Hatred: A politically-correct word?
Do the Democrats and the liberals who hate Trump feel it is right to do so?
Isn't hatred the root of racism?
It seems they preach love and hate
at the same time!
Is it just fine to hate?
WonderingIsn't hatred the root of racism?
Perhaps you need to closely look at your side of the ideological divide and answer your own question.Right, since Trump stirs up so much hatred, why would it be politically incorrect to hate him?
Please, please, PLEASE tell me how you think President Donald Trump stirs up "so much" hatred?
Specific incidents include ------>I googled "Trumps ramblings on antifa" and came up with a whole page of stories. So I chose this one as an example: https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premiu … -1.8902330
Your choice for a supporting link was surprising. The only point I could agree with is that Antifa is an ideology rather than a distinct organization.
Otherwise . . .speaking of ramblings . . .
GAAt least you have some kind of view of antifa. Most people have no clue. Just that it's bad because Trump says so.
I think it is bad. I just don't think there is an organized hub that connects all the spokes of Antifa groups. It is an idea/belief that individual groups pick-up, not an organization
GAThat was one of the most bizarre things I've ever read. Antifa is the group that tried to keep well-known Jewish conservative Ben Shapiro from speaking at Berkley. Too many people are gullible about their name. Antifa is a fascist organization.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat … 669071001/
https://reason.com/2017/08/28/antifa-at … arsely-apiYour statement cantains a well known mistake employed on both the Left and the Right. Correct someone's English skills. It's BERKELEY Mike. I would know, I attended college there. Sorry. And Antifa is NOT an organization. If they are, please provide genuine evidence on a bonafide website or any other proof. Try Wells Fargo as an example.
I asked how do YOU think Trump stirs up so much hatred.
Kathryn, I research articles and the news before I form an opinion. I don't just dig the cartoons and spiteful postings on Facebook and listen to one side of the so-called news. I'm not a follower of them, but I don't think he's correct about ANTIFA. I don't approve of his treatment of women and his ridiculing the disabled. I am a former journalist and reporter anchor for a regional broadcast network from back when the news was real journalism, not hearsay and rabid postings. I have two degrees in journalism from the years when journalists were taught to listen to both sides of the story, not just take one and beat it to death. I've been accused of being "a liberal" (liberal is not a four-letter word, by the way) but I'm really not. I'm more of a centrist. I don't like pure socialism and I don't like the Tea Party. I didn't like the Moral Majority either. I thought "Immoral Majority" fit them better and thought the U.S. would see daylight when they finally got rid of the likes of Pat Robertson and Whats-His-Name from Liberty University. But I do like to see some sanity in our government. If you read one of my posts, you may have noticed that I paid my state's Republican governor a compliment on the way he's handled Covid-19 in our state. I'll say it again. Kudos to you Governor Hutchison on your handling of the pandemic. So sometimes you may even find me on your side of the fence.
Interesting, you still didn't answer the question by Kathryn.
Wow! Came in late to this thread so forgive me, but I read your article link and could not help but notice how outstandingly bad it is. The article is beyond absurd. And yet you were a properly trained, non-biased journalist? How interesting.
So Trump, who is Israel's best friend, who is brokering a deal in the middle east, whose son-in-law is a Jew, whose grandchildren are Jewish, whose daughter has converted to Judaism, is a Jew-hater, according to the author of the article. Is that what we are to believe? What nonsense.
I do think the author of the article let his hatred get the better of him, and I also believe that anyone who states that hating someone is not "politically incorrect" is wrong to do so when that someone, namely, the president, has done so much good for minorities. As the "objective" reporter you claim to be, you should know that better than anyone. It's called research. It's what reporters do.
In the long run, hatred never wins, not for anyone. Antifa's hatred is visceral. Supporting them is foolish. They advocate for violence and destruction. They say so.
You mean like start with "grab 'em by the pu**y" and go from there? In terms of hatred? When somebody treats you like trash, hatred naturally follows.
... and nothing he has done since has made any impact on you.
Wow.
I guess you are hard to impress and are yourself, perfectly prim and proper.
So many do not understand the underlying points of his witty and audacious comments. His underlying points are based on common sense and he probably couldn't fathom that people would not understand or comprehend them.
Sadly, so many people just don't get his humor and his logic which absolutely go hand in hand.Could you translate your response into some kind of non-senile English?
Seems pretty clear when you advocate for men to grab women by the pu**y, some people are not going to see that as humor. When you wish a known child sex-trafficker well because you hung out with her and her boyfriend and probably had sex with underage girls, yes, people are going to hate you.
That barely scrapes the bottom of the barrel.Continue! Please do! Apparently, I am a Polly Anna and need to become more aware.
.Did he not wish a known child sex-trafficker well? Did he not hang out with Jeffrey Epstein?
Hating Trump wastes energy, so don't get mad, get even.
He simply has got to go and wasting time on meaningless gestures won't get us there any faster.Maybe we have to love him because he is our fellow man as Jesus said to love our brother, but we don't have to like him.
Sometimes reality is just too damned funny.
Good Ol'Boy Biden... over 40 years in DC... palls with some of "the best Senators to ever serve this great nation", as detailed below:
https://theblacksphere.net/2019/06/demo … of-racism/
And Kamala Harris, ruthless AG, who wreaked havoc on minorities in CA, a descendant of Slave owners.
In this politically charged atmosphere where every white person is considered a descendant of a slave owner (of which 98% are NOT... its far more likely they are descendants of Indentured Servants).
And we aren't talking some small connection to Slavery, oh no:
"Democrat presidential candidate Kamala Harris is descended from Irish slave owner Hamilton Brown, the namesake of Brown’s Town in Jamaica.
Kamala Harris’ father Donald Harris wrote an essay entitled “Reflections of a Jamaican Father” for Jamaica Global Online, in which he made a startling admission:
“My roots go back, within my lifetime, to my paternal grandmother Miss Chrishy (née Christiana Brown, descendant of Hamilton Brown who is on record as plantation and slave owner and founder of Brown’s Town) and to my maternal grandmother Miss Iris (née Iris Finegan, farmer and educator, from Aenon Town and Inverness, ancestry unknown to me). The Harris name comes from my paternal grandfather Joseph Alexander Harris, land-owner and agricultural ‘produce’ exporter (mostly pimento or all-spice), who died in 1939 one year after I was born and is buried in the church yard of the magnificent Anglican Church which Hamilton Brown built in Brown’s Town."
"Hamilton Brown owned several plantations over the years 1817 to about 1845. According to the 1818 Almanac which can be found on this site, (Jamaican Family Search) , he was the owner of Minard (128 slaves), [on another plantation] his ownership (124 slaves). The other register (86 slaves) cannot be assigned to any estate, although he is listed in Almanacs for subsequent years as owning several."
https://nationalfile.com/kamala-is-desc … -the-race/
Its amazing how anyone, who believes in Civil Rights or Progressive Ideals can still support the Establishment party of racial divide and subjugation (AKA the Democratic Party)... the Party, the Establishment goes out of its way to pick two people who have more racist baggage than anything they could ever dig up on Trump.Don't get me wrong, Ken. Neither Joe Biden or Kamela Harris would have been my choices.
Conservatives love to paint them both as representing the radical left. As a progressive, they are still too far to the right for my comfort. From my perspective they are viewed upon with suspicion, but at least I can be sure that most of my grievances with the Republicans and the Right would not be exacerbated in a Biden administration.
When I read how the Trump administration has taken much of the teeth from the EEOC to punish those involved in racial discrimination lawsuits, or watering down the EPA by putting someone in charge that is against its very mission, those are examples of moving backwards. There are many reasons that the GOP rubs me the wrong way, and those gaps can never be closed over any one issue. As, I have a bone to pick with them on virtually everything they stand for. So, it not just one area or another, it's everything.
I can document these trends if you like...
As far as I am concerned Trump is pretty bad. I can't hold Kamela Harris forebears responsible for who she is now. Don' attempt to compare this to my grievances regarding this society and legacy of slavery therein.
"In this politically charged atmosphere where every white person is considered a descendant of a slave owner (of which 98% are NOT... its far more likely they are descendants of Indentured Servants)."
This, I would like to have documented as to the source.
From everything you state, Trump and the RePUBLICANS, the ideology and track record within contemporary times have proved them to be more dangerous to me and my broad array of interests, overall.
There are plenty of people who dislike Trump personally, but stick to him as he represents maintaining a Republican Party philosophy of government which for them supercedes their personal dislike of the man. Do you believe that we Democrats can reason on the same basis?"Broad array of interests," I like that. I'm going to steal it, if you don't mind. What a great, intelligent, non-threatening answer. I could use that every election from top to bottom. Thanks.
"This, I would like to have documented as to the source."
Don't have a source, but...given that there were very few slave owners in the North, given that that's where the majority of the population was, given the enormous influx of immigrants AFTER slavery was illegal, given that even in the "slave states" of the south, the large majority of people did NOT own slaves...given all that it seems apparent that the huge majority of people living in the US did NOT have a slave owner in their past 500 years of ancestry. Now if you want to go back a few thousand years you will likely find that nearly everyone in the world (including black folks) had one or more.
It appears that you skipped over the chapters in history about the carpetbaggers and the Republican party. They didn't exactly elevate the black race, just further tore down the white race. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. No pun intended. Unless that's your aim, of course.
... don't we all agree? Hatred is the root of racism
Nope. Hatred is not the root of racism. The root of racism is the belief that those of another race are inferior to you.
What is it called when those of another race think others are racist and hate them for it ... even if the others were never racist and truly accepted them just fine.
A race is a just a race, after all!Totally delusional. That's what you call it.
Not sure what goes on in your greeting card mind, but whatever.
Hey man, don't you know?
They done declared war on Whitey.
What you think the ultimate goal of all this down with Western Civ, BLM, Open Borders, is leading us to?
You think they gonna let up on the white man?
Hell no, the march of Progressivism won't stop until White Priv is destroyed.
And the only way you can destroy White Priv is to destroy all whites, their society, their history, all of it.
Don't you listen to Oprah, she's had to fight racism all her life!
That's why she is only worth 3 Billion dollars, the white man kept her down!
White racism is why Obama only won the Presidency twice!
If it weren't for White Priv and their idiotic rules he would still be President!
Their laws are nothing more than oppression.
Its a right for POC to Loot businesses and burn down homes.
