Happy 4th of July! and interesting info
- Brenda Durhamposted 11 years ago
0From Wikipedia:
During the American Revolution, the legal separation of the Thirteen Colonies from Great Britain occurred on July 2, 1776, when the Second Continental Congress voted to approve a resolution of independence that had been proposed in June by Richard Henry Lee of Virginia declaring the United States independent from Great Britain.[4][5] After voting for independence, Congress turned its attention to the Declaration of Independence, a statement explaining this decision, which had been prepared by a Committee of Five, with Thomas Jefferson as its principal author. Congress debated and revised the wording of the Declaration, finally approving it on July 4. A day earlier, John Adams had written to his wife Abigail:
" The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary festival. It ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires, and illuminations, from one end of this continent to the other, from this time forward forever more.[6] "
Adams's prediction was off by two days. From the outset, Americans celebrated independence on July 4, the date shown on the much-publicized Declaration of Independence, rather than on July 2, the date the resolution of independence was approved in a closed session of Congress.[7]
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Happy Independence Day to everyone in the U.S.A.!!
And hopefully it won't be long before we gain independence from the tyranny we're now under from the leadership, just as the people gained their independence from the tyranny of the King of Great Britain those many years ago................Oh so close! It was almost a wonderful patriotic post without any political agenda at all.
Missed it by "this" much.
Too bad neither Jefferson or Adams were Christians... or you could have slipped religion in there too.Apparently you didn't read the whole thing.
It was Adams who mentioned "religion" (actually, he said God Almighty).
And I didn't "miss" anything, and wasn't trying to adhere to any perceived notion of yours anyway. ha.
All three elements-------patriotism, politics, and acknowledgement of God the Creator-------are intertwined in the tradition of celebrating the 4th of July in America, and always have been. Maybe you missed that all these years............Adams was a Unitarian.
You said Unitarians aren't Christians...
Ergo, Adams wasn't a Christian.
Don't pull the patriotism crap on me Brenda. I was practically born with a flag in my hand. I have enough respect for the US to respect the commander-in-chief... no matter whether I like him or not.I didn't make any judgement about Adams at all.
I simply said he mentioned God Almighty.
I have no idea whether Adams was a Christian or not, and it doesn't matter in this situation. He mentioned God Almighty and worshipping Him.
And I have no idea if all Unitarians are of the same non-doctrine as you are or not, Melissa! lol. (You said earlier that "they" have no doctrine, that you have no doctrine, but then you also said you're both a Unitarian and a Universalist.
Whatever!
And I respect the Office of the President of the United States. But not the current person sitting in that Office. To respect someone even if they're not respectable, and especially if they're a tyrant, would be foolish AND unpatriotic.UU's have no doctrine. Unitarians do.
Unitarian is pretty self-explanatory in doctrine, especially when you compare it to Trinitarian. No Trinity.
But that's neither here nor there.
The office and the person are the same for all intents in purpose. Commander-in-Chief, specifically, is the office I respect.
You can mutter under your breath all you like, I guess, but the office and the man holding it command the greatest fighting force on the face of the planet. The very same institution that protects your right to be nasty and biting about it's Commander. Try and show some respect.Respect?
If you want to show respect for the man who shows NO respect for you or for any other American, no respect for the lives of little babies, no respect for God, no respect for anyone or anything except his own ego, you go ahead. I don't have to respect manipulators and tyrants, and he's in those categories.
You should try and show some respect for people who show good morality and for patriots. Obama isn't one of those.
Come on. I bet you can do it if you set your mind to it. There's a first time for 'most everything.......Yes Brenda I do.
Maybe it's a difference in how we were raised. I was raised that you have respect for the Armed Forces. Every single member of such. With each rank, your display of respect should increase. Now I'll tell you what, if Obama slapped me across the face, I would still salute the man. Because he is the Commander-In-Chief of the United State Armed Forces.
You salute the flag. You stand at attention for the National Anthem. You call everybody in a uniform Sir or Maam. And you respect the Commander-In-Chief.
Seems simple to me.Oh my.
And here I thought you were all for freedom and individual rights, yet you'd let Obama slap you?!
LOLOL. I can't imagine how anyone would allow someone to tyrannize them like that. I'm astonished! I thought you had more self-respect than that.
