The Schumer Shutdown

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  1. Ken Burgess profile image72
    Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks ago

    Democrats just voted for the second time to shut down the government and reject the bipartisan, clean CR that would keep it open.

    Just remember that... the Republicans asked for nothing... just to continue funding what already is. 

    The Democrats have decided that they will not wait to try and convince the American people to vote for their Agendas... they would rather use what power remains with them currently to force a shut-down while trying to tie up every action of the Trump Administration in courts with Progressive... Ideologically driven judges.

    Democrats do not believe in Americans and certainly not the Republic... and it is showing more and more every day.

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    1. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Democrats believe in affordable health care Ken it's as simple as that...maga doesn't... Even though a great many of them will lose their coverage. 

      This regime holds the trifecta... The Senate, the house and the White House..... And they still can't govern?  This is their circus.

      trump can now add "government shutdown" to skyrocketing prices, unaffordable housing, military assault on American cities, and overall chaos to his list of fails.... Hopefully the Republicans will find a way to get the 20 million promised to Argentina though.. right???  Oh yeah tell me about priorities.

      This is trump's shutdown.   The majority of us out here aren't as stupid as this regime likes to think...

      1. wilderness profile image81
        wildernessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        Affordable?  Affordable to whom?  Someone besides the one getting it, obviously!

        That doesn't make it "affordable" at all; it just shifts the costs from the one benefitting to a stranger a thousand miles away that will go to prison if they don't pay it.

        (Or to the children being born that have no chance to either pay for it or complain about it for decades to come)

        1. Ken Burgess profile image72
          Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          The ACA was written by the Insurance, Pharma and Medical industry reps... to help enrich the Insurance, Pharma and Medical industries...

          Isn't it wonderful to have to pay for insurance and then pay a co-pay that is still more than you can afford?

          I still remember the infamous words of Pelosi... "You will have to wait until we pass the bill to see what is in it" ... or the infamous quote of Obama "You can still keep your doctor" ... or the "each family will save $2,500"

          Whew... people have short memories ... the ones who keep believing the BS from these turds have worse than that.

          1. Willowarbor profile image60
            Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Do you participate in the ACA

    2. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Funny thing is.... Americans would like to have affordable health Care... I think it's sort of a scary proposition to most to no longer be able to go to a doctor, get the surgery you need, finish a cancer treatment, have a baby and so on.    A lot of us are just weird like that.

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    3. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Ken.  I am late to the party--- Yet another transparent attempt to push a socialist agenda. The question is simple: do we want socialism, or do we not? The outcome of the 2024 election clearly answered that question.

      What we are seeing in this budget fight is a prime example of Democrats pushing temporary pandemic-era measures into permanent taxpayer obligations. All about socialized healthcare, the first step. I mean, come on, this is their main sticking point.

      The enhanced premium tax credits were rushed through with the expectation that Democrats would maintain political control and could lock in these massive subsidies. But Trump’s win in 2024 disrupted that plan, and now the Democrats’ gamble is unraveling, as so many of their schemes do.

      The numbers are staggering. Making the enhanced credits permanent would cost roughly $335 billion over the next decade, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Meanwhile, enrollment in the ACA marketplace has surged to record-breaking levels. As of early 2024, approximately 21.4 million Americans had selected or been automatically re-enrolled in marketplace coverage for the year, including 5.2 million new consumers — a 41% increase in new enrollees compared to the previous year. Overall, about 24.3 million people are now enrolled, and over 22 million of them rely on these subsidies to afford coverage. Tens of millions of Americans are now dependent on government handouts to pay their health insurance premiums, a fact Democrats are desperate to preserve.

      Beyond the fiscal irresponsibility, this is a major step toward socialism. It moves the U.S. closer to a system where citizens increasingly rely on government support for basic necessities like healthcare, expanding the role of the federal government at the expense of personal responsibility and free-market solutions. While it has temporarily lowered premiums for some, the long-term impact is enormous: growing deficits, entrenched dependency, and a dangerous precedent for ever-expanding federal control over private markets.

      As Republicans, we must push back. This is about more than politics; it’s about defending taxpayers, fiscal sanity, and the principle that Americans should earn their benefits rather than be made reliant on government largesse. Democrats engineered this expansion as a political ploy; now it’s our responsibility to prevent it from becoming permanent.

      1. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        And what are those solutions??

        "Americans should earn their benefits rather than be made reliant on government largesse. "

        Oh my.... Is this the implication that some people don't deserve healthcare?  They don't earn healthcare??? My god.

        Wow... Can you elaborate on the idea that folks who purchase their healthcare on the ACA exchange because they are independent contractors or small business owners or simply full-time workers that work for companies who provide nothing in the way of healthcare are somehow not "earning" their care? 

        Certainly you realize that the ACA isn't just for low income folks???

        1. wilderness profile image81
          wildernessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          When you can provide your own healthcare, whether by way of an employer or on your own...then you "deserve" it.  Anything else is nothing but more entitlement philosophy; "I DESERVE whatever I tell you is my right to have!"

      2. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        Lol interesting that folks don't want to defend the taxpayers against bailing out Trump's buddy and failing government of Argentina... The military roaming our cities, haphazardly planting dead flowers... But oh yes right on top of making sure fellow Americans can't get healthcare.... Hopefully as many Maga as possible will be impacted by the loss of the tax credits... Hopefully they will feel the pain of scrambling to afford a premium that has doubled or tripled while trying to figure out how they will get a needed surgery or finish a cancer treatment..
        I'm sure folks will feel real pleased with that...

        Americans just aren't as stupid as this regime thinks... Gone are the days when they can cry "socialism "and people will rally behind such nonsense.... To their own detriment, to the demise of their actual health.  Not going to happen.... Most Americans are smart enough to choose their own health over bullshit ideology
          You know it's just self-preservation kicks in

      3. Ken Burgess profile image72
        Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        It is simpler for me...

        Biden Expands Immigration Protections to Undocumented Spouses and Streamlines Employment-Based Visas for DACA Recipients - 2024
        https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil. … ecipients/

        Biden fast-tracks work authorization for migrants - 2023
        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat … 931816007/

        The Biden administration is quietly working to solve a problem that has confounded Democrat-led cities receiving tens of thousands of migrants: getting fast work permits.

        The Biden administration just unveiled a plan to quickly address immigration reform. And congressional Democrats and advocates are apparently gearing up for what employers hope will be the defining chapter in an ongoing battle to improve the labor supply for U.S. businesses and create a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. - 2021
        https://www.phelps.com/insights/preside … rdens.html

        Lets be clear... we do NOT have a labor shortage and never did.

        We have Corporate greed... an unwillingness of companies to pay a fair rate and offer benefits to employess.

        During the Biden Administration over 1 million Americans lost their jobs... while 1.2 million migrants were hired to fill jobs.

        The Democrats are always hurting American Citizens... the ACA hurt hard working American citizens... while making Insurance companies rich... under the premise of helping a tiny minority of people who slipped through the cracks.

        The Media beholden to the Leftist agendas lied for four years during the Biden Administration... saying the economy was great as we all paid double for groceries... telling us there weren't enough American workers available, so migrants were needed... while corporations fired over a million Americans... hiring migrants to replace them.

        The types of people who support the Democratic Party today... the easily duped and manipulated... and the believers... the ideologically driven... by feminism or transgenderism or communism... some form of extremist ism.

        Very few others can support what they are pitching today... there is no benefit to being an American Citizen and buying in to a Globalistic, Communistic, Open Border world that they want to usher in.

        Ultimately they are being used as pawns by the immensely rich and powerful that want to usher in a Socialist Credit system and a Centralized one Party government.

        We practically had that for most of the last 30+ years... the bump in the road has been Trump and the massive amount of Americans discontented with their government and with the ideas put forth by the Democratic Party.

  2. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

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    This was conducted by MARIST

  3. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    Republicans are in charge of the entire government. 

    Democrats aren’t in charge of anything.

    Republicans control the process & they walked off the job.

    Democrats are in DC working.

    Republicans shut down the government because MAGA doesn’t want to protect health care for Americans.

    Democrats are fighting to save health care for millions.

    Republicans shut down the government so Trump can fire more workers en masse.

    Democrats are fighting to save jobs.

    1. wilderness profile image81
      wildernessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Democrats shut down the government because Republicans refused to participate in their share-the-wealth version of socialism.  Because Republicans declined to borrow trillions more from our children to support Democrat pie-in-the-sky dreams of unlimited wealth and resources. 

      Democrats are fighting to get more money from an grossly overtaxed population.

      Republicans asked for more time to hash out these differences of ideology...Democrats said "No way!  Shut it down NOW, so I can blame you for doing it!".

      Pretty obvious just who gets the blame for this round of government idiocy, and it ain't the Republican party.

      1. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        Do you participate in the ACA?

        1. wilderness profile image81
          wildernessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          No.  But I did, not long after it came into being.

          I had a wonderful insurance plan through the ACA with a $5,000 deductible that at the time I couldn't begin to pay.  The government subsidized a health insurance plan that cost them thousands and was completely and totally worthless to anyone trying to use it.

          The liberal way.

          1. Willowarbor profile image60
            Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            As a small business owner what advice would you give in terms healthcare coverage? 

            Currently looking at a silver plan without credits...$1600 per month with an out of pocket of $7300...this is pretty much out of reach. 

            Do I take a line of equity on my home or play roulette with my health?? 

            Is healthcare just not in the cards for some of us?

            1. wilderness profile image81
              wildernessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

              When you don't earn enough to buy healthcare you play roulette, you forego non-emergency services and you likely die a few years earlier because of it.

              OR...you can, with the might of millions behind you, demand that more wealthy people, people that DO earn enough to support themselves, support your needs as well.  This is called "morality" - might makes right and that makes it moral.

              1. Willowarbor profile image60
                Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                Oh cool,   an early death sounds great!

                But looking at my income and having to potentially take 20% of my income aside for healthcare.. I would probably have to look at laying off a worker, even though I make a comfortable income.  But I guess on the bright side he gets to look forward to an early death also?

              2. Willowarbor profile image60
                Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                I'm having a little trouble understanding this. It seems as though you're saying that people should just choose to be in jobs or professions that pay enough in order to afford health care.... Does that mean that the wages should go up for all the low level jobs that we need out here?  I mean those people don't go away, do they?

                1. wilderness profile image81
                  wildernessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                  You may exaggerate and change it as you wish.  Just as you pretend that the resources for your grandiose plans to provide top tier healthcare to every person on the planet is free.

