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ptosisposted 6 years ago
Trump and all his family, cronies, and sycophants are not going to sleep much this weekend, wondering which one of them will be indicted and for what.

Plans were prepared Friday for anyone charged to be taken into custody as soon as Monday.

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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  OMG.........You mean it's illegal to speak to a foreign nation ?
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  colorfuloneposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Unless it's an indictment of Fusion GPS individuals or Clinton campaign staff who did collusion with Russia, Mueller needs to be fired!
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Neither Mueller nor Comey are capable of anything by partisan and political maneuvering , mostly for the benefit of democratic pandering and self-serving means .
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  ptosisposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  
  Riddle me this Batman;
  Aug. 2, Russian Sanctions signed by tRump after overwhelming been passed by Congress has been eviscerated by the State Dept. closing of the Coordinator for Sanctions Policy office, which led to non-enforcement of the law to produce the list of Russian entities by Oct.1
  
  The Coordinator for Sanctions Policy office, which had been led by a veteran ambassador-rank diplomat with at least a staff of five, is now to be handled by one mid-level official — David Tessler.
  
  What does that tell you?
  
  What do you make of these developments?
  
  Do you think perhaps there will be continuing Russian Sanctions foot-dragging by the tRump Admin in the future?
  
  Why is the tRump Admin reluctant to impose any sanctions on Russia?
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  "Why is the tRump Admin reluctant to impose any sanctions on Russia?"
  
  LOL Probably because Russia has far more dirt, of the same type, on the US. A sanction war isn't going to do anybody any good.
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  ptosisposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  'Probably' = speculation without any basis
  
  reluctance to impose Russian Sanctions = speculation basis on reality facts.
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry. But if you wanted an absolute answer rather than an opinion or possibility you'll have to go to the horses mouth and ask that admin. And then believe what you're told, which might be a tad difficult.
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  ptosisposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  You must be spilling your coffee all over your keyboard due to laughing so much.
  I'm glad I brought a smile to your face with my entertaining posts.
  
  Off/topic but funny -
  
  After the president spent the 96th day of his presidency visiting one of his own properties in the last 10 months, a woman cyclist, successfully gave the president the middle finger at POTUS car when stopped at a traffic light.
  hahahahahahahahahaha!
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Your own party has determined that yes , Russians tried to influence our election , No they were unable to effect one vote , one voting machine or ANY outcome whatsoever .....................fact.
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  crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  This is certainly liberal payback. Well-known liberal Trey Gowdy has insisted that Mueller's credentials are unimpeachable. You can't get any worse than that.
  
  And conspiracy against the United States isn't really so bad. Who cares?
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  crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  You might also remember that Mueller was appointed by the Trump administration - Rod Rosenstein, the Assistant Attorney General, who did so after Jeff Sessions recused himself.
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colorfuloneposted 6 years ago
Rumors: Podesta Group and Manafort might be indicted.
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ahorsebackposted 6 years ago
You all are seriously looking for any value in a US , Russian investigation involving ......................anything but ?

Russia's perpetual propaganda machine ?

I mean .....still?

wow !
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Weren't you one of those people who pooh-poohed the Flynn investigation? I think you were. What do you think about the indictments so far? I'll wait till next week for Fox News or Rush Limbaugh to tell you what to think if you like.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  The biggest problem that Clinton supporters have and will never admit to IS that all the Clinton / Russian connections are and have been right in front of you in black and white in the media and in their political pasts as well . Fact . Look them up yourselves.
  
  Interesting that the Clinton owned liberal media is now throwing her under the bus.
  
  This dossier provided by Russian nationalists and leaked ,lock ,stock and barrel by the incredibly liberal media cannot be denied now either .It in itself is very telling , While the media , Clinton , and all her supporters are still in total meltdown about her election loss , the truths about the liberals bias of the Mueller and Comey "investigations has Also been in the media for the last year .
  
  Why do liberals try to re-write history from day to day ?
  You cannot invent fact day to day and then deny them all tomorrow.
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  ptosisposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, but this was years ago, ROTFL
  
  George Papadopoulos, the 30-year-old foreign policy adviser, was arrested in July and pleaded guilty earlier, he lied abouton numerous occasions, about when he tried to negotiate a meeting with either Trump or campaign officials and "members of President Putin's office" as well as the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
  
  Gates, 45, and Manafort, 68, are accused of conspiracy, money laundering, failing to register as foreign agents and making false statements to investigators — even while they worked for Trump's presidential campaign.
  
  Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 4h hours ago
  Sorry, but this is years ago, before Paul Manafort was part of the Trump campaign. But why aren't Crooked Hillary & the Dems the focus?????
  
  Haha yea "this dude was a criminal for years before we hired him" is an excellent defense!
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ptosisposted 6 years ago
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  The sad part is that liberal ideology of last twenty years , Obama / Holder /Clinton have so corrupted the entire justice system as to render any scene or outcome like the above picture useless and Any outcome of the investigation going on now as pointless .
  
