Hubs Moved to Niche Sites That Are Still Being Edited

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   Jean Bakulaposted 7 years ago

   I just  got the "happy" news that one of my hubs about Cancer Moon Sign People has been moved to Exemplore. I don't feel happy, it was moved there months ago, and there was nothing wrong with it. It was well written when I wrote it.
   
   I give links on hubs like this so people can find their own planetary positions, and the link I had expired. So I just spent an hour replacing them. But I don't know what else they did to "fix" it. It looks to me like they should be spending their time reading just submitted hubs or older ones that already have not been moved to niche sites.
   
   I am getting way beyond frustrated. I spend more time on here than ever before, on hubs I wrote in 2011 and am starting to resent it. Once it's on a niche site, can't they leave it alone? The little blip in earnings isn't worth my blood.

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   Marisa Wrightposted 7 years ago

   Are you sure it's still being edited?
   
   I've noticed that the green HubPro symbol never disappears from Hubs that have been moved to the niche sites even though they finished editing them ages ago.

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      Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Marisa,
      Thanks, I see the green pencil never leaves. But many of my hubs that have been moved have no green pencil or mark of any kind. It makes it difficult to go back and edit them if I want them moved to niche sites, I can't see which I fixed and which I didn't, without keeping lists. It's a big time waster.

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         CatherineGiordanoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         The green pencil just means that the hub was edited. It's fine for it to remain. authors get an email notifying them when the hub is edited, so they can review the edits. Also, I believe that there is a redirect, so the former link will continue to get people to your hub even tho it hs been moved.  But it would be helpful to be able to see which have already been moved so we know which ones we should edit on our own to raise the quality. Once I had a green pencil on a hub for over a month before the hub was moved, even tho I reviewed and accepted the edits.

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            CatherineGiordanoposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            correction to my prior post. I have a hub with the green pencil symbol o it that was never moved to a niche site.

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               Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               You've reminded me, so do I.

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                  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  I have so many, it makes it really hard to go to my account page to see what needs my attention. I've had to resort to making lists. And at least 20 of the hubs they moved have no indication at all, no pencil, no red exclamation point, nada. So that'a another list .I can have a series of 12 hubs and can't tell which 6 have been moved. It's getting worse and worse.

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                     Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     You just have to go up to the top of your Account page and choose a site in the drop down box.

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                        Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        I know that. But I still have to search that whole site to see where it is and which hub was moved. On the ones they mark with the pencil or email to tell you they were moved, at least there is a link that takes you to the hub. Somebody just screwed up and moved a bunch of my hubs and didn't mark them at all, or tell me where they were put, or even show me the corrections made. It was a lot of them. It happened soon after they began moving them. They are sitting on my HP account page with not a mark on them. I can't remember them all without listing them. It's OK. I'm correcting and changing a few things, but have too much going on to do that much.
                        
                        Glenn said he checked, and said the titles were not consistent. When I checked, there was a colon on one out of 12 hubs, so I don't think that's such a big obstacle for them.(This was one series of 12 hubs) They are being really sloppy about letting me know what they are doing, splitting all the series things, and putting some in categories that make no sense. I've written in, and either they don't care, or are overwhelmed.. I know you care, it's just several issues, and it's making it very hard for me to find my hubs to change the things I want. They are not being consistent at all. It would be helpful if the ones they moved that are not marked in any way were at least taken off my account page. It's wasting so much time to find one hub.
                        
                        I'll live, I don't want to talk this to death.

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                           Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           I don't quite understand that sentence.
                           
                           Go to your "My Account" page. Click on the box that says "select a site" and select "HubPages".  That gives you a list of the Hubs that are still on HubPages.  Even if they have a green symbol next to them, if they are still showing on that list then they have not been moved.
                           
                           Now try selecting another site in that box - you will see a list of your Hubs that have already been moved to that particular site.
                           
                           Don't get confused by the green pencil icon.   If you're a good writer, some of your Hubs will get moved without being edited at all, so they won't ever have a green icon.
                           
                           Also the green icon doesn't go away even after editing is complete.  If a Hub has already been moved to a niche site, then you can be confident they've already finished all the editing.

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                              Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              OK, that's it. I must have had a group of about 20 hubs that were moved without any editing at all. So they are listed on my A/C page, but although I should know which ones they are by now, there are still a few I can't recall. And they parts of some of my series things.
                              
                              I realized they weren't editing anymore when I changed a few things on hubs that were moved. I'm happy they were moved. I just didn't like a few things they did. On my Motherpeace tarot hubs (God, that series has been such a pain you know where, but long as they are, were always the most viewed). They took out all my anti war views and others that are the reason for the deck in the first place, but it's OK. Money is money.
                              
                              Thanks for finally understanding what I was trying to say.
                              
                              Are you feeling settled at home now? I hope you are enjoying the sun.

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                                 Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 You should regard it as a compliment to your writing that so many Hubs were moved with no editing.
                                 
                                 Like I said, it's easy to work out which ones have moved, by selecting each site in the box at the top of the page and seeing what's listed for each site.
                                 
                                 If you select "HubPages" you'll see ONLY the Hubs that are still on the main site.
                                 
                                 I've never really enjoyed the sun that much, but I am happier being back in the Australian lifestyle.

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   Glenn Stokposted 7 years ago

   Jean, I'm not sure I understand what you are saying.
   
   What do you mean about a link that expired? If you have links to other hubs and those hubs are moved to a niche site, the links are automatically changed to the new URL. Your don't need to update it yourself. Besides, links don't expire. The only way they become dead links is if the destination has been deleted.