                  But to answer your question, I will re-type what I wrote - try and read it this time. 

                  "When you don't earn enough to buy healthcare you play roulette, you forego non-emergency services and you likely die a few years earlier because of it."

          2. Ken Burgess profile image72
            Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Exactly right.  The one year we transitioned from NY to FL we were forced to use it, our deductible was $15,000 and it covered nothing... we spent over $4,000 out of pocket for one emergency room visit and overnight stay.

            Don't forget... the Democrats wanted to make it so you had to have insurance (that was worthless) or pay a fine... a FINE for being too broke to afford their crap system.

            The Insurance companies however, were able to kill off the smaller competition and rake in billions off the ACA... it is beyond disgraceful what Obama and the Democrats forced thru.

            1. Readmikenow profile image81
              Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

              The ACA was an absolute disaster.

            2. wilderness profile image81
              wildernessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

              That legal requirement, and the fine, was the only reason I ever had it.  It was worthless to me, just as it was to you, and I knew it but I had it.  Right up to the point that the requirement disappeared.

              Interestingly, and somewhat similar, is that a few years later, after retirement, my wife was put on Medicaid as well as Medicare without our knowledge.  She was on it for (I think) 3 years...whereupon we got a notice that we would have to fill out a bunch of forms and file to retain it.

              We didn't, and got the same message the next year.  And the next.  It finally stopped, but the question was why we were ever put on it to begin with?

      2. Ken Burgess profile image72
        Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        "Democrats aren't in charge of anything"

        The Lie...

        The Republican-controlled Senate put forth a stopgap spending bill called a continuing resolution to keep the government open until Thanksgiving. Democrats voted against the continuing resolution, also called a CR, with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer leading the charge to a shutdown.

        The Truth...

        Your post is spot on.

        1. Willowarbor profile image60
          Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          When you need the votes of the opposing party, you need to negotiate it's really just a simple as that.... Common sense

      3. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        Dan,  I agree with your take. Democrats love to frame shutdowns as purely the fault of Republicans, but in reality, it’s often their refusal to compromise that pushes things over the edge. What’s worse, they weren’t too smart about the narrative they chose this time around. The biggest headlines right now are pointing out that Democrats effectively closed the government not to fight for the American people, but so undocumented migrants can ultimately end up with free healthcare. Not exactly a bright move, especially since this is trending on social media, where most of the talk is, “No socialism, no paying for migrants’ healthcare.”  Hey, works for me.

        At the same time, you have Republicans actually saying, “Let’s pause, let’s figure out how to spend responsibly,” while Democrats rush to slam the door because they don’t want to debate the hard truth: we’re already drowning in debt. It’s almost as if Democrats think the money supply is bottomless, when in fact, every reckless spending bill just weakens the very people they claim to protect.

  4. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    Just wondering though if the shutdown is going to interfere with the distribution of our medbed cards???

  5. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    You know what's really curious? Is all of the women at this very moment that are pregnant and on the ACA but will have to deliver after the cuts are enacted.... Anyone? How much does a birth cost???

    I mean obviously some will be able to somehow manage the doubling of premiums but others just won't be able to take it on...

    Who do you think will  pay for these births??

  6. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    Oh gosh also curious about the people who are mid treatment for cancer...OH WELLLLLL.... A lot of folks are very pleased that they won't be able to afford to finish that treatment... I'm thinking that these people should have somehow lived a better life that they wouldn't have gotten themselves cancer, right??

  7. Readmikenow profile image81
    Readmikenowposted 4 weeks ago

    Vice President JD Vance explains how the democrats are trying to get healthcare for illegal aliens.  That IS the reason the government has shut down.

    He starts explaining it around the 8:05 mark.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9FLe9WRlUM

    1. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Immigrants in the U.S. illegally are n
      NOT eligible for any federal health care programs, including insurance provided through the ACA and Medicaid.

      Hospitals do receive Medicaid reimbursements... which would be REDUCED under Trump’s bill...for emergency care that they are OBLIGATED   thru EMTALA to provide to people who meet other Medicaid eligibility requirements but do not have an eligible immigration status...

      Democrats would like to see hospitals stay afloat... Therefore not reducing the reimbursement they receive for people they are obligated to treat BY LAW...

      Vance is scrambling the facts

      Does JD think people are stupid???

      If you get hit by a car, they don’t check your papers before saving your life. That’s not going to change...

      1. wilderness profile image81
        wildernessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        It isn't legal for illegal aliens to work.  So Iowa hires an illegal alien as their school superintendent. 

        Can you actually believe that because something is against the law no one does it?  That because it is illegal for illegal aliens to get health care subsidies (or food or housing help) that California will not step up and give it to them?  Or New York or Oregon?

        I have a big beautiful bridge for sale....

        1. Willowarbor profile image60
          Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          You've diverted from the post.... States have the right to use State funds for whatever programs their constituencies will tolerate...

          The post was concerning Vance and his scrambling of the facts because he apparently believe Americans are too dumb to figure out the truth... We've got the VP going on Fox and lying... I don't know about you but when people lie to me, it's like them telling me they think I'm too stupid to know the difference between the truth and a lie...

          1. wilderness profile image81
            wildernessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            States have the legal right to do whatever they can get by with.

            States, nor the federal government, do NOT have the moral right to play Robin Hood - the primary objective of liberals.  Again, might makes right and with the might of millions wanting what others have earned it becomes (somehow) moral to forcibly take it from them.

    2. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      MEDICAID REIMBURSES HOSPITALS FOR CARE TO UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS BECAUSE BY LAW HOSPITALS CANNOT TURN AWAY ANYONE IN AN EMERGENCY.
      RONALD REGAN SIGNED THIS INTO LAW....

      DOES JD THINK WE ARE STUPID???

    3. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      The Medicaid program Vance describes here as "Biden era" is from a law that was signed by Ronald Reagan in 1986..m

      It was later re-codified in the 1996 welfare reform act that was passed by Newt Gingrich's Republicans.

      https://hubstatic.com/17651156_f1024.jpg

      Vance is scrambling the facts because he thinks people are stupid to understand how all of this actually works...

  8. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    Vindictive petty hateful man... It's almost if he's waging War on Blue cities and states isn't it??

    "New York joined a coalition of 11 other states suing to stop the U.S. Department of Homeland Security from cutting counterterrorism funding from the state, Gov. Kathy Hochul and Attorney General Letitia James said Tuesday.

    According to the governor’s office, the DHS is reducing New York’s allocation by 86%, from $187 million to $30 million, and when divided, estimates to be a projected $100 million cut to the NYPD, a $15 million cut to the FDNY, a $13 million cut to Joint Task Force Empire Shield and millions of dollars in cuts that directly support counties, sheriffs and police departments....'

  9. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    Vindictive petty hateful man... It's almost if he's waging war on blue cities and states isn't it??

    "New York joined a coalition of 11 other states suing to stop the U.S. Department of Homeland Security from cutting counterterrorism funding from the state, Gov. Kathy Hochul and Attorney General Letitia James said Tuesday.

    According to the governor’s office, the DHS is reducing New York’s allocation by 86%, from $187 million to $30 million, and when divided, estimates to be a projected $100 million cut to the NYPD, a $15 million cut to the FDNY, a $13 million cut to Joint Task Force Empire Shield and millions of dollars in cuts that directly support counties, sheriffs and police departments....'

    May as well lay out the welcome mat for terrorists.... What a freaking dumbass

  10. Ken Burgess profile image72
    Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks ago

    The demands of the Democrats to continue funding the government for just a few more weeks:

    DeLauro-Murray Continuing Resolution Increases Spending by Nearly $1.5 Trillion
    https://epicforamerica.org/federal-budg … -trillion/

    https://punchbowl.news/democratscrcount … 20Combined

    Reality Check: Democrats Don’t Want to Negotiate, They Want to Dictate
    https://appropriations.house.gov/news/p … nt-dictate

  11. Readmikenow profile image81
    Readmikenowposted 4 weeks ago

    Karoline Leavitt and Vice President JD Vance put things into proper perspective.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIaIdkd-iYA

    1. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Lol this is LIES LIES LIES

      THE FACT THAT THIS BUNCH CONTINUALLY TALKS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AS IF THEY ARE STUPID IS REALLY ABOUT TO BLOW UP IN THEIR FACES...

    2. Ken Burgess profile image72
      Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Today I am learning about Twitch... which I guess is like YouTube and TikTok but where Leftists can go and call for the murder of politicians and capitalists and folks like Kirk...

      This guy here (below) Hasan Piker has millions of followers and it seems quite frequently calls for the murder of others, in example:

      https://www.youtube.com/shorts/w-U_0jKXoO4

      A run down by PBD...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm44N_HEZMY

      Anyways... I feel like an old man... this guy has millions of followers and is a leading Leftist voice, and I had never heard of him... and have never used Twitch... or TikTok for that matter.

      Its an uphill battle... these Leftists are pushing each other to murder the opposition.

      1. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        "these Leftists are pushing each other to murder the opposition."

        You gave an example of ONE abhorrent dude... Surely you are not attempting to say he represents ALL of "the left"??

      2. Readmikenow profile image81
        Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        Ken,

        You make a great point.

        This is probably why the escalating violence of the left is absolutely out of control.  These ARE domestic terrorists.  They have rationalized violence in their minds.  The left believes that violence is absolutely justified.

        Between the Schumer Shutdown and the attacks on ICE facilities is just proof positive that democrats favor illegal aliens and criminals over American citizens, legal immigrants, and the law abiding individuals in our country.

        The left is becoming a growing cancer in our society.

        1. Willowarbor profile image60
          Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          "The left is becoming a growing cancer in our society."

          WOW...

        2. Ken Burgess profile image72
          Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Exactly right... The Progressive movement... the Leftists are enemies of American Citizens and the Nation.  Period.  Full Stop.

  12. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    What irks me the most about trump & his sycophants is the constant gas lighting, lying & tall tales. That's because he & his cabinet, press secretary, etc. believe the American citizenry is deeply stupid otherwise they wouldn't dare lie so freely & outlandishly.

  13. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    debunking the claim that Democrats are trying to give “free health care to illegal immigrants.”

    - Undocumented immigrants can't get Obamacare or Medicaid

    - Emergency care is already guaranteed by Reagan-era law

    - Federal funds are hospital REIMBURSEMENTS, not insurance

    - Trump's horrible bill reduced (but didn't eliminate) them; Dems want to restore them...THE END

    ITS THAT SIMPLE.... WE AREN'T AS STUPID.AS THIS REGIME THINKS...