That's restitution!Ken, before you get over the top with this comment, let's put things in proper perspective, shall we?
https://www.businessinsider.com/black-b … tes-2020-2
Why aren't there not more black billionaires relative to the white ones in this "opportunity society"?
Statistics would favor more than 0.9 percent. 615 white billionaires compared with just 6 black ones. What sort of advantage could explain such widely disparate statistics? When those numbers improve, then your arguments would make more sense. Until the structural disadvantages that is shown in this one example is improved upon, the struggle and protests shall continue.
White privelege should be destroyed. You talk about merit and hard work, we know the outcomes in this case and in many others can not be explained away so simply. To minimize that advantage and compensate for it would constitute a large part toward restitution.
While it is noteworthy that so many whites did not let race affect their votes, if it were not for non-white voters, Obama would have not won in 2008 or 2012.
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But, in all fairness, Ken the statistics are more representative among the ranks of millionaires.We have discussed this at great length over the course of the years.
And while that comment was facetious, it was a fair reflection of this moment in time.
Lets consider how things were..
Where was this country in 1960?
How about 1970?
1980? 90? 00? 10? ...Now?
Today we have scholarships for minorities that do not exist for Whites.
We have Grants, Home Lending programs, Social Supports for minorities that do not exist for whites.
We have laws today that work to counter discrimination (in the 60s we had laws that worked to enforce discrimination).
The pendulum has swung so far the other way, that Universities like Harvard and Yale openly discriminate against Whites and Asians, and flip off the authorities that find them guilty of it.
IE - https://www.npr.org/2020/08/13/90233542 … admissions
So we have come to a point in America's history where the Laws, and the Systemic Programs, and the Universities, all favor the Minority over the White.
This is the TRUTH of today... its verifiable.
So when today's America is burned to the ground, when today's system is broken. Who is really going to be hurt?
Now that minorities have all the things those that marched and fought in the 1960s wanted... equal opportunity, equal rights, laws that don't discriminate... it seems its not enough.
Reparations are wanted, Whites need to submit to subjugation and intoleration, Looting businesses and homes is now a Right...
Oh.. you say you don't support it, only you do, you will vote for the politicians that encourage these groups intent on the destruction of our society, that encourage intolerance and racism... its good right?
But you have to wonder, where its all going to go, and who is going to ultimately benefit from it, and pay for it.Part of that is restitution for the net worth income gap as this information alludes to, and this is not the only source referencing.it.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front … ealth-gap/
I did not say dismantle the system but make adjustments.
Whites on the average have had a great head start obtained at the expense of others.
Keep what the improvements from the 1960s on, continue and don't allow for backsliding which has been identified by Trump and GOP's lack of support of the federal agencies enforcing and maintaining the progress that we have been supposed to have made.
Remember when a house of cards is tumbled it is the one at the top that fall furthest and hardest.
I vote for politicians that support a majority of my policy interests if not all, so it is more than unidimensional. I will not support GOP that have clearly work against almost everything that I support. No more than you would support Democrats, your reality and mine are quite different.Yes we have different perspectives.
I had a Temp worker (Temp Agency employee) come barging into the Security office one day where I worked.
The Security Officer on the shift before me, hours earlier, asked him if he had gotten his ID when he saw him.
The Temp said, no, and asked where it was.
The Security Officer said, Oh, I thought someone had given it to you because its not on the shelf anymore.
Days earlier this Temp employee had dropped his ID (lost it), someone turned it in, and now it was missing from the Security Office.
So, back to him coming into the Security Office when I was there, he asked for his ID, I looked for it, didn't find it, told him I had no idea where it was.
He didn't tell me at that time he had already talked to the other Security Officer on an earlier shift, so I called him at home and asked him where it was, he said he didn't know.
So then he began demanding that I find it, that I look through the security recordings from the cameras (of which there are many), and being a bit too assertive.
I told him, he had no authority here, and he needed to leave the office, he refused and made more demands.
I told him I could have the Sheriffs office remove him if he'd like (they were right around the corner) he said fine, do that, he wanted to make a statement, etc.
Eventually it got to the point where he said I was hassling him and giving him a hard time because he was Black.
I chose a less harmful (to him) means of having him removed the office, due to its restricted nature his removal could have been accompanied by severe federal penalties if the police had been involved, so I called the FSO instead and we got him to leave
When I had a chance to talk to him, hours later, I said: Put yourself in my shoes, you are the security officer, in your security office, it is a restricted area... and I come barging in and start demanding things of you. How would you react?
Interestingly enough... he never took responsibility for losing his own ID.
He transferred the blame of it being lost, onto me and Security.
He never took responsibility for his illegal entry in the Security Office.
My reaction to his being there was based on his race.
A microcosm for what is going on in today's world, no one taking responsibility for their own actions, no one wanting to be held accountable, blaming others for their own mistakes, and if you counter them in any way it is racism, or sexism.
Its not going to get better... the mindset of these younger people, the outlandish demands of these groups "Looting is Restitution!" "All Whites are Racist and Privileged!" is only going to bring more hardship,
No society could long stand such division and insanity.Ken, I am not unreasonable, no one slights you in this example for doing your job and the man's fallback was an excuse. I recognize that.
I can't argue with statistics however, and I am also taken aback that 41 percent of black owned business have failed under the pandemic compared with 17 percent of white businesses. When we talk about a fair system, I should not be seeing so much of this. Why am I always seeing it?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/black-owne … -pandemic/
Why do you think that all this seems to continue? This is certainly not something where blame can be focused on the business owners.I am going to take your findings as fact, so I can address that which (to a great extent) worsens these issues.
What we have seen the last few months, the deliberate inflammation of racial tensions by the media. Their ongoing support and making excuses for the rioting and looting.
This is a major cause of the problems... how many Black businesses and Black neighborhoods suffered looting or arson?
And the Democrat politicians in Portland, LA, Seattle, Minneapolis, Chicago, NYC let these riots go on and on, supporting them, even joining in with the riots.
They told their police to stand down, they defunded their police forces, they fired their police officers... they threatened those that stood up to the mob and tried to do their jobs.
When the politicians of the Party you believe in, when the media sources you trust, are telling you to riot, to blame white people, to hate the police, how can we come together to address these issues?
How can we see past race, when our politicians and our media sources work to divide us by race and by sex every day?
Aug 12, 2020. Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best announced her resignation on Tuesday, citing a “lack of respect for officers ” and the inevitable firings that will take place of colored police officers as a result of the Seattle City Council’s decision to defund the police.
Aug 11, 2020 · After Monday Morning Looting, Minority Business Owner Fears She Won’t Be Able To Reopen
6 Cities Where Looters Are Ransacking Minority-Owned Businesses
Jun 02, 2020 · Station owner Maya Santamaria wrote on her GoFundMe page: “Small, minority business owners found themselves with the businesses that they worked their fingers to the bone building, destroyed.
Here Are Just 10 of the Many Minority-Owned Businesses ...
Jun 05, 2020 · All of this is to say that while the current looting and rioting may stem in part from understandable frustrations, it is disastrously counterproductive. Not only has it destroyed the livelihoods of many individual black and minority business owners, it has also undercut the economic foundation of urban and minority communities.
So many of the stories I watched, were of black business owners cleaning up the mess, one was being interviewed as his bar was being robbed, black men were killed by other black men as they tried to defend their businesses.
The answers to the questions you are asking are easy to find.
If you want to find them.Yeah, Ken, I'm sure you saw a whole bunch of politicians, all with "D" burned into their foreheads out there rioting with the looters, didn't you?
Portland Democrat Mayor Joins Riots
https://gellerreport.com/2020/07/portla … dded.html/
Atlanta Mayor joins protests that turn into riots
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mayor … r-BB154JsW
Seattle Mayor supports protesters, defunds police
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news … e-protests
Council Members, Mayors, a whole lot of Democrat politicians have been out there with the rioters (aka protesters) supporting them, condoning there actions, defunding their police force or firing them.
Very easy to find this information, internet is still allows the truth to get out there, to those looking for it.Yep, you can find anything you want in news labeled "conservative news you can trust".
Or you can keep your head buried in the hole-of-lies created for you by the likes of CNN, MSNBC, NYTimes, WPost... all bias and all misleading all the time.
You are misdirecting, Ken.
The systemic problems associated with why a so much larger percentage of black owned businesses fold across the country and why they are being short changed in the administration of the relief programs can not be explained by the riotous behavior in a handful of cities.
Reality already has us divided by race and sex, what else is new? You are in favor of the status quo, how much room does that give for negotiation and discussion?
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"When the politicians of the Party you believe in, when the media sources you trust, are telling you to riot, to blame white people, to hate the police, how can we come together to address these issues?"
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This is a superlative exaggeration of reality. Yes, I do blame YOUR system for not working for all of us in the same way. A need to review police department procedures in many cities does not hurt and is not akin to hating the police. Nobody is telling anyone to riot but the voices demanding change will not be silenced albeit they express themselves peacefully and within the framework of the law.At this point, I have lost track of what change you feel is necessary for regard to law enforcement. Sorry, but to me, the message was lost weeks ago, and now the voice is silenced once again by the ridiculous actions of the rioters and the non-sensical BLM demands. In many weeks we have not heard anything more from the media about the purpose of the protests. The voices were well drowned out by all the foolishness. No really, the media has moved on, the story is cold.
Could you tell me what you would like to see happen with law enforcement? Just a bit of what change you yourself would like to see changed.
sharlee, let me ask you then, what do you think of the report and it becomes easy why WE remained unsatisfied.
I can't argue with statistics however, and I am also taken aback that 41 percent of black owned business have failed under the pandemic compared with 17 percent of white businesses. When we talk about a fair system, I should not be seeing so much of this. Why am I always seeing it?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/black-owne … -pandemic/
And (please see link provided in my earlier comment to Ken)
As for law enforcement, body cams on all officers whenever they are on duty
Better pre psych screening of cops to sort out those with the wrong personality and temperament profiles.
Specific procedures on arrest and use of restraint techniques.
Living in LA during the 1970s, I think that police departments are allowed to be far too independent relative to municipal control that is to be exercised by the Mayor. Gates who was in charge of the LA PD was a god unto himself. He defied any multitude of Mayors who came and went.
