The U.S.Cannot "Legally" Deport Anyone. Did You Know Why?

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   wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years ago

   The U.S.Cannot "Legally" Deport Anyone. Did You Know Why?
   
   All actions now being taken against so-called "illegals" are themselves illegal actions. Why? Because what constitutes the U.S. is primarily stolen property!  The law clearly states: "It is a crime to purchase or accept property that you know or believe was obtained through theft. " The gov. knows this land is stolen. Thus, they have no right of ownership. It follows that they have no say who lives on this land. The only authority they have is the authority of a thief. This is a case that can be won in court. The gov. must abide by the same laws as the citizen.
   
   

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   lovemychrisposted 7 years ago

   now that would be interesting....if someone actually took that to court. honestly, its a debate that needs to happen. i mean, i love the usa....it was truly the beacon of hope for my family only 3 generation ago. but, those whose land was stolen....can it still be ok, even though its centuries later? or does that make it even worse, that its gone on for centuries?
   i know for fact, treaties were broken. i know for fact, people and animals were slaughtered.
   i know the first nations are still here....omg!!! this debate really needs to happen.
   we need to open all the floodgates....now, before its too late

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Here's how it works: I go to your house and steal everything you've got, kill a couple of your kids, and your dog. Then I pass a bunch of laws after the fact making what I did illegal. I claim the law doesn't apply to me because it didn't exist.

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      lovemychrisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      yes...could it actually stand up under our law??!!!

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I think a clever group of lawyers could at least get the ball rolling. White Americans are suffering as well as minorities. Until we confront and remedy the past, it will only get worse for everyone.

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      lovemychrisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      totally agree. and its not morality, religion or right and wrong! its scientific law of universe. every acton creates a re-action. the bad actions must be remedied to reverse the bad re-actions. simple!

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   Alternative Primeposted 7 years ago

   
   
   Almost everything "Hair PLUGz Trump" has done throughout his PATHETIC ANTI-American PRO-Russia Life could be considered Illegal, Unlawful, CORRUPT or Shady, WHY should his BRIEF Illegitimate Tenure in OUR White House be any different ?? YES, "Deportation" of Human Beings living in the United States is Questionable at the very least and "Delusional Donald" is rapidly finding out via "Juris-Prudence Adjudication", that he and his NAZI Website Operators, "Kellyann CLOWN-Way", Half PINT Preibus & his entire GRIFTER Family do not have the Inherent RIGHT to DRAFT Executive ORDERs at will ~
   
   In his brief chaotic tenure, "Delusional Donald" & his NEW Repugnantkin Cohorts have succeeded in Dramatically Degrading the United States & the WORLD ~ An Accomplishment which Vladimir Putin & any HOSTILE Terrorist Group would approve of ~ The GOOD News? The RESISTANCE Against him is GROWING by the Minute & all these Destructive, ANTI-American E-ORDERs he's gleefully signing will be deemed INVALID, Unenforceable & Nullified by OUR Courts as UNLAWFUL, Unconstitutional or Executed by a Mentally Incompetent Pseudo-President ~ Deportation, Banning Religious Groups, Mercury & Poison DUMPING in OUR Waterways, Excessive Carbon Pollution have all been AUTHORIZED by "Delusional Donald" and all have been REVERSED or should be REVERSED by OUR Courts ~

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      LOL! Yes, Trump sure knows how to pick a scab, add insult to injury, and lead us three steps closer to oblivion. Of course, Alex Jones (Trumps pivot man) feels Trump was ordained by God to save us from the tyranny of the globalists.

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   SherrieWeynandposted 7 years ago

   Thought provoking question! Is deportation illegal?  I'm sure there are a few savvy attorneys out there who could at least provide a good argument for that point. Someone needs to get on this and see what they can do. That would be interesting.

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      lovemychrisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      wouldnt it be funny if the indigenous tribes started deporting europeans?? right now....the numbers just might be on their side. if all non-whites got involved.

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      The government is adept at using "the law" to oppress the average citizen. Yes, it's a long shot, but let's not forget the successful "Twinkie Defense". It can be done. We can use their own weapon against them.

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      SherrieWeynandposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      What we need to find is a Native American attorney or a Tribal court willing to do so.

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      lovemychrisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      have the mexicans do it. when trump tries to deport them, have them bring the case...this is not your land to begin with.

