Please help send a message about abuse in Fifty Shades of Grey.
Remember the passionate fighting between fans and anti-fans of the book-turned-movie, 'Fifty Shades of Grey'? Well, 'Fifty Shades Darker' is now being filmed - and there is still one more movie after this, 'Fifty Shades Freed'.
The problem with these books is that they ARE written harmfully and erroneously - in a very dangerous way. Most fans can't see how/why because 1) they are already obsessed and don't want to hear it; and 2) most fans knowledge about abuse and how it happens is almost non-existent. (This would be a good thing if their lack of knowledge wasn't putting them in danger.)
I have written a hub that goes into the details about how 50 Shades was fanfiction inspired by The Twilight Saga - because of BOTH Stephenie Meyer's and EL James ignorance while writing these stories created this situation (along with their irresponsible publishers). And of course, since Twilight is over a decade old now - everyone thinks it is no big deal.
And yet, somehow we have three 50 Shades of Grey movies coming out because of them. I put the jist of where the abuse is at in 50 Shades in this image. Also, this is the link to the detailed hub: <snipped>
People who care about how prevelant and 'normalized' sexual abuse is in our society need to start action on this issue - because the only people who tap this article are Fifty Shades of Grey or Twilight fans; and of course, neither type of fan can read it because of their accidental over-obsession with these two series'.
Yeah, books can be 'professionally' published with real literary mistakes that cause over-obsessions. And people who care about the future of our young people NEED to at least get the message out about WHY/HOW this story is abusive - even if we can't stop the movies from coming out - so fans of these books & movies and SEE what they need to see to keep themselves safe.
Perhaps in this way, Fifty Shades of Grey can become a teaching tool. If you feel compelled to help get this message out - please pass the link around. And thank you very very much from those of us who DO have direct knowledge about abuse.No, this post isn't about banning. These books simply should not have been so negligently published - and now we have to deal with the ramifications of these 'professional' companies irresponsible actions.
However, I'm with you... Give me a big 'ol tough Alpha Male any day over an abuser like Mr. Grey. Heaven!
As fanfiction, the audience of Fifty Shades of Grey is essentially reading - in graphic detail - what EL James wanted Edward Cullen to be doing to Bella Swan in The Twilight Saga. Some women are mortified to hear that, and refuse to accept it - while others are like, "Yeah, so what?!"
The sparkling, intoxicating character of 'Bedward' Cullen had a particularly-intoxicating & perverted effect especially on older women, like EL James. This is what the controversy surrounding the amateur writing within The Twilight Saga was about way back then...
Erika wrote out what anti-Twilight fans were saying Twilight was REALLY about - and published it. But this time, instead of the abuse being hidden within obscure, mythological creatures - they are based (just as erroneously and even more harmfully) on a real human lifestyle.
If the very first chapter of the very first book of The Twilight Saga had been edited and published responsibly into the public: there would be no debate - nor would anyone be worried about niave fans accidentally being misled into physical danger; or having to endure worldwide misogynistic bullying over either series.
What's wrong with Twilight Chapter One: First Sight? http://misfitchick.blogspot.com/2013/09 … ter-1.html
This is hysterical - from a married guy's perspective who read Fifty Shades of Grey. I know a lot of men have read it for similar reasons that this guy has; and some even like it. But, what's not to like for them? SEX?!
http://time.com/3030375/dave-barry-50-shades-of-grey/
We girls can certainly understand how these books confuse men, no matter if we have problems with them or not, LoL! Lots of people make fun of all the silly 'inner goddess' references, for instance. But, confusing men about what women want out of sex? Yeah, totally believable, ha!
Now you are trying to drag politics into this - why? FOCUS!!
I am no longer going to respond to this argumentative stuff aside from cut & pastes that you should be reading/responding to if you can't handle the original request - because ONE more time: that ISN'T what this post was supposed to be about. You can all tell me that I'm crazy and stupid till the cows come home - and you would still be wrong because you refuse to educate yourself.
Not my problem. I'm just a messenger.
Ignorance is bliss; and knowledge is power - not consent.
The difference between Lolita and FSoG is that Lolita is an accurate portrayal of abusive behavior. It is 'in your face' blatant and obvious. You can read the book or watch the movie - knowing that, your choice. Does it help proliferate abuse? Maybe. But, this is the difference between 'normal' bad writing and 'professionally-negligent' bad writing - another article excerpt:
"When women make a big, cultural stink – we don’t just make an obvious, offensive one (like men) that makes a few conservatives mad. We break all the safety rules and INSIST that it’s BRILLIANT in the face of valid, logical and overwhelming evidence and worldwide opposition."
FSoG deceives fans by portraying an obviously-abusive character that has been forced into a BDSM storyline (in order to make it seem like he isn't really being abusive) that includes one hardcore setting after another - scenes that didn't even need to actually be in the story in order to tell the story - using a serious problem that is already WAY TOO NORMALIZED in our world.
There are REAL REASONS WHY these books are DIFFERENT than any other books that have EVER been published. Really.