  14. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    Good to see...

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  15. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

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  16. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE PRO-LIFE PARTY...

    REPORTER: Should ERs check immigration status before treating a dying patient?

    LEAVITT: That's probably not a question for me to answer. That's a question for healthcare professionals and legal experts to answer....

    WOW... WHERE'S HER LIFE-SIZE CRUCIFIX?  THIS IS THE POINT WHERE HER CHRISTIANITY NEEDS TO KICK IN, RIGHT?

    SO HOW DO WE ADDRESS THIS FOLKS???

    I’d like to hear Yale Law graduate JD
    answer this question, since he’s the one who kicked this off...

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1973755000615559410

  17. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    A view from an actual doctor....


    "In 18 years as an ER doc, I ask about immigration status about as often as I ask about insurance—which is never

    My job is to respond to the person in front me, as if neither immigration or insurance matters

    Because in that moment, neither of those things matter

    So tell me, what do Americans want me to do when the person dying before me is undocumented? Let them die?

    And what if they’re uninsured? Check that they’ve paid their monthly dues before I check their pulse?

    We should stop making this an argument about providing emergency care to certain populations

    And start asking how it reflects on us all if we’re truly willing to withhold care in those moments of emergency, just because of what a piece of paper might or might not say..."

    I'm guessing that the regime would be in favor of withholding care..... Actually by reducing reimbursements to hospitals for such care, that's exactly the message they're sending.... YOU KNOW BECAUSE CHRISTIANITY LMAO

    https://x.com/Craig_A_Spencer/status/19 … 2057362649

    1. wilderness profile image81
      wildernessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      How many hospitals do you provide the necessary funding for?  Or do you just snatch it from whatever wallet you can pry open?

      1. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        Makes no sense...

  18. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    This is not the Dem CR, this is part of the Medicaid cuts that Dems want to reverse....

    Many on the "right" claim this provision cut Medicaid for "illegal aliens." Not so! They're already ineligible. This bit ends Medicaid reimbursement to states for some lawfully present immigrants....

    The Democrats CR EXPLICITLY excludes illegal aliens....

    Trump thinks people are  stupid and can’t read good...

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  19. Readmikenow profile image81
    Readmikenowposted 4 weeks ago

    Karoline Leavitt puts things in perspective and torches Dems

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDICn--tBcI

    1. Ken Burgess profile image72
      Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      She explained it well.

      It is obvious with this effort... the Democrats wanted to undo/reverse every positive change the Trump Administration had made to date.

      The Democrats want Open Borders... they want illegal migrants to have better benefits and more protective rights than Citizens have today... they want criminals out on the streets rather than incarcerated for their crimes... and the list goes on...

      The Democrats today champion an anti-American agenda that brings harm to all American Citizens... especially those struggling to get by.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        Ken,  Yesterday, House Speaker Mike Johnson called out Democrats for being dishonest about their push to restore healthcare benefits for illegal immigrants. The OBBB reforms, passed on July 4, ensured that over a million illegal aliens could no longer access Medicaid and provided $50 billion to support rural hospitals. Now, Democrats want to undo these provisions, despite opposing them initially, putting taxpayer dollars at risk and threatening essential services. Republicans also added work requirements for certain Medicaid recipients, which Democrats opposed. Johnson points out that President Biden’s policies allowed millions of illegal entrants temporary legal status, and under the OBBB, these individuals no longer received benefits, a change Democrats now want to reverse. This isn’t about protecting Americans’ healthcare; it’s about political games at the expense of taxpayers. 

        This is crystal clear.

        1. Willowarbor profile image60
          Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          "Mike Johnson called out Democrats for being dishonest about their push to restore healthcare benefits for illegal immigrants"


          THEY HAVE NEVER RECEIVED HEALTHCARE BENEFITS LOL...

          This is a lie from Mike "Moses "Johnson . This post is misinformation..... MODERATION REALLY NEEDS TO GET INVOLVED HERE. 

          Biden did NOT implement a policy that provides comprehensive federal healthcare coverage to undocumented immigrants...

          EMTALA,  ensures all individuals, including undocumented immigrants, receive emergency medical care at Medicare-participating hospitals....

          TRUMP WANTS TO CUT THE REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE PAYMENTS...

          Americans understand this.... People aren't as stupid as this Administration likes to believe.

      2. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        Ken, the real problem has grown because of the sheer number of migrants that have been ushered into America. We’re now looking at as many as 22 million undocumented people in the country—numbers we didn’t see just a decade ago.

        For decades, we’ve struggled to keep up with the healthcare needs of our own citizens through programs like Medicaid, which already supports those who can’t cover their own care. And is going broke.  So to me, it makes no sense to start picking up the healthcare costs for many millions of people who aren’t even citizens.

        Yes, some will argue that the law requires ERs to treat anyone who walks in, and that taxpayers end up footing the bill anyway. But the truth is, the real solution is to send back those who don’t belong here. That may still leave us with challenges, but at least we’d be addressing the problem instead of adding to it with non-citizens.

        We should never have created this situation in the first place. Saying “we’re paying for them anyway” is a weak excuse. It’s time to face reality: we need to take care of Americans first, and stop making citizens carry the burden for migrants.

        1. Ken Burgess profile image72
          Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Again... the bigger picture... I was writing about it a decade ago...

          The End of America ... written in 2018 or earlier:

          And so, included in the Global Compact for Migration was wording suggesting that anyone who, for any reason, opposes mass migration and open border policies must be prosecuted under “international law.” In essence anyone who is a 'Nationalist' and who wants secure borders.

          Ultimately the efforts within the UN, and all Globalization efforts, are to eliminate the sovereignty of Nations and eliminate borders. This may not be a bad thing overall, in a future world. But in the current world in which we live, our rights to liberty and freedom as American citizens would be forfeited, no longer protected or guaranteed... because our American government would be subordinated to a higher authority, and our ability to control our borders, and protect our own interests as a Nation would be eliminated.


          Trade Agreements – Why Trump is Right ... written in 2017 or earlier

          China Overtakes U.S. Economy ... written in 2020 or earlier

          And of course, no sooner do I write that then we get the Pandemic, and then the Biden Administration giving to China every secret and technology they could... so things are a lot worse now for America than they were then... most Americans have no idea that a GREATER number of Nations and the greater amount of the global population now aligns with BRICS over America ... again the Biden Administration did more to shift nations into China's arms than anyone thought possible before he was put into office.

          Biden literally made what should have taken 20 years to occur... as far as the decline of America, the Dollar, and the rise of the China - Russia alliance ... occur in less than 4.

          The Trump Administration has to do more than end the decline... he has to reverse most of it... he has to secure Industry and Resources that today America is reliant on China and Taiwan to supply almost 100%... he has to extract us from wars Biden ensured we were mired in... he has to destroy... not diminish... destroy the "resistance" in America because that "resistance" wants nothing less than the destruction of America the Nation.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Ken, your perspective captures a reality that many Americans either don’t see yet or choose to ignore: the slow but deliberate erosion of national sovereignty under the guise of “global cooperation.” What’s striking is how so much of what you wrote years ago has already unfolded, almost like a roadmap being followed rather than a series of coincidences.

            I agree that globalization isn’t inherently evil, but in the world we live in today it’s being executed in a way that undermines liberty rather than expands it. Nations can work together without erasing borders, cultures, or the right of citizens to govern themselves. And you’re absolutely right about the speed of America’s decline on the global stage. The real danger isn’t just economic or military, but psychological: when citizens lose faith in their own nation’s ability to protect their interests.

            If this administration wants to reverse the damage, it can’t just patch holes. It will take a full-scale reorientation of trade, manufacturing, national security, and even culture. Otherwise, America risks becoming just another region in a global system rather than a sovereign nation leading by example.

            1. Ken Burgess profile image72
              Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

              And the clock is ticking... the efforts Trump is making against the outrageous anti-American bias on Universities... ensuring our government not only no longer funds it, but starts taxing them into oblivion for supporting it... the efforts Trump is making to secure the border and deport migrants... to change trade agreements through tariff threats... to rebuild a destroyed American industry so that high tech equipment and rare earth resources are produced within North America...

              The Trump Administration has to do what no Administration has done since Roosevelt... and the New Deal.  What they have done so far is not nearly enough to save the Republic from the times ahead.

              The Administration's efforts to bolster resource production at home, by investing in companies like Intel and Lithium Americas is not nearly enough.

              The efforts to restore Law and Order and export illegal immigrant criminals is not nearly enough... remember, the Biden Administration itself admitted to letting in over 350,000 known criminals!!!

              Imagine how many more they let in... that they don't know about.

              This on top of putting away all of our homegrown murderers, pedophiles and other deranged individuals we allow to walk free.

              The task of saving America from a dark, economically dire future is daunting... and a betting man would not be putting his money on Trump to be successful, not with the power and evil arrayed against this Administration.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                Almost missed your post -- your thread is being trolled.

                You’re absolutely right, and I couldn’t agree more with what you laid out. One thing I think often gets overlooked in all this is the role of energy independence. Without it, everything else, industry, border security, and even national defense, becomes weaker. Trump has already pushed to bring back oil, gas, and coal production, but what doesn’t get talked about enough is how this ties directly into national security. The more we rely on foreign nations (some of them openly hostile) for energy or critical resources, the more leverage they have over us.

                On top of that, the universities you mentioned are not just pushing anti-American ideology; they’re also tied into foreign funding and influence, especially from China and the Middle East. Cutting government support and taxing them is one part of it, but holding them accountable for where their foreign donations come from could be just as critical.

                My gut tells me he is a winner, and in my view, he has all but toppled the Democratic Party. Now, for all the people that hang in dark corners, I guess I will just hope he has some handle on them. I also think he has a plan that is sort of like a puzzle, where we haven’t seen the top cover yet and have no idea what the picture holds or how the pieces fit. He has so much going on, it’s easy not to take it all in, and then bang, he drops something pretty damn good.

                When you combine these issues, energy, resources, foreign influence, and the criminal influx at the border, it really paints a picture that America is at a crossroads. Like you said, it’s a monumental task, but at least Trump is addressing problems most politicians won’t even acknowledge.

                1. Willowarbor profile image60
                  Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Where are the examples of universities pushing anti-American ideology LOL???