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      Terrielynn1posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Yes dear that's a very interesting thought.I have friends from many nations.To me North American wouldn't be the same without all of us.There are just too many bigots and trump supporters to get very far with this though.It's like the man with 2 face

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      lovemychrisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      yes. they think women and people with darker pigment skin are only good for service. serving the white male sperm and their comfort needs. landscaping, picking their crops, cleaning, bearing the sacred seed to fruition...mind? ha! go watch oreilly.

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      A mass deportation of whites back to their homeland would lead to mass suicide.There are still many whites who can't get over the notion of black men with white women. Can you imagine the utter hopelessness they would feel if we took back Manhattan?

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      lovemychrisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      id love to get out of here..if only circumstances warrented it, id be gone. have no desire to relive horrible situations of the past.and its getting where i cant stand these people who voted for trump..contempt is getting harder to silence. coworkers

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   Ivan Todposted 7 years ago

   What happens if the courts do give the land back to the indigenous North Americans?  Do they also give South Africa back to the blacks? Australia back to the Aborigines? And what about Kuwait? It's actually an original part of the Iraqi land mass. Israel was taken from the Canannites by force as well. Unfortunately, this world and it's resources belong to whomever can take and hold onto it and as such no court in any of the respective countries will "give it back" to the previous occupants. Especially when, in the minds of the aggressors, their actions were "providence" driven. See, you're not only fighting the results of evil actions but gods apparent desire that certain races prevail over others.
   
   Yes, it is illegal in America to possess or transfer stolen anything but you have to understand that America, it's constitution, courts and mindset are all predicated on the belief in Manifest Destiny through said providence, therefore, in the eyes of America's legal system, the land was not stolen but was in fact "theirs" to be claimed all along.
   
   As history shows, the present confirms and the future will most likely prove once and for all, the only real way to "re-acquire" country-sized land masses is through direct military assault. So, as terrible as it is, authority is where you supplant it.

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Many illegals are of Indigenous heritage.Allowing them to remain is a practical form of "giving back". Tyranny requires acceptance, and Americans have accepted it. Disobedience is the path to freedom. Even a God cannot exist without believers.

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      SherrieWeynandposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Now ask the question, does a god exist or are the believers simply following an ancient tale designed to create followers, oppressing them into a way of thinking. Such as the past and current governments continue to do worldwide. It's all a means of

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      Ivan Todposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      "Even a God cannot exist without believers."
      Well now, that is the crux of the matter, even with the current widespread notion that muslims are terrorist and terrorists are muslim. The whole world has lost its mind. The big question is why.

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I write music because I have an inexplicable need to create. Without it I have no purpose. It follows that a creative force would thrive on the attention of its creation, and if imagined also requires the same to exist, if only in theory.

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      Ivan Todposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      That reminds me of Aristotle's metaphysical idea that motion is a series of consecutive positions manifested thru individual thoughts which becomes the perceived external reality of movement. Mind Control 101; If they think it, it becomes real.

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I was not aware of that. A sobering thought that a man who lived over 2000 years ago was intellectually superior to the majority of modern men. He thought of wondrous things, whereas modern man appears to have lost the ability to think at all.

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      Ivan Todposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Fortunately, we haven't ALL been "dumbed down" by the powers that be. More importantly; their "methodology" for modern times is "misinformation" as opposed to the straight foward denial of thought itself..A much more dangerous and efficacious tactic

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   jackclee lmposted 7 years ago

   Your argument is moot. If you go back far enough in history, land was owned by many tribes and groups... so what? That is why through history, wars are fought over land and territory... and as a result, countries are formed with borders and immigration rules...going to the victor.
   We Americans are the owners of America until another war.
   We have a Constitution which all elected officials are sworn to obey and support and defend from foreign and domestic foe. Your statement put you contrary to our laws and makes you a foe. If you don't agree, you need to get enough people to vote for you or your compatriots. That is how democracy works.

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      lovemychrisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      eh,but if its gained illegally, it doesn't stand in court.they had treaties.they were broken. they committed outright slaughter of people and animals.not legal under any constitution,or rule of law. might makes right is no legal concept.its ideology

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      No Jack, that is how tyranny works. We, the proletariat, are all prisoners here, but unlike you I do not accept my slave status. But when you shed your skin, you will see that there is no such thing as an American.

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      jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      What slave status? There is no slavery in America and your perceived status is in your head not in our laws.
      Laws are made by people who represent us. We choose our leaders through elections. There is no tyranny here. Try running for Congress...