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   Will Apseposted 7 years ago

   The editor's nervousness is palpable. If they stifle writers they will surely lose out. After all, we are expected to write for love not money.

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      Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      One Dozen of my hubs already moved to a niche site had all the links crossed out. The one link on each hub is essential to have so the hub makes sense. Once I looked into it further, the link was actually down, so it wasn't HP's fault, and I've replaced the links with new ones.
      
      However, HP continues to take series I wrote in 12 parts and split them up on different niches. I've written in about this several times. I don't care if the twelve stay on HP, but don't split them up again into three niche sites, when they discuss one planet in all twelves signs. This creates a situation for me where my readers can't find the info they are looking for about themselves.
      
      My Venus series is scattered through Letterpile, Exemplore Paired LIfe and HP. They are all fictional stories I wrote, and should be in one place, and not just stuck where they need more hubs.
      
      I've had it.

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         Glenn Stokposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Did you put all of them into the same exact topic category?
         
         EDIT: I just answered my own question. I looked at three of your Venus Hubs. You put "Venus in Capricorn" in astrology and you put "Venus in Aquarius" in creative writing. HubPages simply placed them in the appropriate niche sites as per the topics you yourself selected.  Astrology went into PairedLife and the one in creative writing went into LetterPile, as would be expected.
         
         Your title "Venus in Pisces: People's Love Lives" is the only one with a colon before "People's Love Lives" and that would have made the bot put presidence on the second part of the title, causing that hub to go into Exemplor. 
         
         You need to keep consistency between the way you title your hubs, and the topic, if you want them to stay together.

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            Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks for checking, I don't like to cause you extra work.
            
            But that's not the whole story. Christy wanted some of them in Paired Life. Just because a couple goes out for a while, that doesn't mean they will be together for life.
            
            And before the hubs were moved to the niches, HP changed many of my categories to things other than where I had them.
            
            I appreciate your help, but it seems like the team is working at cross purposes. I've brought this category thing up with Christy several times. She's always patient and nice, like you, but I wasn't the one to put the pieces that were moved into the categories they ended up in before they were moved. I was shocked to see how some of them were categorized. I guess it doesn't matter, people are reading them.
            
            I just don't know if I want to continue to write anything new.

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               Glenn Stokposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               I understand.  If you catch that they changed the topic, you can click on the pencil icon and undo that one change. Then send them an email telling them why you changed the topic back and why all the topics need to be the same.
               
               But also fix those titles so you use the same formatting of the titles for all that belong together. Like I said, some have colons and some don't. Consistency also helps.
               
               By the way, I never saw that pencil go away. It always remains. Just the exclamation mark next to the pencil goes away when you confirm their edits.

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                  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  I'll try to be more consistent.
                  
                  I wrote most of these hubs five years ago.
                  
                  I love the callout capsules, I've become a big fan since you told me what they are.
                  
                  How do I confirm their edits? I normally go with what they say, unless the picture is really hideous and has nothing to do with what I'm writing about. I didn't know we couldn't just use Google Images when I came here, and I'm spending an alarming amount of hours finding pictures.
                  
                  And now I realize the links are not working on any of my Mercury Hubs either. But I was only about half way through fixing them up for other reasons, so I'm glad I realized it now. It's an Astrology mystery why so many of them changed.
                  
                  Thanks as usual.

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                     Glenn Stokposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     You can see the changes they made, capsules removed, etc., by clicking the pencil icon.
                     
                     A safe place to find many useful images is from pixabay. All images there have a CC0 license so you are free to use them commercially.

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                        Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        There aren't many Astrology pictures, so everyone on HP who uses them use the same ones over and over. I'm creative, but can't draw well, or I'd make my own.
                        
                        Since the Mercury and Venus hubs are fictional in nature, I have more freedom with pictures, depending on what I do with my characters. And I mention in the summary I was nagged to use that they are fiction. Except for the Sun Signs and Moon Signs, many of the others are fiction and I say so in the summary.
                        
                        Using the category tool isn't that easy. It leads you to places the computer thinks you should go. Since I write on other uncommon topics besides Astrology, it's very hard for me to describe two or three categories that I want my hub in. I'm not changing all of them now after writing hubs in 2010 and 2011, I publish on other sites that pay me better. It's just a fluke of good fortune I'm making money again here, but I have no idea how long it will last. I've had to rewrite, change links, change pictures, and am unwilling to put the time in to do more, it's very time consuming. I spent 4 hours last night changing links that no longer work and pictures HP doesn't like. They don't even like Tarot pics, when any deck that's published is already in the public domain.
                        
                        I will finish correcting the links, and if I can, more pictures. When HP adds one, it's something from the 1800s that is ugly and usually black and white. I've changed some back that are already on niche sites, but are legal usage, public domain. But I have to give most of my attention to sites that saw my work here and asked me to come there and get paid by the article. I like HP, but have to be practical about how I allocate my time.
                        
                        I appreciate your help though.

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               Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               I wouldn't disappear just yet. New copy editors, new structure for the site... I don't think they have had time to really work out what they are doing, yet.
               
               I wouldn't stop complaining, though, lol.

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                  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Don't worry Will, I will continue to complain. I'm really crabby now finding links that work. And pictures that aren't black and white. And making format decisions made not by me, even though it's my work.
                  
                  I will even complain for someone else who is shy about complaining .

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