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   Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years ago

   What is a TOS violation? A found that on my affiliate settings today. For three weeks it had said; You severed your affiliation with Hub. I never did that. I explained to Ad-Sense what I believe had happene, and was waiting for a reply. I believed we were going to try to iron things out. What am I supposed to do now; I was just shy of $100.

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      lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Ton of Sh*t?
      
      just kidding - sorry buddy no idea

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         Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         lyric,
         
         I'm sure there are many more of us that do not understand.

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         AlienVisitorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         LOL, I think it means "terms of service" allthough i like your discription better.

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   Marisa Wrightposted 14 years ago

   That doesn't sound good, Harvey.  Are you saying that Adsense suspended you?  Did you get an email or anything from them?  Can you log on to your Adsense account?
   
   A TOS violation means you contravened the Terms of Service somehow.  I assume it was the Adsense TOS.  Did you try emailing the HP team when the message first appeared?

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      Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Marisa,
      
      I explain to Ad-Sense that a fried wanted to help me, and clicked awy on the Google ads. They never get back to you, you just have to find what they did. They said; we can discuss any problem. That's pure bull!

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         pauldeedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Google takes click fraud very seriously.  If you informed Google yourself quickly after your friend tried to "help you", you might have a chance.  If they discovered it on their own, suspended you, and then you tried to plead your case, it's very unlikely that they will ever reverse their decision.
         
         Here are the Google AdSense Terms of Service.

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            Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Paul,
            
            I received a phone call about what was done, and immediately looked at my Ad-Sense account. It already said diabled, so I wrote them immediately telling the story.
            
            They replied saying; they will get back to me in about 30 days. At about 30 days I found a TOS on my account. They had told me this can be discussed after looking it over, that never happened.
            
            It appears to me they intend to keep all previous earnings. This must be done to all in my position, that is a lot of money. Also making you wait a month after reaching $100 until paying yu genarates millions in interest for them.
            
            Is there anything I can do? If I start legal action this will quickly become a class action suit, that is not my intention.
            I hope to hear from you soon.
            
            Respectfully,
            Harvey Stelman

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               darksideposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               There's a lesson to be learned. IF possible, don't tell family and friends about your online activities. Seriously.
               
               And if you do, don't tell them about Adsense.
               
               And if you do, explain to them that every click can and will be tracked and you can get banned for fraud.
               
               Bannings for this happens all the time. And Google have the right to protect their advertisers. In fact, they've been successfully sued by advertisers in the past for not making enough effort to deal with click fraud. So Google takes it very seriously.

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            Marisa Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Looks like your goose is cooked, Harvey.  I guess they get lots of people who perpetrate click fraud, then try to blame it on "a friend" when they're found out - so you get caught in the same net.
            
            Misha's advice is good.

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               Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Marisa,
               
               The person that did this would testify to doing it.

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            Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Paul,
            
            Please take note of my e-mail below to Misha.
            
            Respectfully,
            Harvey

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      Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Marisa,
      
      Hub now wouldn't take my first response to you. They said; you have posted a similar thread or whatever.

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   Marisa Wrightposted 14 years ago

   Harvey, I had a look back in the forums and saw a post you'd made then about a strange message. You were advised to contact HubPages - did they respond?
   
   What exactly did Google tell you at that time?

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      Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Marisa,
      
      They said it was between me and Ad-Sense.

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   rebekahELLEposted 14 years ago

   congrats on the 100, marisa~

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      Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      rebekah,
      
      No congrat's, NO MONEY! Thanks anyway.

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   flread45posted 14 years ago

   The morrow of this story is NEVER let any friend or relative click on adsense in YOUR hub.
   And always contact google immediately after you find out this happened.
   They have no problem tracing your friends and relatives.
   All they have to do is check who you e-mail or twitter,facebook,etc.

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      Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      fire,
      
      If you don't know; what can you do?

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      Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Flread, it's a bit overboard, they are not god or government to track your emails LOL
      
      However, they drop cookies on your computer, and track your IP - this is enough to catch most suspicious clicks.
      
      Harvey, your best bet is to open another account - either as a business entity, or to ask a relative to do this for you - different postal and email address of course, and bank info. Good luck!

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         Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Misha, What about the money they owe me for past months. There must be at least thousands of people in my situation. Google makes a fortune holding everyones money for different reasons. Most people back off. I'm thing of a class action suit.
         
         What do yo think? It would be for people on all sites.

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            Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Come on Harvey, life is not fair, and might makes right. Write it off as tuition fee, and move on.

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         Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Misha,
         
         Did you know that Google also has the ability to and does take all of your e-mails in. I have found some of my e-mails when I Google myself. They give you the ability to not have these seen.
         
         Did I give them permission to do that; NO! They have every e-mail you have sent. Does that sound legal? If I bring suit and everyone is informed of the above; how many people world wide would want to join in the suit?

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            Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            If you want to entertain yourself with a lawsuit, go for it. However, I think you want to gain a bit more understanding of how things work in computers first, cause you obviously lack in this area.

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   kirstenblogposted 14 years ago

   It sounds like its a good idea to report any unusual ad clicking even if you are unsure that it was someone trying to 'help' you out. If you average at like 2% and it jumps by a lot it would be safer to contact google and ask them to have a look because you don't usually average so high. If there is no problem then at least you contacted google first and if there is by being the one to contact them they can know you are not trying anything dodgy. I will definitely keep this in mind myself

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   rajan1311posted 14 years ago

   same problem here...and i dont have an account yet !

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      skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      If you don't have account then adsense of HP will be shown on your hubs.

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   rajan1311posted 14 years ago

   then y did i get the TOS violation message ??

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   sunforgedposted 14 years ago

   Adsense publishers have sued and won
   
   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aaron-gre … 72403.html
   
   
   well, one has

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      Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      the publisher got his money due, but did not get his account reinstated. G might have gone unprepared to small claims once. You want to bet it happens again?

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         Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Actually he did not get his money - G filed an appeal and won. There is a second article, linked from the first.

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    brimancandyposted 14 years ago

    You have to be kidding me. How in the heck would they know that a friend or relative is clicking on your ads? And, how would a person who is related to those people know that they are doing it? Maybe they are doing it just to help that person get some traffic. They don't know the terms of service?
    
    And, how do they know that the person who is clicking on the ads might not be someone who is trying to get someone banned?
    I would like to know how they are supposed to know these things.
    What information are they getting that were aren't?

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       EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I think they'd know the timing of the clicks, and whether they came from the same computer (I would assume from the IP address??).  But they wouldn't know whether the clicks were malicious or just someone trying to be helpful (some kinds of help one can do without lol).  And I don't think they very much care from what I can gather.  That article Sunforged posted was quite an eye-opener, and not in a good way.

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    Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago

    They truly don't care if the clicks were maliciious or not. Because what they do care about is the advertiser who is paying the bill. And when someone clicks "for charity" it means that they aren't clicking in good faith. And the advertiser is getting screwed. If G doesn't police this then advertisers will no longer particpate.
    
    If a site or hub, continually receives these clicks then the site or hub is no longer in G's best interest. They have all sorts of very complex statistical models that evaluate the worth of a site and the clicks it receives.

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    AlienVisitorposted 14 years ago

    I think It means "Terms Of Service",and yes its on a hair trigger, do any kind of wrong movement and Bang!In flash your gone, did they at least tell you why? or What your violation was, I think anyone with a adsense account worries about this because I hear it alot, people getting suspended without notice from all four corners of the world. Maybe its like the world "over populated"and when one little thing goes wrong they terminate you. I don,t think its fair at all, I would try and email them repeatedly, hopfully its a error.

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