Where in the bible does the New Testament actually begin.

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   celafoeposted 9 years ago

   Where in the bible does the New Testament actually begin.
   
   the  man made outlines and delineations in most bibles show a starting place of the New Testament.  BUT are they correct?

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   Rich kelleyposted 9 years ago

   James, a bondservant of God and of the
   Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes which are
   scattered abroad: Greetings. My brethren, count
   it all joy when you fall into various trials,
   knowing that the testing of your faith produces
   patience.
   
   About 50AD

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      Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Charlie
      I have the NKJV New Testament with chapters verses etc removed also arrange in the order written on my computer. If you would like a copy let me know via hub pages.
      Rich

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      celafoeposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      rich- I thought I asked for it before   yes please

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      Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Hub pages e-mail isn't working
      richkelleysbg@gmail.com

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   jansharesposted 9 years ago

   The New Testament begins with the 4 Gospels or Books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. All the bible versions I've used show this so I assume it's correct. But there are many versions of bibles over time, some with different Books so it depends. But my understanding that the New Testament begins with Matthew, I believe is correct.

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      celafoeposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      yes that is what the churches of men teach but it is  incorrect and totally wrong and is the  reason for much confusion among those professing to be christian

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      jansharesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks, Charlie. I'll do more research for myself on that.

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      celafoeposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      JLE-   bless you as you strive to know all Truth

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   chevyssbowtieposted 9 years ago

   I say 33 AD, when the Church was born in Acts 2.

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      Zelkiiroposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      You do know the earliest of the New Testament books, the Gospel of Mark, was written in ~70 AD, right? That means your date is off by quite a lot.

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      chevyssbowtieposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      It doesnt matter when the letters to the Churches were written, the Church was born in 33 AD, so that would be the beginning of the NT. The time the letters were written is not the beginning of the NT.

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      Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      There is a difference between the new covenant in my blood and the new testament in writing, The NT was arranged large to small for the most part, not order written. The New Covenant happen when Christ said it is finished (the old covenant).

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      graceinusposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Don't for get in Act 1:3 where it explain that for 40 after Jesus raised from the dead Jesus continue teaching the Kingdom message until a few days before Pentecost. Which Jesus was taken up to heaven seven days before Pentecost 50 days after death.

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      celafoeposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      the exact scripture where the NT begins are MT 27:50-51  MK 15:37-38,  Luke 23:44,  and Jn 19:29.   anything before these dates is under the OT LAW.          It we FULLY implimented on the day of pentecost..
      This is very important.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Charlie:  Amen, Amen, & Amen!  FULLY IMPLEMENTED!

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   SirDentposted 9 years ago

   The new covenant began when Jesus spoke it.  Mark 14:22-24  And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.  And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.  And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
   
   The Holy Bible is a book of history and redemption.  The new covenant was prophesied about in Jeremiah chapter 31:31  Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

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      celafoeposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      actually  this is also incorrect.   another of the teachings of the confused churches of men.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Sir Dent:  "Fully Implemented" on the Day of Pentecost!  Can't go any other way according to Scripture! Commanded "to wait" for It Acts 1:4 & It came Acts 2:2 fulfilling Jer 31:33;Heb 8:10;10:16! Thereby "fully implementing!"

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   graceinusposted 9 years ago

   Good question celafoe.
   
   The new Testament did not begin until Jesus actual death on the cross. There are two verses in Hebrews that that answers your question perfectly.
   
   Hebrews 9:16-17 (KJV) which states: 16 For where a testament is, there must also of nescessity be the DEATH of the TESTATOR.17 For a testament is in force AFTER men are DEAD; otherwise it is of no STRENGHT at all WHILE  THE TESTATOR LIVETH.
   
   These two verses prove that the New Testament could only of started at the moment of the death of Jesus. Jesus was the TESTATOR of the New Testament.Therefore , this is proof that Jesus lived only in the time of Old Covenant (Testament).
   
   Therefore the New Testament started the very moment or point Jesus did on the cross.
   
   God Bless

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      Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Graceinus
      The same offer I made to Charlie applies to you as well
      Rich

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      graceinusposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Rich- That would be nice, thank you.

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      Ericdierkerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Are the terms "New Testament" and "New Covenant" the same?

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      chevyssbowtieposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      That is a good point graceinus, but it was still 33AD and the Church was born 50 days after Jesus' death. And the NT message was first preached by Peter that is when the NT began after the death of the Testator.

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      graceinusposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      chvyssbowtie- Regardless of the number of days it took for the Apostles to preach the message after Jesus death, the New Testament was in effect at the moment of Jesus death. The number of day it took for the birth of the (ecclesia) does not matter.

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      Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Eric, diathēkē is translated in the KJV 14 times as testament and 20 times as covenant, in the NASB 34 times as covenant, so it could go either way.
      Rich

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      chevyssbowtieposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      The Testators new testament was not delivered the moment He died it was delivered 50 days after His death. It was put into peters hands to open the NT door.

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      graceinusposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      chevysbowtie- You are right, but I didn't say it was delievered to the apostles upon Jesus death. I am saying the New Testament went into EFFECT at his death. When it was delievered to the apostles is a seperate issue.Jesus had to die to take effect.

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      celafoeposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Grace -  absolutely 100% correct

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       chevyssbowtieposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Ok, got it, your right, at His death and fully implemented at Pentecost!

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       Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Graceinus
       I'm not getting an e-mail from you to send the NKJV
       richkelleysbg@gmail.com

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       graceinusposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Rich- I just sent you an e-mail. Looking forward to hearing from you.

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       celafoeposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       GRACE-  I have sent you 5-6 emails with no answer   is yours still broken?

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       graceinusposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       celafoe- I have not received any e-mail from you through Hubpage. I will send you an e-mail and it will have my correct address.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Charlie: God knows "the heart!" You can't "delete" that!

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   Michael-Milecposted 9 years ago

   In that one "book', many books collections someone has put together in certain order according perhaps best knowledge or leading by the "spirit". Mostly, what " public" is reading as translation of original languages, often injected  by controversial phrases, not overpowering the 'original' truth and a power of God's direct Word. That what is spoken by Christ-the Anointed One, will continue to be so according to His promise to build His House of the "outcalled ones", (Matt.16:18), and as He has promised to dwell within "them" (John 14:17.18) - the ( followers/believers/ disciples), coming back in powerful force on the fiftieth day to live in the "house"  of  the obedient ones (John 14:23)  just to continue manifesting presence of the kingdom of God uninterruptedly as we read (Acts10:38) -- which was so obviously related to His very Anointing that the outsiders called his followers " anointedians" = CHRIST-IANOS ( Acts 11:26).

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   Norine Williamsposted 9 years ago

   Under the New Covenant (Contract), Jesus "offered" the gift of the Holy Spirit in John 14:26 and John 16:13.  Under any contract, an "offer" is not effective until "received!"  Therefore, the New Testament (or Covenant) was not "received" until the Day of Pentecost in Acts 2:2 when the New Testament (Covenant) went into effect.
   
   Why do you think Jesus commanded them to "...not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard from me?"  (John 14:26 and 16:13.)  He was "fulfilling" his "good faith promise" under the New Covenant (Contract)!  The Contract was not "fulfilled" when He died on the cross!  The Contract began, but was not finalized!  How can anything be effective and not finalized? 
   
   We all know that the Holy Spirit is "offered" to everyone, but not all "receive!"
   
   Check contract law!

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      Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      John 14:26  But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.That is why He told them to wait, the answer is in scripture not contract law

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