I have been in many controversial political discussions on hub pages. I consider myself a centerist. I believe we need both some components of socialism to provide the things that we can't do as individuals and some componets of capitalism, but not enfettered capitalism. It seems that conservatives have all kinds of derogatory names for liberals: Socialist, Communists, Fascist, Nazi, and so on. But when it comes to derogatory names for conservatives, there are none. Why is that and does anybody have any names for conservatives?
Excuse me? Where so you live?
Teabagger? Moron? Idiot? That's what I get on a daily basis because I am a Conservative.
Are you deliberately being disingenuous?
I have never seen anyone on here call you a moron or an idiot. You are the one who gets negative whenever anyone says anything you might disagree with.
Teabagger was their own name for themselves...
Also it rather looks as though you are asking for a name calling session here.
It is my understanding that if you call someone a moron or an idiot you will get banned from the forums. I was banned for telling someone they were stupid (it was worth it, though). However, one can falsely label someone a Socialist, Communist, Nazi, or Fascist without retribution.
As for teabagger, that is a label the Tea Party invented for themselves. They have only themselves to blame.
I have seen conservatives referred to as "wingnuts" here, though.
Well if someone there invented it they are not very bright. I will admit to a mistake if that is so.
I have been banned for lots lots less.
I have been referred to as lots worse that"wingnut" and I am not even a Republican. Whether it happens here is not the intent I don't think of this forum.
thank god for moderates and centrists because they are indispensable in any democratic government,I'm a liberal and a leftist and a democrat voter ,I wouldn't vote for a republican in this day and age if my life depended on it, because of the hatred the party exudes towards immigrants and minorities, and the excuse that not all republicans think that way is not good enough for me.I understand the party is being held hostage by the right wing nut talking heads, the let them eat cake and I drink tea party,and the extreme elements dominating the base, but until the adults are able to if ever take control of that once big tent party they won't have my vote and they shouldn't have the vote of any minority or immigrant.The ideology that best resembles their ideology is the nazi,the fascist, and the falangist, but they are too ignorant to even know that.
Hey peoplepower! One of your respondents took care of it for you.
Al Gore in a speech that there is audio and probably video of called Republicans the "extra chromosome party".
Bill Maher....million dollar donor to Barack...this weekend told Sarah Palin that now if one of her kids gets knocked up they are covered.
This is a ridiculous sham you have started here.
I like your classification, "centerist." I am going to look that up and see if it fits me. I think that name calling is the most base way of creating a bad guy/good guy arena within which those in power can manipulate the masses with fear. It is an age old tactic with results that spark wars. It should not even be allowed on the playground and much less in the political dialogue of those who represent the most powerful nation on the earth at the moment.
That's true. They say that names can never hurt you, but they do. They are very powerful and push our buttons to evoke our emotions. I think Centrists is a good name for people who can see benefits on both sides of the aisle. I believe in promoting the general welfare, but not to the point of taking other peoples money and giving it to someone on the dole. But I also believe in capitalism, but with regulations to prevent greed and corruption. If we could have that, then we could take the best parts of both systems and have true democracy.
I agree wholeheartedly
So in agreeing then I can't call someone a Socialist but they can call me a Teabagger?
That's ok isn't it because obviously I am evil.
I missed the double-double standard memo somewhere.
Wow, JSCHams, I did not read all the posts and I in no way was commenting on you. I never said anyone was evil and I didn't read the part of the thread where you were called "teabagger" or evil. I think that labels can be problematic and I believe in acceptance. I also believe I can disagree with someone without making them wrong or making myself right. I have my values and I will support those values while letting others believe the way that feel inclined to believe.
No it's not you.
You have to start from the first of this.
Somehow calling someone a Socialist was really hateful but Teabagger(do you know what THAT'S about????It's sickening)would be far less egregious.
