A Level of Stupidity So Staggering...
President Trump ridiculed former President Obama and Joe Biden for the size of the crowds at their campaign rallies. As if the fact that President Trump had larger crowds meant he is somehow doing better.
Of course, Obama and Biden are holding socially distanced, safe rallies while President Trump is inviting people to his rallies to get sick, stand close together, and not wear masks. Does Trump really think that Obama couldn't get several hundred thousand people to gather? Is Trump pushing Biden and Obama to encourage people to endanger themselves?
Meanwhile, the county is seeing the highest level of infection since the pandemic began (no doubt helped by Trump's rallies). And five people on Pence's staff just got it, yet Pence won't quarantine, as recommended by the CDC. And Pence is on the Coronavirus Task Force!
Is this not a level of stupidity unseen in American history? How could anyone vote for people this stupid? It's shocking. The behavior is shocking. The lack of awareness is shocking. Clearly, the safety of Trump's supporters is not important to him.Highest Level of infection, this is true but lowest death toll... This should have some pausing and asking questions. We have been watching the infection rate climb over the past month but the death toll stays low. It is not being reported but nonetheless true. The media is pushing fear. 99.6% survive of COVID. Compare Michigan where we had and very strict mitigations endorsed by law, and compare it to many states that did little. We had many deaths, infants just as many per million as Florida that did so little.
It would seem stupid to vote for a man that is pushing mask mandates and shutdowns. His plan has been pretty well proven to do little.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/Biden is not pushing a shutdown. That is just a bald-faced lie. What he is pushing is a plan involving contact tracing and more of an emphasis on mask-wearing instead of a complete abdication of leadership and a downright refusal to wear masks while simultaneously endangering everybody in site by mocking basic, common sense precautions.
Hospitals in states in the upper midwest are being overrun with cases and its only going to get worst. In fact, today Mark Meadows basically threw up his hands and said there's nothing they can do. Stupidity combined with a total lack of leadership is an extremely bad combination.
The stupidity part has to do with comparing crowd size too. Of course Obama and Biden could generate huge crowds... if they wanted to violate all the health guidance being given. Is that what they should do to prove Trump wrong? That reaction is insanity.I agree. Dr. Fauci has made his point that masks and social distancing prevent more cases and save lives.
We have been tracing. When one has confirmed COVID they are given a handout of how they trace, and that is turned into the health department. Biden's plan has nothing that the Trump administration has not done. I hear so many speak about listening to the scientist the Dr's. Dr. Fauci way back in March informed us the virus would be back in the fall/winter. He said we would continue to mitigate without shutdowns, unless necessary.
In regards to Trump's crowd's, these people are citizens that are making their own decisions. Do I feel they are right, maybe not? But I have no right to expect them to keep me safe. I keep me safe. I don't feel I have the right to tell anyone how to conduct themselves.
I have no idea if Obama or Biden can draw crowds. I would think many would be out on the sides of the road to welcome either one of them using distancing. We are all out and about in public.
Trump does point out the size of his crowds."I don't feel I have the right to tell anyone how to conduct themselves."
Do you support keeping drunk drivers off the roads?
Keeping people from building bombs?
Health dept. inspections of restaurants?
Checks on senior living businesses?
Making false advertising claims, particularly in the health field?
The sale of Crack, Heroin, Coke, LSD, etc.?
Our country is chock full of laws designed to protect us from our neighbors actions: is mask wearing any different?I was referring to the situation at hand Rallies, and masks. Again, my state did each and every mitigation, we are no better off than states that did very little. My sister lives in Florida they did so little, she is furious that people will not wear masks, and go to the beach, rallies, and more... per million death toll shows Florida very close to Michigan's. Should make one think, just how much are the masks doing? I can't and won't argue the purpose of masks. In my view, they did little but make people feel they could be in close proximity to others. Handwashing and distancing are very effective in preventing the spread of viruses.
