The Schumer Shutdown

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   Ken Burgessposted 22 hours ago

   Eight Democrats break with party to advance plan to end shutdown
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKyPKSDr12s
   
   Interesting info on the back half of this 6+ minute video.
   
   Sanity reaches a handful of Democrats... the CR will pass... with Back Pay for those employees who lost out.

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      My Esotericposted 22 hours agoin reply to this

      And the Democrats had to force that and a promise (which I half expect Republicans to break) to vote for an extension of ACA subsidies down their throat.
      
      Also, the CR has not passed. There are several hurdles in the way including the Republicans in the House.

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         Ken Burgessposted 22 hours agoin reply to this

         The only hurdles are the Democrats.
         
         The Democrats are the threat to the Nation... well... the Progressive half of that Party, they need to dealt with:
         
         Secessionist Democrats Need a Constitutional Lesson
         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECLdl1P02PI

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            My Esotericposted 22 hours agoin reply to this

            The THUMPING MAGA took the last election is proof you are reading things incorrectly.

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   My Esotericposted 22 hours ago

   While I don't agree with them, mainly because Republican lawmakers cannot be trusted to keep their word, I can understand the vote of the eight Ds. Consequently, I can't join the chorus denouncing them.
   
   https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/10/politics … ent-reopen

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      Willowarborposted 22 hours agoin reply to this

      Well hopefully, fingers crossed, that more folks will be able to get out of breadlines  lines now...

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      Credence2posted 17 hours agoin reply to this

      You want to know something, ESO? I, too, believe that it was a great mistake to cave in. I wouldn’t give those people an inch. WHO among the GOP senators even considered the adverse affect of the spiraling health care premiums that hapless millions are going to have to pay even if they could retain their insurance coverage?
      
      As for the gang of eight, DINOs are best left at Jurassic Park. The word of Republicans is less than worthless, otherwise they would have worked harder with Democrats to forge a compromise. They have been trying to destroy affordable health care programs since their inception, pointing specifically toward Obamacare. They all say that they want to replace it with something better, but I have yet to see anything from them except lip service.
      
      I will have to say that the hapless and unfortunate will have asked for it by not resisting GOP schemes and by not supporting what it was the Democrats were trying to protect. Now that the heat if off, the GOP will brush off the Democrats like one would dust lint from his collar.
      
      I am with other progressive Democrats saying that capitulating to this “gang” was a grave error, the magnitude of such has yet to be realized.

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         wildernessposted 16 hours agoin reply to this

         "WHO among the GOP senators even considered the adverse affect of the spiraling health care premiums"
         
         The real question is WHO among the DEM senators even considered the adverse affect of the spiraling and never ending tax increases (and/or debt) in order to create and grow charity programs.

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            My Esotericposted 9 hours agoin reply to this

            When's the last time your taxes have gone up Wilderness, assuming you are middle class, from a Democratic sponsored tax reform.
            
            To say "spiraling and never ending tax increases" tells me you don't know what you are talking about. When is the last time Democrats passed a law raising the federal income tax rate on what is considered middle class income earners?
            
            You know what happened with Trump's first tax break for the wealthy? They went up, not down.

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         My Esotericposted 9 hours agoin reply to this

         One of the ones was persuaded by this logic:
         
         A lot of people are hurting now and it is going to get a lot worse if the Democrats stick to their guns. But if they don't stick to their guns and go for this almost nothing compromise, a lot of people are going to get hurt later.
         
         After making the calculus that the Republicans would rather see people die rather than give up, they chose to relieve the current suffering and hope for the best.
         
         Me, I would have waited another week or so.
         
         The two positive things I think they got (plus a huge follow-on later) is 1) they got the fired people rehired and 2) stopped Trump from future RIFs. The promise of a Senate vote on ACA is a lost cause because either, they will decide not to have the vote after all or the House won't take it up.
         
         Now, what I think has been accomplished already. The shutdown destroyed the Republicans in the publics eye. They won't be helped by the SNAP recipients finally getting their money because they will blame the Republicans for their misery anyway. They will, in my opinion be really hurt from now until Nov 2026 because of the millions of ACA people who will either have their quality of life lowered from huge ACA insurance premiums or start dying from lack of insurance because they can't afford it.
         
         Everyone will know that is the Republican's fault and vote accordingly in 2026. I bet the Ds even take back the Senate. In fact, I will be putting my money where my fingers are and actually place bets on that outcome on one of the political betting sites. (I already would have but I could get them to upload my money when I tried, so I gave up.0

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   Willowarborposted 21 hours ago

   Democrats inarguably got at least one very important win...They have placed a glaring spotlight on Republicans refusal to renew the ACA  healthcare subsidies, hanging the blame for spiking healthcare costs around their necks as the midterms draw near. And they have exposed once again the remarkable callousness of the Trump regime, which spent the last week of the shutdown fighting tooth and nail in court to avoid paying out this month’s SNAP benefits...trump is willing to shoot the hostage... the Democrats are not.
   
   And the good news?
   
   Mike Moses Johnson can hop on swearing in Adelita Grijalva... And we can get those Epstein files out in front of the public.

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      Credence2posted 17 hours agoin reply to this

      The government shutdown was just an excuse, I would be surprised if Johnson will not find another excuse for not swearing Grijalva in, because the real issue is not having enough votes to get the Epstein files released.

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         My Esotericposted 9 hours agoin reply to this

         The more I read Giuffre's book, the more certain I am that there are bombshells in the data Bondi has.
         
         Isn't it ironic that lying Johnson calls himself a Christian. What a charlatan.

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