I started from the beginning and did not see any place where peoplepower73 called you or anyone a teabagger. You said you were not a Republican nor a teabagger. I think that you have a huge chip on your shoulder and you are attacking peoplepower73 who really just wants the political parties to join together and find common ground. He sincerely asked about namecalling. I would look at the yourself before you decided to attack someone else.
Did you know Conservatives actually bear their young live....they aren't hatched?
Isn't being called a conservative bad enough?
Glad to see you made it through OK.
*Grins* Don't be glad yet... it's currently storming here again. Half of the state still doesn't have power. I'm just lucky enough to be on the same grid as both the police department and fire department. They are the first to be repowered. There are two hour long lines at gas stations and now we are starting to see food shortages because they can't get gas into the trucks to deliver food because the main fueling stations in the state still don't have power to fill the tankers to bring gas to the gas stations that do have the power to pump it. Societal decay is actually occurring pretty rapidly... it's a wonderful examination of sociology at work.
We're having a big thunderstorm now. Our power went off twice, and the wind was howling. It's winding down and headed out now - straight to Randy and Beth Godwin! lol
I don't mean it as a name calling session. It just occured to me that there are no names for conservatives. This gives them the edge in political discussions, because when they call a liberal a socialists, the first thing that person has to do is defend themselves against that name. Names are very powerful in promoting propaganda. I'm trying to learn something here. I don't want to create any arguments.
I just listed you a short clean list of what you get when folks know you are a Conservative.
Being called a Socialist or liberal is nothing to being labeled with names that invoke sexual acts or mental disorders.
I cannot believe someone with your obvious intelligence wants to make people believe he is unaware of these things.
You see, idiot, teabagger doesn't have the same connotation as socialists or marxists, because intuitevly people relate to those names as being evil ideologies.
They were calling Conservatives fascist and Nazi long ago. i can point you to forums and places on YouTube where that is the order of the day.
The idea that progressive liberals are being put upon by having their own methods turned on them is absurd.
My dad is calls himself a Republican Conservative and he calls the President and the Democratic party fascists and Nazis. I do not listen to hate radio and I do not have cable TV so, I never hear the names that political parties call each other. I choose to stay away from those who hate when others do not believe the way they do.
So to your frame of mind it's more hurtful to call someone a Socialist than to call them a Teabagger?
Are you aware of what that term refers to? I am certain the unfortunate individual...apparently in the Tea Party...didn't realize either. You wouldn't unless you were around a particular portion of our culture for a bit.
I certainly didn't know.
Well it's just presumably the Tea party member is a member of the Tea Party while most people being called socialists are actually not. The Teabagger term is insulting though...
One is insulting while the other is a lie, it's a tough one.
Where is this thread were you called a teabagger JSChams?
No, you misunderstand. i was explaining to the originator of the forum how that name has been used on me and got into a discussion that I was talking about. It didn't happen here...yet.
The idea having been that was nothing compared to being called a Socialist.
It doesn't exist.
Sorry folks but I ain't sitting back in the corner with this drivel playing in the background.
All of you know better than the premise of this forum.
Just for a moment, put yourself in the place of liberal. Here is the logical connection that is used by conservative. You are liberal, therefore you are socialists; therefore you are a communists; therefore you are anti-American. I hate being called an anti-American and find it very offensive. I find this logic used over and over again. This is the premise of my forum.
NO....thee connection with Socialism will only come when that ideology is plainly shown. I have family who are liberal but not Socialist and am a registered Democrat.
Your last couple of posts show a stereotypical view of Conservatives....which is certainly fostered on these forums...and therein lies your confusion.
But you see people who use those names really don't know the true meaning of them or don't care. How can a conservative be any of those things. It's easy for a liberal to be called a socialist, because they do belive in some sociial values. They believe that the government should provide those services can not be provided by the individual. But that doesn't make them a communists.
But those values are very hard to defend against a conservative. Because any hint of social values immediately makes them a communist. It's not that I'm having my methods turned on me. It's how they are being construed. I suppose the preamble to the constitution is really a communist manifesto because it says "promote the general welfare." You get my point?