I in no respect feel the right to impede anyone's rights to return to their normal. I have weighed the consequences of the mitigations in many respects they are proving to be worse than the illness. Just my view, we have to move on, and just do our best. I very much realize many don't share my opinion. In my opinion, masks have done little but promote dependence and fear. Now if people were thought to distance well, and not depend on masks and develop a false sense of safety to get close to one another... and keep those hands clean, we all would be better off. Now that's science.If a person walks into a CV positive breath stream of a positive person who has coughed, sung or yelled, and that person breathes in the virus, then hand washing won't work. Also, even 6 ft. social distancing is in question because medical experts have found that sometimes the infected breath travels as much as 13 ft. If the infected person is wearing a mask, the breath can't travel that far because the mask catches it. If the non-CV person is also wearing a mask and comes within the range of the infected person, it just adds another layer of protection. But you are right that there is no guarantee except to stay home and don't come in contact with another person. Then one must hope that they don't come in contact with a contaminated surface, such as when they are putting up groceries and touch a can of beans with CV on it because the person who filled the order was positive.
However, I agree with the person who said, "Your rights end six feet from my nose." I think we should all do our part to be good citizens and keep on trying to defeat this virus. I think anyone who keeps on whining about this interfering with their "civil rights" is being narcissistic and selfish. This includes a member of my own family.
She is a cashier and is required to wear a mask and face shield at one of her two part-time jobs. At the other, she wears a mask and stands behind a plexiglas partition. Her spouse is 58 years old and suffered a heart attack a couple of years ago, so I have no sympathy for her whine.I didn't make myself clear. We have dozens or hundreds (thousands?) of laws to protect us from our neighbors and some of those include prohibitions designed and implemented to slow or prevent the spread of disease. What is different about Covid that we should not pass laws specifically designed to protect us from disease carriers that can, and do, infect their neighbors?
As far as Michigan - the rules were set, yes. Did a large majority obey them, or did they ignore them? It would make a huge difference in how effective those rules were.Always respect your consistency, Wilderness.
I sometimes wonder if it's math illiteracy that's driving this stupid anti-mask response.
Our schools opened back up here in liberal town. My kids are going.
A single positive COVID case takes out 50 people. It takes out the teacher and all the students in the class because they can't come back to school. 50 people plus the 1 positive case quarantining for 14 days. Can you imagine if we just let it run wild?Actually, I support opening schools again (surprise!). I've listened to enough students, teachers and parents, plus working with my own grandkids and their schooling to agree that kids just aren't learning what they need online. They need that classroom experience.
The school my grandkids is in is operating on a week on-week off schedule. Half class sizes, then, with the week off being online. It isn't as good as the classroom, but seems a reasonable compromise without denying the kids the schooling they need, and the Covid risks are cut in half as well.I want my kids in school also.
However, the district is starting to have issues with the surge in COVID cases. A single case in a classroom forces 30 kids and multiple staff members into quarantine for 14 days. If there are more than a couple of cases in the school, it's a huge problem. In fact, two of the schools in the district are returning to online school because they've lost too many staff.
This is why we need a national mask mandate - or more local mandates. There's simply going to be no opening up if everyone isn't wearing a mask. We need more information out about the seriousness of this and we need a President who takes it seriously and doesn't undermine the recommendations from his own health advisers.
Have you noted a decrease in the death toll in your state for the last two months? Along with an increase in cases? Just curious. Here in Michigan, we have watched the case stat go up but our death rate decrease. This certainly could change as winter progresses.
In Michigan, we had no choice but to follow them. No masks no service. She kept our businesses very much closed for 6 months with very draconian rules to even open a business. She provided strict rules to reopen that would cost a business large amounts of money to refute their spaces to reopen. We have watched so many businesses close permanently due to the long closure and or expenses to reopen. And no citizens did not ignore the given mitigations. By the end of summer, many citizens did protest at our capital.
Our suicide numbers are surging, as well as drug overdoses, child abuse, and spousal abuse. https://www.crainsdetroit.com/health-ca … ndemic-era
To address --- Your analogy
Do you support keeping drunk drivers off the roads?
Keeping people from building bombs?
Health dept. inspections of restaurants?
Checks on senior living businesses?
Making false advertising claims, particularly in the health field?
The sale of Crack, Heroin, Coke, LSD, etc.?
In my view all but one of what you provided as analogies are ongoing problems that have plagued our society longterm. And certainly, we need laws to at best cut down on the problems they cause. They are problems that linger and need to be addressed on the basis that the bases they will never fully be eradicated.