The differences in how these pandemic programs are applied and made effective as well as the obvious difference in how and why the pandemic has affected the economic prospects for small businesses which theorectically should be, for the most part, in the same boat is just one of the reasons that Dr. Carson's suggestions are not more widely embraced.Wall Street Journal report last month, the small businesses that received aid "weren't always the ones with the greatest needs or the best chances to survive the coronavirus pandemic;" instead, "a firm made the cut often came down to how and where it banked." It would appear a great many black-owned businesses were fairly new, some newly opened due to Trump's "opportunity zones", and lacked the proper banking connections. The lack of a sufficient relationship with a bank did put minority business owners in a tuff spot and made it increasingly difficult for minorities to navigate the obstacles necessary to secure a federal loan successfully. The PPP program was the first time some black and Latino business owners had ever sought a bank loan and, according to the New York Times, "many banks considered applications only from existing customers; some, like Bank of America, even turned away people who had opened credit cards through other lenders."
It is clearly a fact the pandemic has caused many black businesses to close, and it is very unfortunate it looks like it was due to the "red tape" due to needing a good association with a bank, which many through no fault of their own did not have the time needed to make those relationships.
A Census Bureau survey that was released last week detailed how over 38% of U.S. small businesses confirmed they had received the assistance they sought via a PPP. It is positive to see so many small businesses did receive a good percentage of the PPP money.
In regard to law enforcement reform. Many cities have all that you listed. I live in the Detroit area, We have all of what you mentioned. We have a great police chief, Chief James Craig. When he came to Detriot some years ago he reformed the department along with the Mayor's blessings. I can't say what other cities have, but I would imagine many may have the same as Detriot. Your wish list is a good one that all departments should have in place.
As for law enforcement, body cams on all officers whenever they are on duty
Better pre psych screening of cops to sort out those with the wrong personality and temperament profiles.
Specific procedures on arrest and use of restraint techniques.
I must remind you due to the election nearing --- Trump's recent police-reform executive order, the First Step Act, released thousands of people from jail (90 percent of whom were black). He has promoted “opportunity zones” that incentivized private investment into marginalized communities, and also increased federal funding to historically black colleges and universities by 17 percent — a total exceeding $100 million, more than any president in history. Meanwhile, I must point out the Obama administration infamously removed a two-year Bush-administration program that annually funded $85 million directly to these prized institutions.I hear you, it is just puzzling why Black owned businesses are always new and novice, relative to white owned businesses. Black and Hispanic business owners have complained about banks not being supportive in the same way.
None of these programs are any good if they just exist on paper but when it is time to make the application, there are "other" boundaries making any intended stimulus inaccessible and thereby, useless.
I have been attempting to have people see the obvious, that the results of the pandemic are responsible for the vast closures of minority businesses. This has little if anything to do with protests.
Well, I am pleased to hear that Detroit is proactive about the issue and not waiting for a tragedy to bring the need for reform to the forefront.
I guess that I need to read up a little more on the First Step Act and see what the participants have to say about how much assistance they receive from the program..
Thanks.Man--- you are a hard sell ... LOL
"I hear you, it is just puzzling why Black owned businesses are always new and novice, relative to white owned businesses. Black and Hispanic business owners have complained about banks not being supportive in the same way."
Not to sound off-handed, Ask Obama, ask Bush, ask ---- etc.
Under Trump, the number of Black business owners jumped significantly under Trump. Nixson's executive order for Minority Business Development Agency (MBDA) kicked off the growth of minority business ownership. Nixon recognized that, although minority-owned businesses then were only 4 percent of America’s businesses, and hoped to empower the entrepreneurial spirit of minority men and women was vital for the future of the American economy. Today, the minority population has more than tripled to 129 million, or 39 percent of the total United States population. Minorities own an estimated 29 percent of classifiable businesses, which are growing at twice the rate of non-minority businesses.
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New data from Census analyzed by The Business Journals shows that the number of Hispanic-, African-American- and Asian-owned businesses has increased significantly in the last decade, businesses achieving the highest amount of growth at 46 percent.
To build on this prior success, in the last two fiscal years, MBDA helped facilitate almost $12 billion in contracts and financing to minority enterprises, helping create or retain over 35,000 jobs. In 2018, they awarded grants in high-impact areas where minorities need assistance the most — education, access to capital, and technology.
The Trump Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, Opportunity Zones provide a tax incentive to invest in areas where the unemployment rate is about 1.6 points higher than average. Approximately 56 percent of Opportunity Zone residents are minorities. Leveraging Opportunity Zone financing is a unique chance for minority businesses and communities to advance through new private-sector capital. Trump should receive credit where it's due... And yes, the pandemic is a big part of why many minorities as well Caucasians lost their businesses.
Now, do you feel the proposed tax hikes Biden is running on will help minorities in any respect? Will putting the old Obama regulations back in play help businesses?
Biden will take the country backward, not forward.
Do check out the specifics of The First Care Act. The media did not cover it well.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ … ppens-next
I wish when BLM hoped to really be heard after Mr. Floyd's death they would have chosen to make every attempt to meet with the President. Because I truly believe he would have sat down with them, and worked on solving some of the big problems they hope to solve.
It odd, but this president is open to meeting with any American's that seek help. One only needed to follow his daily appointments early o in his presidency to realize this. He posted his daily agenda daily on Facebook. for his first two years and then one day it stopped. But it was fascinating to read each morning. I have come to see he cares about all American's. He is a problem solver, and yes he is ill-spoken, unguarded with what he says, but very open to hear all other's opinions.
I believe four more years of Trump could put the country on a sound footing. We need someone that solves the problem, not create more through upheaval.Well, Sharlee, here is my contribution to the discussion. The only positive information about Trump's accomplishments relative to black businesses and employment come from the administration itself. I need more.
Some background
https://www.benetrends.com/blog/minorit … statistics
I am seeing more articles like this from sources that are not tied to the Adminstration than otherwise.
https://apnews.com/d7a35c3d0ad342ad8b3a … employment
I have noted the bipartisan efforts to reform the prison system. I have heard this for some time and I am impressed and astonished that Republicans in principle can get on board with such a concept.OK --- First the article you prefer has old stats and an opinion that was based on information the author obtained in 2018. The article was written on Aug 15, 2018. Your first article was written in 2020... More relevant.
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/432 … businesses
Please have a look at what's going on today 2020...
https://www.guidantfinancial.com/small- … -business/
Maybe you might realize Black business people are doing much better under Trump due to his regulation cuts as well as a gateway to good loan opportunities, not to mention all kinds of tax breaks for small businesses.
Most of all of these newfound perks will go away under a Democratic government. Although I would think the demeaning handouts will be back. Actually this is a very important election for black people, it just may take away the gains they received in the past four years. The Democrats are well known for big promises, then forgetting those promises quickly after votes are tallied.
No, I am not, I am actually being open and honest...
The businesses in Portland, LA, Min, Seattle, Atlanta, etc. etc. that were looted and/or burned down... do you think they were White businesses or White neighborhoods?
"The number of black-owned businesses spiked 35 percent from 2007 to 2012, the most recent data available, compared with the 2 percent increase for all businesses, Census Bureau data shows. But economists and business owners say many of those gains could be wiped out by the fresh challenge of civil unrest after the one-two punch of the novel coronavirus and ensuing recession."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business … ebuilding/
"It’s reasonable to conclude that the long-term economic costs of this vandalism, rioting, and looting will disproportionately burden minorities — the group this radical activism ostensibly purports to support.
This isn’t just speculation. It’s exactly what has happened in the past.
A 2005 Vanderbilt University study examined the rioting and unrest that broke out in the late 1960s during the civil rights movement. It finds that much of it occurred in minority neighborhoods, such as the predominantly black Watts neighborhood in Los Angeles.
The study’s authors explain that riots and unrest can have serious economic consequences because the resulting uncertainty and chaos suppress business investment and economic activity."
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin … esses-most
"For three consecutive nights starting on Wednesday, May 27, rioters pummeled blocks worth of buildings near the Minneapolis’ Third and Fifth police precincts, inflicting heavy damage.
On Thursday night, protesters torched and heavily vandalized the Third Precinct, and destroyed at least 20 nearby buildings, including several restaurants, an Auto Zone, Minnehaha Lake Wine & Spirits, a U.S. Post Office, a cellphone store and the building that housed Talk Town Diner, El Nuevo Rodeo and others. Midtown Corner, a multi-story affordable housing project that was still under construction, erupted into a towering inferno, burning so hot that it melted siding off a nearby house."
https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis … 569930671/
I say again, the facts are out there, if you want to find them.
Tens of thousands of businesses were looted, burned, or otherwise unable to do business because of the riots... which have gone on in many cities for MONTHS now.
Most of these businesses were minority owned... and most of them didn't have enough (or no) insurance or savings to draw on to recover from it.Ken, there were estimated 1M Black owned small businesses, are you telling me that riots and destruction are responsible that more than 440,000 failed or even adequately explain the difference between 17 and 44 percent.
It is not only Black communities that were affected. What you keep trying to avoid is that there are disadvantages that blacks have with banks and loans and the buffers that allow white businesses to weather storms that we cannot. Where does that advantage come from?
Are the banks committed to equal opportunity lending? I have to wonder The statistical average differences in Net worth explain why Blacks have so little room for error while whites more often have resources to fall back on. Whites are not smarter, so how did they obtain this incredible advantage? Or do I have to answer that one for you, too? How did you end up with all these things and we have none of it living within society and culture?
All this minority having a "leg up" stuff doesn't translate when one looks at the statistics on the ground.
It is more complicated and involved than your explanation and we both know it.
Like I said before, just because you remove a dagger from a man's back does not means the injury disappears.So, a white-owned business has more of a chance of having a financial cushion to survive this pandemic crisis and that is deemed a racial inequity of the system. Do I have that right as the point of your comment about "statistics?"
Come on Cred. We both know statistics are only useful when they reinforce a point of view. They don't mean beans when it comes to the reality of life.
If you want an example of that point, look to restaurants. Statistics say they should only sell sodas, (as in the most profitable items on their menus), yet Ruth's Chris Steakhouse—selling steaks, (one of the statistically least profitable of menu items), one of the most profitable of all national chains.
Statistics are for academics, not real life. How many variables might you think impact those minority-owned business statistics you are tossing out as proof of your point? Could a financial set-back cushion affect your statistics? How about a banking relationship factor? Or what about the difference between a business started on a shoe-string and operating on a daily cash basis vs. a business started with an investment and operating on a capital projection basis?
You have to get over this "statistics" thing. You know as well as I do how easily those numbers are manipulated to support whatever point is being made.
GAGA,I dunno. You folks use statistics when you make your points. It is just statistics you like verses those that you don't? You don't really expect me to give credibility to anything that is not supported by data from reliable sources. Can I cite the Bureau of Labor standards as being a more reliable source than somebody's opinion?