You really know nothing of Conservatism but the stereotypes fed you.
Can you elaborate on your statment?
I have many friends and family members who are conservative and I have been called many of those names from them as well. We get into some pretty heated discussions. I get the feeling that any hint of sociaism is a threat to a conservative's values and belief system.
A Conservative will get out and work in the community and does not need the cameras and the limelight to know he has helped his neighbor.
A Conservative will give to a charity gladly and not have to have a picture in the paper.
Conservatives will work with others without the fame and glory.
Maybe that's why liberals don't want to believe it happens.
No a hint of socialism isn't a threat.
The ACA is not a hint of socialism now is it? It's an all-day sucker.
Now because I would fear someone might be offended that I believe that way about it, am I supposed to just fold my hands and sit in the corner?
Yes, please elaborate. I consider myself a moderate as well, but I don't see any part of the GOP reigning in the crazy talk that has dominated the party over the past five years.
Have you paid any attention to the liberal media mouthpieces over that same period?
Give me a break!
Are you going to reference Bill Maher again? He isn't a liberal mouthpiece.
You don't have to mention Bro.Bill.
Matthews,Schultz,Olbermann, O'Donnell(an avowed Socialist),Maddow
All these have used many many many insulting terms and phrases against Conservatives. We have been called murderers, accused of blowing up the World Trade Center.
You won't me to fish you some examples of this stuff off of YouTube? It's real simple.
You can find anything on the internet to support any argument you want. That doesn't mean that it is valid or the truth.
Oh by the way....
He donated 1 million to Barack and regularly slanders all conservatives. He is indeed a mouthpiece. A filthy one at that.
and let's not forget R A C I S T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone disagreeing with a Democrat policy is now a RACIST!
All Conservatives are RACIST!
The chief bludgeon of the left.
Also why no major Democrat ran against Barack Obama.
Frankly I don't see many people pulling the race card an maybe it should be considered a more important issue, jut a few months ago GOP primary voters were asked about interracial marriages about half said they were wrong about a third thought they should be illegal. Racism is alive and well in the conservative camp and that is coming from someone you know never uses the race card.
You don't see of hear much American media over there do you?
I'm surprised I haven't been called a racist here today.
I live in the US half the year. Way to not respond to the facts by the way, the truth is racism is alive and well in the South particularly in the conservative camp and it does influence opinions and votes.
Polling shows 73% of Tea party supporters believe blacks would be better off if they just tried harder.
Way to deflect. Never said racism didn't exist. What I was saying was it was and is used as a false generality against Conservatives.
The stats seem to indicate it is a generality amongst conservatives , at least a lo more than in the general population.
Hey I am just quoting the numbers, I am not saying all or even most conservatives are racist just a very large portion, the stats prove it.
Josak you have too many stats and things you read which may come from a skewed perspective toward the left. Did you ever consider that?
facts from independent sources which is a hell of a lot more than you have, on balance of evidence the conclusion is obvious.
Me: sources from several different places citing independent polling, sources include Gallup which has a reputation as the most reliable public opinion meter int he country and for complete independence, also poll conducted by foreign news services in the UK.
You: maybe the sources are biased, you also have no proof at all that your claim of racism not being a major factor in the conservative population is true...
Ever wonder why less than 1% of tea party members are black?
Just how many Conservatives do you personally know and interact with daily Josak?
I am the black Conservative sheep of my family and used to be a liberal until I grew up. That's why this crap doesn't work on me.
Some of the most hatefully racist people I have ever known were liberals.
How many? Tons, almost literally. I am yet to meet a racist liberal which is not to say they don't exist, I have a challenge for you, go to www.stormfront.org (white power website) and find one person who voted democrat, I will be surprised, I guarantee at least 99% are conservatives.
The facts speak for themselves, mathematically speaking racists are heavily concentrated in right wing politics.
You can call facts whatever you want, they are still facts.
Ok why don't you just go find the American Nazi Party website?
