4 million belonged to KKK in 20s. How many secretly want to join today

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  1. My Esoteric profile image84
    My Esotericposted 6 years ago

    The Klu Klux Klan (and now the White Supremacists) are, unfortunately, part of the American character.  More specifically, they are the embodiment of everything bad about that character.  The driving force behind these groups led to the huge wave of lynchings and the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Native Americans.  While the latter effort has stopped today (mainly because it was largely successful), the former has not.*

    Studies show that those who are sympathetic with the values of the KKK and White Supremacist are the backbone of Trump supporters.  Why, because his words and actions embody those values.

    In the 1920s the estimate was 3 to 5 million actual members (5% of America's population).  Given that core beliefs don't change in a person rarely change over time and that a high percentage of children take on their parents belief system, that would translate to about 11 million people today.  And these are people who feel so strongly that they are willing to join reviled groups.  How many more people feel this way but don't join?  What ever it is, the number is growing because the number of hate groups reversed their decline and began increasing again just about the time that Donald Trump called Mexicans "rapists and murderers".

    Given our history and these trends, it is easy to see why groups like "Black Lives Matter" are needed today after largely disappearing after the 1964 Civil Rights Act.  While racism has always lurked beneath the American surface and overt examples of it declined significantly, it is, thanks in part to Donald Trump saying it is OK, is on the rise again.

    Do you agree or disagree?

    * Lynching in America was common from when blacks were first brought to America and only began to decline in the 1920s. They increased again a little in the 1950s but has never gone away.

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      ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Mr Esoteric ,"Studies show .....the backbone of Trump supporters ........."    I'd love to see that proof , at least  one not put out by a CNN affiliate , intellectuals of academia, or the DNC itself ............
      How lame and shameful !

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      1. wmhoward4 profile image62
        wmhoward4posted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Yep, not a single credible source was quoted. Either he made it up or needs to go back to school.

        Getting tired of bitter folks wanting to accuse anyone they want of being racist.

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        1. My Esoteric profile image84
          My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Since you will probably only accept Limbaugh, Hannity,  Brietbart Fake News and Fox Fake Opinion (actually their news program isn't too bad ... more biased than CNN, but stays mostly to the truth) as credible sources, I won't bother you with real research by people who know what they are doing ... i.e. educated people aka intellectuals of academia.

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        2. Castlepaloma profile image76
          Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          What school is that?
          Trump University.

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    2. gmwilliams profile image82
      gmwilliamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      As we speak, there are now 917 hate groups in America according to news research.   White supremacist hate groups are INCREASING & becoming quite emboldened.

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        ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        The scale of crowds  this weekend tells it's own story , what there were maybe thirty supremacists , hundreds of anarchist Antifa , and even more police !

        Welcome to the New  World Order of Democratic Anarchists !     NWODA

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        1. Castlepaloma profile image76
          Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Don't include anarchist in this NWO. We need some decentralization from the state and bankers insanity.

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          1. Live to Learn profile image60
            Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Don't include anarchists. LOL. as long a they don't promote or advocate violence they are not included.

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            1. Castlepaloma profile image76
              Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              Of all the groups of people, anarchist are the most pro environmentalist and peaceful people I have met.

              There is the odd teenage that gets too rebellion like. If parents are anarchist they would educate him on non violence ways to express.

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              1. Live to Learn profile image60
                Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                Well then, if true, you've already proven they aren't violent. What's your beef here? You are the one who brought up anarchists, not me.

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                1. Castlepaloma profile image76
                  Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Horse brought up anarchy.

                  I just think anarchy is a better way of thinking for freedom and individualism. Failed Heirachary systems keep getting worst.

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                  1. My Esoteric profile image84
                    My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    While I agree with many things you say Castle, this isn't one of them.  Anarchism, historically anyway, has always been associated with violence and extremism.

                    To me, anarchism is the ultimate experiment in the circle of political ideology, i.e. the fusion of where extreme liberalism and extreme conservatism ideas meet - No Gov't at all.

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        2. My Esoteric profile image84
          My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          The Nazi's and White Supremacists and other conservative-hate groups were expecting hundreds like in Charlottesville last year.  Fortunately they stayed away.