So, you dismiss this perhaps because it is convenient to do so, or it makes for a cover for a problem that is obvious to me but not for so many that would rather deny that it exists. If you make any statement you are going to have to do better to substantiate it than "I said so". The Right has to expect that their views and perspectives on things will have to be substantiated. You yourself would expect nothing less.
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"So, a white-owned business has more of a chance of having a financial cushion to survive this pandemic crisis and that is deemed a racial inequity of the system. Do I have that right as the point of your comment about "statistics?,"
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Yes, it is..... besides your opinion, what evidence do you have challenging statistical data?
If we don't have statistics, we are we left with the sole observations of individuals with agenda. A lot like Trump saying the pandemic was not serious, and what was the basis for that, his opinion?
These are just excuses for messages that you soon not have to hear. Sorry, I don't buy any of it.
As I have told you, conservatives types are not good with ambiguity, my reality is not yours.I wasn't challenging your statistics or their value Cred. I was challenging the notion that 'they say it all'
Your statistic could be accurately framing the problems that you say are real, (and I can agree with that), but it could also be the result of many non-white-leg-up reasons.
My point was that because a statistic points to a preferred or apparent explanation doesn't mean it is the only or complete explanation.
GAGreat, GA, the onus is on you to prove what is missing to counter my argument.
Statistics have got to be worth a lot more than opinions and conjectures from those that could well be fixated on their own agendas, rigid attitudes.... depending on where they are tallied and by whom. You trust all sources?
You countered your own argument with your link Cred. Statistics are worth something, but in too many cases that worth really is no more than "opinions and conjectures.:
Fort instance, your link starts off with conjectures:
"Several factors explain the high rate of closures of black-owned businesses. Perhaps most important, many lack access to bank credit, making it harder to survive financial emergencies. Many are micro-enterprises, providing a livelihood to a sole proprietor or a few employees at most. Profit margins are thin, while owners' financial savings are often meager, making them vulnerable to sudden downturns."
Notice the use of "Perhaps" and the suppositions concerning micro-businesses.
Even the hard supporting data—95% denied PP loans, only poses a question of why. Were they denied because of the color of their skin, or their type of business, or the structure of their business, ie. number of employees, etc. Of course, conclusions can be drawn, and they may be valid conclusions but they are only indicators, not proof.
Consider how much more confidence those conclusions could have if that 41% number was relevant to identical businesses instead of comparing two groups containing probably hundreds of different entities.
I am not arguing that your statistics are wrong, I am arguing that they don't prove your conclusions.
What if the basket of black businesses were 95% sole proprietorships that went into debt to buy vehicles and equipment and their successful operation was based on daily cash flow like the Wedding and Event planners in your linked article, and the basket of white businesses only contained 5% such businesses? Surely, you can see how such variables can affect the conclusions drawn.
I am not a fan of drawing conclusions from macro-statistics. At best they should only be used as indicators of directions for further study.
Your 41% statistic almost certainly contains factual circumstances of white advantage, but it could also contain dozens of other circumstances.
GAA lot of variables.
Easier access to SBA Loans and Start Up funding, without the experience and depth of knowledge to keep a business alive.
More than half of businesses fail within their first year. This number increases dramatically in the first five years of running a business, when the number is claimed to rise as high as 90 percent.
There are various factors to this as well, from overburdening a business with debt and the economic benefit of going bankrupt and starting a new business with a clean financial slate.
There is also a mindset/outlook to this.
I have watched a lot of Youtube videos regarding starting up a business, how to gain access to money and credit. There often is a different messaging coming from such videos made by young minorities... more of a "this is how you get free money" not so much a "this is how you succeed" instructional mindset.
However...
This is where you come into generational benefits and class differences.
One of my arguments has always been this is as much as a CLASS issue as it is a RACE issue, if not more.
If you are from an educated background with at least one parent that has had some success in business or investments, then this knowledge is likely to be passed down.
Much of what is learned and what expects from oneself comes from what one observes. The saying "you are who you surround yourself with" has merit, humans are designed to be tribal, and learn from what they see around them.
If you grow up watching your father run a business, build houses, run a bank, or something along those lines... more often than not these values and lessons are going to be absorbed, this becomes the accepted norm.
If you don't have these examples in life, if you don't have the parents (extended family) to give guidance and advice on how to attain such success, finding those pathways, and getting that knowledge is substantially harder.
It appears to be a race thing, and it appears to be worse for blacks... especially given Credence's percentages, because they have been the beneficiaries the past decade or more of increasingly favorable opportunity to receive small grants and SBA loans for their businesses.
But having access to that start-up funding, and having the background and knowledge of how to run a business, are two different things.
I don't care if you are white or black, if you are given money to start a business, but don't have the background, experience, dedication, and discipline (to do the right things financially with your money) you are going to fail when hard times hit, if not sooner.
To extend on that...
It is easier to keep a business alive when you have multiple sources of income. This is a reality of the 21st century, and many people, regardless of race, have yet to catch on.
The mindset of having a 40 hour job, or the mindset of I own this (singular) business, worked well in the 20th century... it likely means you will fail in the 21st century. As many are finding out.
You need a job, or two, and a business, or two, and learn how to trade stocks, or forex, or sell things on ebay, or write books/articles, etc. etc.
Putting all your eggs into one basket has never been more likely to fail than in today's world.Ken, I know that business startups are inherently risky.
My sister married into a family of old wealth generated from an nationally renown retail store. She started a business of her own, wanting to establish her independence and not be one of those wives that fixate on polishing their nails all day. She started and fell on her butt immediately, but because of the money that was in the family she got a "second bite at the apple", and a third. It was interesting to see the power of inherited wealth and the advantages it bestows. She has things going well, now.
this is wealth accumulated from decades, well over a century in fact. While, I know that all white people are not rich, there is more than substantial evidence that more of them simply have access to more resources than we do on average. Oprah is the exception and not the rule.
we have to refer to the relative recent history, where we were not allowed to "own banks" and examples of upward mobility were not found in our communities, because the opportunities were not available and denied. You have that advantage of experience and role models that gives you a step up. The deficit for us is evident and my point is that we are not fault for all of this.
How is that whites have the background and experience and blacks do not? How did we get to this point where we have this difference?
There are rules and risks inherent for anyone going into business for themselves, and no one can be protected from unseen occurrences or failure to properly prepare. But why are the majority of these failures and the associated fragility of their operations correlated with being a black owned small business? Within the same milieu, I would expect to find a more evenly distributive representation of successes and failures over all.Is the answer then to take what the wealthy would give to their children to start a business with and force them to give it to a stranger simply because that stranger has dark skin? I don't think so.
"How is that whites have the background and experience and blacks do not? How did we get to this point where we have this difference?"
One of the biggest reasons is that liberals have simply shoveled money to the poor (of all races, not just black) rather than encouraging (or forcing) them to support themselves. We have a vast reservoir of people in this country (of all races) that feed at the public trough rather than take a risk, get an education or whatever it takes to support themselves. And that is not limited to people with more melanin in their skin; it is country wide.I am not talking about the solution, we are at the causality stage. Your answers are diversions instead of dealing with questions directly What does this to do with the adverse statistics concerning black owned businesses?
you are just venting in a directionless manner..... so what trough are you drinking from?But I gave you a causality, or at least one of the reasons for the disparity, IMO. "One of the biggest reasons is that liberals have simply shoveled money to the poor (of all races, not just black) rather than encouraging (or forcing) them to support themselves."
In reference to the specific of black owned business, few blacks try to open a business...because they don't need to, getting their support from government instead of themselves. Fewer still are successful...because they haven't made the effort to learn about how to run a business, simply taking money to open one from government. It goes on and on in that manner, IMO. And it does so for ALL races, not just blacks.- well, forcing is taboo, widerness, a better word is encourage.
Encouragement needs to start in the home, in the school and in society.
Forcing only makes people rebel.
Of course, life and survival is pretty much forced upon all of us equally.
But in the beginning of a child's life, there is a better way to educate him for the sake of facilitating his ability to survive. It has to do with more freedom within stricter boundaries.
It has to do with concrete learning via teacher guided self-teaching. It has to do with teachers dealing with the whole child by knowing his background, his learning style and his intrinsic motivations/ interests. It has to do with encouraging a child to learn as opposed to forcing him to learn. It has to do with fostering and preserving the joy of life every child is born with. It has to do with providing appropriate learning opportunities in the home and classroom environment. A new direction in early education and beyond FOR ALL would certainly help.... it's not the capital that counts in life. It's the motivation, the interest/necessity, the ambition, the ability to add and subtract, to write, to think, to network harmoniously with others.
Q. What is to stop blacks or whites ... or any other race of people?
A. A mindset that is fostered from birth on.
Q. Who is doing the fostering?
A. The parents.No, it is the money that matters, in truth. all of the rest rolls off from the tongue easily, but that is not how things work. My sister attests to that.
This mindset reveals your belief in your own limitation. God truly helps those who help themselves.
You have access as do I to the power of creative thinking. You just need to never give up, believe in your goals, and be willing to start small. How things work: Like a loaf of bread that starts out as a lump, but rises and is baked into something beautiful to behold and then eat.
That is a pretty addled comment, and borders on racist. Why are most people not able to start business, the lack of capital is first and foremost. But white people have all this knowledge through osmosis?
So, in your view, what is the difference between white people and black people?
it is quite simple, whites generally have accumulated wealth and have given them advantage in weathering downturns and resources among themselves to begin startups. If you have 10 times as much net worth how much more possibilities are there? I am not making this up, that disparity is documented everywhere. Where did you get this advantage?
Add on to having an easier time acquiring loans as it has been stated that banks have not always been as supportive to minority businesses, despite all the superficial policies and declarations to the contrary.
The background and experience comes from having access to resources and advantages over long periods of time. At least not having the "rug" pulled out from you. Wealth take time to generate.
To deny that would be to choose to turn ones head 180 degrees from what is clearly in front of you."Where did you get this advantage?"
Some undoubtedly from relatives, but far more (IMO) from hard work. The half dozen or so people I know that have started a business all saved hard to accumulate the capital necessary. None started out fresh out of high school; it took years of work to accumulate that cash.Exactly. I don't know anyone either who inherited large sums.
Thanks to the sinister nature of Your system, we don't have wealthy and well to do relatives to fall back on. We all know people, Wilderness, I am talking about national statistics, not the biased myopic view that either you or I would have to see what it is that we want to see.