What about the young man in the Chicago news story that none of you view as a big deal? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!! How many more situations like this may have happened?!!
I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything. All the gory deets here - <link snipped>
Thank you. The occassional person to agree with me helps alleviate frustration, LoL!
It is too long... that is why I've made the suggestions that I have. It could be a new meme every week that fans create and pass around, themselves - so that it would be more accepted.
Just one little 'corrective' idea can help you think in a safer direction - and shut the harmful hype down. I don't think it is such an absurd idea, at all.
- Bronwyn Joy Ellioposted 8 years ago
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Tell me again how it is a perfectly harmless story.How was Fifty Shades inspired by The Twilight Saga?
How are both series harmful because of the profound amateur writing mistakes that were not corrected by the 'professional' publishers before selling it to little girls?
Why are so many grown adults such haters and anti-fans?
Why do so many grown adults pass the deceptive misrepresentation of abuse within these stories off as if it is no big deal?
Why am I being judged for wanting to get the message about WHERE the abuse within Fifty Shades IS - out so that young girls can be knowledgable about this disturbing issue?
http://hubpages.com/literature/Why-is-T … as-a-Movie
- calculus-geometryposted 8 years ago0
I actually really like Dakota Johnson and think she has done a really good job with this movie. She's just like her mom - charming and a little goofy/ditzy at the same time, ha! Jamie Dornan has been nothing but a good sport - just like Robert Pattinson has been for Twilight Fans. They are definitely professionals.
One thing that DOES concern me about these next two movies being made... Sam quit and they got a MAN to finish these movies up. They did the same thing with Twilight. Both female directors had creative issues with the storylines and ended up not continuing with those projects because of it.
Many women KNOW what is wrong with this story. It isn't that we want it to go away - we just want to see it fixed because it IS a dangerous story for nieve women of all ages. You can't brush mistakes like this under the rug. But, you can learn from them.
Thank you for actually reading all the way through them. I could not - it only made me more incensed and I (really!) did not want to hate yet another fairytale.
Most people don't know that The Twilight Saga was under fire for the EXACT same reasons - especially in 2008 when the final book, Breaking Dawn, came out. But, before that time, too. People raged and carried on about the accidental over-obsessions and romanticized abuse within Twilight; and yet, somehow the story was allowed to be morphed into the equally-erroneous hardcore (XXX!) story of Fifty Shades of Grey.
Fifty Shades of Grey is the ACTUAL story of The Twilight Saga - although since Stephenie Meyer wasn't as interested in Vampires as her audience was; HER sexual fantasy that she left glaring throughout the pages of Twilight was probably a LOT more tame than her fans who were previously familiar with them.
The Twilight Saga was barely edited and significantly ALTERED to be aimed at Young Adult audiences who weren't supposed to know any better about Vampires. Young girls became over-obsessed because of the negligent / barely-existing editing. Then, they took it home to their moms to become MORE obsessed - simply because they knew more about Vampires than Steph and her young fans did.
And then, WOOT - Fifty Shades of Grey. Neat.
Rude and uncalled for. You started the thread, but you don't like it when someone expresses a different, and valid, opinion. So you insult them and try to shout them down. Do you realise that your response says a lot more about you than you would like? Talk about controlling
If you are genuinely worried about youngsters being groomed and manipulated by older men then have a look at this. Rotherham is in the UK, but I'm sure this is going on all over the world, perhaps in a city near you.
http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/proje … index.html
Maybe you can put all that rage to good use instead of just trying to stamp on FSoG and promote your own hub.
- ahorsebackposted 8 years ago0
Again... I was NOT trying to 'ban' or 'censor' anything. And, you obviously missed beginning comments from others that have been 'snipped'. Thanks for the editing, HP.
And AGAIN... For the life of me, I do NOT understand why people keep missing this - so I guess I will post this part again:
One of the concerning things about these movies being made is that the original female director and scriptwriter bowed out do to creative differences - and now men have been given the reigns. The same thing happened to The Twilight Saga - both original female directors had creative issues with the storylines; and both refused to tell the story like the ignorant amateur authors wanted it to be told.
I’m really sick of being lectured by clueless know-it-alls. This 'majority' is putting themselves and our daughters in danger. [1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape... 15% of sexual assault and rape victims are under age 12... Girls ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault. Source
I’m a bad person for caring about the minority?!! There are REASONS WHY these books are DIFFERENT than any other books that have EVER been published. Really. As long as you can’t handle the FACTS to be curious as to WHAT is actually wrong with them – you’ll be indirectly responsible for things like this: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca … story.html
Do you think that we would be hearing more about those situations IF they are happening? It is difficult for most women to report abuse or rape. How much more difficult would it be for them - with the failed lawsuit in the link above; on top of Fifty Shades of Grey protestors saying, "I told you so."
And what about the young man in the news story above? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!!