          I find it interesting that you denigrate a group, Antifa, that opposes fascism.  Where does that say your loyalties lie?

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          1. Ken Burgess profile image68
            Ken Burgessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Antifa = fascism  they are the blackshirts and brownshirts of the 21st century.

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            1. My Esoteric profile image84
              My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              Wrong.  Antifa stands for Anti-Fascism; anti-blackshirsts; anti-browshirts.

              Nazi = White Supremacist = Brownshirt = core Trump supporter = everything good Americans despise.

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              1. Ken Burgess profile image68
                Ken Burgessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                Despite our many differences over specific policies, most Americans  traditionally support the side of liberty, tolerance, free speech, and peaceful political change, within broad parameters.

                Most Americans are in opposition to the violent, authoritarian thugs of the right and of the left. In that sense there IS NO DIFFERENCE between Antifa and Fascists they are extremists that deal out authoritarian oppression of others. 

                If we regain faith in what we already have, the system that promises liberty and justice for all, there's no reason to choose between rival extremist groups competing to rule over the ruins of everything that's worthwhile on behalf of their eccentric idiocy.

                This “anti-fascist” movement engages in militant protests and looks for any excuse to use violence. As a part of the extreme left, the members of Antifa are self-proclaimed “anti-capitalists” and declared “enemies of the right”. They call themselves “anti-fascist”, when, in fact, more than any other ideology, fascism characterizes their own movement.

                The authors of the Fascist Manifesto demanded progressive taxation, invalidity insurance, and other types of social benefits. The Manifesto demanded the confiscation of the property of all religious institutions and to nationalize the armament industry.

                The authors of the Fascist Manifesto called for establishing a corporatist system of ‘National Councils’ formed by experts to be elected by their professional organizations who should hold legislative power in their respective areas.

                A comparison with the Manifesto of the Communist Party, reveals the kinship of fascism and Communism.

                The Communist Manifesto demands strongly progressive taxes
                centralization of credit in the hands of the state by a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly, centralization of the transport system in the hands of the state, unification of the farmlands of agriculture and industry with the aim of gradually eliminating the contrast between town and country, union of education with material production.

                Both the Communist and the Fascist Manifestos are echoed in the official Party Program of the Nazis in 1920. 

                A review of the demands from the Communist, fascist, and Nazi agendas shows the similarity between the thought of these three ideologies.

                What the communists express in the slogan ‘from each according to his abilities, to each according to his need’ is equal to the Nazi dictum that the ‘common good comes before the private good’ and the fascist motto of ‘all within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state’.

                Communist, fascist, and national-socialist governments have acted as repressive regimes that brought to their people misery, suppression, and war.  They always do, and Antifa is no exception to this club of oppression.

                The members of Antifa are not opponents to fascism but themselves its genuine representatives. Communism, Socialism, Fascism are united by the common bond of anti-capitalism and anti-liberalism.

                The Antifa movement is a fascist movement. The enemy of this movement is not fascism but liberty, peace, and prosperity.

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                1. Don W profile image81
                  Don Wposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Don't forget the history of Antifa goes back to 1930s Germany. Here is a picture of "Antifaschistische Aktion" ("Anti-fascist Action") or "Antifa" in conference in Germany in 1932:

                  https://hubstatic.com/14169794.png

                  Yes those are hammer and sickle flags in the background, because Communists were allies in the struggle against Nazis in the 30s, as they were during WWII.

                  One of the roles of "Antifa" was self-defense against Nazi paramilitaries, and it was formed as a direct response to Nazism.

                  The resurgence of Nazism has led to a resurgence of Antifa (or at least a collection of groups strongly styled after the original organization).

                  One of the differences between Antifa and Fascists is that (to my knowledge) Antifa has never been responsible for committing genocide on an industrial scale. I think that's a pretty important difference.

                  This historical and political context is important to maintain.

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                  1. Live to Learn profile image60
                    Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    The problem is the right is not fascist. So fascist tactics used be Antifa are nothing more than fascist tactics. Pushing a far left agenda.

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                2. My Esoteric profile image84
                  My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  That is why I speak of the political spectrum as a circle.  If you start in the middle and move left you move from conservative liberals to liberals to progressive liberals (there is sort of a break here as you move from individual-oriented gov't to state-oriented gov't) to socialism to communism to Stalin.