In my view, a health problem such as a virus can be expected to be eradicated, and we need not pose laws that are enforced on an entire population. I agree with the need for temporary mitigations to control a curve, cut down on cases to enable citizens to continue working and children being able to go to school. But I don't agree that making mask laws is appropriate. I feel any law that blankets a society is dangerous and an overreach of government. A blanket law is in my opinion severe, uncalled for. I am living in a state with mitigations have been endorsed, we are spiking in cases as most states. We were told to expect the fall/winter spike, not sure why many are shocked about the new spikes? What is a bit positive is the death rate cases versus deaths are showing the virus is although showing it is still spreading easily, it may not be killing as many citizens. In Michigan, we are seeing H1N1 flu hospital cases along with COVID cases. No one is reporting this is part of a slight increase in hospitalizations in Michigan. H1N1 is not in the COVID case count but certainly will as every year cause hospitalizations. The media need to report this fact. COVID is not overrunning our hospital beds in many area's it's H1N1... Media is spreading fear, and not providing important stats that could provide positive hope.
I feel we need to move on and learn to live with the virus with an open society, hopefully using mitigations as needed to decrease the spread. A vaccine is coming, and at some point, we will rid ourselves of this virus to some extent. Science tells us viruses stick around for many years. Keep in mind H1N1 2009 our last new virus still comes around every Flu season. As this year. I got my flu shot last week for H1N1.
We need to realize COVID is here and will be for a long time. We need to learn to live with it while we denature it with a vaccine. Our other choice is to watch the country go bankrupt. But unlike all that you listed that have no clear way of ever being eradicated totally, COVID will be eradicated.I fully agree that we need to learn to live with the virus, using mitigations as needed to decrease the spread. But it is that "using mitigations as needed" is where we stand now, for until we have "learned to live with the virus", meaning a vaccine, steps need to be taken.
Hopefully, I said that. I just wanted to point out a mask mandate would be blanket mitigation, and I don't believe it is warranted. Just one person's opinion.
Well, certainly a mask mandate from Washington is not warranted. Even those for an entire state are questionable.
But local ones? Those I certainly support. I may or may not agree with them, but I support them anyway - the people making those decisions are doing their best to do the right thing and have far more information that I do.I again am not sure how mask-wearing has become front and center. My comments centered around your analogies I had hoped to point out yes your list shows the need for blanketed standing laws.
I feel we are in agreement on mask-wearing. I did comment on my concerns that my state with its very strict mitigations has done just as poor as Florida that did little. This fact has provided much
food for thought"...
" Do you support keeping drunk drivers off the roads?
Keeping people from building bombs?
Health dept. inspections of restaurants?
Checks on senior living businesses?
Making false advertising claims, particularly in the health field?
The sale of Crack, Heroin, Coke, LSD, etc.?"
All but one of these are examples that are long term problems that require laws that stay on the "books" to ensure safety.
The virus will end, we need not pass a law, but continue to ask citizens to cooperate and wear a mask when necessary to protect others and themself from a virus. I shared an opinion, in regard to my displeasure for laws that blanket society.
"What is a bit positive is the death rate cases versus deaths are showing the virus is although showing it is still spreading easily, it may not be killing as many citizens."
I saw a report a week or two ago that confirmed your statement. A doctor, I think was from the CDC, said that the virus had mutated into a more contagious form but that it seemed to be weaker and didn't seem to be as lethal as the previous form. Let's hope it finally mutates itself harmless.
Something that concerns me is that we have not been able to eradicate the flu virus. Even with flu vaccines every year tailored to fit that year's expected flu viruses, we still have many cases of flu. In 2009 the H1N1 flu virus had five different strains (or so we were told) but the vaccine protected against only three of them. My husband and I received our shots but we still had some of the severest cases of flu that we'd ever had. My point in bringing this up is that medical experts are saying that this very problem may occur with the COVID-19 virus.
So, not to quarrel with your stance on CV and masks, but merely to discuss what might occur in the future if this happens. Will masks still be required? Should masks be required during flu season? Will a season of both flu and CV requiring masks lessen the cases of flu?
It may not be appropriate to bring this up in this forum, but I simply don't have time to start a new forum and monitor it right now. Since we have both pro-mask and anti-mask people discussing masks, I just wonder what you think.
I agree that masks should be kept to a local requirement, but that they do help to keep down the cases of CV. I don't see requiring masks in a part of the country that isn't experiencing an outbreak, but I like seeing them on our streets in my locale because our state is showing an increase in cases right now.We have to take this country back from the doctors. Then everything will be fine.
First, please don't get me wrong in regards to mask-wearing. I just have a bit different opinion on are they doing the trick to curb COVID. I wear a mask everywhere in public. I would even if not mandated at this point. I am not in favor of mask mandates nor do I feel in some cases that they are beneficial. They tend to give false security and encourage some to forget distancing. Such as our younger generation...
