Will who wins the 2016 presidential election really make a meaningful difference

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   Perspycaciousposted 7 years ago

   Will who wins the 2016 presidential election really make a meaningful difference to most Americans?
   
   

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   Ken Burgessposted 7 years ago

   Absolutely... this election in particular because what we have is a quarter century of trade agreements and progressive politics that favor corporations and foreign nations over American interests.
   
   We are about to embark on the same journey many nations in Europe have been on for over a decade now... how bad it will become for us is unclear... we could potentially falter to the depths of Greece, or we could be more like Germany, but problems are on the horizon.
   
   In Sweden they had a welfare system and a social system that was practically free of violence and crime.  They allowed in one million refuges from the Middle East (in a country that had less than 9 million people) and now they have 'no go' zones where only these refugees dare to go, violent crimes have gone up 1,500% ... that's correct 1,500% primarily rapes and assaults on women.
   
   Their welfare state is over-burdened and they are on the verge of economic collapse.  Their society is not at all set up to resist a culture that allows for no compromise and is intent on bringing their ways, and their laws (Sharia) to everyone.
   
   We are headed in that direction, I think we have less to fear from our culture being overwhelmed by Islam, but I do think with our open border policy which Clinton plans on continuing if not helping, we will be setting up our own 'welfare state' and economy to be overloaded.
   
   Just about everything that has been passed as far as trade agreements, immigration policy, and visa policy will work to the detriment of American workers, and our economy... none of it is for our benefit.
   
   Some things benefit Corporations, some benefit foreign nations, and some benefit immigrants... none of the trade agreements, border policies, or immigrations laws benefit Americans, American wages, American jobs or our future as a nation.
   
   So yes... this election can make a substantial difference, in the Supreme Court remaining balanced or becoming an extremist branch of government in favor of the most liberal/progressive concepts on the Democrat platform... it makes a difference in things like Obamacare, TPP, TTiP, the trade imbalance, etc. etc. ... there are more differences between what Trump will bring and what Clinton will bring than there have been between any Candidates in my lifetime.

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      greenmindposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      This is toxic, racist nonsense. You could at least do a LITTLE fact-checking. For example, rapes in Sweden are stable and police have had to retract initial responses blaming refugees. Jeez isn't the world tense enough without you making it worse?

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      Ken Burgessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      greenmind Sweden has the highest rape rate in Europe, and the second highest in the world. Fact. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201 … soars.html

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Ken
      It is like when you are hammer, everything looks like a nail, ex, liberal hammer, racist nail.
      The SCOTUS needs to have more decisive decisions, 5-4 doesn't resolve the issue, 6-3 or 7-2 is better. But not if the SCOTUS is loaded with liberals

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   dashingscorpioposted 7 years ago

   
   
   Not likely.
   We live in an era in which compromise and bipartisan activities are viewed as an act of treason by the base of each party.
   Politicians value party loyalty over what is best for the country.
   Therefore the opposition party's goal is to stymie the agenda of any incoming president as much as is possible with the hope that the next president will be of their same party.
   These days the only way to pass any major legislation in congress is if one party has the clear majority to get it through without a single opposition vote. There must be enough votes to avoid a pres. veto.
   Ironically the voters are usually uncomfortable with having the house, senate, and executive branch under one party. This usually leads to them losing the majority in the house or senate during the midterm election. Gridlock is now the American way!
   I don't see Dems working with Trump or Republicans with Clinton.

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      FitnezzJimposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I think ‘whether it matters’ depends on how far forward you look.
      
      For the near term, I would concur, not likely.
      
      For the longer term, a vote for third party candidates enables future challenge of the two-party system.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Dashingscorpio
      It certainly won't change with Clinton, but if the people continue to revolt against the status quo, and support president Trump, then we have a chance of shaking up the loyal party voter. The loyalist party voter is the root cause.

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   shanmarieposted 7 years ago

   I don't think we can know the answer to that. Only time will tell. Many thought Obama would make a meaningful difference, but his Obama Care program only made getting health care even more difficult for me and when I didn't have insurance through work, I couldn't afford it on my own. However, when I had it under the Obama Care program, doctors charged deposits in advance that cost more than an uninsured visit. It took over a year to get the treatment I needed for kidney issues. My SIL had similar issues and is now in stage 4 breast cancer that should have been taken care of early on. So. . .it depends on what they actually do once in office. Talk is just talk.

