding and encouragement along the path of the journey of the one seeking change. It is never too late to apologize, attempt to make amends(whether they go the way one may desire or not), and it is never too late to ask for and give forgiveness to one's self and another.

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   rebekahELLEposted 11 years ago

   One of the best forum posts I've seen in the 3+ years I've been here.   So many people refuse to see the reality of their situations until the mountain has dropped or the ground has opened.  I think much of it is fear based, and lack of genuine self-awareness.
   
   I consider myself a very optimistic person, but I'm not afraid to pay attention to that nagging feeling that tells me to pay closer attention to a situation or to rephrase words that came out wrong.  Nothing is gained by failing to see it as it is, and either accepting or changing the situation.

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