As I mentioned my education is Science of Nursing, as well as a BA in Science of the human body. As I pointed out in my previous comment on this Thread virus do not just disappear as a rule. Itis is possible but unlikely. They mutate, and as a rule, they mutate, denature down to cause the host fewer problems. Keep in mind COVID is brand new, and it is very clear not enough is known about it or how it will act in the future. H1N1 was also new and virulent, it has mutated year after year and 11 years later we are still being vaccinated for it. And yes every year the flu vaccines are tweaked to suit new sprains of changes in flu strains.
COVID will most likely be around a very long time, hopefully, it mutates as H1N1 did. It has gone through mutations. However, it is very clear it still spreads very easily and still has the power to kill, as does H1N1.
I think you misunderstand my ideology on mask-wearing. I am against a government blanket mandate. I did point out in my comment my comparison Between Michigan and Florida. Here in Michigan, we are still under very strict mitigations, and as far as I can see they have been followed and fully enforced. We have had problems when the colleges reopened with students unwilling to comply with mitigations. We are on pare in regards to death toll stats with Florida that did very little. I questioned does mask-wearing really work as well as reported, and has it worked to give a false feeling that by having that mask on one can disregard distancing.
I must ask --- did we or were we required to wear a mask when we faced H1N1? It was a killer, I can attest to that.
I have no problem with wearing a mask to protect others or even to provide others with a feeling of security to be out and about.
No one knows at this point what path COVID will take, most likely it will be around for actually for decades, as H1N1 is. It will more likely denature. I guess it's up to individuals to consider wearing masks yearly for flu.
In my opinion in regard to wearing masks each flu season. We have in previous years gone without masks. I myself would not wear a mask during the flu season. To answer your questions.
I believe in the near future masks will be recommended until we have a vaccine and can inoculate those that step up.
In my opinion, no masks should not be required during the flu season. They never have been and in my opinion. Mask wearing for those that choose to wear one during flu season should be their own option.
My thoughts as an individual on mask-wearing at this point. I will wear one out of respect for others. I think the mask has a small benefit in decreasing the spread of COVId. I think it gives a false feeling of protection and many are not keeping in mind the improtance of distancing, and staying out of crowds.
I regard wearing a mask during flu season --- and keep in mind I am an RN so I certainly am coming from a different place. I have learned how to take precautions in the workplace as well as during flu season. I will follow distancing, staying out of crowd, and hand washing. Keep in mind in the past flu season masks were not considered, and at this point, I think it should be an individual's choice to wear a mask during flu season. I think also this could depend on the severity of the flu. I think this question you posed is hard to answer. We don't know what will come around in the future.
I feel the same fears in regard to COVID as you do. However, I watch the stats closely, I had no surprise with the new spikes we are seeing. Dr.Fauci way back in March gave u the science, and told us truthfully we would see this spike. He provided the science... But now many are acting as if the virus was handled poorly, and should be gone or at best on it's way out. The science if one chooses to delve into the science of viruses will tell you viruses, as a rule, stick around for decades, they can be controlled three ways therapeutics, vaccines or if lucky they mutate into less lethal strains.
I actually think the majority of American's have done a great job pulling together to do all possible to flatten the curve. I believe we will see not an end but a mutation that will help cut the death count. There is no silver bullet.
It sounds as if you live in an area where masks were not required, and this is now the reason for the increase in cases in your area? Could it just be the fall wave Dr. Fauci spoke of back in March? Did you have many cases when we were having the first peak in cases? Are you having an increase in deaths in your area due to the case increase?Sharlee, thank you for your answer. I believe you have approached the subject in a professional manner and I appreciate your answer. Of course, masks were never required during h1n1, but perhaps they should have been. I went to a health food store to buy almond milk, and the clerk who waited on me said he had just returned to work from having flu "but he wasn't contagious anymore." Maybe he was and maybe he wasn't, but I brought home the virus and had a rip-roaring case and infected my husband. Questions arise here. Did I get it from him, or from someone else? Would a mask have protected me? I have no idea because as you pointed out, they were not worn during flu epidemics.
