What do you think about Hillary Clinton proposing a law making it much easier fo

1. 84

   gmwilliamsposted 9 years ago

   What do you think about Hillary Clinton proposing a law making it much easier for undocumented
   
   immigrants to become American citizens?
   
   

   replyreport
2. 57

   feenixposted 9 years ago

   The one and only reason -- I repeat, the one and only reason -- why the likes of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are out to provide illegal aliens with a quick path to citizenship is to significantly increase the number of Democratic voters.
   
   As far as those two are concerned, it is the Democratic Party first and the wellbeing of the US dead last.

   replyreport
   1. 87

      Zelkiiroposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah! Only the Native Americans should be considered citizens, and all those Europeans can shove it!
      
      Oh, wait. Yeahhh...we kinda killed them all off and stole the country for ourselves. Boy, that sure is embarrassing.

      replyreport
   2. 57

      feenixposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Even though I am not a "Native American," I am an American citizen, and that is indisputable. In fact, because of the contributions I have made to this country, I am "more American" than many "Native Americans" ever will be.

      replyreport
   3. 66

      tsadjatkoposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      So I guess you are telling yourself to shove it Z? You really hate your own ancestors that much? "we kinda killed them all off and stole the country for ourselves." Sounds like self loathing to me, maybe that's the root of your problem.

      replyreport
3. 0

   Old Poolmanposted 9 years ago

   First off, I agree with feenix that the first objective of any immigration program is to increase voters for the Democratic Party.
   
   But I have very mixed emotions when it comes to illegal immigrants.  In my area, and any area with farming and ranching, there are hundreds of jobs available during the harvest but no takers from our own citizens.  Many starving illegals risk their lives to sneak into this country to fill those jobs.  We used to have a workable "Bracero" program where those from other countries could enter the country legally to fill temporary positions, but of course it was shut down.
   
   It is our relatively easy to get Entitlement programs that stop our own citizens from taking these jobs.  They get enough to live on with government handouts so why go do hard manual labor even if they could make more money.
   
   I personally know fruit growers who could not get their crops picked without the illegals taking these jobs.  The illegals get paid "piecework" and some make really good money during the harvest season.  Most of them have no desire to stay here, they just want to earn some money and go home.
   
   I do resent those who come here illegally and find a way to get on our Entitlement Train shortly after their arrival.  But we can blame our own government for this more than we blame the illegals.
   
   If the politicians would get the hell out of the way it would not be that difficult to setup a guest worker program that could be easily monitored.  This would allow the growers to get the help they need without breaking the law by hiring illegals, and the workers could enter and exit the country legally without citizenship papers.
   
   The only reason we have such a large illegal immigration problem is because our own government refuses to do anything about it.  It would not take a group of geniuses to devise a workable plan that would eliminate many of the problems.
   
   But meanwhile our Politicians use immigration  as bait to lure voters to their party.  They could actually care less about the fate of those who want to become citizens the legal way.
   
   And that is my rant for today.

   replyreport
   1. 66

      tsadjatkoposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      The reason they come here illegally is that they can't get in legally.A smart rep.president with a rep.congress could get all their votes.Close the borders,make everyone waiting to get in legally citizens,then grant all illegals citizenship.

      replyreport
4. 78

   junksellerposted 9 years ago

   Funny how treating people like human beings tends to convince them to support you, whereas, treating them like invading animals tends to convince them not to support you.
   
   One can be cynical about it and suggest that there is no altruistic motivation to such policies but it is irrelevant. The policy treats them like humans regardless of the motivation.
   
   I agree with treating them like humans. I also support the fact that she at least has a legitimate plan, which is more than the Republicans can say.
   
   As for her policy, it is hard to say. A "pathway to citizenship" is a really vague phrase that can mean widely different things. To me, nothing she has said can be construed as making things "much easier". Even the more liberal pathways to citizenship aren't walks in the park.
   
   I think the spirit of her sentiment is in the right direction, but it wouldn't personally be my plan. It goes nowhere near far enough.

   replyreport
   1. 57

      feenixposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      All I know is, a considerable number of the young Mexicans and Central Americans who are entering the US illegally are vehemently anti-black, such as the members of MS-13 (a Central American gang).

      replyreport
5. 66

   tsadjatkoposted 9 years ago

   
   
   Whuffo' is ev'ryone pickin' on Granny Hiliary? No one unnerstan's th' plight of illegals like she does!
   
   She was daid busted: http://weaselzippers.us/189180-dead-bro … -pardoned/  when she an' B.J. lef' th' white house (no doubt on account o' they were fo'ced t'return o' pay fo' 190,000 in gif's th' couple had origeenally sought t'leave wif?)
   
   Fo' hevvin sake, B. J. was jest interviewed t'other day about makin' his $100,000,000 fum speeches on over th' past years after he lef' th' White House an' when axed eff'n he's still a-gonna charge $500,000 a speech he indicated hell yeah, he has t'pay th' bills! They still ain't gotten out fum unner, fum bein' busted when they lef' th' White House ah guess!
   
   But lissen hyar now. When it comes t'undocoomnted immigrants, yo' know, fine they call them illegals fo' a reason, fine hell's bell's ain't no one knows mo'e 'bout illegalities than Hiliary Clinton! Fry mah hide! Jest look at all them illegalities she been committin' gwine way back t'th' Watergate investigashun. An' now we is gittin' a noo one jest about ev'ry week. Shet mah mouth! An' Hiliary's told us 'bout how she an' her dotter was lucky t'live through their helicopper lan'in' in Bosnia when th' snipers tried t'massacre them, dawgone it. They even got it on tape: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHVEDq6RVXc How mo'e patriotic an' truthful kin a Clinton be, rihideg her own dotter's life like thet fo' a hoominitarian misshun?
   
   Whuffo' make it easier fo' undocoomnted Immigrants t'git citizenship? How else is Hiliary supposed t'ovahcome th' vast right win' cornspiracy? Golly. Give her a bust, whut does yer hankerin' t'do make her cry? Th' Clinton's haf had it so hard, who else kin relate t'th' th' plight of illegals? An' be their champion! Fry mah hide!
   
   An' Lie, yo' kin't be president eff'n yo' kin't lie. Obama has showed us yo' doesn't hafta be fine at it, yo' jest gotta does it all th' time an' lie about yer lyin'. Whuffo' does yo' reckon her name is Hi-liar-y
   
   Yep, take it fum me, a member of th' backbone of South Car'lina who made this hyar country great, Hiliary's our man, eff'n he kin't does it nobody kin, illegally thar.

   replyreport
6. 71

   Old-Empresarioposted 9 years ago

   Hello Grace;
   It's generally not viewed favorably in Texas' business community where many employers rely on incoming foreigners for labor. If those foreigners were to suddenly become US citizens, then the fear is that the inexpensive labor resource would dry up. It is also not viewed favorably by Texas' middle class conservative masses (law-and-order types, nationalists, racists, etc.) who do not want to see the demographics of the state transform. But while the business community is not against undocumented foreigners from entering the country, the latter group does not like to see "illegals" entering the country. So, long story short, Texas business wants them in; but it does not want them given citizenship.
   Here's how I see it: the southwestern states were ripped away from Mexico 170 years ago in a blatant war of conquest by the United States. We have never properly atoned for that--one of our worst sins as a nation. Now the southwest is becoming properly Latin American again. Let it happen so we can forgive ourselves.

   replyreport
7. 85

   tamarawilhiteposted 8 years ago

   Because they overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

   replyreport