What kind of crap is that man? Do you think that's me? Or my family?
This , in this forum, is EXACTLY what I mean.
I don't think you are a racist at all i have never called you that all I have said is pointed out the facts, that racists are concentrated in conservatism, I see you didn't test it, what do you think the results would be
To make this clear: I am not denying the existence of liberal racists, I have never met one and I am awaiting evidence that they exist in any numbers.
I do not think you are a racist, I just showed mathematically that many conservatives are.
I think you know there are far more racists int he conservative camp, number suggest a huge proportion. (which I find saddening) I am not making random allegations but using facts.
Let me guess now...Rush Limbaugh?
Post the statement.
For that matter you have loads of info so why don't you just post the statements here for all to see.
You want to send me off on assignments, well now you have one of your own. Cheers.
You have not done yours though... So for now i will just reiterate the facts.
#1, Polling shows almost half of Tennessee GOP voters believe interracial marriage is wrong, 30% believe it should be illegal.
#2, 77% of Tea party members believe blacks would not be poor if they just tried harder.
3# less than 1% of the Tea party membership is black.
#4, according to a massive study by the University of Ontario conservatism has a strong statistical link to racism.
#5, studies show that the less education one completes the higher the rate of racism, conservatives have significantly lower high school pass rates and half of the college completion rates.
No Josak I didn't look at that website because I am certain it is abhorrent.
There are liberal racists and murderers too. Do you want me to find a website for that and associate liberals to it?
I am angry because you are engaging in exactly the kind of propaganda I was complaining about and generalizing.
Which reminds me, the greatest insult you can lay on a socialist, worse than teabagger, worse than even racist, is to say that Hitler was a socialist and yet conservatives tell me that almost every day!
Well that's what Hitler did for you by calling it the national Socialist Party.
I think you've just insulted me J.S.!
Ever hear of the German Democratic Republic, which was neither democratic nor a republic?
Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea is my favorite.
As for socialism and Nazism JSC I made it clear just a few posts ago what makes a socialist, the state owns the means of production and industry, under Hitler that never happened and everything remained privately owned therefore with no doubt whatsoever we can say Hitler was not a socialist.
Not to mention that he was murdering socialists and communists long before he started on the Jews (who he also believed were communists).
John I can't help what Hitler named his party and neither can you. Yes i am aware of East Germany . I saw it close up.
The point is that whatever he called his party didn't make it so!
The point is that's why some associate it with Naziism. No, it does not make it so but that is why.
It doesn't make it any less offensive. It makes it perhaps even more offensive because it is done from a position of ignorance.
Although it is easy to see why some would get that impression.
Liberal progressives are all about pro-choice abortion and teh Reich did have that Liebensbairn (sp) program.......
I don't remember the Reich being particularly pro choice!
If you are yet to meet a racist liberal you haven't traveled much. Not as much as you want me to believe. They very much do exist.
This that you have done is one of the stereotypes that i was referring too earlier that's just fine to do to a Conservative, but call a progressive a Socialist?
And some of them ADMIT it?
Oh no man, that would be just un-civil.
That's bull Josak and you are smart enough to know that.
Can you point out a liberal racist in the media or public eye? I can point out dozens of conservatives. I am happy to believe they exist they are just a lot rarer. The facts are the facts and it's pretty hard to argue against them.
Calling a liberal a socialist is just wrong, as in factually wrong, I am a socialist and happily admit it but liberals are not, I don't go around calling conservatives racist, all I am saying is the concentration of numbers is there, the facts are irrefutable much as you don't like them
Josak my friend:
Some liberals admit to being Socialist.
O'Donnel on MSNBC. Bill Maher. Bernie Sanders in Congress.
Whatever man like I said. I am an evil Conservative and cannot say anything no matter what sort of excrement I am described as.
Do not ever again portray yourself to me as fair.