I agree with you that "the majority of Americans have done a great job in pulling together" on this issue. I do live in a state that has not been hard hit by the virus. I'm not a Republican, but I've worked in state government under our Governor Asa Hutchinson, and I've disagreed with many of his policies. However, I must commend him for his handling of the coronavirus. He has never issued a state mandate for masks, but he has followed CDC guidelines in recommending wearing them. He has held press conferences in which he has kept us up-to-date on what is going on and on the latest CDC recommendations. I think he has done a wonderful job of helping us to keep the number of cases down. Having said that, our state was one of the last ones to get concerned over the number of cases. Our numbers have fluctuated up and down since the virus hit the rural states, but Arkansas has never been one of the hardest hit states. I never know what I'm going to see on TV when I tune in each day. Right now our numbers are up, but I it could be just the timing of the virus hitting the state and the fall cooler weather affecting us as Dr. Fauci said it would. The increase in cases came just as businesses reopened and schools started up again. I think the increase in personal contact probably influenced the numbers.
I'm not sure whether our the deaths are increasing or if they are rising proportionately as our cases increase. Today they are down, tomorrow they are up, and the next day they are down again. It's kind of weird.
These reopenings and restarts may have made some people overconfident. I did notice that WalMart, in particular, stopped its one-way aisles and some of its required policies like a one-way limited entrance just about the time the virus hit our state the hardest. I wonder why they gave up right when their vigilance was needed the most. I'm sorry I don't have a straight answer to your questions, but the fluctuations make the research difficult to pin down.
About the masks, wearing one does not make me overconfident, but I sometimes forget when I'm in public or with friends in a group to which I belong and get too close to other people. Although I am grateful for the protection of the mask, as soon as I realize that I'm getting careless, I back off, and I see other doing the same thing. I am normally a gregarious person, so it is hard for me to try to be introverted.I think in regards to mask-wearing yearly for the flu. I would think the wise thing to do is educate the public on all mitigations that would decrease one's chances of getting the flu and include mask-wearing, concentrating on perhaps the importance of mask-wearing for citizens that have underlying conditions that make them more apt to have severer problems combating the flu. I think the key is to educate the public about what can be done to cut down the spread is key. Then leave it up to the individuals to considering a mask in the common flu season.
In regards to those that have had COVID and return to their jobs. Here in Michigan when one becomes ill with COVID they are home for 14 days and need a negative test to return to work. I am not sure we know enough about COVID in regard to how long it stays around in the human body and can be spread. It is clear the scientist keep flip-flopping on much of what they are learning. I think if one is out and about, it would be impossible to pinpoint where one picked it up. If a person can track their contacts it would be feasible to possibly trace where the virus was picked up. This is almost an impossible tack. To offer an example - here in Michigan when you enter a restaurant you are required to provide name and phone # for tracing purposes. If you consider all our very careful mitigations we have been unsuccessful to stop COVID. The only way to curve the virus is shutdowns, which can slow the spread. This is just not sustainable. In my view we need to do our best, stay out of the crowd, handwashing, wear the mask, and distance. This is what I have done.
Some time ago we had a conversation about my thought that I had COVID last Nov. I was tested twice and I have the antibodies. I have no way of knowing when I had COVID. My husband never got it. My son did, his wife did not. My son owns an IT company where he employs 50. Most of them have had the COVID antibodies, and had no idea when they had it.
My point so many is asymptomatic. It would be hard to even imagine how many have had COVID and just are unaware. The fear of COVID has become worse than the virus. Yes, we got a bad break, but we need to just do our best to deal with it. Not everyone will do what they need to, and yes it is regrettable. But reality should tell us we need to think of what we as individuals can do to keep ourselves and families as safe as possible. We live in a huge society, there is little chance we can control everyone. And there are only a few ways to be rid of a virus, a vaccine, therapeutic or a good mutation. I know here in Michigan we have had such strict mitigations, we test, we trace, we have very strict isolations for those that test positive. We have done no better than other states to make a dent in COVID.
It sounds like your Governor was wise. Educate the state on what they could do to flatten the curve, he kept the people informed. He was wise to pull the people together treating them with respect by trusting most would be good citizens.
I think we need to keep trying to keep the curve flattened with the mitigations we have been using especailly with more communities opening. We need to keep being careful until we have a vaccine.