I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything, which is what so many of you keep accusing me of. That ISN’T what this message was originally ABOUT. Try actually reading it ALL THE WAY THROUGH before responding – then, you might not be as shrill about it. Gargantuan mistakes like this need to be LEARNED from. All the gory deets here - http://hub.me/afKNf
All I asked for in the beginning of this thread was for HELP getting a correction about the abuse in Fifty Shades of Grey out to fans because it IS important. I’m not going to apologize for that; and I will continue to have no respect for people who brush this stuff off without KNOWING what has ACTUALLY happened and WHY people (not just me) are concerned about it. As I have said, it DOES NOT have to be a big hate campaign; and people do not have to be sent back to my article. Most people like a reference on where things came from. If you don’t want to add it into your informative comments – then don’t.
And, if you don’t want to HELP, then don’t! Go ahead and think what you will about me. If you are someone who is ignorantly condoning these movies – especially as a woman over 30 - you can be sure that my opinion of you is MUCH lower. Most of you ladies out there are not crazy – you’re ignorant and/or ‘following the crowd’. You have no interest in educating yourself or anyone else who may need it. So no, expect NO respect at all from me for any of you who have taken this harmfully-stubborn stance about Fifty Shades of Grey.
- calculus-geometryposted 8 years ago0
"... they (these authors, EL James and Stephane Meyers,) make women writers look anything but good. WHY should we be taken seriously?!!"
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~How am I off-topic? I addressed a direct quote from your post!
No, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that these books portray a very unhealthy relationship. That's what most of us have been trying to say to you. You seem to be having trouble grasping the concept that people can still read the books and watch the movies knowing that they should not model their real life relationships after this one. It was published as erotic fiction, not a self-help relationship guidebook.
You came out of the gates swinging your fists at people who dared to challenge your opinion, so don't play it off like you were all sunshine and rainbows and people needlessly got tense with you.
I don't think you're crazy but you do seem incapable of having a rational discussion with anyone who disagrees with you on any given topic.You are off topic because you keep trying to turn the conversation into something to argue about - which, YEAH, is really frustrating me because there is NOTHING to argue about. This stuff has already been proven (again, NOT MY OPINION); and the 'abuse' within the story has been highlighted - and yet, Fifty Shades of Grey fans continue to declare that everything is fine with it DESPITE things like this image from young girls.
Again... we have NO IDEA how many women may have been affected by these books in negative ways because of the misinformation about abuse that it portrays to people who are clueless about the subject. Knowledge is power, not concent.
This stuff is not my 'opinion' - it is based in fact; which is why I wrote this hub - to inform people. Did you read this part:
I'm pretty sure that the reason why women continue to brush this story off is because most of them are NOT FAMILIAR with abuse - yet, and hopefully never. The fact that most people go through their lives without having one or multiple sexually abusive encounters would normally be a good thing. But, this 'majority' is putting themselves and our daughters in danger. [1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape... 15% of sexual assault and rape victims are under age 12... Girls ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault. Source]
Professionally-negligent publishing is something that can be PROVEN and has been proven in this case over and over again.
If this subject were a harmless 'opinion' thing - things would be different. But, it isn't. The divisions and arguments exist because of IGNORANCE - not opinion.
I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything: http://hub.me/afKNf
- calculus-geometryposted 8 years ago0
That is a very narrow-minded view from someone who refuses to even look at the piles of evidence. I am well aware of the difference between fiction and reality - and that is the problem. If you have no desire to help with my original message in here, then you shouldn't be here.
Do you understand that the Chicago Tribune story is a REAL thing that happened; and we have no idea how many others may be happening every day because of these books.
Lolita isn't putting young girls in the danger zone. That is a believable story about believable-type people. Fiction, in general, is USUALLY okay no matter how bad it is... These two series are an EXCEPTION for very concerning 'professionally-negligent' reasons.
Why do you keep ignoring this image? Why is it okay to you? KNOWLEDGE is power, not consent.
I really would not have a problem with people disagreeing with me - IF they actually knew what they were talking about. Again, you refuse to read the article and have judged it based on your repetitive, narrowminded acccusations.
The difference between Lolita and FSoG is that Lolita is an accurate portrayal of abusive behavior. It is 'in your face' blatant and obvious. You can read the book or watch the movie - knowing that, your choice. Does it help proliferate abuse? Maybe. But, this is the difference between 'normal' bad writing and 'dangerous' bad writing - another article excerpt:
"When women make a big, cultural stink – we don’t just make an obvious, offensive one (like men) that makes a few conservatives mad. We break all the safety rules and INSIST that it’s BRILLIANT in the face of valid, logical and overwhelming evidence and worldwide opposition."
FSoG deceives fans by portraying an obviously-abusive character that has been forced into a BDSM storyline (in order to make it seem like he isn't really being abusive) that includes one hardcore setting after another - scenes that didn't even need to actually be in the story in order to tell the story - using a serious problem that is already WAY TOO NORMALIZED in our world.