                2. Ken Burgess profile image72
                  Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this
                  1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                    cuidado con esos trolls-----

                    OMG that was hilarious—leave it to Trump to nail it like that. I’d seen the photo, but not the video, and it just cracked me up. I love having someone in the White House who can actually be funny and keep things light. And that pic with the auto pen, classic. I hope he keeps this kind of stuff coming, because the Dems really do deserve it, and honestly, it’s just funny. They need to toughen up and get a sense of humor. Wasn’t that the line when Kimmel joked about MAGA being responsible for Charlie’s death?

                  2. Readmikenow profile image81
                    Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                    That is absolutely hilarious!

                    The democrats come off as high schoolers who throw a hissy fit because somebody made fun of them.

                    They need to grow up.

                    A Trump mariachi band? Now, that is funny.

                    He will go down in history as one of the most entertaining presidents our country has ever had!

                  3. Willowarbor profile image60
                    Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                    I wonder how Cash Jordan would feel if someone mocked his Chinese wife in such a way LOL... What happened to his real estate career?  The man was a flaming liberal not too long ago.  I guess kudos for him to be able to shape shift on YouTube to make money

        2. Willowarbor profile image60
          Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          "to me, it makes no sense to start picking up the healthcare costs for many millions of people who aren’t even citizens."

          This isn't true...

          In the U.S., undocumented immigrants are ineligible for federal programs like Medicaid, Medicare, and subsidies on the Affordable Care Act Marketplace.

          THIS DOESN'T CHANGE NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES THE SAME MISINFORMATION IS REPEATED

    2. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      It’s amazing how they all march in lockstep, constantly throwing around the word “LIE” — clearly projecting, and anyone paying attention can see it. This Democratic scheme of flooding our country with migrants and funneling benefits to them is blatant. And we all know the reason: eventually, many of these migrants will become citizens, and the promise of more handouts is meant to secure Democratic votes. It’s a transparent and frankly foolish ploy. I love how Trump turns lemons into lemonade. I mean, this could actually work out well, especially when it comes to laying off.

      1. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        The regime is lying. They are all lying liars...

        U.S. law already prohibits unauthorized immigrants from gaining any federally subsidized health care coverage — through Medicaid, the Affordable Care Act, the Children’s Health Insurance Program or otherwise. A 1996 statute established that...

        This regime thinks Americans are stupid.... but we aren't.  The truth is crystal clear and Americans see that

  20. Sharlee01 profile image84
    Sharlee01posted 4 weeks ago

    CNN's Jake Tapper confronted House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., on Wednesday about Medicaid funding for "noncitizens," as the Democratic lawmaker argued his party was trying to save healthcare.

    Tapper asked Jeffries about the extension of Obamacare subsidies after the government shut down on Wednesday when Democrats and Republicans in the Senate failed to reach a spending agreement before the end of fiscal year 2025 on Sept. 30.

    The CNN host said Republicans "characterize it as you want to give health insurance to undocumented immigrants. I understand that's not really an accurate depiction." Jeffries responded, "It's a lie."

    "It's a lie, but what you support does bring back funding for emergency Medicaid to hospitals, some of which does pay for undocumented immigrants and people who don't have health insurance. And also, there is this provision, and it's not about undocumented immigrants. It's about people with asylum seekers and people with temporary protected status, et cetera, et cetera, but about their ability to get Medicaid. So they're noncitizens. They're not undocumented. They're not illegal. Why even include that in a bill, knowing that they're going to seize right upon that and use that to message? I understand that when you retake the House, you can get whatever you want passed, but at this point?" Tapper asked.

    Jeffries then quickly diverted ---  which I won't do here...:   LOL

    1. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Americans realize that there is a law already in place and anyone who shows up at a hospitals in an emergency situation must be treated,,,, whether the hospital receives reimbursement for that or not. 

      This law isn't changing.  Americans just aren't that stupid

      If folks in this regime want to make the argument that hospital should receive absolutely zero and no reimbursement for the emergency care of the uninsured, then just make that argument.... It would be more honest

  21. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    This forum is becoming more Looney tunes by the minute...

  22. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    All polls pointing to Americans being smarter than this regime gives them credit for....with the majority saying Republicans are to blame for the shutdown...

  23. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    Honestly, can moderation look at the misinformation that is being repeated over and over here???

    Makes the forum lack any sort of credibility... The entire site actually...

  24. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    Jeffries stated that Johnson and Thune talked about “health insurance for undocumented immigrants” for “less than 10 seconds” when they met with Trump....

    “They know it’s a lie. So they didn’t even bother to bring it up, because the cameras weren’t rolling.”

    BINGO.... BUT THEY THINK THE FOLLOWERS ARE THAT STUPID... WHEN SOMEONE LIES, THEY THINK PEOPLE ARE TOO  STUPID TO FIND THE TRUTH... AMERICANS AREN'T BUYING IT

  25. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    The longer this shutdown goes, the more Americans will hear that Republicans are responsible for massive increases in their healthcare insurance costs. That’s bad news for the Republican Party....

  26. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    "Healthcare for illegal aliens" is the new "they're eating the cats and dogs"... Americans don't buy this bullshit.   The American people are smarter than Republicans in Washington realize....people are savvy in this disinformation climate...

    They  aren’t buying the Republican talking points.  They know Trump is poorly managing the economy and that they sacrificed Americans’ healthcare to give the wealthy another tax cut.

  27. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    America already largely understands this....

    Democrats are NOT  trying to give “free health care to illegal immigrants.”

    - Undocumented immigrants CAN NOT get Obamacare or Medicaid

    - Emergency care is already guaranteed by Reagan-era law...

    - Federal funds are hospital REIMBURSEMENTS, not insurance

    - Trump's horrible bill REDUCED HOSPITAL REIMBURSEMENTS (but didn't eliminate) them; Dems want to restore them...THE END

    ITS THAT SIMPLE.... WE AREN'T AS STUPID.AS THIS REGIME THINKS...

  28. Sharlee01 profile image84
    Sharlee01posted 4 weeks ago

    Were they lying then or now?   One thing I can say --- Democrats are always up to lie about anything...
    https://hubstatic.com/17651394_f1024.jpg

    As the federal government shutdown continues, a clip from the 2019 Democratic presidential primary went viral when the candidates were asked if they support providing healthcare to those in the country illegally.

    "Is JD Vance a liar or just woefully ignorant when claiming that Democrats want to give health benefits to undocumented immigrants?" disgraced ex-Democratic Minnesota Sen. Al Franken posted to X on Wednesday, leading to the clip being posted in the comments by one user.

    "Raise your hand if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants," NBC News anchor Savannah Guthrie asked while moderating the June 2019 debate followed by all ten Democrats on stage raising their hands.

    Franken’s post triggered a range of responses, including from conservatives.
    "You should stick to intimate photography," GOP communicator Matt Whitlock posted on X, referring to the disgraced ex-senator's scandal that included a photo of him smiling while posing and groping radio host Leeann Tweeden, who was sleeping in the photo.

    The clip, which included multiple current members of Congress like Rep. Eric Swalwell, D-Calif., Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y. and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., also garnered the attention of billionaire Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk, who posted "lol" in response to the debate video, which means "laugh out loud."

    Part of the ongoing government shutdown debate centers on subsidies for the Affordable Care Act, which would lead to a rise in premiums that opponents say prove that the program is unsustainable.

    Illegal immigrants are unable to get insurance on the ACA marketplace, but Emergency Medicaid is covered as well as several states that use state taxpayer dollars for illegal immigrants to enroll in Medicaid.

    However, California was once the subject of a federal audit where they were recommended to refund over $52.7 million in "improperly claimed" medical costs for those with "unsatisfactory immigration status."

    "Democrats are now trying to run away from their RIDICULOUS $1.5 Trillion big government spending bill — now that Americans are learning what’s in it," House Speaker Mike Johnson posted to X on Thursday. "Some Democrats now claim they don’t want illegal immigrants on Medicaid — but their previous votes, and the ACTUAL LANGUAGE of their current bill, say otherwise."

    1. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      The Democrats CR EXPLICITLY excludes illegal aliens....

      Trump thinks people are  stupid and can’t read good...

      https://hubstatic.com/17651421.jpg

    2. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Lol... This is quite a reach considering the manner in which the entire maga bunch flip flops on The daily... Do we have to get out all the clips again?   

      Seems like it was okay for JD to call Trump Hitler and cultural heroin at one point.... My god, that's just one of about 100 different examples...

      So you're looking for consistency in Democrats but not in maga world? OK...

    3. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Lying then or lying now.... I mean both is always an option because the man is a pathological liar...

      Trump: "I actually think the president would be blamed if there is a shutdown. I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the President of the United States. He's the one that has to get people together"

      But go ahead and tell us how he can change his view but no one else can LMAO... Find a way to make him right.... WHY ISN'T HE GETTING "PEOPLE TOGETHER"

      https://x.com/factpostnews/status/1970611176603083043

  29. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    This is a lie. He is a liar.  Americans are not this stupid...

    https://hubstatic.com/17651426_f1024.jpg

  30. Readmikenow profile image81
    Readmikenowposted 4 weeks ago

    Laura: Democrats ‘backed themselves into a corner'

    Fox News host Laura Ingraham dissects all the warnings Democrats ignored ahead of the government shutdown on 'The Ingraham Angle.'

    https://www.foxnews.com/video/6380978437112

  31. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    TRUMP OWNS THIS

    https://hubstatic.com/17652253.png

    AMERICANS ARE NOT AS STUPID AS THIS REGIME THINKS

  32. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    Trump promised an infrastructure bill for 4 years in his first term.

    Said it was coming in 2 weeks many times.

    Never delivered one.

    Democrats then delivered critically needed funding for crumbling infrastructure.

    Now Russ Vought is taking that away.

    But only in blue states.

    He is an ADDLED, petty, vindictive POS

  33. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    The entire regime strategy is just to shamelessly lie about everything.... Treating Americans as if they're that stupid....WE AREN'T

  34. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    WELL THIS IS AWKWARD...

    "A majority of Trump supporters back extending Obamacare subsidies, poll finds..."

    A majority of Trump supporters back extending Obamacare subsidies https://share.google/W6cenyWmy62VJfDcq

    1. wilderness profile image81
      wildernessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      "Treating Americans as if they're that stupid....WE AREN'T"

      "A majority of Trump supporters back extending Obamacare subsidies"

      These two statements are incompatible.  Which do you mean to be true?