If he slapped me, I'd slap him back, or else sue his pants off. If he ever shows some respect for people, then I might respect him. As it stands right now, the only thing I have to respect him as...is the fact that he's a human being with a soul that needs to be saved. I am commanded to do that, and only that, by One Commander who's much higher than he is.Actually, I really would. I had my butt beat by several members of the Army. I still saluted them. Many of them had stars to go with those bars.
Patriotism and respect for the Armed Forces was instilled in me from birth. It is offensive when someone doesn't show the same respect for the organization that protects them.
If I can break my leg making sure a flag doesn't touch the ground (true story) out of respect for what it represents, you can do the same for what the person holding the position of CIC represents.Nope.
He doesn't properly represent that Office.
I have plenty of respect for the Armed Forces. That was instilled in me too, all my life, respect for God, Country, and what's right.
Oddly, though, taking a beating from somebody who simply wanted to tyrannize me was never instilled in me! I'm sorry that you were taught that someone has the right to beat you up! I'm sorry that you can't see the difference between submitting to brutal tyranny and having respect for flag and Country. Must be kinda like the "hate the sin, love the sinner" concept.......you don't seem to understand that either.
It wasn't the Armed Forces that beat you up. It was some individual or individuals who beat you up. And again.........I'm appalled that you'd think they had the right to do that to you. Is this why you're so hard and cold sometimes?.............
Who else would you allow to slap you? Anyone who carries a title higher than yours? Good grief.......LOL, there's a difference between an butt-beating and getting beat up.
I really am sorry about the confusion there.
I was raised on an Army base Brenda. My principal spanked my butt. I saluted him. My teachers spanked my butt. I saluted them. My baby-sitters were privates who pissed my dad off enough to earn the privilege of watching me. They were still higher rank than me. I saluted them.
Hell, the doctor that delivered me had a rank, he likely spanked my butt too. I likely saluted HIM too.
But on the serious side, yeah recruits get smacked around pretty regularly. I don't know if this is still true today, but it damn sure was when I was growing up. They still saluted the CO.
The CIC, yeah he's the biggest CO of them all.
I'm sorry you were never taught proper respect for the members of the Military. I can teach you etiquette if you like.O...k...aaaay.........so you're talking about being disciplined as a kid, I'm to take it?
That's different.
But for you to say that even now you'd let Obama slap you.......that's just messed up.
Just because a title is given to somebody doesn't mean they deserve the respect that's supposed to go along with it. I don't care what anyone says, that's just messed up. But it does illustrate how tyrants get by with their tyranny-------because people refuse to fight back.
As far as military recruits, I think everyone knows that basic training is tough and soldiers are treated by rank, and it's all done in order to toughen them up to face the enemy. Well....not "all". Because I don't think actually beatings are official training. Heck, soldiers can't even mistreat enemy prisoners, much less beat up their own recruits, especially if they claim to be gay! LOLOL.
Yep, Obama is the biggest....something alright. LOL. But he's not a true CIC, and I'm appalled that you'd let him slap you. I know something about women's propensity for blaming themselves when their husbands or boyfriends beat on them, but they usually finally get the message and actually put blame where blame is due instead of taking the rap for the guys' brutality. I don't care if someone is labeled with King of the world or whatever, he or she is still no better than I am, and sure as shootin' better not try to slap me around. For another thing, there'd be swift justice served upon them by my husband or family if they tried that.
I suppose you're still gonna say that the title of "President" entitles Obama to slap whoever he might decide to slap, whether in the military or not? That somehow he's special and entitled? That's nonsense. He's just a man, and has proven himself to be a pretty low one at that. His type of respecting titles instead of respect based on people's actions is one reason the Fort Hood killer is still on the military payroll (from what I've heard) even after killing a bunch of American soldiers. Reckon if he was just a recruit in basic training, he'd have been shot on sight by now?So you would actually encourage insubordination? That doesn't seem very pro-military.
You would encourage your husband to be physically violent?
You don't respect the CIC. You don't respect military rank. You say you are patriotic but would actually physically strike the leader of the country.
Wow. Yeah, you probably shouldn't start any pro-American threads again. You really shouldn't pretend to be proud of the US.