True wealth is generational in its attainment for most.
Yes, undercapitalization is probably the primary reason for small business failure, But right on it's heels is lack of knowledge on how to run a business.
You can claim osmosis as you wish, but I would think that it is because, on the average they get a better education. Fewer high school dropouts, more help and encouragement from parents concerning school, etc.
But tell me - do you find that a lifetime of welfare encourages risk taking? Does it promote a willingness to work hard, perhaps for less income (and it WILL be less during the early stages of an eventual successful business)? Does the entitlement philosophy ("you owe me for reparations for what some white guy did to some black guy 100 years ago, neither of which have a connection to either of us!") produce a strong work ethic?Basic arithmetic and common sense would tell you that if your family had 10 times the wealth of mine, it is easier to begin a business and sustain it to a successful outcome.
All this stuff about family and all that is just conjecture on your part and does not mitigate the fact of the elephant in the room while you chase after gnats.
With more resources, you have the advantage to acquire the knowledge and establish connections with financial institutions that we have been stifled from accomplishing ourselves due nationally ordained theft, deJure and deFacto and discriminatory practices against black people over so long a period of time.
What is with you and this Welfare thing? Do you think all Blacks are on welfare? I thought as a man of the world that you make yourself out to be, you would know better.
The lack of resources discourages risk taking, how much more basic can it be than this? Are people on welfare rolling in money beyond providing food and shelter? Everybody works hard to survive Wilderness. To think that there is no advantage to having far greater financial resources to support your hard work is simply unrealistic.
The philosophy of reparations have nothing to do with a work ethic. The White establishment bushwhacked black people in mass for centuries and the effects of that still resonate as seen through these obvious disparities today.
Neither you nor I had just "fallen from a turnip truck", Wilderness.
So, let cut through the BS, shall we?
Is the answer then to take what the wealthy would give to their children to start a business with and force them to give it to a stranger simply because that stranger has dark skin?
Nope.
The answer is to get rid of the American myth that everybody can "make it". The thought that if you are poor it is your own fault. The thought that if you are poor it is because you are stupid.
This reasoning makes people who are less poor happy as they get a feeling of superiority above the poor. It is in other words a cast system build on money.
The same cast system has benefited the whites for generations. Not only in the US but everywhere in the western world.
The blacks couldn't even buy property until the '50 in the US if I'm correct. And a lot of money is in the property as this is wealth you give to your children. With every generation, poor people have to start over again, were wealthy (read white) families got richer.
Some are lucky, and these are used as examples that you can "make it". But that's like saying "you can be a millionaire if you buy a lottery ticket, some people do..."
There is so much discrimination against the poor which is very effective as it gives the poor no chance to get better. And in the process, you keep the whites privileged and feeling superior."Some are lucky, and these are used as examples that you can "make it". But that's like saying "you can be a millionaire if you buy a lottery ticket, some people do..."
It's the "Oprah syndrome"Blacks were never prohibited from purchasing property in the US. You might be referencing discrimination in housing, mostly perpetrated in the north.
I was referring to the Fair Housing Act of 1968.
But that was not directly the core of my comment, but written as a side note.I understand it was a blurb in the overall comment. I just find it strange a foreigner would comment blacks were prohibited from buying property here. The fair housing act was directed at discriminatory behavior by some entities. Which is a far stretch from the gist of that part of your comment.
It's not so far fetched Livetolearn. The core is the myth of "from paperboy to millionaire." Anybody can make it in the US. And if you don't make it, it is your own fault. In other words, the poor are stupid and lazy.
But it is not the poor's fault they are poor. They are not stupid, they are not lazy. But as many poor are black, blacks are seen as lazy and stupid. Although nobody will call them so straight on.
Why so many blacks are poor is not because they are stupid or lazy. So there must be a different reason. The percentage of blacks owning property is low, and one of the reasons why black families could not accumulate wealth over generations. This is one reason, there are more. So the discrimination in the housing estate market for over a 100 years didn't help to get the blacks the same status as the whites. This can be extended to private schooling versus cheap education and so on. This is the famous institutional discrimination. Not directly against blacks, but to keep the poor poor and the rich rich. This is a worldwide phenomenon, that's why I made a comment.Who, what, when and how is keeping the poor poor and the rich rich, world wide?
This is just wrong on so many counts, but I'll address only the "And a lot of money is in the property as this is wealth you give to your children.".
While it is true that some people (a very small minority) manage to pass wealth to their children, the vast majority leave only a small inheritance, if any, to their kids.
And those kids have already made their way in life before receiving that wealth. They already have their job, their family, their home, etc.; any wealth is generally used for "play" rather than to buy a home or other long term investment. They take a cruise, they buy a boat or other major toy, but what recipients of an inheritance do NOT do is buy their first home.
Each generation, outside of the truly wealthy, actually DO "start over again" with each generation. Whether poor or simply middle class, they start over.Often times, what is handed down is squandered.
It's not wrong at all wilderness.
Everybody passes on wealth to there children. There is a difference in kids growing up with parents owning a house, and kids with parents who have to spend their money on rent.
It's the headstart that counts. If your grandfather bought a house and it passes to your father and he passes it to you. It is different then if you don't have a grandfather with a house. Your father may have sold the house, but the money is invested in something else. May this be a suit so he will look smarter for a job interview, whatever. The money is there in different forms. This money is not available for the child who's grandfather hadn't a house.
Wealth gradually accumulates. not directly in numbers on the bank account, but in a better job, better schooling, status etc. This natural process is disturbed by hurdles and discrimination. As the ruling class do not want other people to succeed. Especially not from a different "clan" (black, or different religion, different background or different sex.)
This is not just an American phenomenon. You see it in all cultures.Parents do want their children to succeed. Who is the "ruling class?"
GA,
what is the basis about coming to conclusions about anything without statistical data?
I don't think that information from the Bureau of Labor Standards is subject to the bias you speak of, if it were how could we believe anything other than what it is we want to believe?
why are black businesses at these disadvantage points and vast majority of white owned businesses are not? It is more than just coincidence or the "luck of the draw".
You need proof to "counter" what appears to an obvious explanation of the disparities from my point of view.
I am not denying that several variables have to taken into consideration before declaring blanket findings. But when you tell me that the average family has 1/10 the wealth of the average black family, for example, it has to be more than the incidental circumstances that you suggest to explain so vast a disparity and difference.
Why are not black owned businesses experiences not more like those that white businesses. Why the difference, if we are all supposedly in the "same boat"?
In your 95% sole proprietorship example, what are the variables that explain the difference as why blacks have to operate as sole proprietorships while white businesses have the advantage of not having to operate that way in a very huge and demonstrable difference. Perhaps, I am asking WHY the variables?
Lets not fail to acknowledge white advantage is a major player here, that outside of incidentals explain most of the stark differences in outcomes that we are seeing
The First Rule of Statistics: Anyone can manipulate statistics to support any side of an argument as our friend Credence as done.
2nd Rule: There is a process through which we can measure statistics fairly accurately. Students of business are educated in these matters---- or at least my son was.... and he has educated me.Savvy,
The kinds of people in my experience that deny the value of statistics are those:
1. Like your President who gets into trouble with Twittertwit and Facebook,, wanting to make statements and have them accepted at face value. Statistics exposes the truth and substantiate positions on opposing sides from just matter of opinion. Who would not want to avail themselves of this information?
2. Conservatives are too often anti-intellectual and anti-science. How does that fit in the modern world? That, too, is a bonehead attitude, displayed by your President, that his hunches and intuition takes value over the findings of experienced experts in any particular field.
3. People who want to shut down debate and information they don't want to deal with, attacks the messenger rather than the message, and can be counted on to presents stats of their own when it supports their position. So, it is not about stats, more than it is about by MY stats verses your own.
So, if you question the value of my statistics, come with your own to PROVE me wrong.Oh Credence...... There you go again...
"Conservatives are too often anti-intellectual and anti-science."
Another typical attack. Boorrring!!!
"People who want to shut down debate and information they don't want to deal with, attacks the messenger rather than the message, and can be counted on to presents stats of their own when it supports their position. So, it is not about stats, more than it is about by MY stats verses your own."
Talk about calling the kettle black.
"So, if you question the value of my statistics, come with your own to PROVE me wrong."
What you fail to understand is that statistics already prove you wrong, so I do not need to come up with anything. Statistics did it all for me and for everyone else on this planet.
Not that you're actually interested, but here is a brief video clip from 1981 regarding statistics and how they are to be properly used. Thomas Sowell was a young man back then. The message still applies today.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_pQ7KXv0o0I don't want to be rude, Savvy, so I AM INTERESTED and watched your video and agreed with Dr. Sowell's analysis and the method as to how he derived his data.
The examples that he gave regarding explanations of racial outcome disparities that are not necessarily explained by structural and systemic racism were spot on.
But, on the subject of the fact that Blacks have less one tenth the wealth of the average white household, I am attempting to dig further using the rationale employed by Sowell. This, to determine how much of the explanation is not related to systemic and structural discrimination.
I will do a little research to determine when adjusting for equivalent education and income if the disperity remains and to what extent. What would conservatives tell me regarding the explanation for that difference? I will get back with you.
Perhaps, I am looking the right direction with this article which attempts to explain the disparity of black verses white constant in regards to income.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front … ealth-gap/Hello Credence.....You were not rude and I appreciate your having watched the video. I will say that the statistics quoted by the Brookings article, seem suspect at best. However, I do believe that Democrat policies have failed the black community for many decades; ie., The New Deal, busing, segregation, Jim Crow laws, Margaret Sanger's Planned Parenthood which specifically targeted black mothers, welfare promised as long as the father leaves the home and all the broken homes and children without a father as a result of that. Those are ALL Democrat policies that Conservatives fought against!
The list goes on and on. All despicable policies meant to keep the black community dependent on Democrats. They, the Democrats in power, have manipulated black people but they do not care one iota about whether you succeed. They only care about your vote. Even today, the Democrats refuse to allow minority children to attend charter schools instead of failing, inner city public schools. In fact, they want the black community to remain dependent and uninformed forever. That is why they use emotional language and race baiting to keep the black community tied to their base.
They care about their power; not about your suffering. That is why all Democratic run cities are in turmoil.