                  Go right and you start with liberal conservatives to moderate conservatives to (there is sort of a break here as you move from individual-oriented gov't to state-oriented gov't) far-right social (as opposed to fiscal) conservationism to extreme social conservationism to fascism to Hitler.

                  So yes, I have seen Antifa standing up to and punching back at nazis and  white supremacist. But I have not seen them exhibit any nationalist or authoritarian tendencies.  They are simply standing up to bullies and refuse to turn the other cheek.

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                  1. Ken Burgess profile image68
                    Ken Burgessposted 6 years agoin reply to this



                    And this a statement of either willing blindness/ignorance or covert support for the oppressive violence and activity of Antifa.

                    If you, or anyone for that matter, want to better understand what Antifa is, and how they ARE about violence and oppression, this video explains it excellently. Well worth the watch, it is highly informative.

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPvN5o2aRNs

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      2. Live to Learn profile image60
        Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Violence, in general, appears to be looming over us all. From Islamic radicals to white supremacists to Antifa.  And, all are emboldened.  People are frustrated and mad. They are lashing out blindly.

        These types of comments and threads, attempting to point out ignorant and tiny segments are foolish only in that they paint a picture which emboldens those tiny and ignorant segments.

        OH MY GOD! How many people are there who are so racist they'd lynch their neighbor???? LORD HAVE MERCY!! I hear there are almost a thousand known groups.

        Horse back points out there were 30 people at a pitiful rally.

        You know what? I'd rather 30 pitiful people be allowed to make fools of themselves, peacefully, than have thousands show up hoping to get the chance to be goaded into beating them up.

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          ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          The "Thousands showing up ..............."were the ANTIFA ,   and for the greater majority they are always the leftists "showing up " , besides leftists protestors , the right in America  most always stands silent .

          Blame your own party 'two --phazed' dangers  Antifa like ,  on one side and  the bias of a strangling news media on the other .   The  KKK , White supremacists are mouthpieces alone and are far more leftist- anarchist's by nature .Want activist accountability in America ?
          Look to the left  , always look to the left , you just can't go wrong when seeking answers to anxieties of violence , change and revolutionary tactics.

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        2. MizBejabbers profile image90
          MizBejabbersposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Sounds like Trump's description of his inaugural crowd.

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          1. Live to Learn profile image60
            Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            You may be right. 30 may be an over exaggeration.

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  2. Castlepaloma profile image76
    Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago

    Black Americans incarcerated five times more than white people. Then you take in the account that prisoners numbers have increased 10 times in the last 40 years. Reason for cheap Corperationism labor.  I sense there is still a deep south salavery attitude.

    I dated a black woman in a small town in BC. The KKK killed her son. I don't understand how these kind of people commit the worst crime on earth, and get away with it. Probably because when you go to find justice at a higher level of authority, you find worst phycopaths.

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  3. Live to Learn profile image60
    Live to Learnposted 6 years ago

    How many secretly want to join? I'll venture a guess. .1% of the amount the average left wing idiot thinks would want to.

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    1. Castlepaloma profile image76
      Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Not all KKK voted for Trump, some voted for Ted Cruz.

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    ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

    Funny thing ,  I've knowns 100 s or 1000's of conservatives and the only place I even hear anything about the KKK is with democrats right here ?

    Same as the Civil rights act , dems fight progress all the way .

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    1. My Esoteric profile image84
      My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      It's hard to hear them through their white robes.

      Conservatives enslaved blacks
      Conservatives lynched blacks
      Conservatives tried to stop women from voting
      Conservatives created Jim Crow
      Conservatives created separate but equal
      Conservatives suppressed minorities right to vote
      Conservatives gutted the 14th amendment
      Conservatives gutted the 15th amendment

      Liberals got rid of slavery
      Liberals made lynching illegal, finally, after being fought hard by conservatives
      Liberals got rid of Jim Crow
      Liberals got rid of separate but equal
      Liberals got the Civil Rights Act passed
      Liberals got women  and blacks the right to vote

      Conservatives have rolled back the Civil Rights Act
      Conservatives have rolled back the Voting Rights Act
      Conservatives deny science and think the earth is getting cooler.