      1. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        The majority of Americans back extending the Obamacare subsidies because the majority of Americans aren't stupid.... Are not as stupid as this regime thinks they are.  Americans aren't going to go against their own interests,.  It's called self preservation. People just aren't going to pledge allegiance to Mango Mussolini at the expense of their own health... Yeah, we're not that stupid

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          “Mango Mussolini”, that’s a new one, love it!

          1. Willowarbor profile image60
            Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            For the man who loves a good nickname, Lol It fits!

      2. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        Dan, from what I’ve seen, it doesn’t look like many people really understand this issue. No one has to lose their insurance; they just need to go back to paying what they did before the temporary subsidies that President Biden introduced during COVID.  Premiums themselves aren’t suddenly skyrocketing — the government assistance is ending, and people will once again pay their full share like they did before 2021. 

        What people pay out of pocket — their net premiums — has been artificially low since 2021 because of the temporary enhanced subsidies passed under President Biden’s American Rescue Plan and extended by the Inflation Reduction Act. Those subsidies are set to expire after 2025 unless Congress extends them again.

        So when people say, “ACA premiums will rise,” what they often mean is:

        Their monthly payment will go up because the government will stop covering as much of the cost.

        But the actual insurance premium (the total cost of the plan) may not change at all — it’s just that the taxpayer-funded portion disappears.


        As far as I can tell, we’ve long since recovered from the pandemic when it comes to jobs and the economy. The ACA subsidy expansion was never written to be permanent. So why assume premiums are “going up”? They’re not; they’re simply returning to the original rates that people agreed to and were paying before the government stepped in. The only real change is that the government will no longer be footing half the bill.

        In my view, this was Biden’s “freebie”, a short-term boost that some now want to keep indefinitely. And yes, I think Democrats never expected to lose to Trump, and they likely assumed they’d be able to make these subsidies permanent. That would have opened the door to millions of new enrollees and pushed the country even closer to a government-run, socialized healthcare model. The numbers during Biden’s term already show that trend.

        In 2020, about 11.4 million people selected marketplace (ACA) plans.
        In 2024, total plan selections were 21.31 million.
        In 2025, total plan selections reached a record 24.3 million

        113 % cumulative growth from 2020 to 2025.

        "The majority of Americans back extending the Obamacare subsidies because the majority of Americans aren't stupid...." Willow

          YEAH, Dan,  they are actually pretty stupid to think others want to pay for their health insurance.

        1. Willowarbor profile image60
          Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          "No one has to lose their insurance, they just need to go back to paying what they did before the temporary subsidies that President Biden introduced during COVID."

          This is false.  The rates are substantially, astronomically in most cases higher... Anyone who has purchased through the marketplace knows this.... We aren't stupid

          The premium tax credits under Biden reduced premiums on average by about 30%.... And now we are looking at premiums doubling or even tripling in some cases...

          1. wilderness profile image81
            wildernessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            Got quite the windfall for a few years, didn't you?  Paid for by someone else, of course!

            1. Willowarbor profile image60
              Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

              The windfall??

              Being able to treat a health condition is a windfall?

              You do realize that only  53% of Americans have employer-provided health coverage??

              Do you think that the rest are just going to sit home quietly and die?

              No, they're still going to go to emergency rooms seeking care. 

              Uncompensated care for people without insurance becomes a financial burden that is absorbed by EVERYONE , including hospitals, taxpayers, and patients with private insurance.....

              Most Americans understand that... And then there is a group that relishes the cruelty....

              1. wilderness profile image81
                wildernessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                Windfall, yes.  By forcing others to pay for what you want but don't want to pay for.

                I don't know about a group relishing cruelty - I've never met anyone that seemed to fit that.  But I've certainly met (including online) a lot of people that want what someone ELSE has worked for and built!  That one is pretty common.

                It's interesting how all of your posts fail to mention that what you want must be paid for by someone that does not benefit from it.

                1. Willowarbor profile image60
                  Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Only 53% of this country has health care that is in some way provided,  in some part,  by an employer... 24 million people PAY for ACA coverage...

                  What will be the impact on hospitals, on the economy on private insurance companies when millions can no longer afford the healthcare they are PAYING for? 

                  Looks like there aren't enough jobs to go around that provide, even in a small way, for health coverage...

                2. Sharlee01 profile image84
                  Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Dan, what my extensive research shows is that when the enhanced subsidies expire, nothing sudden or dramatic occurs on the insurer’s end; they don’t automatically raise their rates.  What actually happens is that the consumer becomes responsible for paying the entire premium again, including the portion that the government had temporarily been covering.

                  To put it simply: before 2021, if someone was paying the full cost of their plan (for example, $1,200 per month), that amount remains the true price — it’s just that the subsidy reduced how much of it the person actually paid during the enhanced subsidy period.

                  2021–2025 (with subsidies): one would have paid only 60% ($720/month), and the government covered the rest ($480).   When subsidies are canceled, one will go back to paying $1,200 a month as before. There is a chance that a given insurance Company may raise the premium slightly, as most do every year. What is being reported is that insurance companies may consider a  3-6% increase.

                  There are multiple layers of legal protection that stop insurance companies from arbitrarily or excessively raising premiums. The laws differ a bit from state to state, but under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and related state regulations, insurers cannot simply decide to jack up your premiums however they please. Here’s how the protections work:

                  We have LAWS  to protect ACA  increases ---1. Federal Protection: ACA “Rate Review” Law

                  Under Section 2794 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. § 300gg-94), created by the Affordable Care Act, any premium increase of 10% or more must go through a federal and state review process.

                  Insurers have to submit justification and actuarial data to prove that a rate increase is necessary (for example, because of higher medical claims or costs).

                  The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), working with state insurance regulators, reviews the proposal to determine if the increase is “unreasonable.”

                  If the increase is deemed unreasonable, the insurer must publicly post an explanation and can be forced to adjust or withdraw it.

                  Source: 42 U.S.C. § 300gg-94 (Rate Review)

                  2. State Law Protections

                  Every state has its own Department of Insurance (DOI) that oversees health insurance rate filings. These agencies:

                  Review and approve (or reject) proposed rate increases before they go into effect.

                  Require insurers to submit detailed actuarial documentation.

                  Often hold public hearings for significant hikes.

                  Can deny, reduce, or delay any increase they find excessive or unjustified.

                  For example:

                  Michigan Department of Insurance and Financial Services (DIFS) requires insurers to get rate increases approved each year before selling plans on the ACA Marketplace.

                  Michigan law mandates that rates be “actuarially justified,” meaning they must reflect actual costs and claims, not arbitrary profit-taking.

                  3. Transparency & Public Notice

                  The ACA also requires public transparency:

                  All rate filings (including justification for increases) are posted on Healthcare.gov and your state’s insurance website.

                  Consumers can review the data and submit comments before final approval.

                  This public process keeps insurers accountable and discourages extreme rate hikes.

                  SO, anyone predicting an outrageous increase in their ACA premiums may want to become acquainted with the laws that govern the ACA.

                  As subsidies shrink, competition could grow stronger

                  If enhanced subsidies from the American Rescue Plan (ARP) expire — meaning customers have to pay more out of pocket — price sensitivity increases. In other words, people shop more carefully for cheaper plans. That forces insurers to compete harder on price to keep customers.

                  We could very well see new or regional insurers entering the ACA exchanges to offer lower-cost options. Smaller companies sometimes specialize in narrow-network or telehealth-heavy plans that can be 10–20% cheaper than the big national brands.

                  It's always better to be armed with facts, and those in the ACA program have the laws on their side when it comes to severe premium increases.

        2. Readmikenow profile image81
          Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Shar,

          Again, at another press conference, Karoline Leavitt, puts things in perspective.  She can't make it any more clear.  The democrats want illegal aliens to get taxpayer funded healthcare.  They already have to the tune of billions of dollars.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8SZ66cIXeY

          1. Willowarbor profile image60
            Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            Now debunk what she said....

          2. Willowarbor profile image60
            Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            You do realize that hospital emergency rooms must treat emergency cases when they come in? Regardless of status.... That isn't changing... She is scrambling facts, thinking that people are stupid.. but they just aren't.

          3. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            Mike,  Non-citizen migrants cost federal taxpayers money for healthcare, mainly through programs that the federal government funds directly or partially reimburses. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services provides billions of dollars each year to federally qualified health centers (FQHCs), which are required to treat anyone who walks in, including migrants, regardless of their ability to pay. These centers use federal grants to cover the cost of free or low-cost care, meaning taxpayers fund it. In addition, under federal law (EMTALA), hospitals must treat and stabilize anyone who comes to an emergency room, even if they can’t pay. When those patients are uninsured migrants, hospitals often receive federal Disproportionate Share Hospital (DSH) payments through Medicaid to help offset those unpaid bills,  again using federal taxpayer dollars. Migrants also receive federally funded care through public health programs run by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), such as vaccines, tuberculosis treatment, and other disease control measures. These are the facts. No matter how Democrats try to spin it, American federal tax dollars are paying for non-citizen migrants’ healthcare.

            In the federal budget negotiations, Democrats and Republicans have sharply different approaches to immigrant healthcare, which has contributed to the government shutdown. Democrats are pushing to restore healthcare access for lawfully present immigrants, including refugees, asylees, and those under protected status who are waiting for an asylum hearing. Who were affected by restrictions inTrump's One Big Beautiful Bill Act.

            The Dems want to reinstate Medicaid and ACA marketplace subsidies for these groups, extend premium tax credits, and maintain federal reimbursements for emergency care, arguing that this ensures lawfully present immigrants can access necessary healthcare without expanding coverage to undocumented individuals.

            Republicans, on the other hand, oppose these measures, claiming that restoring subsidies and Medicaid eligibility indirectly increases federal spending on most undocumented immigrants. They emphasize limiting federal expenditures and ensuring that healthcare resources go primarily to U.S. citizens and lawfully immigrants. The key difference is that Democrats focus on restoring coverage for most immigrants and preventing cuts to existing programs,  while Republicans focus on restricting federal spending and ensuring eligibility is tightly controlled. This fundamental disagreement over who should receive taxpayer-funded healthcare is at the heart of the ongoing budget conflict. 

            Leftists can spin this issue until they are dizzy--- Our federal tax dollars have been spent tons on non-citizen migrants, and we will spend more if they get their wish list in this budget.

            1. Willowarbor profile image60
              Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

              "Migrants also receive federally funded care through public health programs run by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), such as vaccines, tuberculosis treatment, and other disease control measures. "

              LOL would you rather they didn't?

              Are Republicans trying to repeal EMTALA???

