Can you spot the differences in these two prayers?

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   PlanksandNailsposted 11 years ago

   Can you spot the differences in these two prayers?
   
   Two versions of prayer.
   
   
   NIV: Father, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread.
   Forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us, and lead us not into
   temptation.
   
   KJV: Our Father which art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come,
   Thy will be done, as in Heaven, so in earth. Give us day by day our daily bread. And forgive us
   our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but
   deliver us from evil.
   
   Can you make the distinctions that these two prayers are not the same?

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   ExpectGreatThingsposted 11 years ago

   I don't want to start an argument, but my NIV says:
   
   Our Father in heaven,
   hallowed be your name,
   your kingdom come,
   your will be done,
   on earth as it is in heaven.
      Give us today our daily bread.
      And forgive us our debts,
   as we also have forgiven our debtors.
      And lead us not into temptation,
       but deliver us from the evil one.

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      PlanksandNailsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry, I did not mention that the verses I was referencing are Luke 11:2-4 in the NIV and KJV.

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      ExpectGreatThingsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Well that makes more sense. I will not attempt to defend the Bible. It does that well enough on its own My NIV footnotes say that some manuscripts add the parts that are "missing" between the two versions.

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      PlanksandNailsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You may be interested in this teaching.     
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMamP3_rubU

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   Lady Guinevereposted 11 years ago

   http://www.thenazareneway.com/lords_prayer.htm
   
   Our Father-Mother Who art above and within:
   Hallowed be Thy Name in twofold Trinity.
   In Wisdom, Love and Equity Thy Kingdom come to all.
   Thy will be done, As in Heaven so in Earth.
   Give us day by day to partake of Thy holy Bread, and the fruit of the living Vine.
   As Thou dost forgive us our trespasses, so may we forgive others who trespass against us.
   Shew upon us Thy goodness, that to others we may shew the same.
   In the hour of temptation, deliver us from evil.
   Amun.
   
   The Prayer To Our Father
   (translated into first century Aramaic)
   Abwûn
   "Oh Thou, from whom the breath of life comes,
   d'bwaschmâja
   who fills all realms of sound, light and vibration.
   Nethkâdasch schmach
   May Your light be experienced in my utmost holiest.
   Têtê malkuthach.
   Your Heavenly Domain approaches.
   Nehwê tzevjânach aikâna d'bwaschmâja af b'arha.
   Let Your will come true - in the universe (all that vibrates)
   just as on earth (that is material and dense).
   Hawvlân lachma d'sûnkanân jaomâna.
   Give us wisdom (understanding, assistance) for our daily need,
   Waschboklân chaubên wachtahên aikâna
   daf chnân schwoken l'chaijabên.
   detach the fetters of faults that bind us, (karma)
   like we let go the guilt of others.
   Wela tachlân l'nesjuna
   Let us not be lost in superficial things (materialism, common temptations),
   ela patzân min bischa.
   but let us be freed from that what keeps us off from our true purpose.
   Metol dilachie malkutha wahaila wateschbuchta l'ahlâm almîn.
   From You comes the all-working will, the lively strength to act,
   the song that beautifies all and renews itself from age to age.
   Amên.
   Sealed in trust, faith and truth.
   (I confirm with my entire being)
   
   Lords Prayer
   Translation by Neil Douglas-Klotz in Prayers of the Cosmos
   O Birther! Father- Mother of the Cosmos
   Focus your light within us - make it useful.
   Create your reign of unity now-
   through our fiery hearts and willing hands
   Help us love beyond our ideals
   and sprout acts of compassion for all creatures.
   Animate the earth within us: we then
   feel the Wisdom underneath supporting all.
   Untangle the knots within
   so that we can mend our hearts' simple ties to each other.
   Don't let surface things delude us,
   But free us from what holds us back from our true purpose.
   Out of you, the astonishing fire,
   Returning light and sound to the cosmos.
         Amen.

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      celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      more nonscriptural foolishness

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      PlanksandNailsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Neil Douglas-Klotz is a practicing Sufi Mystic. This is not an interpretation, but a New Age reinterpretation.

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      graceinusposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      celafoe- I'm with you on this one.

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      Lady Guinevereposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus was a Nazarene and this is from a site that is about HIS teachigs and the transcript from the scrolls.  I am sorry u can't accept the truth.from original manuscript. Jesus was called NEW AGE back then too. I don't care what you believe.

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   celafoeposted 11 years ago

   I dont know where you want to go with this as neither are correct.   The first is missing 1/2 and the 2nd is not worded correctly.and is missing  some.
   I wonder is that what you wondered, how many would see they are both incomplete.
   I had to look up the "newest (until they change it again) NIV in the internet as I threw mine away a long time ago.

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      PlanksandNailsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The verses are quoted from Luke 11:2-4, not from Matthew 6. The KJV verses are quoted from the Cambridge Edition.

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      days leaperposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Why do they keep changing it?
      Isn't it a case of say what Jesus recommended his Disciples to say, rather than what the congregation thinks he should've said?

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      celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      days-- cause that is what liberals do as they evolve

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      PlanksandNailsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      With each new modern version of the "Bible" that comes out, is a piece by piece destruction of the Word of God.

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   IDONOposted 11 years ago

   If anyone is so concerned about the wording and what edition it came from, the prayer is not from the heart. So, why bother? There is a big difference between saying a prayer and reciting one. If you believe in God, you understand that he cares what's in your heart; not what comes out of your mouth. God always understands.

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      PlanksandNailsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Our prayers should align with God's will; otherwise, they will be soulish in nature, "for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh."

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