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      1. wmhoward4 profile image62
        wmhoward4posted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Democrats enslaved blacks and allowed the indentured service of the Irish to continue.
        Democrats lynched, created Jim Crow and supported the KKK. In fact the KKK members once on the Supreme Court were Democrats appointed by Democrats.
        Republicans got rid of all that.
        Obama supported Jihadist Arab regimes that practice Muslim slavery. Obama is a Democrat. Obama did nothing about current slavery in Muslim countries. if you voted for Obama for his second term YOU support the Islamic institution of slavery.

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        1. Live to Learn profile image60
          Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, but certainly don't expect anyone on the left to accept facts on this. They are too deep in denial.

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          1. My Esoteric profile image84
            My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Correction -

            CONSERVATIVE Democrats enslaved blacks and allowed the indentured service of the Irish to continue.
            CONSERVATIVE Democrats lynched, created Jim Crow and supported the KKK. In fact the KKK members once on the Supreme Court were CONSERVATIVE Democrats appointed by CONSERVATIVE Democrats.
            LIBERAL Republicans got rid of all that.
            Obama supported Jihadist Arab regimes that practice Muslim slavery. - an example of FAKE NEWS
            Obama is a LIBERAL Democrat.
            Obama did nothing about current slavery in Muslim countries - FAKE NEWS
            if you voted for Obama for his second term YOU support the Islamic institution of slavery - FAKE NEWS and a very stupid conclusion.

            Do you see the pattern here? Regardless of the party at the time, it is the CONSERVATIVES who are the problem and LIBERALS solved the problem.

            You do realize that both of you would be Democrats in the 1800s for they reflect your belief set.

            To Repeat Myself - Party labels are just the name of a party and nothing more.  Political and Social philosophy is what is important and unchanging.

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        2. Castlepaloma profile image76
          Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Modern slavery is most in Asian countries.

          Trans-Atlantic was much more concentrated and intense over 350 years than the 1300 years of the Arab slave trade for mainly 3 reasons:

          A huge new demand for labor had suddenly been created in order to colonize the new world.
          The geographical destination of the slaves was immensely greater than the area where slaves were needed in the new world.
          Advances in technology and transportation had been vastly improved over the 1,000 years.

          Today North America has Debtor salavery and 25℅ of the world's prisoners.  That will continues into our children debt, unless we enprisonment our slave masters, state and bankers.

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    ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

    Like I said , I think democrats have a secret admiration for the KKK ,  why else keep raising a ghost from the past ?

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    1. Live to Learn profile image60
      Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      It's their ghost. Pretty much all kkk members were democrats

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      1. My Esoteric profile image84
        My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        As I just pointed out to ahorseback, every KKK (are you saying David Duke is a ghost?) are conservatives.  True, some of them happen to be conservative Democrats (who all moved to the GOP, btw), but the common factor is these right-wing hate groups are all conservatives.

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    2. Castlepaloma profile image76
      Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      When have ever blacks voted Republican.

      At Trumps election rallies it's 95℅ whites amoug  KKK,  white surpremist and Nazis.  Trump lost blacks votes by 85℅. Through your predominate white blonde and blue eye Christians blind faiths.
      How can you call Democrats KKK.
      How many burnt crosses do you get for lying?

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        ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        https://hubstatic.com/14164411.jpg

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      2. MizBejabbers profile image90
        MizBejabbersposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Castle, he isn't lying. If you study U.S. history, you will learn that the Democrats and Republicans have flip-flopped their political philosophies a couple of times since they took those party names.

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        1. My Esoteric profile image84
          My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          I have been trying to convince conservatives for years of that fact. It goes something like this:

          Federalist (liberal, more or less) - Democratic-Republicans (conservatives)

          Democrats (yes, there was no opposition party for years) - (Mainly conservative with moderate and liberal wings)

          Whigs (liberal) - Democrats (conservative)

          Republican - 1860 - 1929 (liberal) - Democrats- 1820 - 1929 (conservative)

          Democrats - 1929 to today (liberal) - Republican - 1929 to day (conservative)

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    3. My Esoteric profile image84
      My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      In case you didn't know it (you probably do and just refuse to admit it), the KKK and it is brother in arms the White Supremacists and their off-shoots are alive and well and growing in numbers because of Trump.  They are an existential threat to America just like their hero Trump.  Since you try to ignore them and therefore enable them (unless you are one), that makes you a threat to our democracy as well.