  Who would believe anything that the Mueller "investigation " DOES reveal ?
  Who would believe anything Comey revealed ?
  Who has ANY faith in the DOJ to begin with ?
  Who believes the Clinton's didn't both leave their DNA on Putin?
  
  I actually hope that Trump did meet with the Russians and it's revealed , because it's ramifications can't equal the present mindless political obstruction going on in our culture, our media and our political climate .
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  ptosisposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  12 counts including conspiracy to launder money, conspiracy against the U.S., unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading statements surrounding the Foreign Agents Registration Act , false statements and seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts.
  http://docs.cbsnews.com/17/Manafort_Gat … dacted.pdf
  
  Bu- bu- but HILARYIIIIIEEEEEE!
  
  Give it up Horsey, it's pointless.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Trump fired Comey didn't he ? Do you really believe this is anything but liberal pay-back .....?
  
  Silly you !
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  RJ Schwartzposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  but NOTHING related to President Trump - this has gotta be the most expensive indictment in US History, and for what? Sore losers on the other side create a false narrative, push it through to the mainstream through the media, create all sorts of "what if's" and hope something would stick....well nothing stuck and the Democrats look even more petty and vindictive.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Ptosis ,You know , we can all use snide names to politically converse ; believe me I've been in forums for awhile , I've heard them all related to my name , ......when you can offer up fact , direct political debate , or ideological conversation stronger than name calling ...............get back to me .
  
  Otherwise I'm done debating with children.
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ahorsebackposted 6 years ago
Can anyone spell .........Political Obstructionism ?

One more liberal thrust at the heart of the political outsider Trump , simple .
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  Paul Wingerttposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  This coming from the orange man-baby cheerleader. When will trumptards admit they've been punk'd.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Ummmm, .......perhaps when liberals admit to ALWAYS being lead around and lied to ?
  Still that Hilary man huh ?
  
  How's that working /
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  crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  How is it political obstructionism when the administration fired Comey and appointed Mueller? Why not just fire Mueller then?
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly , like all primarily democratic /administrative supporters , I've never had faith in Mueller . Trump has already insinuated firing him too , good for Trump .
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  crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Comey was a Republican. Most law enforcement people tend to be Republicans. It wouldn't surprise me if Mueller is a Republican.
  
  Mueller has the confidence of Trey Gowdy, among others. That's about as Republican as you get. Remember, Trey Gowdy was the one going after Clinton for Benghazi. How much more Republican can you get? And he has confidence in Muller's integrity, saying it's beyond question.
  
  And Mueller didn't make this decision on his own. A Grand Jury indicted these people. Manafort was Trump's campaign manager. So are you saying Manafort was a lone wolf or that Trump simply didn't know what he was up to?
  
  They are charged with committing conspiracy with the United States. Anybody with even a mild streak of patriotism should be appalled.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Comey , Mueller .......republicans , right ?..........Please.
  
  These two are both self serving political ladder climbers in love with camera's ,They know no loyalties nor affiliations other than who pay's at the moment .
  There are still no Trump ties .
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  crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  The indictments came from a grand jury. Do you even know how the justice system works?
  
  And the fact that Manafort was the CHAIRMAN OF TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN is, by definition, a tie to Trump.
  
  This is very much like climate change. There can be all the data in the world, but if Fox News suggests it's snowing somewhere, THERE'S NO CLIMATE CHANGE!
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  They were charged with laundering money and not reporting a quite legal arrangement with the Ukraine. Not conspiracy - there is no hint of conspiracy, except conspiring to commit tax fraud.
  
  It's quite doubtful that Trump had any idea of what Manafort had done years prior to the campaign. If the US government, with all its resources, didn't know, how can a private citizen be expected to?
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  crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Here's the indictment:
  
  https://www.documentcloud.org/documents … unsel.html
  
  I'd also like to submit that the earth revolves around the sun, yet I know that 25% of Republicans do not believe that, so I'm sure I'll get an argument.
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Can you point to, or quote, the part where he is indicted for "committing conspiracy with the United States"? I can't find it.
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  GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Unless I misunderstood your "with" to be a typo Wilderness, here is the "Conspiracy against the United States charge;
  
  "...Damn! The pdf wouldn't let me copy and paste!
  
  Here is the link. The relevant section is on page 23. To paraphrase, it said that he knowingly and intentionally conspired to defraud the United States by impeding, impairing, and obstructing the lawful governmental functions of a government agency, namely the Dept. of Justice and the Dept.of Treasury, and to wit, the violations charged in counts three through six, and ten through twelve.
  
  You can get the specifics from the same link referenced.
  
  GA
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  ptosisposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Important point, yes, but you already know that Manafort will be leveraged to 'sing', don't matter if done years before, during or after, it's a dirty deal all the way around.
  
  Months before candidate Donald Trump asked Russia to “find” Hillary Clinton's missing private server emails — a statement the campaign later called a joke — a Russian operative told a campaign aide "the Russians had emails of Clinton," according to a plea agreement released Monday.
  
