Is capitalism inherently evil?

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   SoundNFuryposted 10 years ago

   It seems inevitable in a capitalistic society/world, that there are bound to be those who have a lot, and those who don't have anything.  This seems fundamentally immoral on a certain level.  It seems that when we embrace capitalism, we sacrifice the greater good in the name of personal freedom/gain potential.

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      JaxsonRaineposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      In any society, you will have people who work hard, and people who don't work. You will have people who contribute, and people who don't. You will have people who are selfish, and people who aren't.
      
      It's just human nature.

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      rhamsonposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Capitalism in itself is a healthy way to assure competition and therefore equal opportunity for those who wish to participate. Where it goes horribly wrong is when it rewards those who buy favor over others and tip the balance towards those who would circumvent the basic rules by which everyone else competes.

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   Paul Wingertposted 10 years ago

   This country did experience pure capitalism all during the 19th-early 20th century. How'd that go? Child labor, wage discrimination, etc., etc.

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   maxoxam41posted 10 years ago

   Give me one example of a capitalistic society that privileged people before capital? That privileged well-being, happiness, equality, liberty...? That is, nowadays, thriving? And you will find the answer to your question.

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      Silverspeederposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Switzerland

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         Josakposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Socialist.

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            Silverspeederposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Multi-party federal parliamentary democratic republic, Where the Swiss peoples party (right wing) hold the highest proportion of the votes and 54 seats in the parliament.

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      innersmiffposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Singapore, Hong Kong, and to a lesser extent, New Zealand.

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   innersmiffposted 10 years ago

   Capitalism is life itself - nothing but unhampered voluntary cooperation between individuals, you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. If this is inherently immoral then naturally, aggressive violence, as opposed to cooperation, must be inherently moral.

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   SpanStarposted 10 years ago

   Society is what we choose to make it. If we create a society whereby only a few benefit from the efforts of many then irregardless of the label we give it that type of society rests squarely on all of our shoulders. Take the communist society for an example, the hostility and hatred unchallenged by the people allowed that society to create an atmosphere of horror, hatred and fear.
   
   If we are to call ourselves moral human beings then we need to create a society that emulates those model values which we claim to stand for. When creating a society we need to take into account factors which would hinder a successful society such as greed, favoritism, hatred.

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      rhamsonposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The morality of this society shipped out a long time ago. We continue to support a corrupt system by which thieves and criminals get elected and favor is for sale to the highest bidder. We buy products made in sweat shops that impoverish millions to make our low cost sundries all the while making the corporate entity that institute them rich beyond anyone's imagination. We do this as our  jobs are dissolved and morphed into having to hold several jobs to survive. We reward the greed of our banking institutions for ruining the economy and still allow them to continue unhindered by any prosecution because they tell us it would be worse. We are sheeple for the slaughter by the ones who would have us believe they are acting in our behalf. Is capitalism good in this scenario? It thrives in it.

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   John Holdenposted 10 years ago

   Any system that oppresses the majority for the benefit of the few is evil.

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      innersmiffposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      You're an anarchist now?

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         John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         No, still a socialist.

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            wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Does that mean it's OK to oppress a minority for the benefit of the majority?  Because that would seem to be democracy it it's purest form, and that never seems to work very well - one has only to look at US history (Puritan society, or slavery/discrimination, for example) to see that.

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               John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Whilst oppression of any sort is to be disdained, surely the oppression of a minority is preferable to the oppression of a majority?

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                  wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Generally not.  Oppression of the minority is the norm, and is all too often expected and accepted.  It denotes a serious defect in the people of a society that, for the most part, accepts oppression by that majority.
                  
                  About the only thing you can say for the other way, oppression of the majority, is that they allow it themselves and therefore accept it as natural.  They have the power to stop it but don't, and until pure force, military action, enters the scene that is true.  And some people do just that.  That and the fact that the majority of the society does not have that particular defect - it may actually be healthy, if deluded.

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                     John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     In which country is oppression of the minority the norm?
                     
                     I don't know about the US but certainly in the UK the minority in the form of corporate bosses, government etc oppress the majority.

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                        wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        Any and all democracies.  The majority rules, although decent societies build in constraints on that ability.  I spoke of societies in general, but it is just as applicable to countries and governments.
                        
                        How do they oppress?  Do corporate bosses send squads of armed goons to force people to buy?  Or to work for the corporation?  And government (in a democracy) is the majority; they must be oppressing themselves.

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                           Josakposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           Well you are correct in two sense.
                           
                           Corporations absolutely do oppress, if there is a government they oppress through corruption, if there is no government or a weak government (as in our own mining history) then they absolutely will use armed goons and violence.
                           
                           You are also absolutely correct that people oppress themselves, not by intention but mainly through ignorance, if you grow up in a capitalist system being told that any other system is evil then who can fault you for believing it and never even exploring another idea? It is no coincidence that as education increases the less capitalist people become demographically.

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                              John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                              Hence the capitalist fear of education.

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                                 Zelkiiroposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                 And when you throw in good old-fashioned anti-intellectual religion into the mix...

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                              wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                              Yes, they sent armed goons.  Until the majority said "STOP", and it stopped.  That majority took it for a while, but ultimately decided they were tired of being oppressed and the oppression ended.
                              
                              Are you sure it is not coincidence?  Along with education comes ever greater productivity and riches.  Along with those riches comes a greater willingness to share what one has (it's no longer needed for mere survival).  Capitalism thus continues, but so does the socialistic attitudes and actions you are mistaking for lack of capitalism.
                              
                              Or do you refer to the flexing of majority muscle, the oppression of the minority as the majority demands that the they give up what they have earned, as a lack of capitalism?  Because that has nothing to do with capitalism.  It's just oppression of the minority - the norm in nearly every society.

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                              Lie Detectorposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                              Are you talking about the Battle of Blair Mountain?
                              
                              Almost 100 years ago?
                              
                              I think capitalism has evolved a little since then.

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                           John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           Well again only UK experience but as the government in the UK consists of about 650 people, your idea of a majority and mine do not coincide!
                           
                           Corporate bosses have no need of armed goons. they hold the purse strings, you want money, you play the corporate game.

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   Ralph Deedsposted 10 years ago

   Of course capitalism is not evil provided, as in the case of competitive sports, there are sensible rules and an umpire to assure the capitalists' actions are consistent with the common good--e.g., prohibitions on child labor, environmental damage, tax evasion, fraud, price fixing, etc. and other anti-social tendencies. Achieving this is never easy in the face of the millions spent by corporations and people like the Koch brothers, et al, on lobbying and political campaigns.

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   Karreposted 10 years ago

   In reading Adam Smith and Madison, etc., capitalism is inherently evil simply because people are self-centered. They understood this and this is why they set up guidelines to diminish evil effects. Having said that, all systems are inherently evil because they all can be used to the demise of others. The best we can do is teach and practice the ethics. There are many capitalist corporations who use good ethics. Unfortunately, there are more that don't.

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