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    ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

    https://hubstatic.com/14164268.jpg

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    1. My Esoteric profile image84
      My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Yep, but the story is incomplete.  The title should be CONSERVATIVE Democrat ...  Only conservatives belong to the KKK or White Supremacists while no liberals do.

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  7. Live to Learn profile image60
    Live to Learnposted 6 years ago

    I'd like to ask. At what point will democrats stop projecting their sins onto the rest of us?

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    1. My Esoteric profile image84
      My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Democrats aren't projecting 'their' sins.  They, and independents like me, are highlighting conservative sins of the past and present.

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      1. Live to Learn profile image60
        Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        LOL. The democrats were the KKK. Don't shove that into anyone else's lap.

        Racist jerks are a fringe group. Attempting to imply that large swaths of our citizenry are such is asinine, at best.

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    ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

    Well that's it , liberals do everything collectively ,  in their idea of  grouping we're all supposed to assume the guilt complexes that they share .  I don't know about you but I for one was never a KKK member , never even dreamed of that demo-dixie-cratic way of dealing with their prejudices .

    Give them time Lto L they'll evolve .

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    1. Castlepaloma profile image76
      Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Jim Crow laws mandated racial segregation in all public facilities in the states of1870s then was upheld in 1896, by the U.S. Supreme Court's "separate but equal"  legal extended to public facilities and transportation, including the coaches of interstate trains and buses. African Americans were consistently inferior and underfunded, compared to white Americans.

      There was one great Republican John Kennedy.  He turn around Jim Crow laws to black voting, free from segregated, and interracial marriage laws changed.

      Even today I date mostly non-white women. The challenges of mix couples is as difficult as a gay realationships.

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      1. MizBejabbers profile image90
        MizBejabbersposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Castle, do you mean President John Fitzgerald Kennedy? He was a card-carrying Democrat, not a Republican.

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        1. Castlepaloma profile image76
          Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Your right, Ted Kennedy was a Republican, so I assume John Kennedy was one too. Plus must of miss read it somewhere too.

          Yes,  these parties do change up alot. I think of each person as an individual first, label never did sit well with me. Too large a group or centralize thinking is limited.

          Trump was a strong Democrats once. Then Trump realize he could use his hypnosis on the today's Republican Party much easier.

          I was speaking of today's Democrats who are unlikely to be KKK members. Or why would all non-whites and other religions vote against Trump.

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          1. My Esoteric profile image84
            My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Sorry Castle, the whole Kennedy clan were Democrats.

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            1. Castlepaloma profile image76
              Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              Shows you I don't know much about Kennedy's. Just the profound  speeches and action of JF Kennedy were very impressive to me, and the only Presidents that did his Job, best to his ability.

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              1. My Esoteric profile image84
                My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                THAT I agree with.

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  9. Rodric29 profile image78
    Rodric29posted 6 years ago

    This information is incorrect. Conservatives actually did the things you attribute to the liberals. I suggest doing some research.

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    1. Live to Learn profile image60
      Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      You do understand that liberal and Democrat are not synonymous? You know, after what came out about emails within the DNC denigrating Sanders because he was Jewish....don't tell me the democrats have changed their stripes.  They are just sneakier.

      I was a little kid when the KKK were still active. I remember driving past cross burnings at their rallies. I remember how hateful and evil they were toward the Republican families who fought them in our communities to keep them from stealing from county coffers for their private schools because they were too racist to send their kids to the public after integration. I remember being afraid we'd wake up to a burning cross.

      I remember the democrats who made little old ladies wait until even I, a little kid,was waited on just because they were black. I remember the democrats trying to break my father because our establishment had a first come first served policy.

      Forget history. Please. But the same people who were Democrat then are now, as are their families. I like to think people learn, grow and change. But, don't take a democrat's stripes and attempt to paint them on anyone else. You can ignore them at your own peril.