              IF NOT, NOTHING CHANGES.  UNINSURED PEOPLE WILL BE TREATED FOR EMERGENCIES IN EMERGENCY ROOMS WHETHER MAGA LIKES IT OR NOT...

              The public understands that, we aren't as stupid as this bunch likes to think...

            2. Readmikenow profile image81
              Readmikenowposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

              Shar,

              When my last relatives came to the United States about 15 years ago, we had to post a bond and sign a form stating they would not be a "financial burden" to the US government."

              He and his sister came in the right way.  Paid money, filled out the forms, waited, had all the proper interviews, got the proper visa and THEN came to the United States.  Came here, waited the proper amount of time, applied for and received a green card, then waited even more time and applied for American citizenship.  Became US Citizens.  Only THEN did we get the money back from the bond we had posted.  If he or his sister had experienced medical issues, they would have taken money from the bond we posted to pay for it.

              I wonder if anyone can understand how illegal immigrants really make me and my family members angry?  Our family members got NOTHING in the form of services from the federal government and are now very productive American citizens.  They appreciate what they have.  They grew up living under the USSR.  To be kind, it was difficult for Ukrainians then.

              I think if you can't afford travelers insurance to pay for your medical you should be required to post a bond.  If you're here illegally, you need to be sent home.  These illegals have no respect for the law, Americans, or our immigration system.

              Who needs them?

              I think we'd do fine without all of them.  Enough legal immigrants and American citizens to cover any work they do in our country.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                Mike,  I completely understand and agree with what you’re saying. Your family’s story reflects exactly how the immigration system is supposed to work, with respect, patience, and accountability. They followed the law, paid their way, and contributed to this country without expecting handouts. That’s the kind of process that builds strong citizens who truly value what America stands for.

                It’s frustrating to see others cut the line, enter illegally, and still receive government aid or protections that legal immigrants were denied. It feels like a slap in the face to families like yours who did everything right. Requiring a bond or proof of financial responsibility makes sense; it ensures newcomers can take care of themselves without burdening taxpayers.

                I share your view that illegal immigration undermines the integrity of the system. There’s no excuse for disregarding the laws that so many others respected. We absolutely can manage just fine with legal immigrants and citizens who are ready and willing to work hard.

        3. wilderness profile image81
          wildernessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

          Looks to me like it's all about people with their hands out, begging for something they want but won't pay for.  While the rest of us are grabbing our pocketbooks and squeezing them shut against the massive grabs and efforts to open them.

          I've already gotten notice (bet you have, too) that medicare is undergoing massive changes for next year, with the result that my advantage plan is going down the toilet.  Huge increases in drug costs (50%, or about $400 per month for me), higher deductibles, higher co-pays and higher premium costs.  And seniors will cover those costs themselves without help, for healthcare is NOT covered in calculations of cost-of-living adjustments.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            This BS regarding subsidies is a scam, twist of words, trying to sell something that is just not factual... Anyone on ACA  will need to go back to their original insurance premiums and pay what they were before Biden subsidized part of their payments...  Yes,I am sure that they don't want to pay their full costs, but that is too bad.   And as I said, those subsidies cost Americans billions over the last three years. Yes not Medicare will need to be overhauled and find cash to pay for the cost.

            2023, “Emergency Medicaid” spending (which covers emergency care for non-citizens, including undocumented immigrants) was about $3.8 billion, which is roughly 0.4% of total Medicaid spending that year.  (No costs posted as of yet for 2024. One can imagine... Therefore, the pot needs to be divided, as many more people require medical care. I mean, who do people feel pays for all of this?

            I am lucky that the UAW union’s retiree medical plan Retiree Medical Benefits Trust) acts as secondary insurance, paying what Medicare doesn’t pay.

            1. Willowarbor profile image60
              Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

              "Anyone on ACA  will need to go back to their original insurance premiums and pay what they were before Biden subsidized part of their payments... "

              This talking point can be repeated endlessly and it's still will not be true

              The premiums are two or three times as much.... Folks are already receiving notices...

              AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN....

              EMTALA IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE

              People who show up at emergency rooms with emergencies will be treated... Whether this bunch likes it or not

            2. Willowarbor profile image60
              Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

              "This BS regarding subsidies is a scam, twist of words, trying to sell something that is just not factual... Anyone on ACA  will need to go back to their original insurance premiums and pay what they were before Biden subsidized part of their payments.."

              This isn't true .... The premium tax credits reduced premiums by about 40%..... My premium has just been projected to go up 200%


              Bravo that you're so lucky... Too bad that luck hasn't extended to about half the country...

  35. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    And  yet another stupifying moment, bullshit Barbie says that Trump posted a trolling video, likening Russ Vought firing people to the grim reaper, is "the President likes to have a little fun..."

    At suffering Americans' expense. What a disgusting person....

  36. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    https://hubstatic.com/17652470_f1024.jpg

    Turns out the American people aren’t buying the Trump/Republican lies.  Gee whiz we're not as dumb as he thinks we are...

    Nearly half blame Trump and the GOP for the shutdown.

    Trump thinks if he causes Democrats enough pain, they will cave. Not realizing the pain he’s causing is on both sides of the aisle.

  37. Credence2 profile image81
    Credence2posted 4 weeks ago

    Here is the fact:

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … ealthcare/

    Unfortunately, from  a left standpoint, this is the reason:

    https://www.salon.com/2025/10/03/jd-van … alth-care/

    1. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      What’s being left out is important. There are currently over 1.5 million pending asylum applications in the U.S., and many migrants face wait times of several years before their cases are heard. During this long period, they remain in the country as non-citizens, without full status.

      While the majority of asylum seekers do appear for their hearings according to government data, the backlog itself creates a serious strain on resources. Under the Democrats’ plan, migrants who are still in legal limbo would gain access to certain health care programs, despite not being citizens. Yes, it is true that those here illegally (just walked in) are not eligible for federal health benefits, but the way Democrats frame this issue—using terms like “legal migrants” and “illegal migrants”—can blur the line between citizens and non-citizens, including asylum seekers who may or may not ever gain approval to stay.

      The bottom line is this: asylum seekers are still not citizens, yet Democrats want to expand benefits such as health care and potentially other programs to cover them while they await decisions. In my view, this is deeply unfair to American citizens who already struggle to compete for limited federal funds to support their own health care, housing, and basic needs.

      1. Credence2 profile image81
        Credence2posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        What about all of the startling increase in premiums that would be immediately experienced by 20 million Americans if the ACA provisions are cut. Is there not a case to be made here?

        1. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Cred,  The truth is, the so-called “premium hikes” people are talking about are really just the end of temporary federal subsidies that were added under President Biden’s American Rescue Plan and later extended by the Inflation Reduction Act. These subsidies were never permanent; they were meant to help people through the COVID period and are set to expire after 2025 unless Congress acts again.

          So, yes, when the subsidies end, those using ACA plans will simply go back to paying what they originally signed up for before the government stepped in. Common sense tells me that these individuals joined the ACA knowing their premium costs and were paying them just fine before Biden decided to have taxpayers cover part of the bill. They got a temporary break for a couple of years; now it’s just time to return to the normal costs they agreed to pay.

          And before anyone defends keeping these subsidies permanent, they really should look at what this program has already cost taxpayers over the years, as well as the projections if it were kept in place indefinitely. I’ve posted those numbers before; it’s no small figure. This is a massive ongoing expense for a program that was never meant to be a permanent handout. Plus note stats of enrollees after Biden's freebie

          In 2020, about 11.4 million people selected marketplace (ACA) plans.
          In 2024, total plan selections were 21.31 million.
          In 2025, total plan selections reached a record 24.3 million

          So, a better question ---can we afford to pay for socialized healthcare?

          1. Willowarbor profile image60
            Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Doesn't really matter what you call it... Over 20 million people will likely be unable to afford a health Plan any longer... Tell us what that will cost taxpayers... You do realize that only 53% of this nation have  employer-based private insurance.

          2. Credence2 profile image81
            Credence2posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            I appreciate your reply, I just hope that the vast majority that would be adversely affected in Red states appreciate it as well and will give the GOP a free pass.

            Socialism is virtually an expletive in the American lexicon, but I have to wonder if raw capitalism really works in this realm of health care. You either afford to pay, bankrupt your household or die rather than get treatment. My English friend Arthur seems to find that aspect of American life and medical care as barbaric. And the more I see the rising costs with no real relief for consumers, I would tend to agree with him.

            Can we afford to pay for socialized healthcare? Maybe a better question is, can we afford not to?

            1. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

              Cred,  I understand your concerns, but I think it’s important to separate the perception of capitalism from the realities of American healthcare. Yes, costs are high, but that’s not because free markets inherently fail, it’s often due to overregulation, administrative inefficiencies, and government programs that distort pricing.

              I spend my winters in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, in an area where many U.S. and Canadian citizens come to escape the cold. I have many Canadian friends who love their country, but I have never met one who truly likes their healthcare system. Most are wealthy, and if they need serious care, for example, surgery or cancer treatment, they choose to receive it in the U.S. Many also get dental or minor surgeries done in Mexico because, after age 55, certain procedures are either not available or are delayed for years in Canada.

              This is the key point: the U.S. has the best medical care in the world, and anyone who needs treatment can walk into an ER and get care, whether it’s emergency surgery, cancer treatment, or management of serious diseases. Patients are not turned away for lack of funds or eligibility. That access, combined with innovation and advanced technology, is the strength of a capitalist healthcare system.

              ACA is a tool to help make insurance more affordable, without dismantling the market or undermining the quality of care. In my view, it was working out well before COVID, without the Federal government adding subsidies. The enrollment was picking up, and we were seeing insurance companies competing, which offered Americans lower premiums. The subsidies were not permanent, and we knew this. Not sure why now some feel the rug has been pulled from under them--- All that will happen is their premiums will return to what they paid before COVID.  I don't think many know the ACA is protested by laws that prevent price gouging. (I just added a thread on this subject.)  I  guess one must ask themself--- do I want a form of socialized healthcare, and as a taxpayer, do I want to pay for it?

              Socialized systems may sound appealing in theory, but in practice, they often result in long waits, limited access to cutting-edge treatments, and rationed care. The problem is not capitalism, it’s poorly structured policy.

              Another important real question we can afford socialized healthcare. Do we want to maintain access, quality, and innovation while making care reasonably affordable? With the right policies and targeted assistance, the U.S. system can continue to provide world-class healthcare without the downsides of a one-size-fits-all government program.