Nevertheless, there is equal opportunity for those who can somehow manage to free themselves from the victimization of a Party that does not care. Black men and women can and have risen to great heights of power. They do so through determination and hard work. They threw off the cloak of dependence and have created wonderful lives for themselves and their families. I see it all around me every day. Many blacks and minorities are waking up to the truth and are walking away from the Democrat Party once and for all.Why are the Brookings findings suspect? Can your opinion and agenda take precedence over statistical data? That is the problem I have with hard core conservatives types.
You have to be quite an anachronism to see the New Deal as a failed Democrat party initiative. Only the hardest core of hard core Rightwingers still take issue with the 1930s initiative.
You do what all Conservative do, take the Democratic Party ideology of 125 years ago and apply it today and that is incorrect. Today, I have more trouble with the GOP in voter suppression, watering down Civil Rights legislation and Consumer Finance Protection Board as a current example. The Jim Crow, segregation advocacy belonged to "another" Democratic Party. The GOP were not so much adversaries until 1964 with Goldwater and the States Rights stuff, clearly in direct opposition to Democrat Lyndon Johnson's efforts to make Civil Rights a national agenda. So, I don't know who you are attempting to deceive here?
Do you not think that the Republican Party has not changed its allegiances over the last 150 years?
Well, Savvy, most of us don't see the Democrats relative to conservative Republicans the way you do. I don't get how a handful of conservative thinkers want to tell us, all of us, who our true adversaries are as if they are really in a position to know, understand or even care.
I tell Conservatives who love to point to an exception as the rule the sheer error in their reasoning. As for "many" minorities "waking up", I would be so bold to say that Black GOP support still remains at around 10 percent and considerably less among Black females. That hasn't changed much since 1964.
I comprehend well enough, that in total, Black communities have been at a severe disadvantage that they have had to work through over the decades.
But the laws, systemic biases, social benefits and scholarships and grants are there to help to a point where there is more opportunity for someone considered a minority than someone who is not.
This is a good way to help compensate for not being born into better circumstances, and due to past racial discriminations.
Look at the information I provided in my last response... "black-owned businesses spiked 35 percent from 2007 to 2012, the most recent data available, compared with the 2 percent increase for all businesses"
The people who had been making the most gains, the people who were seeing the most growth and economic success, were blacks.
It was working, those putting in the effort were being given opportunity and were reaping the benefits... the highest paid male actor today... Black... the highest paid comedian... Black... the highest paid QB... Black... until a few years ago... the First Family... Black.
Everything going on today... BLM... the Riots... Antifa... the Democrats and the insanity they are pushing (Open Borders to Restitution) and the support they are giving to these rioters... is undoing decades of successful, peaceful progress.
The "white guilt", the empathy, and the ability to destroy people by calling them a racist... that is all going to come to an end, now. The only people that will be left supporting that are the 30% of Americans brainwashed into believing whatever the Democrats or CNN sells them.
And the neighborhoods and businesses destroyed in these months of looting and rioting, 80% of them will be Black... wiping out the last decade of improvements, wiping out that 35% increase in Black businesses.
You think the people who are defunding and firing police are doing black communities any good with these actions?
Do you think the defunding and firing of a majority of minority police officers helps the Black community?
These "progressives" and their movements... they are the opposite of what went on in the 1960s... the end result of their "protests" will not improve things for Blacks, it will take these Black neighborhoods and Businessmen a decade to recover from these months of rioting and looting.In regard to your first three paragraphs, now, "you're cooking with gas".
Making available free education or at very low cost (community colleges)could go a long way in my opinion to make up for the inequities. This would be available to all.
It may finally silence people like me who believe that this may be an acceptable form of restitution that can be politically palatable.
We can't hope to compete with groups that has had so great a head start without structural barriers to their success, but making education inexpensive and accessible will at least give the marginalized a fighting chance. And, it is the best of available options.
I have put my advocacy for BLM on the shelf for a while. But my acknowledgement of systemic and structural biases in many walks of American life, has not changed and perhaps cannot change until changing demographics creates a new reality on the ground. But, with a little foresight we may not have to wait that long to see the disadvantages become less significant.
I know. (All) whites are so oppressive. I guess they have been since the day the first slave ship arrived from Africa, the country responsible for the marketing their own people.
After the civil war, Abraham Lincoln thought it best to send the freed slaves back to Africa, but the merchants who brought them weren't willing. Lincoln warned that they would someday demand reparations.
I really think things were improving for all African Americans in this country, but no!! The BLM movement continues to pinpoint the negative. In so doing, they block all progress made by civil rights movements of the past and the improvements in race relations that have been made and continue to be made in this country. And Trump can be thanked for his contributions toward their positive economic momentum.
"Do the Democrats and the liberals who hate Trump feel it is right to do so?
Isn't hatred the root of racism?"
Hate is the root of racism. And yes those that hate Trump feel it is justified due to truly disliking everything about the man. They feel his character is flawed as well as his morals, and dislike how he expresses himself. many also find his looks revolting. They don't trust his judgement to leadI find it strange to bring the word hate into a political discussion. Just as you would bring the word love into a political discussion.
You argue, come with arguments, points of view. They may be all different but strong emotions like hate or love don't come into a discussion.
Hatred is not the root of racism. The root of racism is tribalism. My clan against yours. That does not automatically include hatred.
To hate is pretty stupid as it does not resolve an issue. To hate somebody you have never met or spoken to personally is even more stupid.
I think it's to easy to accuse somebody from hatred. As you kill a conversation by accusing somebody of such strong emotions.
I am also wondering why the majority of the youth seem to hate Trump?
I mean, why is Trump so unforgivable, especially when he has done so many worthwhile things for America?Again, that is your perspective, why don't you ask a few younger people and find out?
I have, but I noticed they won't tell me what they R E A L L Y think.
(The sixties/early seventies amped up, is what I think is going on.
Now its hatred of those who are over thirty, rather than merely not trusting them ...
maybe.)They are probably asking, do you really want to know? Can you handle the truth? You might not like what you hear.
Conservatives are known not to be good with subtle nuances, the reality of ambiguities within a world they see as only black and white.Kathryn. Neither you, Credence or myself are properly positioned to speak for the youth of this time. That said, perhaps some personal history might avail you in your statement "(The sixties/early seventies amped up, is what I think is going on.
Now its hatred of those who are over thirty, rather than merely not trusting them". While your photo (and let me say that it is wonderful) might lead one to believe you actually experienced the 60's-70's my reading of your statements such as "You liberals are just wrong about Trump". denotes that you might have been there but were not involved in the social turmoil directly. That is not a judgement, but as one who was on the front lines in the protest of the unjust, undeclared Vietnam (war) conflict at Berkeley, I can tell you that today's youth's problems are, far and away, not remotely like the 60's-70's. For instance, college attendance in 1970 averaged $688 per year for in-state residents attending a public college or university compared to over $7300 now at the same schools. Price has increased accordingly by 1410% to 3009 per cent!!!! The sales pitch is you need a college degree to be successful in todays job market. The takeaway is you're $200,000 in debt before you find a job that might pay, average, $60,000 per year. Meanwhile, back at the ranch.....oh, wait, you can't buy the ranch because you can't afford it with your school loans. Oh, by the way, if you suffer a catastrophic medical issue, your college loans aren't applicable to bankruptcy laws. Finally, in regard to all the comments about branding Liberals as Socialists, for the final time, SOCIALISM is not COMMUNISM! Hubpages is a Social Website. Facebook is a Social Network. If you use or collect Medicare or Social Security, it's to late for you. You're already a Socialist. Remember, there are two sides to every coin. Yours Sincerely, The Masked Marauder.So, who is this masked man?
We share a similar perspective, as far as I am concerned the Socialism so many here complain about is already here and has been here for some time as you made evident in your examples.
The problem that I want to correct is the reality of this system when the fats cats hail capitalism as inviolate in regards to their profits while socializing their losses in public bail outs and "too big to fail" scenarios.First and foremost, "who is this masked man"? LMAO Credence, finally, a Bugs Bunny Fan. I wholly expected to be sued by Warner Brothers before anyone recognized the reference. Yes, we are to some extent, kindred souls when it comes to politics. But you opened a can of worms with your statement alluding to the system when the "fats cats hail capitalism as inviolate in regards to their profits while socializing their losses in public bail outs and "too big to fail scenarios". I respect your bravery in even bringing up the downfall of Democracy by way of vulture capitalism. Borrow money, buy the McMansion, two Lexus in the driveway, 90" HDMI TV in your own home theater and when they've tapped you out, take a bankruptcy and in two years we'll start you up all over. Wash, Rinse, Repeat. And for folks in need, on the lower end of the spectrum, want a credit card? We've got one for you. $1000 credit limit with an APR of 29%. Huh? Twenty nine cents on the dollar? The only thing they're missing is sending Tony Soprano to your door to break your legs if you don't pay up. Honestly, I don't need to do this and many here probably don't either. I'm going to cross the finish line with some change in my pocket because that's all Obama left me but you can be sure Trump and his minions aren't going to get the rest of it. I will be responding to your comment on my article soon. Until then, thank you for your insight and input. I look forward to many future articles from you and the conversations that ensue. Sincerely, The Masked Marauder.
Yes, sir, Marauder, I am a Looney Toons freak. I was supposed to have grown out of these cartoons. But now more than ever, it is nice to a have a laugh where I don't have to think about at whose expense am I laughing, unless there is a union of talking coyotes somewhere to whom I am being insensitive. This laughter is palliative. There is one of my articles (hubs) that salute the crazies from the old Warner Brothers animation studios.
Don't get me started on the credit card thing, it was a clever and sinister substitute by corporate Ameirca to hold back wages relative to the cost of living. You simply are not being paid enough to save so you can now 'charge it' at exorbitant interests rates. But people today can be blamed somewhat for their attitude of instant gratification to always want now, what we once had to save for.
The utter futility of getting middle and working class people to realize that they are being taken by continuing to fight over a larger piece of the crumb that falls from the table of bounty.
I am looking forward to more of your comments, giving it to em with both barrels.
well, Thanks, Mask Marauder. You are right. I graduated high school in 1972 and I wasn't big on politics at the time. I developed an understanding of philosophy by taking classes at the local Community College. I studied Social Science via The Federalist Papers, mostly.
At the university, I studied Art, my true passion. I became a substitute teacher as I have always been very interested in the education of the youth.
Today, I cannot fathom why young adults are so violent and interested in looting and carrying on. I suspect they are frustrated in trying to find a way to fit into today's society. Some of these people are just having trouble. They don't seem to feel included and students have huge student debt, as you mentioned. Is this the fault of the adults who really didn't/don't care about them?
