To be inclusive should we open our borders to all who would enter?

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   cjhunsingerposted 9 years ago

   To be inclusive should we open our borders to all who would enter?
   
   Recently it has been suggested that the USA must embrace all who would enter our country in order to embrace a global family, Would such an action contribute to world peace or the destruction of America. "We are all Americans -- north and south in this hemisphere," Nancy Pelosi asserts that such a path is the correct one. Is she correct, in that, the USA is irrelevant and border sovereignty an obstacle to unity? .

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   peeplesposted 9 years ago

   Yes, and we should open the borders of every other country in the world. Why does anyone need to track anyone? Lets all just live in one big giant free world and stop controlling everyone!! Once in a country, each person should have to abide by the laws in place (not the immigration part all that should disappear in all countries). Worried about them eating up too much welfare? Limit the amount of welfare or the amount of time one must live in the country before collecting. Better yet, reform welfare so no one gets it unless they pass a drug test and are actively seeking employment (if not disabled). The money saved there would easily pay for immigrant once they had documented proof of being here for at least one year. Why is there a need for "My My My" mentality? Why can't we be a world of "We We We" All live together, work together, and enjoy the entire world together! I know... Ideal world isn't going to happen, well it could but we would have to blow up half the world first, and I'm not sure if that would help anything since we've been doing that for 50 years with no success. Ugh sorry. That was a bit of a rant, but I think you see my stance!

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      cjhunsingerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      peeples- A beautiful sentiment, but sadly there are those who simply want to destroy you. There are borders for the same reason you have locked doors on your house.

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   Sri Tposted 9 years ago

   On the one hand, nobody really owns the earth. Just like nobody owns the sun or the moon or any of the other planets. The whole universe belongs to everybody. The earth is here for everybody and every animal that lives on it. However, everybody will not abide by the same standards. Some people want to do things a certain way that may be outdated or religious. Others want to become as advanced as possible even going towards outer space. Some people are against the material world. Some people just want the rewards, houses, cars etc. but don't want to get the education, build up over years or obtain things legally. Some people want to attack others who are doing well. Some people reject the American culture but want their money and toys. They don't want to follow the rules of the USA. And there are honest people who want a better life and they know their country is too restricted or has an oppressive government who won't let them have a good life. Their country has no interest in technology or education. With all that plus more issues, I would say that territories are necessary for the simple reason that everybody will not abide by the rules of the land. Other countries have egos too. They may be 50 years behind in technology, education etc. and yet they think they have a better system. The leader should be able to demonstrate why his ideas are better. If America didn't have a better system, why do so many people try to escape their country and come here? America could set up the same system anywhere. It all depends on the laws of the land and a strong desire for improvement.

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      cjhunsingerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Sri T--Very well said. I would only add that there are those who, for whatever reason, simply want to destroy a mindset and a way of life and all the hand holding will not change that.

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   LandmarkWealthposted 9 years ago

   Yes and No. A sovereign nation should certainly protect it's borders.  And the USA is a sovereign nation.  In the US during the early 1900's and the industrial evolution there really was no immigration policy.  We largely had open borders. However, we also did not have a massive set of entitlement programs.  When my grandparents came from Sicily, there was no Medicaid, supplemental income or any other program.  The incentive to come was for economic freedom, which they had never really had.
   
   Today is a bit different.  Far too many people who come here are immediately placed on social entitlements which are already on a fiscally unsustainable path.  The assimilation process into American culture is not expected as it once was.  My grandfather insisted that only English was spoken in his house at the dinner table. He was an American first. And he wanted his kids to raised as Americans, with American culture. He was an Italian American, my father became an American Italian. Today...I am just an American. Today too many groups have 2nd and 3rd generations that have not embraced American culture and still barely speak English.  The other issue is also national security threats, which we are all intimately familiar with.
   
   Immigration is good for the country when it is done in a controlled manner, and we can keep track of who is coming into the country, what skill sets they offer and what their intentions may be.  If you don't have a degree of immigration, and you couple that with an aging population...you can run into many of the economic problems Japan is experiencing at the moment due to their poor demographic trends.  But this must be done in concert with both national security concerns and entitlement reforms.  Although I have no confidence that with be the case anytime soon.
   
   But to assume we can't take everyone in is somewhat misleading.  We can...as long as they are coming here to be economically productive self sufficient citizens, in which case they are more than paying for themselves.   And I think that most people come here with that intent. The Kaufman index for Entrepreneurship shows foreigners are 40% more likely to start their own business.  The problem isn't necessarily the people who are coming here as much as it is the political figures who look to undermine their ambition, dump them on social entitlements & make them wards of the state for a guaranteed vote.  Which leads to unproductive behavior and generations of gov't dependency.

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