              I believe the final point is crucial. I’ve come to realize that this isn’t just the usual gloom-and-doom rhetoric about going broke; we truly are facing serious financial challenges. A quick look at the federal budget shows just how stressed programs like Medicare and Medicaid are: Medicare’s trust fund is projected to be depleted in the next few years, and Medicaid’s costs continue to rise faster than tax revenues. Can we afford all the migrants? Can they also walk into any hospital for care? I mean, do they not compete with Americans who truly are below a level that enables them to afford healthcare?  I have no answers, but I sure as hell have concerns.

              So the question becomes: can we afford to keep adding more people to the Medicare or Medicaid rolls? The true safety net for our very poor... Can we, as a nation, even consider maintaining subsidies for millions and millions of people indefinitely? It only takes a little research to see the writing clearly on the wall.

              1. Willowarbor profile image60
                Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                Riddled with misinformation.. again

              2. Credence2 profile image81
                Credence2posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                Well, Sharlee, screening out for right wing bias, I like this explanation as to why our health care systems are so expensive. See below:

                My brother living in Spain as an expat has to pay a flat fee of around 3000 a year to obtain free medical care in their system, at a “first world” medical standard. The idea of interminable waits may be just right wing propaganda. I cannot speak to what is happening in Canada, and how this is understood by (wealthy) Canadians,  but my brother says that he pays for a for additional private plan (around 200 per month) that gets him around much of the queue. And inspite of that, it is still cheaper than what I pay out of pocket. That is a fraction for what I currently pay for insurance and co-pays.

                The Democrats and I have no dispute regarding no medical care for illegal migrants. The reality is that many citizens cannot afford proper medical care as if it is anything like what I am experiencing,  costs for insurance are rising faster than inflation. Do we leave the injured in the street if they cannot provide cash up front to a medical facility, is this the mark of a civilized society? I believe that major changes are due in this area and just like the idea of communally providing for a common defense, this health care issue is of the same magnitude, facing the universal human issue of injury and physical frailty associated with life. Obama attempted to address this even though with flaws, what has been the answer from the GOP? I have not seen anything better from them.

                ==========
                American healthcare is so expensive due to factors including high administrative costs, higher prices for drugs and services, a lack of government price negotiation on drugs, and a fragmented, for-profit system with powerful, consolidated insurance and hospital industries. Additionally, the for-profit nature of the U.S. system and the greater compensation of medical professionals also contribute significantly to the costs compared to other developed countries. 

                Specific Cost Drivers

                High Prices for Drugs and Services: The U.S. pays significantly more for prescription drugs and medical services than other developed nations.

                Lack of Price Negotiation: Unlike other countries that actively negotiate prices for treatments and drugs, the U.S. government has not done this, leading to higher prices.

                High Administrative Costs: A substantial portion of U.S. healthcare costs is tied to administrative tasks like billing and managing payments, a burden far greater than in other countries.

                Profit-Driven System: The American healthcare system is largely a for-profit industry, which incentivizes higher costs and potentially less efficient care.

                Consolidated Industry: Increased consolidation among powerful insurance companies and hospitals gives them more market power to command higher prices.

                Increased Utilization (in some areas): While higher prices explain a large part of excess spending, Americans also utilize some medical services more than people in other countries, though the primary driver is high prices for those services.

                Higher Salaries for Providers: Doctors, nurses, and other medical professionals in the U.S. are compensated at higher rates than their counterparts in other countries.

                Fee-for-Service Model: Many healthcare services are compensated on a fee-for-service basis, which encourages providers to deliver more services rather than rewarding quality or positive outcomes.

                Impact of the System Structure
                Complexity: The complex, fragmented system involving various insurance plans means that hospitals and doctors must work harder to prove the necessity of treatments, increasing administrative overhead.

                No Government Price Controls: The U.S. government intervenes less in forcing down prices compared to other countries, allowing for higher costs across the board.
                =================

            2. Ken Burgess profile image72
              Ken Burgessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

              Your problem is you think a corrupt bunch up in DC are really going to do anything about it.

              ACA was passed by the Dems... By Obama.

              And yet ACA plans cover less than any insurance that was available prior to it passing...with higher deductible ...costing more than ever...

              Americans paid more, got less...but the Insurance and Pharma companies got rich.

              1. Credence2 profile image81
                Credence2posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                Perhaps, Ken, but I have seen nothing at all from the Republican side of the isle, short of bankruptcy or death from not being able to afford medicine.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                  Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Cred,   Last week, President Donald Trump secured a landmark historical agreement with Pfizer to lower prescription drug prices in the United States, announced on September 30, 2025. Under this deal, Pfizer will provide all its medications to Medicaid programs at prices aligned with the lowest rates available in other developed countries, a move expected to reduce government healthcare spending and ease the financial burden on state Medicaid budgets. In addition, Pfizer will offer substantial direct-to-consumer discounts—ranging from 50% to 85%—on many primary care and specialty drugs through a new platform called TrumpRx, aimed at making medications more affordable for uninsured or cash-paying patients. As part of the agreement, Pfizer has also committed to investing $70 billion into U.S.-based research, development, and manufacturing in exchange for tariff relief, supporting Trump’s broader strategy to bolster domestic industries. This agreement is a central part of Trump’s “Most Favored Nation” initiative, which seeks to align U.S. drug prices with those in other developed nations by leveraging tariff threats and negotiating directly with pharmaceutical companies. While the deal has been celebrated as a victory for consumers, some experts caution that the effectiveness of the TrumpRx platform and the actual savings for patients will depend on factors such as the range of drugs offered and platform accessibility. Beyond Pfizer, Trump is actively negotiating with other major pharmaceutical manufacturers to achieve similar agreements, signaling a continued push to reduce prescription drug costs nationwide. In summary, the Trump-Pfizer deal represents a significant step toward lowering U.S. drug prices, with potential benefits for both Medicaid programs and individual consumers.

                  Trump is working to bring drug prices down to the level other nations pay. Should credit not be given when due? Many of his accomplishments are not being given the light they deserve, which is a shame, because he is working on so many promising issues.  And he is tackling issues that other presidents ignored or did little to solve, like the high cost of drugs. While some are wringing their hands over what he says, he is proving himself to be a great problem solver... I mean, even with the war in Israel, we see such progress... And it goes unnoted.

                  1. Willowarbor profile image60
                    Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                    It goes unoted because most of what Trump blathers about never comes to fruition or are just outright lies... He's like white noise to most of us now... Or a bothersome gnat

                  2. Credence2 profile image81
                    Credence2posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Again, I will give credit when its due after I am sure of its actual implementation and after all the tentative eggs have hatched successfully.

                2. Ken Burgess profile image72
                  Ken Burgessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                  The Dems had the chance to make major change... They passed the ACA...

                  What we have today is thanks to the Dems...

                  Some like Schumer and Pelosi are still there enjoying the fruits of screwing Americans over.

                  What we can thank the Republicans for is the changes Trump forced thru... Like getting rid of the penalty tax for not having insurance.

                  Not much... But better than what the Dems gave America with the ACA... Which helped Pharma and Insurance rake in more profits at taxpayer expense than ever before.

                  1. Credence2 profile image81
                    Credence2posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                    While the Republicans have been tearing it down since its inception, without offering a better alternative besides doing absolutely nothing

            3. Readmikenow profile image81
              Readmikenowposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

              Cred,

              I hope your having a nice day.

              Just an observation.

              You seem to be the only person on the left who can engage in a thoughtful and productive debate.  The only one who wants to discuss the topic and not go on rants.

              You may be the only person on the left who it is an enjoyable experience to discuss a topic with.

              I've come to realize maybe your IQ is a bit higher than the others.  I wonder how we would attract others like you to discuss things on this forum.

              Any ideas?

              1. Credence2 profile image81
                Credence2posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                Well, Mike it is another Saturday, as everyday is a Saturday these days for me, anyway.

                I appreciate your comment, but…..

                All of my associates on supporting the Left’s point of view provide much of the hard data that I use for most of my comments. They do the heavy lifting to provide a sizable amount  of research and information to debunk so many fallacious rightwing arguments and points of view. Regardless, I believe that the rightwinger is a lost cause, inherently, so they have far more patience than I have.

                I regard them all as intelligent people. So, what ever complaint you have about them, I am probably worse.

                But your point is well taken regarding attracting others, anyone.  I am still appalled as to how few of us are debating these topics, I would have thought that we would have more involvement. Is it the fact that so many have a thin skin? I thrive in the debate environment but many are intimidated.

                Hub pages has many adherents, it just seems that the amount of participants in the forum have dropped off in recent years, and I don’t know why. Many have crossed the line and have been permanently banned, but all the same, our forum has taken losses and no new ones have come. I am at wits end as you are on this.

                1. Readmikenow profile image81
                  Readmikenowposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                  "the amount of participants in the forum have dropped off in recent years, and I don’t know why."

                  I share your confusion.

                  Whatever happened to Valient?  He gave me a bad time all the time, but I miss his voice.  I don't remember seeing any comments since President Donald Trump was elected for a second time. 

                  Sadly, I don't see things changing any time soon on this forum.

                2. Sharlee01 profile image84
                  Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Cred, I’m not sure how anyone on the left on this forum can be said to provide actual data or facts. I very rarely see sources cited. What I usually see are allegations, if anything at all, along with constant whataboutisms.

                  I’ve withdrawn from debating some here because of this; it feels pointless to argue with people who don’t rely on facts but instead focus on accusations and deflections. Maybe take a moment to consider how many have been banned, many using a style of communicating that was pretty much about all of the above I mentioned. As a rule, we are on different sides of the coin, but we have always had good conversations.

                  1. Credence2 profile image81
                    Credence2posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Sharlee, I just see both sides giving as good as it gets. My side documents from credible sources as you say that your side does. I don’t particularly see people on my side of the divide arguing a case without supporting evidence. I see people on my side challenging specious and incomplete information from your side, as you may well say about us.

                    I don’t find discourtesy from my side of the ledger, as I like to believe that we are not afraid of contrary ideas, but are prepared to challenge them and make assertions that would disturb many. They are not ones to propose banning people because of debate outcomes, failure to agree on an issue.

                    I expect them to keep working on ‘you guys” as I will to get some of you to see the light. But, again, there isn’t many regulars left around. It would be interesting to have more people in the mix with their varied opinions.

            4. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

              Cred,  I understand your concerns, but I think it’s important to separate the perception of capitalism from the realities of American healthcare. Yes, costs are high, but that’s not because free markets inherently fail, it’s often due to overregulation, administrative inefficiencies, and government programs that distort pricing.