You completely missed the point about the Chicago Tribune article, as usual. I find it utterly amazing how you can tilt things around your passionate opinions about this subject. I just wish you would stop attempting to peg me when you don't even know me; OR the details behind these books being so negligently published.
Ignorance is bliss; and knowledge is power - not consent.
Here's the link again - the next HP person who edits this hub is going to have lots of fun.
http://hub.me/afKNf
Neither - the young boy got caught up in a fascinating emotional/psychologically fantasy.
Which sort of proves my point, thank you... There are MANY people in this world who EASILY sink into fictional obsessions. You may know some of these people, ha!
Toying with people's minds is uncool. This is where the abuse in Fifty Shades of Grey is - a cut & paste from the article:
Christian Grey is no more a 'dom' than Edward Cullen was a 'real-make-believe vampire' - and this is what makes the character of Christian Grey dangerous:
1) Christian confesses to Ana that he is into this kind of lifestyle (that she is not into - BDSM is very 'mutual') because he was emotionally disturbed as a child. Later, Ana apparently ‘cures’ him by somehow saving his soul from the grasp of it’s own dark evil. That RARELY happens in real life; and in fact, some women are killed trying to save their sick Mr. Grey’s - and sometimes those guys die in the process of women defending themselves.
2) Romantic rape IS coercive and manipulative at any age, really. This is how most sexual abuse STARTS; and it can easily-lead to violence and rape. Also, not all abuse is violent. In fact, non-violent, 'subtle' abuse often feels just as bad as the hard stuff - because abusers like to make victims feel that things are their fault. 'Romantic rape' is one of the most often used manipulative tools that sexual predators use to initiate abuse in both children and 'consenting' adults. But of course, FSOG also contains a violent rape scene - that has also been approved by vast audiences of women.
3) The most ‘harsh’ punishment a Dom/Domme can give out to (most) subs is to IGNORE or banish them – basically, they ‘withhold their power’ which can drive a sub to BEGGING! A Dominant wouldn’t rape or beat a submissive AS A RESPONSE when they get really (personally) mad at them.
Dominants don’t do that because ABUSE isn’t the right way to respond; AND because that ‘might’ be a reward for a sub (maybe they are acting the way they are towards you in order to GET that kind of a reaction out of you) - NOT the desired effect, at all. Yes, ‘rape’ or whatever can certainly be a huge part of your consensual roleplay.
Can you see the difference, now?
“According to Sir Bamm, a member of the board of directors of the Safe, Sane and Consensual Network of North Carolina, a scene between respectful partners is a controlled environment. Abuse is an out-of-control situation in which the dominant partner's desires are inflicted on the submissive partner against her will.”
- calculus-geometryposted 8 years ago0
My apologies, I missed this. I must have been arguing with someone about something stupid. Thanks for reading it, I know its long. As far as being disorganized, no - just too long because it combines two different stories that happened to be too-connected to separate.
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Out of morbid curiosity I did read your article that you keep spamming. It's hard to follow because you have a very disorganized thought process, but if I had to summarize it, it's basically
(1) You were are an adult woman who (as an adult) became obsessed with Twilight. (As many other older women, like EL James, did. In my case AND many others, it was an INVOLUNTARY 'obsession' that was too DEEP because of the shallow character writing and NON-editing that made characters too personal and sometimes too intimate for each individual. NO, not every single person became overly-obsessed or even obsessed with it, at all.)
(2) You blame the author for it because you believe the books are written in a way that makes obsession unavoidable. (I indirectly blame the amateur author - her publishers damn well KNEW how to publish a book correctly and didn't do it.)
(3) You got over your obsession, but are still mad at the author. (I'm still mad at the author because of all the over-obsessions that continue with it - and the misogynistic bullying from the WORLD that still continues toward twilight fans; and continues with FSoG fans.)
(4) You are mad at the author of Twilight for having inspired another hack writer to pen 50 Shades of Gray. (VERY mad about this point for the reasons I stated in the beginning of the article.)
(5) You are mad at the author of 50 Shades because she twisted the story of Twilight into something sexual and abusive because the original Twilight story was too chaste for adult fans and needed to be sexed up. (No, it was already plenty 'sexed up'; which is why Fifty Shades came out of it. Stephenie Meyer simply had to REMOVE all her nasty writing before it was published for little girls - and the BLANKS is what created things like Christian Grey.)
(6) You blame the author of 50 Shades and Twilight for inspiring abusive relationships and obsessions. (I blame her publishers for Stephenie Meyer's accidental literary dysfunctions that caused all this ridiculous chaos.)
I probably got half of it wrong and you are going to call me ignorant again, LOL. This all sounds like something you should talk to a therapist about, to be frank.
Yes, I am well-aware of your opinion of my head. Knock it off.
Now back to the beginning!!
The hate-hype changing idea that also has the potential to keep niave FSoG fans safer:
Fans spread the message about the abuse in Fifty Shades and pass it around. This could be done in a concerted, humorous way (imagine a few smart but funny memes randomly being tossed around). Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect fans and STOP the misogyinistic bullying across the globe (and possibly bring good publicity into the mix).