  In the first guilty plea of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation, George Papadopoulos admitted lying to the FBI about contact with Russian agents that offered the campaign "thousands" of damaging emails about Clinton.
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  The question is whether he will tell the truth while singing, or lie to the FBI (ala Papadopoulos) and invent dirt on Trump in return for a better deal?
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  GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I can certainly see the possibilities of your inference Wilderness, but, I am of the mind that he won't be able to BS his way out of this. As in, if he does try to 'cooperate' it will have to be factual and not just circumstantial.
  
  So, if there is dirt to be turned, I don't think it will be invented.
  
  GA
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  VanessaJanesposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with this. An investigation of this magnitude would not rely solely upon the words of a witness. Corroborating evidence will he sought before a witness is taken at face value.
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  crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  What proof is there that Papadopolous lied? Sounds like an assumption. But if you have evidence, I would be willing to read it and learn.
  
  I listened to a former U.S. Attorney General this morning who said that it's likely there is a lot more to this and that it wouldn't be surprising if Papadopolous admitted guilt and wore a wire to incriminate others. So far, I've seen Trump surrogates say that they don't care that Papadopolous was indicted because he wasn't important, so they should have nothing to worry about because he had contact with nobody, despite the fact that Trump mentioned him by name when he was hired.
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  GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe we both should check with our friend Google, Crankilicious. I read that Papodoupolus had admitted to lying, and already pleaded guilty to charges of doing so.
  
  However, I think the reference to lying in regards to cooperation was directed at Manafort and Gates.
  
  GA
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  It was - the reference to Papodoupolus was nothing more than an indication that people DO lie to the FBI.
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  crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  GA,
  
  Nope. The interview I heard basically said that Papadopoulos' admission was a possible indication that he had been working with the FBI and had incriminating information on others. It's just a theory though.
  
  I should also note that I read more information indicating that Steve Bannon is pushing Trump to fight back against Mueller and possibly fire him or push Congress to defund the investigation.
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  GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Well, regarding the push back or firing, history has a vivid lesson on that - Pres. Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre, the Firing of Special Prosecutor Cox. I hope that even Pres. Trump wouldn't be blind to that lesson.
  
  GA
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Are you predicting what Trump would do when pushed into a corner, GA? He isn't the brightest bulb on the Xmas tree you know!
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  How smug liberals are when it comes to assumptions that they really know how to forum, trump is way smarter than the average response like this. Thats for sure.
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  We'll find out how smart he is, Horse. I don't think he can match wits with Mueller though.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  He was instrumental in hiring Mueller , so how do you consider him an enemy to him , other than what Msnbc , CNN tells you to believe ? Don't forget , Trump can fire almost anyone for any or no reason . Apparently above the obstructionist's knowing is that Trump has as much to positive to gain from the investigation .
  
  They are all at the presidents disposal.
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  GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  No Randy, As tempting as such predictions might be, I will keep my hands in my pockets in that area.
  
  GA
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  crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I know everyone has been saying that there's no proof of collusion. I'm not even sure that's the question anymore. The question is whether or not Trump and his team were compromised by Russian agents. Listened to a former CIA agent yesterday and he was saying how it's a practice of his tradecraft to offer these low level meetings, suck participants in, and then compromise them down the road. Very interesting perspective with scary ramifications.
  
  Also, didn't Trump say Papadopolous was low-level?
  
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  See .........there you go thinking like a democrat again .
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  GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  That worked out well for Nixon didn't it?
  
  GA
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Two far , far different era's my friend . Today ; expecting Trump to climb on the helicopter giving the "wave " like tricky Dick ?
  
  Skin's a little thicker all around ,me thinks .
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  GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Come on ahorseback, two different eras?
  
  Same action - fire the sheriff about to arrest you. Sarcasm would be some kind of statement like; ""Sure, I see the difference." but an honest reply would be to ask if you really can't see the similarities.
  
  I would say that a Trump action against Mueller would bring more Watergate Saturday Night Massacre references than Google could index, in less time than it takes to say "You gotta be kiddin' me!"
  
  One thing is for sure. My opinion is that if such an action were to occur, Trump's fundamental base, (the ones that wouldn't waver if he shot someone on Main Street - or whatever that quote was), would be the only segment of our society that would support him. The rest of us, including the ones that are rooting for him to "drain the swamp," and bring the establishment change that their votes asked him to do, will jump ship quicker than a new special counsel can be appointed.
  
  Geesh, you really would support such an action in this political environment? Geesh!
  
  GA
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psycheskinnerposted 6 years ago
Being an undisclosed highly-paid foreign agent while holding government office is certainly within spitting distance of a conspiracy charge. Every single person who broke the law should get charged no matter what their affiliation is. I don't see "they other guys might have done it too" as any kind of excuse. Prosecute the lot of them.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Would that include both of the Clinton's too ?
  
  See how it all works .
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ptosisposted 6 years ago
"Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible, but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary." - Reinhold Niebuhr
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