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      Alternative Primeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Firstly, YES there R "SLAVES" in America & they're called "WORKERS" ~ Secondly, the U.S. Constitution & Laws therein, is on "HOLD" due 2 the FACT that a TREASONOUS Pseudo-President named "DRUMPF" is in VIOLATION of said Document Right NOW

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Jack, if you are a working class person you have been a slave your entire life, but you don't know it. Every aspect of your life is controlled by the state. Your assets you never really own.You are a commodity and have been branded with a number.

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      jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Look up the definition of slavery. There is no such thing in US today.
      Yes there are still laves around the world in Africa and Asia... With regard to Trump, he was elected under or laws and just because you disagree with his policies doesn't change

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      SherrieWeynandposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      There are most certainly slaves here. Human trafficking is on the rise in the U.S., while most people associate it with the sex industry, forced labor is a close second when it comes to trafficking. Forced labor = slaves.

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      Alternative Primeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      What jack doesn't seem 2 understand is the FACT that when a Human Being is COMPELLED, Forced or REQUIRED 2 Work, as are most individuals, your FREEDOM is Abridged, Limited & RESTRICTED ~ U are a SLAVE & Trump is making things WORSE 4 U

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Jack: Also see Exec. Order 13603, the Patriot Act, and "Logans Law", recently passed by Michigan Senate making oral sex punishable by 15 years in prison. You are as free as a Canary in a Coalmine. These are just a few examples of this evil empire.

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       jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       No one is being forced... if illegals wants to come here and be exploited, it is their choice. If you choose to go into debt, you are enslaved by it, not anyone put a gun to your head. You owe the bank and you need to work to pay them off.

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       wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       Jack, I advocate a world without money. From each according to his ability, to each according to their need. I am good looking and intelligent.Thus I was born rich! Money is the yoke placed around my neck so that others may rule over me.

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       LoliHeyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       Jack - regarding this slavery thing today--some people just want to be victims.  I am not talking about sex slavery, which is, unfortunately, all over the world. "Oh, I'm so oppressed in America!"  Boo hoo.

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       wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       LTA, U don't even know how oppressed UR. Women have been trying since 1923 to pass the ERA. The Constitution doesn't guarantee equal rights 4 women. Yet you defend your own oppressors. Blindness is a high price to pay for happiness.

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       jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       Ronnie, you just quoted the communist manifesto of Karl Marx. Unfortunately, it does not work. History has proven this does not work. The reason is simple, it is contrary to human nature. I hope you understand that life is not what we wish it to be..

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       wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       Nothing has been proven. China, Russia and N.Korea are comb. of Socialist,Capitalist, and Fascist ideology. I am an Anarchist.Such a socio-political model has never existed in our historical record. Thus, U cannot say it doesn't work.

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       lovemychrisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       white women dont know theyre oppressed.52% of them voted for a p*ssy grabber.its because God is a white man,and women submit to men.we are so much free'er than soo many of our kind,but we still let a baffoon threaten a high level woman w jail.4 mafia

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       wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, it's called Stockholm Syndrome, Stepford Wives, and Masochistic. Of course there is another word that is rather unkind that I won't use. A sorry state of affairs when the victim defends the abuser.

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       jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       There is a long list of failed states like Cuba, Venezuela, Soviet Union, East Germany, North Korea, Greece... Even China has failed during the Mao years and the many 5 yrar plans. It only succeeded recently due to the allowance of private ownership.

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       Ivan Todposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       Jack Lee, your "go back far enough" argument is totally invalid as NO people "indigenous" to the Americas believed they "owned" the land. Thats a eurocentric ideology imposed on people who believed they lived congruently with nature. We own nothing.

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       wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       None of what you have mentioned are Anarchist  states. Do you even read before you comment? Game over Jack. This evil world is dying, and you are witnessing the collapse of the great whore. Can you hear me singing? Can you see me dancing?

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       lovemychrisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       i keep going back to misfits statement...that far right x-tians see women like me as subhuman..like some kind of animal.they certainly treat me like that here,and that could explain it. no respect, think they're better...no qualms calling names,etc

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       wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       The "right" people are usually not educated. They are people who have learned to do certain tasks; like the monkey who will pull a certain lever to get a banana. The men have no respect for women, and the women who support them are quite remarkable.

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       lovemychrisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       which is why i LUV the music i grew up with! Jeannie c riley, harper valley pta....i always think of that when they start their snotty rebukes.