There are lots of articles on the subject out there - it shouldn't be too hard for you to find the things that need to be said and heard. I have an example in my spotlight article and there are other resources.
The only tip I have - is make sure that every graphic has a clear indicator that it is a fan-generated thing; and not more hater-hype. A website (or page like on a fansite) could be enough of an indicator - plus give the information a source so that fans get credit for it.
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For instance, imagine a 'meme' - a scene from the 1st movie that perhaps demonstrates a splash of text in an 'overexaggerated' way.
I'm not familiar enough with 50 Shades to think of a SPECIFIC one - but, for example: Perhaps there is a scene where Mr. Grey is coming at Ana with a pain-inflicting implement and she has a funny, 'extra-terrifed' look on her face.
The caption could read, "If you're not turned on by your lover walking towards you with a bull whip - he might be an abuser."
That could even be 'the theme' for this meme campaign "he might be an abuser" - along the same lines of 'you might be a redneck if..."
A new one could come out every week or month - heck, a fansite could have a contest and choose the winners.
The entire world would breathe a sigh of relief over this issue.
We learned from one of Misfit Chick's posts regarding sexual predators:
1."Romantic rape is subtle, coercive and manipulative and used on both children and consenting adults. Most sexual abuse starts in a non-violent way and then escalates to an out-of-control situation in which the dominant partner's desires are inflicted on the submissive partner against their will.
2. Abusers blame their victims to manipulate them.
3. "The most ‘harsh’ punishment a Dom/Domme can give out to (most) Subs is to ignore or banish them – basically, they ‘withhold their power’ which can drive a sub to begging!"
4. Dominants don't rape or beat Submissives when they are upset with them "because abuse isn’t the right way to respond and because that ‘might’ be a reward for a sub (maybe they are acting the way they are towards you in order to get that kind of a reaction out of you) - not the desired effect, at all."
5. ‘Rape can be a "huge part of consensual role play."
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Oh the games people play!
Thank you, M. Chick!
To bring this issue to conscious light is very revealing
and in the end, helpful to avoid such escapades with ANYONE, ever!If you really think that fact that YOU have been abused - and can still handle this story - makes things okay, you're wrong. Why the fluck do you think *I* am up here? I just made all this up, right? As an adult, it simply makes you a condoner and an enabler like every other adult who brushes this series off.
I am no longer going to respond to this argumentative stuff aside from cut & pastes that you should be reading/responding to if you can't handle the original request - because ONE more time: that ISN'T what this post was supposed to be about. You can all tell me that I'm crazy and stupid till the cows come home - and you would still be wrong because you refuse to educate yourself.
Not my problem. I'm just a messenger.
Ignorance is bliss; and knowledge is power - not consent.
The difference between Lolita and FSoG is that Lolita is an accurate portrayal of abusive behavior. It is 'in your face' blatant and obvious. You can read the book or watch the movie - knowing that, your choice. Does it help proliferate abuse? Maybe. But, this is the difference between 'normal' bad writing and 'professionally-negligent' bad writing - another article excerpt:
"When women make a big, cultural stink – we don’t just make an obvious, offensive one (like men) that makes a few conservatives mad. We break all the safety rules and INSIST that it’s BRILLIANT in the face of valid, logical and overwhelming evidence and worldwide opposition."
FSoG deceives fans by portraying an obviously-abusive character that has been forced into a BDSM storyline (in order to make it seem like he isn't really being abusive) that includes one hardcore setting after another - scenes that didn't even need to actually be in the story in order to tell the story - using a serious problem that is already WAY TOO NORMALIZED in our world.
There are REAL REASONS WHY these books are DIFFERENT than any other books that have EVER been published. Really.
What about the young man in the Chicago news story that none of you view as a big deal? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!! How many more situations like this may have happened?!!
I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything. All the gory deets here - http://hub.me/afKNf
I keep repeating this stuff so that the reason why this post is here stays on top and doesn't get sidetracked. I don't care about 'sins'; and this article has nothing to do with that - beyond a couple of incredibly ignorant & selfish amateur authors and their 'professional' publishers committing blatant non-crimes against humanity, LoL!
I am no longer going to respond to this argumentative stuff aside from cut & pastes that you should be reading/responding to if you can't handle the original request - because ONE more time: that ISN'T what this post was supposed to be about. You can all tell me that I'm crazy and stupid till the cows come home - and you would still be wrong because you refuse to educate yourself.
Not my problem. I'm just a messenger.
Ignorance is bliss; and knowledge is power - not consent.
The difference between Lolita and FSoG is that Lolita is an accurate portrayal of abusive behavior. It is 'in your face' blatant and obvious. You can read the book or watch the movie - knowing that, your choice. Does it help proliferate abuse? Maybe. But, this is the difference between 'normal' bad writing and 'professionally-negligent' bad writing - another article excerpt:
"When women make a big, cultural stink – we don’t just make an obvious, offensive one (like men) that makes a few conservatives mad. We break all the safety rules and INSIST that it’s BRILLIANT in the face of valid, logical and overwhelming evidence and worldwide opposition."