              I spend my winters in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, in an area where many U.S. and Canadian citizens come to escape the cold. I have many Canadian friends who love their country, but I have never met one who truly likes their healthcare system. Most are wealthy, and if they need serious care, for example, surgery or cancer treatment, they choose to receive it in the U.S. Many also get dental or minor surgeries done in Mexico because, after age 55, certain procedures are either not available or are delayed for years in Canada.

              This is the key point: the U.S. has the best medical care in the world, and anyone who needs treatment can walk into an ER and get care, whether it’s emergency surgery, cancer treatment, or management of serious diseases. Patients are not turned away for lack of funds or eligibility. That access, combined with innovation and advanced technology, is the strength of a capitalist healthcare system.

              ACA is a tool to help make insurance more affordable, without dismantling the market or undermining the quality of care. In my view, it was working out well before COVID, without the Federal government adding subsidies. The enrollment was picking up, and we were seeing insurance companies competing, which offered Americans lower premiums. The subsidies were not permanent, and we knew this. Not sure why now some feel the rug has been pulled from under them--- All that will happen is their premiums will return to what they paid before COVID.  I don't think many know the ACA is protested by laws that prevent price gouging. (I just added a thread on this subject.)  I  guess one must ask themself--- do I want a form of socialized healthcare, and as a taxpayer, do I want to pay for it?

              Socialized systems may sound appealing in theory, but in practice, they often result in long waits, limited access to cutting-edge treatments, and rationed care. The problem is not capitalism, it’s poorly structured policy.

              Another important real question we can afford socialized healthcare. Do we want to maintain access, quality, and innovation while making care reasonably affordable? With the right policies and targeted assistance, the U.S. system can continue to provide world-class healthcare without the downsides of a one-size-fits-all government program.

              I believe the final point is crucial. I’ve come to realize that this isn’t just the usual gloom-and-doom rhetoric about going broke; we truly are facing serious financial challenges. A quick look at the federal budget shows just how stressed programs like Medicare and Medicaid are: Medicare’s trust fund is projected to be depleted in the next few years, and Medicaid’s costs continue to rise faster than tax revenues. Can we afford all the migrants? Can they also walk into any hospital for care? I mean, do they not compete with Americans who truly are below a level that enables them to afford healthcare?  I have no answers, but I sure as hell have concerns.

              So the question becomes: can we afford to keep adding more people to the Medicare or Medicaid rolls? The true safety net for our very poor... Can we, as a nation, even consider maintaining subsidies for millions and millions of people indefinitely? It only takes a little research to see the writing clearly on the wall.

              I have added several of my sources, which should offer facts. My views were derived from these sources, as well as my own life experiences.

              https://www.ncpssm.org/documents/medica … hatgpt.com
              https://www.cms.gov/priorities/your-pat … oom-rights
              https://www.kff.org/affordable-care-act … hatgpt.com
              https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req … ion=prelim
              https://www.cms.gov/marketplace/resourc … s-guidance
              https://ratereview.healthcare.gov/
              https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req … ion=prelim

              1. Credence2 profile image81
                Credence2posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                Thank you for sharing the data

                But this says it all:

                “Older Americans and people with disabilities should never have to choose between paying for health care, food or utilities. Medicare benefits must be improved, not cut. The program’s long-term solvency must also be strengthened, and access to health care providers and benefits must be preserved.”
                ———
                And we have to pull all stops to make this happen. It is interesting to note that the largest anticipated increases in premiums are expected at 88 percent were the states that voted for Trump. Will they endure the upcoming pain, based on free market-too expensive explanations?

                this is a catastrophe akin to facing the world disarmed. It can’t be allowed to happen at the risk of the entire society being unraveled. Just like we always seem to find the money for a perceived military shortfall, we had better find the money for this, as I consider this as just as grave a matter. Everything needs to be reevaluated otherwise only those with Trump’s 24k gold toilets can afford to get sick. This is a problem that we are going to have to get under control very soon and a capitalist, free market approach seems to be increasingly inadequate to the task.

                No we cannot afford the illegal migrants, but I don’t know that restricting access by other legal migrants will be worth the damage of catastrophically greater costs to so many others.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                  Sharlee01posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                  “Older Americans and people with disabilities should never have to choose between paying for health care, food or utilities. Medicare benefits must be improved, not cut. The program’s long-term solvency must also be strengthened, and access to health care providers and benefits must be preserved.”Cred

                  I understand the concern expressed in that comment, and I agree that seniors and people with disabilities should never have to choose between essentials like healthcare, food, or utilities. That’s a priority we all share. However, it’s important to note that Trump’s proposed solutions to Medicare and Medicaid aim to strengthen the programs’ long-term solvency without cutting benefits for seniors or people with true disabilities. His plans focus on reducing unnecessary expenditures, streamlining services, and avoiding the addition of new individuals who are not U.S. citizens to the rolls, which would otherwise increase costs.

                  In fact, the protections in Trump’s proposals specifically ensure that no senior will see their benefits reduced, and some measures could even lead to increased support. So while the comment frames the issue as “cuts,” the Trump approach is really about financial sustainability and protecting the most vulnerable, rather than harming anyone. It seems sensible to weigh both the need to preserve benefits and the need to keep the programs solvent. Ignoring the cost side risks jeopardizing Medicare and Medicaid for everyone in the long term.

                  Exemptions to the new rules

                  Certain groups are exempt from these requirements, meaning they are not required to meet the 80-hour engagement rule:

                  Senior citizens (65 and older), remain fully eligible without any work or engagement requirements.

                  Individuals with disabilities who are unable to work or participate in other activities due to medical conditions.

                  Pregnant women, recognizing the unique needs and healthcare requirements during pregnancy.

                  Parents or guardians of children under 14, acknowledging the time and responsibilities involved in child care.

                  "And we have to pull all stops to make this happen. It is interesting to note that the largest anticipated increases in premiums are expected at 88 percent were the states that voted for Trump. Will they endure the upcoming pain, based on free market-too expensive explanations?" Cred

                  ACA is protected from gouging by law.,  Affordable Care Act (ACA) includes provisions designed to protect consumers from excessive health insurance premium increases, aiming to prevent "gouging" by insurers.

                  1. Credence2 profile image81
                    Credence2posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                    It all sounds great, I will wait and see as to how the proposals play once actually on the ground.

                  2. Credence2 profile image81
                    Credence2posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Thanks for your explanation…

  38. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    https://hubstatic.com/17652594.png

    1. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Just wait for 77 percent to get a taste of the medicine the GOP prescribes.

  39. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    PEASANTS, SHUT UP ABOUT YOUR HEALTH CARE! OUR QUEEN’S BALLROOM WILL BE ALMOST AS BEAUTIFUL AS HER!

    Gavin Newsom  LOL

    https://hubstatic.com/17652602.jpg

  40. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    Oh yes.. just like it says in the Bible.. I'M SO SICK OF THIS FREAKING FAKE CHRISTIANITY

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1974167763833753679

    What will it take for this bunch to allow people to bleed out in emergency waiting rooms???

    YOU'LL HAVE TO CHANGE REAGAN'S EMTALA LAW

  41. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    YouGov..

    Which do you think is the more important goal for Congressional Democrats in government shutdown negotiations?

    https://hubstatic.com/17653049.jpg

    YES...WE AREN'T STUPID

    1. wilderness profile image81
      wildernessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      None of the above.  It is to prove that they are still, somehow, a power in DC and can push through liberal ideology onto the rest of us.  And, of course, show us again that they can our money at will.

      1. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        It would appear that this view belongs to a very small minority...

  42. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    ObamaCare Subsidy Recipients:

    Red States: 18.2 million people.
    Blue States: 5.8 million people.

    What is it again that folks here are saying about the ACA???

    How many of those people are rural residents?

    How many of those are farmers? The farmers who posters here say we need to protect?

    Surely folks understand that farming is a business, a privately owned business... Farmers and their families have to purchase healthcare...

    So yeah, tell me more about the ACA

    1. wilderness profile image81
      wildernessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      The ACA is the largest government spending program in the history of the world, a tremendous boondoggle of waste promoted by Democrats as solving all the healthcare problems while hopefully buying more liberal votes from the pockets of the producers of America.

      What else is to say?

      1. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

        Liberal votes? Lol ...more maga use the ACA to purchase their health care than anyone.... This includes most of the farmers... GOOD LUCK WITH THAT..

        The polls show that America isn't buying Trump's nonsense... We aren't as dumb as he thinks...

  43. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    "77% of ACA Marketplace Enrollees Live in Trump-Won States as Subsidies Near Expiration...."

    WOW. More than I thought.

    A Kaiser Family Foundation report reveals that 18.7 million of the 24.3 million ACA Marketplace enrollees reside in the 31 states Donald Trump won in the 2024 election, with the sharpest enrollment growth in non-Medicaid expansion states like Texas and West Virginia. ...COOL

  44. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    Only 53% of Americans get their health insurance through their employer. Private coverage is too expensive for most. ....

    QUESTION.... Where do you folks think farmers get their health insurance from??? LOL

  45. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 4 weeks ago

    Rural America Will See Steep Health Insurance Hikes Without ACA Credits...

    https://hubstatic.com/17653091.png

  46. Readmikenow profile image81
    Readmikenowposted 4 weeks ago
  47. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 3 weeks ago

    WE GET IT

    https://hubstatic.com/17653505.jpg


    https://hubstatic.com/17653506_f1024.jpg


    https://hubstatic.com/17653508.jpg

  48. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 3 weeks ago

    Trump: "I call them Democrat layoffs. We have a record setting economy. We have a record setting country. Prices are way down. We're doing better than the country's ever done.”

    DELUSIONAL

  49. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 3 weeks ago

    Republicans gutted protections, sued to dismantle the ACA, blocked Medicaid expansion in red states, and now blame Obamacare for rising costs?

    If they were serious about affordability, they’d stop playing politics with people’s health and start protecting access, not cutting it.

    In the richest country on Earth, we should ensure everyone can afford to see a doctor without going bankrupt.

    That’s not a radical idea. It’s basic decency and obtainable in most developed countries today.....

    The majority of Americans understand and support this idea.

  50. Willowarbor profile image60
    Willowarborposted 3 weeks ago

    Why do doctors treat undocumented immigrants in emergency rooms?

    A. They took an oath to help people.

    B. It’s the law. EMTALA, signed by Pres Reagan....

 
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