Love it or Leave it Brenda. Canada is north.
Whatever, Melissa.
I'm only interested in talking with you when you're holding an honest discussion, not when you're so obviously manipulative.
Bye.I am holding an honest conversation Brenda.
Your God crap doesn't really bother me, but you truly have offended me on this. It shows complete lack of respect for a country that I love.Excuse you not, but you've offended ME by saying you'd cow down to a man's brutality just because he's been handed the title of President.
I love America just as much as any other patriotic citizen.
I haven't shown any lack of respect for America at all.
I've shown a lack of respect for Obama's words and actions, indeed. Because he has shown only disrespect for Americans of all ages, shapes, sizes, and colors, and in particular has targeted Christians and other conservatives. Own the truth, dear, and don't accuse me of offense when you're the one who's posted disrespect for individual liberty. I can't imagine any woman (well....until you...) saying they'd let a man slap them just because he's of higher rank than them!Whatever Brenda. You make me ashamed to be an American. Don't say you support the Military when you are against everything it stands for.
That's twisted.
Because nothing nor nobody can make me ashamed to be an American.
You go right ahead and be ashamed if you wanna be. Your shame is right down there in the same category as Michelle Obama's when she said she was proud of America for the first time, and she said it just because her husband was elected President! She should've been proud to be an American (lol, if she even WAS an American) way before that. As in, all the years before that, that America had shown repentance and corrected its mistakes.
Don't say YOU support civil rights when you so happily say you'll let someone slap you just because they "rank" higher than you.Yet God can clean a whole planet of life and you adore him because he ranks higher than you.
I'm sure you'd let him slap you in the face.
When will the original inhabitants gain independence from tyranny?
So, Brenda, why spoil a perfectly good holiday with your obviously biased political commentary? The electorate had spoken in 2012, so why don't you get with the program? I was not fond of neither GW Bush nor Ronald Reagan, but I never considered either of them tyrants as they won in free and open elections. Your right wing soap box is wobbly, at best.
HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!No one except liberals like you is trying to spoil anything. Us conservatives don't let liberals spoil the 4th for us nor for the majority of other citizens. Just because some people only want to use it as a day to party without even taking thought as to what it's for doesn't mean the rest of us don't know what it's all about.
HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY, AMERICAN PATRIOTS!!
Happy rebellion of the 13 colonies day? One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. It's so ironic isn't it? A bunch of uppity colonials rebelling against the nation that gave them birth only to commit genocide of the natives whose lands you stole.
USA! USA! Excuse me whilst I ask the cat to stop laughing.
Hey Brenda,
I hope I don’t get banned again, like when I posted on your “Thanks to God for our military personnel” thread. Who can forget that one?
This is my take. Personally, I look to the Bible for answers. Two verses in the last chapter of Hebrews seem to me to be the most relevant to the discussion.
Hebrews 13:7: “Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.”
Hebrews 13:17: “Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, and they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable.”
I take special note of “who have spoken unto you the word of God” and “they watch out for your soul” in those two verses.
Now, some would say those verses pertain to spiritual leaders. In a sense the president of this country is (or should be) a “spiritual” leader.
The first two questions that I would regarding any “spiritual” leader are:
1. Is this leader telling the truth?
2. Is this leader trustworthy?
So my conclusion, for me personally, is that I will support Barack Obama, as president, but not on issues where he is speaking or acting contrary to the Word of God.Then you won't support him on very many issues! LOL.
Because he's anti-God on most of them; everything that comes out of his mouth is colored by his deep disrespect for Christianity.
Those verses don't apply to him, even.
For one thing, he isn't meant to "rule" over anybody! He's not a King like in Bible days. America was meant to be "ruled" by the people through elected and chosen Officials who are to serve as THEIR servants.
You're correct in taking into account those words "watch for your souls", and "spoken to you the word of God"............because Obama doesn't do either of those! His whole agenda, his whole intent, is contrary to the word of God.
There's no reason for you to get banned! Wasn't any reason before that I know of. But yeah, the animosity and controversy still seems to be popping up, but not like it was before, so far.
I'm looking forward to celebrating the 4th! We have a local celebration here in this little town, with concessions, a live band, and of course fireworks. We'll go to that, or else watch the fireworks from our backyard, which is very close to the Park.