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      gregasposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      We will only see change if Trump wins. If Hillary wins we will see more of Obama and WORSE.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Greg
      I agree

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      MizBejabbersposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      What makes you think it will get better if Trump wins? He has no plan; he merely spouts that "he will make America great again." How is he going to do that? Warmed over trickle down economics? Didn't work the first time.

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      shanmarieposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Are you asking me or Greg, MizB? I don't have any delusions one way or another about either of the candidates. It's a wait and see thing for me.

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   MizBejabbersposted 7 years ago

   I think it will make a big difference in that whoever becomes president will get to appoint one or more Supreme Court Justices. We've come a long way in the last 50 years in dealing with civil rights and women's rights, and I for one don't want to see any backward movement. We have one candidate who will not appoint ultra-backward conservatives to take us to a Pauline theocracy. We don't need to do away with Obamacare, but we need a president who will toe the line on the insurance companies and bring the prices down on premiums and big pharma. Obama didn't do that, and the question is, will she? Her immigration policies scare the be-Jesus out of me. While I don't think we need walls on the borders, we don't need open borders either. With Hillary there probably will be gridlock with a Republican Congress anyway, so her presence may not make a big difference.
   We have another candidate who is a misogynist and might appoint Supreme Court Justices who would take this country back to the Middle Ages. He is also ultra big business and says he will use that to "make America great again," but it sounds like a little drip in the trickle-down theory that didn't work previously. He probably will work with Republicans to delete Obamacare and leave millions of Americans uninsured. His lack of policy on Social Security and Medicare may lead to privatization, the very thing they criticize about aspects of Obamacare. That is scary to us senior citizens. He wants to build a wall on our South border at Mexico's expense, but their el presidente says "No va." So far he has no realistic plans except to promote himself. He is an economy-size temperamental 5-year-old, and it becomes a question of "can the GOP keep him bridled?" Or will a Republican Congress with a Republican president run away with itself.
   
   I have a feeling that whomever is elected will make a big difference to the average American. The question is, will the difference be an improvement or a detriment? You didn't specify which in your question.

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      shanmarieposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Good point about the justices. Also your last remarks, which is basically what I was thinking, but it didn't come out that way.

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      Perspycaciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      We are likely talking about replacements for four (4) Supreme Court justices in the next four to eight years.

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      Ken Burgessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Well at least you give us a fair view of your opinions... which is why each person has to make their own choice based on their beliefs and priorities.  Ridding America of Obamacare and allowing real competition between insurance companies is one ex.

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      ptosisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      John McCain said that the Republicans are united to block any SCOTUS nominee for 4 years if Clinton wins.  I hate McCain.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      We have a candidate that is a Misandrist, and has no accomplishments in government for the people and the country. She couldn't even defeat a less accomplished sen Obama in 2008. She will continue the decline of the US where Obama left off.

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   Ericdierkerposted 7 years ago

   I know this really bothers most people but both candidates are very accomplished people. They both would be good presidents.
   How can a person not be accepting of some of what each candidate would offer? (aside from people who work for either party)
   I do not want to be prejudiced here but both fail in the age category. Second term? I know Reagan pulled it off, but just barely.
   
   SCOTUS is an interesting factor. But I think we have seen justices that have ruled exactly opposite of what we would assume. I don't think that is because they cannot be trusted but rather because they are justices. Legislative approval puts a lot of the appointment into compromise.
   
   Wouldn't Trump have more impact on the economy and immigration?And wouldn't Clinton have less impact on our environment and civil rights?
   For sure neither one is a fundamentalist Christian.
   
   So the only things that would have real impact would be a lady or a business man non-politician. No one except Hoover and Generals have ever done what Trump is doing and Hoover was a cabinet member first. And obviously no woman has held the office, although there are rumors of Nancy and Eleanor being de facto.
   
   The only ways either one could make a huge difference are wars or if they have a majority in both houses.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Eric
      Clinton is not accomplished, she has failed at everything she has done in government. She couldn't even beat a less accomplished sen Obama. Accomplishment is not mere action, it has to result in a benefit. It is more than an intention

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      MizBejabbersposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Eric, I see that your sensible answer has again been Trumped.

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      Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Very funny Miz. I just cannot get into the hate factor of politics or religion. Can you even imagine how smart and competent one has to be to be nominated?

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