Consider the movies they have been exposed to, the education they have (or haven't) received, the technological games available for them to play, many so violent.
We were just tying to get out of serving in a stupid war in Vietnam. Other than that, we pretty much had it all."Today, I cannot fathom why young adults are so violent and interested in looting and carrying on."
I don't know, Kathryn, but isn't it possible that these looters and rioters are just counterparts of the violent ones on the far right rather than typical liberals? We have the KKK and certain so-called survivor groups who are capable, if provoked, of getting violent. But these people of which you speak seem to be a particular group or groups who are trained by somebody to loot, burn, and otherwise cause trouble. I have seen some stories linking them to foreign nations such as Russia and certain Middle Eastern groups. I don't think, or at least I would like to not think, that they are typical American youth or millennials. Also, if you look at the looters, they seem to represent various races and age groups.
Since I've retired, I don't have the opportunity to be around young people very much. And at work, they were mostly young professionals, both white and black. I respected these young people and they respected me and all of their elders at work who paid them respect. I didn't see this "don't trust anyone over 30." Of course, there are usually one or two in each group, young and older, who don't earn respect from anybody.
As far as seeing disrespect for anyone over 30, I really thought this was a thing of the hippy age and that we had gotten over it. Are you and Mask Marauder telling me that this is not true? Not criticizing, just curious.When I looked closely at the rioters in news clips on TV, I noticed young white women having a great time throwing things, tending to fires or whacking things with hockey sticks. In Portland they proclaim they are fighting the Feds and the whole Trump administration.
Exactly. And when these privileged whites participating in the protests don't get their way you hear it in the video where they are shouting for someone to call the cops.
I am not going to provide a comment that would indicate my personal preference. However, I think we already have a political civil war here. I would love to see the "United" back in our country's name. How sad that we are so biased for one side or the other that we no longer see the gray that overlaps both sides. If I had my way, we'd get rid of the parties and vote on issues. Too bad, we can't. I pray we will become Americans again instead of a nation of Democrats and Republicans. "Hate" is certainly on all sides. I love our country. May God Bless America.
The hate we see from the far left is troubling. The fact that they think it is, somehow, righteous and morally superior does show them to be some sort of a cult. They mirror religious fanaticism, on so many levels.
It does make you wonder. There doesn't appear to be rational thought or consideration for others in their behavior. It's like a two year old throwing a tantrum somehow gained a following. And the not so far left, itself, just exacerbates the problem but pretending reality isn't reality.
I think the not so far left just isn't bright enough to see that the groups labeled the far left despise them as much as any.They seem to be mesmerized by their peers like fish in a school: hypnotized by the flashing of so many shiny slivery scales reflecting the light of sunlight as they swim.
... but in the case of the left, its not true sunlight being reflected, its some weird artificial light.
Good grief, this answer looks just like you've described the extreme right and Trump and his followers.
Of course. The far right is throwing paint on little old ladies, attacking people in wheel chairs and with walkers. They are the ones blocking police in buildings and attempting to set them on fire. They are the ones looting. All the while calling for the dismantling of the police. All while bullying anyone and everyone they can, claiming its all becauseof their moral superiority.
Oh. My bad. That's the far left.Now it's the right wings turn to give come supporting evidence. Last I saw, it was Trump making fun of disabled people. Peaceful supports were different. This bunch of professional rioters who loot and burn buildings are not part of the peaceful protests. They are bussed in from outside. This article focuses on both sides of the question:
"While Trump and Barr have focused on Antifa, the FBI and other agencies are tracking groups from both the extremist right and left involved in the riots and attacks on police."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics … index.html
Both liberal and conservative media agree:
From Fox News:According to multiple U.S. intelligence sources, law-enforcement officials in various departments nationwide and analysts monitoring the activity, the playbook in every city is almost the same: the peaceful protests are organized, and a point place is designated for people to gather in the daylight hours.
But, as the night falls and thousands go home, the looting and discord are ignited by a fresh round of people camouflaged with dark clothing and masks, armed with spray paint for graffiti and sometimes homemade weapons, and their nefarious behavior continues well into the early hours.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/george-floyd … ng-destroyPeaceful protests are fine. I supported the protest in Virginia for gun rights. But, the left is supporting the violence by not calling it out and pretending that somehow, any comments made by anyone they don't agree with are as heinous as the acts of the far left.
I have not seen CNN or CBS doing that. I don't have time to add ABC and NBC to my list. Nor Fox, but I know where commentators like Tucker Carlson stand. He used to write for the Arkansas Democrat Gazette back when he was a nobody. Oh, he still is.
You liberals are just wrong about Trump. He is not against the Jews. He is not a fascist.
He is not a racist.
Its utterly ridiculous, what you guys post and believe.
I have no words for such baloney.School of hard knocks is coming for those who want and get socialism in America.
You'll see!
Unless Trump stays in and continues the progress he implemented and sustained all these years despite the radical left's opposition, slander, impeachment, lies and
ceaseless hatred.
When all he has done, is try to get us to an economically good place and protect us from foreign threats/terrorism and domestic terrorism.
You will regret all you have said and done against such a wise and well-meaning man.
The radical left has just about crucified a perfectly fine, excellent president.
Thanks for nothing.And the school of hard knocks isn't here right now? What progress are you talking about? I see Trump supporters touting all this progress, but I never see them documenting any. This country is in the worst crises ever, and his supporters talk about progress,
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru … -big-banks
Trumps poor performance is prolonging this crisis. People are hurting. Putting them instantly back to work and sending kids to back school so their parents can go to work is exposing millions to the virus. That is his answer.What OTHER answer is there? To shut down the country - not just the small portion already done - and allow people to starve and freeze? To keep children from getting an education? To saddle our children with an absolutely impossible debt load (we're nearly there anyway)?
I think we've done what we could to slow the virus, although a great many refuse to do their own small part. We cannot live cowering in our homes forever; at some point we have to come out and rebuild our economy.Wilderness, let's just hope it works. I heard this morning that the school of which the student posted a congested hallway (and was suspended) had shut down for cleaning and sanitizing.
https://news.yahoo.com/student-took-vir … 55695.html
I'm not against reopening in a careful and intelligent manner, but I'm afraid too many are being rushed. I do have a dog in this fight. My grandchildren are both employed in a large restaurant in Texas. They are fortunate that they've never lost a day's work as their drive through stayed open throughout the pandemic. My granddaughter has expressed concern for the rushed re-openings of businesses.
I think your statement ""...done what we could to slow the virus, although a great many refuse to do their own small part" is the key. Even my grandchildren's mother is one of those who complains about "having her freedom taken away" by having to wear a mask at her job in a store. How would she feel if one of her working children died of the virus because somebody else felt the same way?
BTW, I think that our state's governor, Asa Hutchinson, a conservative Republican, is doing a very good job of handling the crisis in this state. He is cool-headed and articulate and has exercised very good judgment, unlike the governors of GA and FL.Who are you? Are you a Russian troll? How dare you provide a link to a clearly liberal site to articulate your objections to opening schools in a hap-hazard fashion during a deadly pandemic. LOLOLOL. Sorry for baiting you. Your concise and common-sense statement absolutely proves that it is not about the PARTY, it's about the PERSON. I live in South Carolina but I own property in Arkansas as well as West Texas. Hutchinson has done a commendable job in controlling Coronavirus in your state while Governor Abbott (R-Texas) has failed miserably in the Lone Star State. In your comment you have drawn a distinct separation between politicians of the same party and their bi-polar response to a crisis. Hutchinson has crossed party lines to do what's best for all the people under his Governance. Your comment has proven that it's NOT about your declarations, It's about your actions. Your comment is an excellent example of how true Governance should operate. You've more than earned my respect. Sincerely, THE MASKED MARAUDER.
Thank you Masked Marauder. I was trained the right way as a journalist, not to be a rabble rouser. After I left the media, I spent 30 years as a legal editor for the State of Arkansas, and worked my last two while he was governor. I saw him do some things with state agencies that I don't agree with, but I can't fault him for his handling of the coronavirus.
You said a mouthful... We have done what we could to flatten the curve, now we need to continue to use our well-learned mitigations to work, go to school, and do the very best we can... And encourage those around us to do the same. We really need to rebuild our communities, not sure people realize we have many problems that are not really being reported. People are pouring into food banks, many losing jobs, and homes. There are many sad realities that have occurred due to the virus, many citizens are not willing to face, but that does not make them magically go away.
Wise and well-meaning? Self-serving and treasonous, more like it. Nobody who lies like he breathes can be well-meaning.
Everyday there are tens, sometimes hundreds. Here are a few.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar … us/608647/
Here are 5,276 false claims:
https://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/
Here are some more:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/l … ling=false
This was just from today:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/20/politics … index.htmlHere's another good one:
"We created the Veterans Choice Program." He's actually claimed this more than 150 times.He said he created it. It was not replaced. Any more lies. Care to address the other ones above? There are thousands to choose from.
Well, I can speak about the VA from personal experience. I go there regularly. Under Obama, there were long wait times and many vets were paying out of pocket for services the VA couldn't provide them. Since Donald Trump has become president, there are no more wait time. If the VA can't provide a particular service, the VA will pay for a vet to get it from a civilian hospital. In the hospital where I go, at one time it only had one MRI machine under obama. There were so many long waits to get service. Under President Donald Trump, this VA facility now has six MRI machines, and there is NO wait anymore.
I hope everyone reads this realizes obama is the ONLY president in the history of the United States to suggest vets pay for their own health insurance. This is an agreement between the government and those who serve that goes back to the time of the Revolutionary War.
So, from personal experience and not just links to stories, I can tell you the VA has vastly improved under President Donald Trump.Obama created the reform, not Trump. The bill was signed late in Obama’s second term, so the impact would not have taken effect fully until into Trump’s term.
What you are giving Trump credit for is in the original bill Obama signed. Truth:
https://apnews.com/375515aecedb4aed949e4f2eb9c54eb6
You have Obama to thank for the program.
The charge of Obama wanting Vets to pay for their own insurance is also basically a lie.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/health-concerns/
Clearly, some idiot in his administration thought it was a good idea, but Obama recognized it was stupid and dropped the idea quickly.
Strange though, I am surprised you don’t support the private sector taking over the VA. Government shouldn’t be involved in health care, right?
Where did you serve, btw?