What do you have planned, if I may ask?Brenda, you asked what I had planned.
Remember the Alamo!
I only said that because my son and his wife and their 6-month-old son are coming up from Texas. I've only seen him once.
Incidentally, his wife was born in Mexico and didn't begin to really learn English until she was 13. She spells words in her e-mails to me like pixelsweet does over on that "same sex is a sin" thread, which is why I offered that English may not be her first language.
Maybe I shouldn't mention the Alamo in view of my daughter-in-law's heritage.No matter what, I hope you have a great day and a great visit with your family.
All I know is that I don't let anyone or anything make me ignore the sacrifices of our soldiers or the perseverance of our ancestors as citizens in gaining and keeping our independence from tyranny, and I will never be ashamed of being an American, even if I am ashamed of some of the people who call themselves American leaders and patriots.
I will even agree with that to a point. However, in any case you certainly shouldn't slander him. Disrespecting the symbols of your country also disrespects your country.
- Brenda Durhamposted 11 years ago0
Boy, some people just don't want anyone else to have fun, especially, it seems, in celebrating Independence Day! Amazing!
- Brenda Durhamposted 11 years ago0
LET FREEDOM RING!
LET THE WHITE DOVE SING!
LET THE WHOLE WORLD KNOW THAT TODAY IS A DAY OF RECKONING....
oh....those last lines are from a country song I think.....
but applicable. - Brenda Durhamposted 11 years ago0
It just keeps raining here. This is the third day in a row, I think...........
Hope it doesn't rain out the 4th of July celebration on Thursday.
But hey, even if it does, remembrance of Independence Day is still on the table as always!! Yay! - Brenda Durhamposted 11 years ago0
Courtesy of the Red White and Blue!
http://youtu.be/ruNrdmjcNTcShyte sucks. Listen to "Gettysburg" instead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M155Er6PFz0
- Brenda Durhamposted 11 years ago0
Well, it's lookin' like it's not gonna rain today! Cool.
- Brenda Durhamposted 11 years ago0
Answer it for yourself, if you dare.
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/kappler/vol2/toc.htm
In addition to living freely on reservations (or elsewhere if they choose)........
Native Americans on reservations receive these benefits according to Wikipedia:
"As a special privilege the American Indians in reservations do not have to pay taxes of any income or trade made upon their tribal land and they (officially) receive free health care. This supportive measures are badly needed because many are on federal welfare and social benefits."Well that's nice of the colonialist take all the land and give them a little back to live on.
- Brenda Durhamposted 11 years ago0
The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
The 56 signatures on the Declaration appear in the positions indicated:
Column 1
Georgia:
Button Gwinnett
Lyman Hall
George Walton
Column 2
North Carolina:
William Hooper
Joseph Hewes
John Penn
South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge
Thomas Heyward, Jr.
Thomas Lynch, Jr.
Arthur Middleton
Column 3
Massachusetts:
John Hancock
Maryland:
Samuel Chase
William Paca
Thomas Stone
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia:
George Wythe
Richard Henry Lee
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Nelson, Jr.
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Carter Braxton
Column 4
Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris
Benjamin Rush
Benjamin Franklin
John Morton
George Clymer
James Smith
George Taylor
James Wilson
George Ross
Delaware:
Caesar Rodney
George Read
Thomas McKean
Column 5
New York:
William Floyd
Philip Livingston
Francis Lewis
Lewis Morris
New Jersey:
Richard Stockton
John Witherspoon
Francis Hopkinson
John Hart
Abraham Clark
Column 6
New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett
William Whipple
Massachusetts:
Samuel Adams
John Adams
Robert Treat Paine
Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins
William Ellery
Connecticut:
Roger Sherman
Samuel Huntington
William Williams
Oliver Wolcott
New Hampshire:
Matthew ThorntonDid any native American Indians sign it?
- Brenda Durhamposted 11 years ago0
I hope every patriotic American citizen had a good celebration yesterday, or will have this weekend!
I had a good time; went to the local Park here where there was food, fun, a live band, and some pretty good fireworks. The best part was when the band sang The Star Spangled Banner and everyone saluted the Flag of course.
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