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    ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

    Kennedy was a Republican by today's standards ,  Democrats today are anarchists by 2000 standards , the tides keep turning on the chameleons and the legacy of democratic party once again falters towards  failure mode , just like it was once the slave owners party . The "civil rights act" oppressors .   Now the thought police .
    The Robert Byrd's of yesterday  are the Democrats of today through and through .   
    Kennedy's legacy their enemy .

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    1. Castlepaloma profile image76
      Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I more impress and learn more on the Anarchast youtube than anything on the internet.

      Anarchist would not want anything to do with Democrats or Republican. They go through periods of politics, then they mostly realized of all their problems is within themselves first.  Then invest in their family and local community rather than the monopoly mafia.
      They would consider Green party or libertarian like Ron Paul. Many have praise Kennedy as a true President.

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    2. My Esoteric profile image84
      My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Lolololololol!  Byrd was a dye-in-the-wool conservative, which is just another word for Republican.

      What is true is that most conservative Ds joined their kindred spirits in the GOP after 1994.  And what do conservatives NOT oppose?

      Facism
      Slavery
      Jim Crow
      Dred Scott
      Weakening of the 14th amendment
      Weakening of the 15th amendment
      Abolishment of the 1964 Civil Rights Act
      Abolishment of the 1965 Voting Rights Act
      Abolishment of the EPA (ironic because a better form of the GOP created it)
      and the list goes on.

      What do Democrats OPPOSE?


      Facism
      Slavery
      Jim Crow
      Dred Scott
      Weakening of the 14th amendment
      Weakening of the 15th amendment
      Abolishment of the 1964 Civil Rights Act
      Abolishment of the 1965 Voting Rights Act
      Abolishment of the EPA (ironic because a better form of the GOP created it)
      and the list goes on.

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      1. Castlepaloma profile image76
        Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Byrd later called joining the KKK "the greatest mistake I ever made." In 1997.

        Republicans' corner, there is David Duke, founder of the group that invited ... David Duke outranked Robert Byrd in the Ku Klux Klan. David is Trumps favorite fan.
        Make America white again,,... I mean great again.

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    ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

    Mr.Esoteric , Let me remind you , just like in front of his trainees the clintons Byrd was a democrat ,Democrat with a  -D

    Again D in front of his name !

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    1. Live to Learn profile image60
      Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      You have to wonder if they believe the lies or are just hoping to make others believe them.

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      1. Castlepaloma profile image76
        Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Robert C. Byrd is best known as the longest-serving senator and longest-serving member in the history of the United States Congress. He backed civil rights measures and criticized the Iraq War.

        The KKK is not mention in Byrd bio on wiki link.  He was briefly a member of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1940s, but later left the group and denounced racial intolerance.

        Don't we all make traumatic mistakes,  and can be forgiven?
        Do your own fact checking.

        My mistake was being a Christian for 3 months. Christians keep telling, that is why I am a good person, just because I joined once. Nonsense.

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          ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          In defending a known racist that way , This is the most ridiculous response you've ever written here .

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          1. Castlepaloma profile image76
            Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            You make it out like most  KKK members are Democrats.  To me, both parties stink anyways.

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          2. Castlepaloma profile image76
            Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Religious people are not very forgiving.

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              ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              I'm not overly religious though .

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              1. Castlepaloma profile image76
                Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                That means when you get halfway up the heavens lightbeam. God might shut it off.

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          3. My Esoteric profile image84
            My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Actually in the end, Byrd rejected racism and became one of the great civil libertarians.

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            1. Live to Learn profile image60
              Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              LOL. Gotta love a liberal. Pulling down statues of our founding fathers and defending a racist who realized it wasn't politically advantageous to remain one in public.

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        2. My Esoteric profile image84
          My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          I should have been more precise about Byrd.  When he joined the KKK he was a real conservative.  Later, he was still conservative in his main views but became what is known as a progressive conservative.

          BTW, what, if any, faith are you today?  I left the Christian church when I was 10 and realized they were lying to me.

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    2. My Esoteric profile image84
      My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      And let me remind you, what parties stand for changes from time to time, and in the case of Republican and Democrats, they reversed what they stood for.  So party labels across time have Zero meaning.