+1
It wasn't the radical left that just confirmed Paul Manafort was sharing the Trump Campaign's internal polling data with the Russians during the 2016 election. Or that Trump lied about knowing about when the Wikileaks releases would be issued. That would be a bi-partisan committee featuring respected Republicans Ben Sasse, Marco Rubio and Tom Cotton.1. Mr. Manafort was sharing internal polling data with the Russians during the 2016 election,
2. Trump knew when the Wikileaks releases would be issued.
3. A bi-partisan committee featured Ben Sasse, Marco Rubio and Tom Cotton.
What are the implications and consequences of these issues in your mind? Do they take away Trump's presidential accomplishments?They certainly show that his campaign coordinated with a hostile foreign government to get him elected. Then he committed a crime in lying about it to investigators.
What accomplishments? He has divided America, ignored a pandemic that has led to 170,000 dead Americans, and taken a thriving economy and a 4.2% unemployment rate and caused it to rise to over 10%. He has destroyed way more than he has accomplished.
Racism is not respecting someone's differences. Hatred is a deeper negative. Trump belongs in a mental hospital, and probably the worst criminals in human history. That dose not mean I hate him because I don't hate anyone. Just let A-holes be A-hole, as he is a product of the Americans. Only the people can make positive changes of the big stuff, not the religious or politics.
Covid19 is a natural environment issue and natural disaster like Trump is the greatest threat to human kind. Vote Green or the 2 evils choices is just taken a Frankenstein selfie or cutting your nose off to spite your face.My faith relies on you guys to jump over the fire. Not on hope of politics and religion to go through the fire.
Pop in there, now and again to catch up on the same old dark empire who keeps getting worst, for the sake of humor and caution.
The irony of accusing another person of hatred when your candidate leads the way in espousing hatred to undermine the functionality of our current government is astounding.
Wouldn't it be safe to say that a public official working against our government interests would be treason? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions … story.htmlTreason
The betrayal of one's own country by waging war against it or by consciously or purposely acting to aid its enemies.
From "the legal dictionary"
"Working against our government interests" is not included as a "treasonous" act. There is also the wee problem of determining just what is against the nation's (as opposed to government's) interests - we all seem to have a different opinion there. Is refusing to enforce laws "treasonous", as in sanctuary cities? I refusing to protect our people, or property, as in allowing riots to continue month after month, "treasonous"?There are a few simple answers in Trump's case. When he stood in front of the world and said he believed Putin's denial that he attacked our elections in 2016, despite every intelligence agency and Congress confirming he had done so. Literally, a foreign government was found guilty of election interference and Trump sided with them.
Then, when we investigated that interference, Trump committed actions to obstruct that investigation. Regardless of the benefits to himself, those actions protected the nation that attacked us.
https://medium.com/@dojalumni/statement … b7691c2aa1
Currently, he just admitted to attacking the USPS in order to restrict the voting rights of the citizenry.
I would disagree with you that sowing a lack of faith in our own government is not treasonous. I find that to be a huge betrayal of one's own country.
Of course all you saw was the Washington Post and not Retired General William McRaven. You see only what you want to see. Instead of the words of a highly decorated leader of our military, you can dismiss his thoughts because the platform he chose doesn't align with the ones you trust.
Seeds of raw truth. That's a laugh. The guy lies daily. Congress and every intelligence service we have confirmed Russia attacked our elections in 2016. Trump sides with Putin. That's not truth, that's self interest, something Trump and his supporters excel in.The fact that the original post sees objection to Trump as hate and not as a treasonous leader who sides with the country who attacked us is kind of my point. If you're not willing to engage in that difference in view, do not respond. It's pretty simply. And if you cannot discern an opinion piece from one written by a staff writer, best not to comment either.
This just in, Bi-partisan Senate report confirms Trump Campaign colluded with Russians.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/wikileaks-li … 43115.htmlHow things work: Seeds start out little, tiny and seemingly insignificant.
Somehow, by hook or crook they end up in soil, are watered and become sprouts. Then, they continue growing their ever stronger and deeper roots which absorb nourishment form the soil. Eventually, they become what they were destined to be.
What if we were all destined to become something, so strong, so magnificent and so robust in physical and mental health? If you believe you were made in the image of God,
Yes.
Otherwise, No. It is up to the individual. He must determine his own mindset. If he ended up with a negative one, he can change it, if he wants to.
A Mon Avis.What creates the black under-class is the real question.
Is it the ruling-class which causes black children to be born out of wedlock? Which causes black children to be raised in female-headed households?
Which causes black fathers to abandon their households?
Which causes them to have more children then they should?You have the right question.
But I think you look for answers in the wrong direction.
You ask moral questions. but the question is more about history and how a society is organized. I can't say for the US. but the society of the UK is organized through class and Dutch society is organized through religion. Every society is organized. And there are a lot of societies where the rules are/were made by the "ruling class." And they favour themselves.
To look at a topic as discrimination against black people in the US, you have to look at the history of your country and how this topic evolved over hundreds of years.
Then you have to ask the question. How can we change this and improve the world we live in.In your opinion, but not mine. You remind me of John Holden. :-(
In my opinion, each person must come to a workable conclusion on how to survive. Those who fail to plan, plan to fail.If Lady Madonna has too many children, why should anyone else feel obliged pitch in? Let her collect money from all the children's fathers! If they refuse, of course it would be unkind for others to do the same, but do the same they must! Hopefully, there are enough charitable organizations (and grandparents) to assist these types of plan-less females. But to redistribute wealth (hard-earned money of others) for their sakes?
Is it fair?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLRiGX3L-kw
Blacks can take responsibility for their own communities.
If not, why not? because of how history evolved? and not because of their own negligences?
How easy it is to blame white oppression.
... rather than accept the reality and deal with it appropriately.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVkGS5mDlEUHistory is not to blame, but history is needed to get an understanding of how racism and Apartheid was used and how to prevent it.
Don't forget that still in the '50 blacks and whites had to use different toilets, different seats in the park etc. That's not even a generation away. Your parents lived in those days. Ask them about it.
These rules were made by the ruling governments and local authorities. And this kind of thinking does not go away overnight.
So yes, you can point the finger to white oppression.
Pointing a finger is not a solution. But acknowledging a problem is the start of one.Dealing with problems as they occur is the solution. Isolating the difficulty leads to the solution: To ask, What, exactly, is the difficulty?
The lack of understanding, (or the willingness to facilitate it,) of the best way to live for whites and for all other races, is the difficulty.
To say white oppression is the difficulty is wrong in a representative republic with laws which guarantee justice for ALL!
What IS the best way to live for us all?
Taking responsibility for one's life, ensuring it is a good one and avoiding failures and offenses.If only justice was equal, but it's not. There are clear cases of minorities getting harsher sentencing for similar crimes. Minorities are shot at higher percentages by police officers.
https://www.sentencingproject.org/publi … sparities/
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-zTo isolate this difficulty is beneficial/vital. It is a problem we are now working on.
... and the ones being arrested?
Please cooperate with the police!This is all so very true. It is also a fact that Trump worked on prison reform to right some of the wrongs done under previous administrations. Hopefully, he will work on legitimate police reform, that is badly needed in America. Reform has been a need for decades. Fun how so much has been accomplished by a man that is so well disliked by Democrats. Problems that have been around for many many years.
"91 Percent of Inmates Freed by First Step Act Were Black."
"The report by the U.S. Sentencing Commission revealed that 91.3 percent of the 1,051 people who received retroactive sentencing reductions due to the passage of the First Step Act were black. Republicans scheduled photo-ops with newly released prisoners. The ultra-conservative Washington Examiner called it “Kushner’s reform bill,” which “benefits blacks overwhelmingly."
https://www.theroot.com/91-percent-of-i … 1835387925
Sometimes, unfortunately, reinforcing bad habits and natural human propensities is undertaken by those who profit, such as those connected to Affirmative Action.
At what point in your life did you support Affirmative Action? Was there ever a time?
From the book, Progressive Racism by David Horowitz:
"The continued suffering of disadvantaged, black communities and the continued under-par performance of black school children is a price the well-heeled civil-rights establishment is apparently willing to pay to keep their hope alive of continuing guilt tributes from their
all-too-accommoding white "oppressors." pg 115.
Police Unions prohibit the firing of bad apple cops. I heard that Derek Chauvin was a bad apple who should have been dismissed. Did I hear right?
https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/qua … ice-unionsHe openly sided with Putin in Helsinki in 2018 when he said he believed his denials about 2016 election interference even though every intelligence service and Congress had confirmed who had done it.
He committed ten counts of obstruction of justice regarding the investigation into the country that attacked our elections in 2016.
He failed to stand up to Putin about bounties placed on our soldiers.
He failed to act when MBS murdered a journalist living in the United States.
He abandoned our allies in the Kurds at the request of Turkey's president.
Here are just a few reasons why Trump could be considered treasonous.
He wisely does not want the tyranny of a stupid virus to shut down the economy. Would you rather get sick ...
or die of starvation?The rest of your so called lies are actually politically inspired exaggerations.
Its called politics. Deal with it.He did not exaggerate when he told us that if Joe Biden gets elected, "China will own America."
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Downsized Venue Empty Seats At Trump’s Veterans Of Foreign Wars Fiasco
by JAKE Earthshine 6 years ago
10,000 veterans expected but only 4,000 showed up according to reports, what does that tell you?: I’m not sure why a treacherous, cowardly, yellow draft dodger like Mr. Trump who avoided serving our country would expect our brave military veterans, courageous men and women who he disrespects and...
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Are Words More Important Than Actions in Evolved Society?
by ga anderson 8 months ago
As a tangent to a tangent on another topic about British and American cultural differences, this issue looks like a good barometer. From a Baby-Boomers' perspective, it's so obviously the wrong direction that it denies human reality and makes Orwell's 1984 look like non-fiction, and Hollywood's...
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NYT Changes Truthful Headline to Accommodate Leftists
by Readmikenow 5 years ago
The NYT changed a headline that read “Trump Urges Unity vs Racism” because of outrage from leftists. They then changed it to “Assailing Hate not Guns.A TRUE newspaper doesn't let others determine their headlines. They have integrity to not do such a thing. “But more...
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What does the term "politically correct" mean to you?
by collegedad 10 years ago
What does the term "politically correct" mean to you?I was recently told that I needed to be "politically correct" in my statements. I won't elaborate here, but I have a strong opinion about folks who abuse social entitlement programs and this rubs some the wrong way. When...