FSoG deceives fans by portraying an obviously-abusive character that has been forced into a BDSM storyline (in order to make it seem like he isn't really being abusive) that includes one hardcore setting after another - scenes that didn't even need to actually be in the story in order to tell the story - using a serious problem that is already WAY TOO NORMALIZED in our world.
There are REAL REASONS WHY these books are DIFFERENT than any other books that have EVER been published. Really.
What about the young man in the Chicago news story that none of you view as a big deal? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!! How many more situations like this may have happened?!!
I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything. All the gory deets here - http://hub.me/afKNfHow the heck is it mental terrorism? Don't read/follow it. It isn't my fault that you aren't 'getting' this stuff. I think I've said over and over again that the article needs to be read to understand 'what has happened' with the professionally-negligent publishing in both Twilight and Fifty Shades.
Not my problem. I'm just a messenger.
I will say one good thing about these movies... I like the leads and the way they are generally handling things. Dakota Johnson has a quirky sparkle just like her mom, and I just love that girl!! (Did you see her on SNL? Hysterical!) However, I really do wish that they would stop proliferating the 'consent is everything' part - other than that, they are both doing great; and woohoo on another new Jamie baby.
Ignorance is bliss; and knowledge is power - not consent.
The difference between Lolita and FSoG is that Lolita is an accurate portrayal of abusive behavior. It is 'in your face' blatant and obvious. You can read the book or watch the movie - knowing that, your choice. Does it help proliferate abuse? Maybe. But, this is the difference between 'normal' bad writing and 'professionally-negligent' bad writing - another article excerpt:
"When women make a big, cultural stink – we don’t just make an obvious, offensive one (like men) that makes a few conservatives mad. We break all the safety rules and INSIST that it’s BRILLIANT in the face of valid, logical and overwhelming evidence and worldwide opposition."
FSoG deceives fans by portraying an obviously-abusive character that has been forced into a BDSM storyline (in order to make it seem like he isn't really being abusive) that includes one hardcore setting after another - scenes that didn't even need to actually be in the story in order to tell the story - using a serious problem that is already WAY TOO NORMALIZED in our world.
There are REAL REASONS WHY these books are DIFFERENT than any other books that have EVER been published. Really.
What about the young man in the Chicago news story that none of you view as a big deal? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!! How many more situations like this may have happened?!!
I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything. All the gory deets here - http://hub.me/afKNf
I'm a party pooper messenger.
I am no longer going to respond to this argumentative stuff aside from cut & pastes that you should be reading/responding to if you can't handle the original request - because ONE more time: that ISN'T what this post was supposed to be about. You can all tell me that I'm crazy and stupid till the cows come home - and you would still be wrong because you refuse to educate yourself.
Not my problem. I'm just a messenger.
Ignorance is bliss; and knowledge is power - not consent.
The difference between Lolita and FSoG is that Lolita is an accurate portrayal of abusive behavior. It is 'in your face' blatant and obvious. You can read the book or watch the movie - knowing that, your choice. Does it help proliferate abuse? Maybe. But, this is the difference between 'normal' bad writing and 'professionally-negligent' bad writing - another article excerpt:
"When women make a big, cultural stink – we don’t just make an obvious, offensive one (like men) that makes a few conservatives mad. We break all the safety rules and INSIST that it’s BRILLIANT in the face of valid, logical and overwhelming evidence and worldwide opposition."
FSoG deceives fans by portraying an obviously-abusive character that has been forced into a BDSM storyline (in order to make it seem like he isn't really being abusive) that includes one hardcore setting after another - scenes that didn't even need to actually be in the story in order to tell the story - using a serious problem that is already WAY TOO NORMALIZED in our world.
There are REAL REASONS WHY these books are DIFFERENT than any other books that have EVER been published. Really.
What about the young man in the Chicago news story that none of you view as a big deal? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!! How many more situations like this may have happened?!!
I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything. All the gory deets here - <link snipped>
Wow, you’re quite the ingenious sleuth, aren’t you? Instead of simply taking the time to read the actual article - you found three social media accounts; and you would have found a Facebook account if your search would have been more thorough (FB: “A Different Twilight”).
You did NOT find a dozen accounts. No need to worry about sharing my name – I don’t use either my real first or last name in any of my online accounts at all. I’m not stupid. I started writing about this subject in 2011 with Twilight Fans; and we all know how passionately-crazy some of those girls are, LoL! Fifty Shades of Grey fans are no different for the same reasons.
In fact, I recently had a comment at the bottom of one of my blogs from a Fifty Shades of Grey fan who has also possibly been a Twilight Fan – since she was in my blog reading about ‘how to get over a twilight obsession’. This is what she wrote: “You should do one on how Jamie Dornan fans treat and hate on Dakota Johnson.”