      Political and social philosophy don't change with time (or change very little).  A conservative in the 1800s believe in generally the same thing as they do in 2018.  A liberal's core foundation has changed in that time span either.

      That is why I correctly write in terms of conservative vs liberal rather than incorrectly write in terms of party (unless the time horizon is less than 10 years)

      For example, if I were writing in the 1880s, I would be saying conservative Democrats because that was what most of them were. The liberals belonged to the Republican party.

      In the 2000s I write about the conservative Republicans because that is what most Republicans are while the liberals mostly belong to the Democratic party.

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    3. Don W profile image81
      Don Wposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      For goodness sake, it's not rocket science.

      My Esoteric is saying that party names are irrelevant, because over the course of the country's political history both parties have changed platforms.

      Therefore it's more useful to refer directly to political ideology. So liberals (as "Republicans" and now "Democrats") have championed liberal and progressive social and economic policies. Conservatives (as "Democrats" and now "Republicans") have championed conservative social and economic policies.

      With the examples of conservative policy he has given, e.g. being pro-slavery, My Esoteric is saying that social conservatives (regardless of what name they happen to be under) have been on the wrong side of history.

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      1. My Esoteric profile image84
        My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        !!

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  12. Live to Learn profile image60
    Live to Learnposted 6 years ago

    As it has been pointed out. The right knows where the line in the sand is. Obviously, from left comments about Antifa it is clear the left has no line. Anything goes, as long as it is against the right.

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    1. Don W profile image81
      Don Wposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      If you think far-left activists represent "the left", then far-right extremists (like Nazis) represent the right.

      If you think far-right extremists do not represent the right, then far-left activists (like Antifa) do not represent the left.

      Which is it, because you can't have it both ways.

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      1. Live to Learn profile image60
        Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Of course far right idiots who glorify the Nazi party are extremists. When have I every said they weren't? So you think I support anyone because I support their right to peacefully assemble? Is support Antifa's right to peacefully assemble. If that's what they did.

        Everyone has the right to free speech. Everyone. If not, then we don't have free speech.

        The courts, common sense, decent society. We all draw the line at violence. Are you incapable of seeing this point?

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        1. Don W profile image81
          Don Wposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          I misread your earlier comment. I thought you were suggesting those on the far-left are somehow representative of "the left". I think it's important we don't unfairly generalize. Re-reading your comment though, I don't think you were saying that.

          Personally, I don't condone violence. I think it's important that people on the left and right jointly condemn politically motivated violence. I believe people have the right to defend themselves, but not to attack others because they don't like what they are saying.

          That's why I find it so appalling that Donald Trump actively encouraged his supporters to physically attack people. Even offering to pay their legal bills if they did. No one on the left or right should condone that type of behavior.

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    2. My Esoteric profile image84
      My Esotericposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      "The right knows where the line in the sand is. " - and what gives you that idea?

      Start with the peaceful civil rights protests in the 1950s and move forward to Charlotsville.

      Of course, I am not suggesting that the left has not has its share of originating violent protests, especially during the 1960s, but my memory (and I have lived through all of it) is the right is responsible for most of it.

      Further, when the left was demonstrating, even violently, it was against social injustice.  When the right has protested, it has Always been in favor or repression.

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      1. Live to Learn profile image60
        Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Seriously? The right has, repeatedly, expressed its distaste and disdain for white supremacist groups. I don't know what more you expect from them. I do apologize that believing in the right to free speech (as long as it does not incite violence) is such a heinous idea to you. But, it is our law.

        I have seen many people on interviews from groups labeled white supremacist who do not espouse the views they are attributed with. They may hold them. I don't know. I would steer clear of any group who was labeled suspect. But, I cannot indict a person for being labeled such. If they are peaceful, and given the opportunity for free speech; they will eventually hang themselves. My memory, and I lived through it also, is that the left in our community was responsible for the unrest caused by a lack of desire to integrate peacefully.

        So, from your last paragraph, you support violence. That is the big line in the sand I draw. If you can't express your views without attempting to hurt others, if you can't express your views without attempting to shove them down the throats of others, you are extremists. If you can't hold a civil discussion and choose, instead, to riot, attack other citizens and physically attack the media, you are fascist because you are using fascist tactics to promote your agenda.

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