In regard to wearing a mask and becoming overconfident. This is just an opinion, I have noted this happening in my interactions out in public. I think it a positive that you feel grateful for the confidence you feel while wearing a mask. A mask certainly will provide you with some protection from the virus.I appreciated your answer, Sharlee. You said (re: our discussion that you tested positive for antibodies) At least that gave you some information. I believe I told you that I tested negative, but that we both have O+ blood type, which makes it harder to retain antibodies if we do have covid. But whichever it was, covid or flu, we are pretty sure that we caught it in that very overcrowded VA waiting room during at least one of our two visits that last week in January. So far there has been no effort to do any contact tracing, I guess because they are certain that none of us had covid. That's a pity. At least the VA is on lockdown, and the veteran won't be allowed inside unless he/she has to go to a lab or be treated in person. Office visits are now via telemedicine. Fortunately some patients like my husband can be electronically monitored.
As far as masks go, we are wearing triple ply masks that we bought, not thin homemade masks, in which I don't have much confidence. I also bought some KN95 masks that we wear if we believe we are going someplace more risky than others, like grocery shopping, especially at Walmart.
I belong to an organization that meets monthly, but our meetings now are confined to Zoom. I did go to an outdoor ceremony last week, a cemetery dedication (fitting, no?). I was a little concerned because social distancing wasn't practiced as well as I'd hoped it would be, but we did all wear masks there. But I wasn't really concerned about the people in attendance because most were older folks like me who stay home and rarely venture out. But I think we are all getting tired of even voluntary confinement. I am willing to do my part in the hope that it will shorten the duration of the virus and we can all get back to our rat killing (an old Southern expression my daddy liked to use).I think keeping up what we have been doing in regard to mitigations is smart. At some point, we will have a vaccine, this will help to eradicate the virus to some extent. What was funny in my case, I was sick in Nov, we live in Mexico for the winter, we left just after Christmas, and returned end of April. I did not have any illnesses while in Mexico. So, I would think COVID was around in the US in Nov. In Nov when I went to the Doc, he assumed I had H1N1 or bronchitis. I had my flu shot which was for H1N1. I had breathing problems which I had never had in my life. He treated me with Zithormisine and steroids. I guess I could have had it in Mexico and not realized it... At this point, we are spiking between 3,000 and 4,000 cases a day. In the worst of the spring, we spiked to 2,200 cases per day a couple of times. Our death toll is still low. This is the only positive at this point. Today I got the news my son-in-law tested positive, they live in Illinois. So, far he is doing well. I will expect to hear my daughter and two adult grandchildren will contract it. IT certainly is spreading at a rapid pace. But so far seems less virulent. Makes me wonder what winter will bring?
Well damn, MizBejabbers, I liked your comment, and, by-the-way, I am not a Southerner, but I completely understand your dad's use of that phrase. In essence, life goes on.
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Check out the social dilemma, it was not new information to me, but it was definitely a good watch and it does explain why not just the US, but many countries across the globe have the highest levels of stupidity today.
Not related to the documentary, but anyone who has had a decent high school education would be able to tell that the Earth is not flat. The reason I point this out is because it is a conspiracy theory and social media algorithms share other conspiracies to people who spend time reading stuff like this and so there is a growing web of people who believe that the virus is a hoax, it is not different from the regular flu, masks are useless, it is against their basic rights, etc. There were similar issues when seat belts were introduced with people saying it took away from their basic rights. The difference is back then it was just newspapers and television that could promote such nonsense, today it is far reaching and far reaching on an addicitve level.
This is also the reason why you currently have one of the largest divides between democrats and republicans in the US. Social media reinforces the divide with one-sided information and often also fake news.
And tonight I see reports of some Europeans following Americans and rioting over restrictions on businesses being open. It seems that Americans (outside of liberal politicians) aren't the only ones recognizing that interminable shutdowns do more damage than any virus.
I don't think there's any doubt that shutdowns damage our economy and stifle the process of educating our children. My husband and I were discussing last night the worry that probably only the most dedicated child/student would be getting a proper education from online lessons. A lot of kids, especially those with discipline problems, may view this as an opportunity to slack off on their lessons. I hope not.
My longtime friend and I are discussing going out to eat somewhere and visit this coming week. We are both retired and, prior to covid, we went out once or twice a month. Back in August, we went through a drive-thru window and took our food to a city park by a small lake. It was a great outing and we caught up on our grandchildren, pets, and the like. We had planned to do this regularly, but then cold weather hit prematurely. I think there are innovative ways we can support our businesses and socialize without putting ourselves at too great a risk. People should put some of these ways to work for themselves, rather than to get out and riot and commit destruction.
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