When We Know It All

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   TLMinutposted 14 years ago

   I thought of this this morning: What would it be like in the future, way in the future I'd say, as the human race realizes we have discovered and learned all that there is? I imagined the dawning realization on people that THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO KNOW. Sounds like a horror novel. No more research, no more curiosity, no more questions...
   
   Then I wondered what society and culture would be like. To what extent would this knowledge of everything reach? If we know the exact results of every action, would we tend to do altruistic acts? Or take advantage of every situation even to the detriment of everyone else? Would knowledge affect human interactions? Wouldn't there still be misinterpretations? Even though all things were known, couldn't it still be that not all things are known to each person - even now, certain knowledge is available but not intellectually (sometimes financially) accessible to all.
   
   It struck me as a horrible thing to happen in some ways, funny too though, as the realization sweeps through humanity that there's nothing left to wonder about.

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      mega1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      If that happened I would personally do something so very very weird that all the scientists would have to investigate, and in the process  of their investigations "human error" would occur, thereby starting the whole lovely ball of wax over again!  So, not to worry, its all taken care of!

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      Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      yes...What If?   

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      LegendaryHeroposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Doesn't matter, the human race will be dead by then.

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   Rochelle Frankposted 14 years ago

   Interesting question. We all want magic and wonder , and to experience the emotion of awe. 
   I am a pretty practical common-senseical person, not given to many flights of fancy, but if we never had anything left to imagine, and we truly knew it all...
   Maybe we would have to create a new world and populate it with people who had free-will, just to see what might happen.

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      Lisa HWposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I'd think we might actually see magic, awe, and wonder in some of the things that we knew about it; and I think we'd also find ways to create magic and wonder separate from the "nitty-gritty" of life.
      
      If it were possible for us to know absolutely everything there was/could ever be/ to know - I pretty much think the world would be a dramatically better place; because so many of the negative things that go on are the result of people not knowing any better.

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      Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      

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   china manposted 14 years ago

   I think you overestimate human beings and underestimate the size and complexity of the universe.  But this is exactly what is happening now - not that we know everything (we haven't even started really) but that there is nowhere else NEW to go.  No more continents to explore, the planets around us are not inhabitable and the other worlds that may be out there are so far away that it is not possible to get there in a lifetime.  So imagination has reached the stop sign and started to look back in on itself, this is maybe the real reason for the 2012 end of the world belief. Philosophy talks about being at the edge of the 'chasm', from here we have to fly and enjoy the terror and freedom of being above nothing - or turn back to the safety of the past. This is the choice between accepting that there are no morals, no good or bad and that everything is subjective - and - turning back to the apparent safety of redundant religion, faulty morals, and subjectively deciding what is good and bad but calling it objective. 
   
   This is the same or opposite to 'nothing left to know' - it means we do not know anything and must start new to go forward.

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      Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I think this is far from true, though many people may believe it to be true. 
      The oceans have barely been explored, the human genome is supposedly completely identified, but there is still a lot to be learned.
      And no one understands politicians.

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         china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         There are plenty of areas to explore knowledge - but nowhere to physically expand to, no more 'out there' to keep the future physically open ended.  So we look inward.  Except politicians of course they only look into the mirror.

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   TLMinutposted 14 years ago

   QUOTE: this is exactly what is happening now...there is nowhere else NEW to go.
    
   Sad, isn't it? We can bring up a mental picture of everywhere already.
   
   QUOTE:
   ...this is maybe the real reason for the 2012 end of the world belief.
   
   I had never thought of that point, quite plausible IMO.
   
   I love all these thoughts everyone has. I was boringly imagining that people would become addicted to games of chance simply to have something unexpected happen but mega1's idea is WAY better! Lisa's first paragraph is beautiful and so hopeful; Rochelle's (tongue-in-cheek?) idea of creating a new world is funny and we probably WOULD create anew. Knowledge of all things doesn't preclude creation, does it? Nice.

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      Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      If we know everything-- wouldn't we know how to create everything? and how to think of all possible variations? (which would mean that we didn't know everything?)
      
      I can remember hearing someone say back in the 50's or 60's that everything had already been invented (cars, ships, airplanes etc.) so there was nothing more to invent. To me this signified a severe deficit of imagination. Which has since been proved.

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   TLMinutposted 14 years ago

   Yes, Rochelle, that's what struck me about the whole idea - knowing that we've said that in the past (we know it all, we've done it all), in this mythical future we'd be expecting the same again, that a new idea would occur. That's why I wouldn't write this as a book, I can't imagine how we would finally know that we know all things, but that's the whole premise, people KNOW that we know all.
   
   I kept imagining people having discussions, trying to bring up something new, but it never was and people started realizing it was the end of new.

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      Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      That's why I surmised that we would create a new world with the idea of free will creatures who would add an element of "chance" we would be god if we were all-knowing.

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         Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         wow! love that. Because that is what is happening.
         being mini-gods, because full omnipotence- imo- cannot be contained in a collected space (body/brain) and not so much a different planet, but this one.
         
         Possibly that the humans on this planet will reach the 'mis en plac' of consciousness and return to that stasis of (pardon the theistic injection) little Elohim's.

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   Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago

   If we know everything-- wouldn't we know how to create everything? and how to think of all possible variations? (which would mean that we didn't know everything?)
   
   
   You said a mouthful.
   It is not beyond belief to consider we did know everything we needed to, given the vast amount of information we already have. The many variations/expressions of that information seems to keep us in this rough-n-tumble consciousness.
   
   This is what I believe was the adamic conception.
   Full knowledge 'uploaded' into humans -all humans being equal, as any other species (ants equal to ants, etc). Thus, by this concept, humans did not need to know, but were now able to create.
   
   Was this our original purpose?
   Could this be the entire point of the Grace notion?
   Is this indulgence of consciousness -the matrix- stasis limiting humans?
   
   This seems to be a hot topic this week on hub forums from consciousness to seed and cell mitosis consciousness. Oddly, this is the basis for my book -quantus philo, how great free will. Which takes on consciousness, the Ism and the adamic concept.

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   Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago

   Some people on this forum already know it all...ask Brenda...

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      Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe she does-- I'm a long way behind the lead pack.
      Will you run with me?
      Maybe you are. I just noticed we have the same number at this moment.

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         Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Sure, I'm up for learning something new every day.

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            Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            You are in the right place.

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