My response: “I hadn't noticed much bullying of Dakota - *I* LOVE that girl, LoL! But, it stands to reason that if she is basically playing 'Bella's old role' - she is going to be hated for the same ridiculous reasons. That isn't an excuse - we just have to hope that people realize their 'craziness' and snap out of it sooner rather than later.”
You completely wasted your time, I don’t HIDE anything from people in my spotlight article about this stuff – I tell you the whole story and even include one of my original videos as semi-proof of Erika’s dysfunctional obsession that was ‘accidentally-inspired’ by Twilight (which was recorded before I had even heard of 50 Shades of Grey). You can’t unwatch or unread something – or reclaim wasted time. *My* obsession (along with the obsession of many many former Twilight fans) is HOW WE KNOW how Erika’s obsession developed and progressed (no, I am not the only person who is well-aware of this information).
I also talk about the petition – the one you found is very old (I thought it was gone). I actually had TWO petitions – that 50% one is older than the revamped 25% ‘demand’; and it had a lot more signatures. The petition was for Stephenie Meyer’s publishers & producers to put 25% of their profits toward writing educations for young adults as a repercussion for their irresponsible, professionally-negligent publishing and movies that somehow were allowed to morph into these ridiculous over-obsessions (again, before I had heard of Fifty Shades; although I learned about it shortly after I put the petition up – and laughed hysterically about it, at first – until it wasn’t funny, anymore).
The petition came down immediately in July 2012 when Kristen Stewart’s cheating scandal started. In fact, a LOT of ‘anti-twilight’ stuff came down when that happened because some (not all) anti-twilight fans felt really sorry for all the painful misogynistic bullying Twilight’s obsessed movie fangirlz were going through. The world got pretty mean to them – as it was before and still is. It will not change with 50 Shades fans, either - unless fans take the initiative to change it.
NEWSFLASH: Those two petitions were not the first petitions against The Twilight Saga for the same reasons. I simply came into this argument late, in 2010. When Breaking Dawn was published in 2008, there were more of them and people were MAD. Maybe you weren’t around or paying attention at that time. Many people came into The Twilight Saga after the movies started and are completely clueless about the volatile history of Twilight.
I was also ‘a clueless Twilight movie fan’ at one point in time - but, I’m here now to remind everyone.
This is not a subject that I will drop until something changes surrounding it for the very good reasons I have stated in so many ways. Why? Because its all so wrong. Yeah, worldwide bullying and leaving clueless fans to believe what they believe about these books without informing them of the truth is wrong.
I’m an Aries… stop arguing with me. Either help or get out of the way.
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Admittedly, my example is not short or simple - and it makes too many points in one long ramble. It is dern near impossible for me to be brief, maybe you've noticed.
I just bumped that image in the article up (4th from the top) so that readers don't have to scroll down too far for it - or read much of any of it if they don't want to. I'm silly enough to believe that this could become a FUNNY thing; and I really hope fans can turn it into that. I look forward to seeing what (if anything) happens.My warnings are 'waffly' because the details of my explanation is in the spotlight article - not here. I have had to bring too much stuff into here so that people could get a taste of the issue - but clueless people like you continue to accuse me of bs instead of actually reading it. (definition of clueless: having no knowledge, understanding, or ability - it isn't an insult) For one thing, many fans who read these books were not old enough when they originally read them WHILE coming off reading Twilight's professionally-negligent bad writing. This isn't about Freedom of Speech, as I have said over and over again. It is about RARE professionally-negligent publishing.
I know, the description and title of this question is so unclear: “Please help send a message about abuse in Fifty Shades of Grey”.
If you had read my spotlight article on this subject, you would have seen this included with an image: “Fifty Shades of Grey abuse in a nutshell. If fans informed other fans themselves, how might the Darker & Freed hype be different?”
And the caption reads: “pass around - or create your own variation, add or delete what you don't like - just to help make FSoG fans a little safer. It does not have to be a hate campaign; and this article does not need to be referenced”. I even give an additional ‘source’ to get information if readers don’t like what I have come up with.
It doesn't have to be a bunch of hate-hype - like you know what is coming with the Darker and Freed movies. It could even be done by fans in a 'humorous' or fun way. Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect naive fans and STOP the bullying.
My apologies if you are offended by my ‘rude and insulting’ assumptions. I’m sure the fact that so many inaccurate assumptions have been made about me has not contributed to reciprocal accusations, at all. I’ve been told all kind of things about myself from people who refuse to inform themselves about something they choose to believe doesn’t exist. Unfortunately, that doesn’t mean that this situation didn’t happen and doesn’t actually exist. I try not to get angry with people about their ignorance; but that is damn near impossible when confronted with people who see me as attacking ‘free speech’ or the freedom of the imagination to create – when NOTHING could be further from the truth. *I* am a celebrator of the creative process.