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   LoliHeyposted 7 years ago

   Not stolen...conquered.  And if England hadn't done it, Spain or France would have.  Believe it.  We adhere to the US constitution and do not recognize other laws.  Please, stop eating up this Millennial-USA is Evil crap and learn to appreciate the country, or, if you live here, please leave.

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      Alternative Primeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      INTERESTING ~ U must be favor of IMPEACHING Our Current Pseudo-President who many experts believe has already committed TREASON & Right NOW, is BENEFITING from Foreign Monetary Consideration in Direct CONFLICT with OUR Constitution

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      A woman who is raped isn't necessarily stolen, but also conquered for a moment. You are saying if one man doesn't do it another one will. Thus no one should be held accountable for rape. I live in a heartless world, but my heart is still beating.

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      SherrieWeynandposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      While far from a Millenial, I can easily say the U.S. is responsible for a lot of evil acts. I should say, the U.S. government is responsible. One can appreciate their country while not condoning the actions of their governments.

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      LoliHeyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      AP - Trump has not committed treason
      Ronnie - I am not talking about a woman's body, I'm talking about land.
      Sherrie - Yes, the US has done bad things.  Name one country that hasn't.  Not productive to blame the present for things done in the past.

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      SherrieWeynandposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I can agree with that partially. However, we're still doing them. Syria, Yemen, Libya...I could go on.

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      LTA, In your mind war mitigates and sanitizes theft and murder. A violation of a peoples sovereignty,killing those defending their homeland, and then stealing their property is no less egregious than the rape of an individual, and is actually worse.

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      Alternative Primeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Well Lolita, the TRUTH is, "Drumpf" has  Betrayed the USA many times & here's just one example ~ 50 SECONDs of "Trump LIEs" from his BIG Mouth CAPPED Off with ENCOURAGING Our Enemy 2 SPY on US ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNa2B5zHfbQ

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   PDXBuysposted 7 years ago

   Good luck with that.  It's like trying to make some kind of philosophical argument about why you are not legally required to pay income taxes.  It never works....

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   Terrielynn1posted 7 years ago

   Ths is absurd. Most of us have paid for the land we own. I have many native friends and family who are part native. If you believe in the bible none us originated in North America. Some natives have been paid many times over for the land some of own now. Why can't we all just get along. Look forward to bring peace and not backward. The past should be behind us. There is very few pure any race anymore. Why must we keep paying for the sins of the past. How would the rich get cheap labor if everyone was deported. Our family could be the symbol for multiculturalism and I love it. Peace to all.

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Colonialism originated in hell. If a man wants to sleep with the devil, let him. Let him wallow in his own corruption. I will not bow down and kiss the jackboots of Columbus and his evil progeny. I will sing a happy song  as I dance among the ruins.

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      Terrielynn1posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      What, can you say that in English please. They deport people all the time. No one will stop them. Not that I agree with them though. I would do anything I could to bring and keep my family in a place that is suppose to symbolize freedom.

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      You have sympathy for those being deported, but also appear to be an apologist for Manifest Destiny. You sing "We Are The World" and "Kumbaya". I don't sing those songs anymore. I don't believe in a brotherhood with the blind. Only those who can see.

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      Terrielynn1posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Ronnie. I really don't mean to come across that way. I no longer sing those songs either, my younger nieve self did. I love the world and what it has to offer, but I am of clear mind and know there are limits. I care deeply for others. Reality bit

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      If that is true then perhaps we should get married. It is rare to find honest people online or offline. Since puberty, I have evolved from a very selfish person, to a very selfish person with remorse,which I feel is a giant leap forward.

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      Terrielynn1posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Haha Ronnie. I would bet, I am way to old for you. The fact that I am married would also prevent that. I really enjoy interaction with people who aren't affraid to say what they mean and feel. I probably have too many pets and farm animals too.

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Lol! Really? I am 16 years old in my profile picture. I figured I'd give the kid a chance. I am a Vietnam Era veteran; enlisted at 17, so do the math. I grew up on a farm, so no problem with animals. The husband? Yes, that might complicate things.

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      Terrielynn1posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Well you were a good looking kid. You remember no me of a guy I went to school with. He was a hippie. Maybe we are closer in age then I thought. Well I like the way you think. I love living in the country and riding horses.

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I was a hippie wannabe. I was 12 when Woodstock happened. Parents wouldn't let me go! Me and my brother had two roan ponies as kids.Very cute but very ornery. When they get tired, they head 4 the nearest tree at full speed. U know what happens next.

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