If you read the article, you would have seen – AGAIN – that I am on the side of ANY kind of ‘obsessed’ fans:
“Anything is 'Okay' in fiction (which is why people originally brushed Twilight's literary errors off) - but, when it results in harmful blockbuster fanfiction like Fifty Shades of Grey that literally has the potential to put misinformed fans in physical danger; and causes MORE worldwide misogynistic bullying against female fans - on TOP of the worldwide, misogynistic bullying of Twilight Fans and HUMAN celebrities that has gone on for so long - uncool. It ALL needs to stop, now.”
I’m tired of being judged when – AGAIN AGAIN – I am not the only person with this opinion. In fact, others have gone into far more depth to demonstrate the abusive offenses of these books using direct quotes from them. I did not feel a need to do that since I could see how the abuse developed via ‘accidental-inspiration’ from The Twilight Saga: which is why Stephenie Meyer’s dysfunctional, amateur writing used to be under the exact same scrutiny as Erika’s has been. Erika’s writing is simply proof of the dangers in Steph’s writing that people used to talk about.
The very FACT that all of this can be – and has been PROVEN over and over again about such a controversial topic – is of interest to many people. If it isn’t to you for whatever reason – AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN – please move on if this subject is not a concern of your’s.
That isn’t meant to be either mean or rude – it is meant to open up this conversation between people who actually care about it. But, when it is clogged up with ignorance on top of ignorance - that is so uncool. Don’t stay if you don’t like it in here.
Yes, I have attempted to do this - however, every dang time I try, the message becomes blurred by these people who insist on pegging me as anti-free-speech or limiting creativity - which is BS!
Here is the short response again:
Create your own wonky little warning about the abuse in Fifty Shades and have fans help pass it around. This could be done in a concerted, humorous way (imagine a few smart but funny memes randomly being tossed around). Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect naive fans and STOP the bullying.
If you read my spotlight article on this subject, you would see this included with a text image (not this 'pink' image): “Fifty Shades of Grey abuse in a nutshell. If fans informed other fans themselves, how might the Darker & Freed hype be different?"
And the caption reads: “pass around - or create your own variation, add or delete what you don't like - just to help make FSoG fans a little safer. It does not have to be a hate campaign; and this article does not need to be referenced”.
I even give an additional ‘source’ to get information if readers don’t like what I have come up with.
The ONLY REASON WHY you might want to take a look into my article is to see the example that I have made (since Q&A doesn't enlarge thumbnails you can't read it from in here). I moved it up toward the top - 4th capsule down - so peeps don't have to read the whole long hub.
Done.That is because the topic is much more complex than most people are aware of.
Here is the short response again:
Create your own wonky little warning about the abuse in Fifty Shades and have fans help pass it around. This could be done in a concerted, humorous way (imagine a few smart but funny memes randomly being tossed around). Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect naive fans and STOP the bullying.
If you read my spotlight article on this subject, you would see this included with a text image (not this 'pink' image): “Fifty Shades of Grey abuse in a nutshell. If fans informed other fans themselves, how might the Darker & Freed hype be different?"
And the caption reads: “pass around - or create your own variation, add or delete what you don't like - just to help make FSoG fans a little safer. It does not have to be a hate campaign; and this article does not need to be referenced”.
I even give an additional ‘source’ to get information if readers don’t like what I have come up with.
The ONLY REASON WHY you might want to take a look into my article is to see the example that I have made (since Q&A doesn't enlarge thumbnails you can't read it from in here). I moved it up toward the top - 4th capsule down - so peeps don't have to read the whole long hub.
Done.
- calculus-geometryposted 8 years ago0
ok i made one. probably not what you had in mind.
if you are interested in obsessed fans, here is the original
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … -back.htmlFor instance, this is a good example of a 'meme' - look it up, the web is notorious for these things.
Imagine a scene from the 1st movie that perhaps demonstrates a splash of text in an 'overexaggerated' way.
I'm not familiar enough with 50 Shades to think of a good one - but, for example: Perhaps there is a scene where Mr. Grey is coming at Ana with a pain-inflicting implement and she has a funny, 'extra-terrifed' look on her face.
The caption could read, "If you're not turned on by your lover walking towards you with a bull whip - he might be an abuser."
That could even be 'the theme' for this meme campaign "he might be an abuser" - along the same lines of 'you might be a redneck if..."
A new one could come out every week or month - heck, a fansite could have a contest and choose the winners.
It could be really cool.Maybe you all think I'm just a crazy misfit chick... But, if there is one thing I know... When life throws you something stupid; and playing by the rules becomes intolerable, you change the damn rules.
Maybe I'm crazy. Maybe I'm not. Maybe I'm one of fifty shades of grey in between.Getting personal again? How delightful. Just because you don't like my suggestions of how people can help themselves? It's commonly known as self-empowerment.
I wasn't telling *you* to get a life, though it might apply, I don't know
#tatring
- calculus-geometryposted 8 years ago0
I know, I was flustered and grabbed the wrong one - it is corrected in later posts that for some reason keep continuing. Thanks for keeping this on the front page of HP.
here is the corrected one again: http://misfitchick.blogspot.com/2013/09 … ter-1.html
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