It is literally impossible to be a liberal and a socialist, they are different things, Bernie Sanders is an independent who runs on a socialist platform, he actually is a socialist, as for the other two i have no idea because i don't like either and don't watch their stuff.
people can be socialist or liberal not both.
I never label you anything, I see you labeling liberals socialist quite often.
Because they support and espouse Socialist policies and deride anyone Conservative who won't. You know that they do and have seen what you get called for being Conservative and not supporting it. Do you not?
Now we have both had long conversations on these forums and you know what I just said is true.
Everyone gets abused occasionally on here, I can list several conservative hubbers that are often less than polite and even give you examples off my own hubs.
The point is socialism and liberalism are not the same they have serious economic differences, a person is a socialist if they support governemnt ownership of business, if they do not they may be a liberal but they literally factually cannot be both.
If you are a Conservative on these forums you are out numbered somewhere in the ratio of 4 or 5 to one.
Last week i made a statement regarding my feelings about the hand gesture the President had just given the nation and I got banned. Did not call anyone a name just stated an aviary euphemism.
Another hubber, the somberero on the beach, posted some racy pohtos on the forum ensuring it got taken down altogether.
Nothing happened to him. Nothing at all.
Whatever else i can tell you from personal experience that freedom of speech does not exist here.
Conservatives preach personal responsibility, why do they so rarely practice it? You broke the rules and got banned for it, quit crying about it.
Oh you poor persecuted thing, I get banned all the time and I make a conscious effort to be civil and factual.
By the way...about the quotes.
It's ok man. We both know you weren't going to find them anywhere anyway.
you mean these quotes:
onservative commentator Ann Coulter: "Our blacks are so much better than their blacks. To become a black Republican, you don't just roll into it ... and that's why we have very impressive blacks in the Republican Party."
Michele Bachmann: "sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father … than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA's first African-American president."
Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) (referring to Obama) "as an African-American male," received "tremendous advantage" from government programs.
Rep. Doug Lamborn (R-Colo.): Called Obama a Tar baby.
I limited myself though because I used only ones from 2011
By the way also I am warmed at the thought you think it fair for him to kill my forum like that unscathed.
I don't think the forum should have been closed, I don't believe in banning people and I have an absolutely no censorship policy on my hubs.
The forum wasn't viable. It was mercifully aborted by it's care giver..
That is kind of true in reality as well, albeit it varies from one demographic to another...
So, you don't think the New Black Panthers are racists?
And there are plenty of bad names that conservatives are called:
And black conservatives are often called "Uncle Toms" and "Oreos."
Oh thank you thank you thank you I almost forgot the New Black Panthers.
Yeah of course they are, I have never met one but their statements sure seem to be, that has nothing to do with the statistical realities of racism in the conservative movement, it's not an insult to non racist conservatives rather it should be a wake up call to get those people out of your parties.
Sorry, this was meant for JSChams.
O.K. You are the one that was concerned about name calling and you are doing that.
Yeah, differences of opinion are never based on different interpretation of facts, different values or different world views. If we disagree it's because we're: ignorant, racist, evil, stupid, don't care about others, mindlessly follow Rush Limbaugh, or are Hitler. The people who categorize us like that are to be referred to as "tolerant" and "open-minded."
I watched that and it is a classic expample of fear propaganda. It's exactly what I'm talking about. Do your realize the number of times that he called liberals names that are designed to invoke our emotions? I think there is a distinct difference between the liberal mind set and the conservative mind set. Does that mean that either side is right or wrong... I don't know.? I think one side sees the other side as evil and could harm their well being. I think conservatives do have the edge though because it's much easier for them to make the case of any social endeavor to be equated to communism and therefore anti-American. Social issues seem to mess with a conservatives right to individual liberty. They always feel that their liberty is in jeopardy because of the way liberals think.
And to prove his point the message to me is....Shut Up!
That's not true. I appreciate your input. Is not what I said about liberals, liberty and jeopardy not true? I have experinced this many times not only on hub pages, but with friends and family and the media. The issue of individuals rights and liberty always seem to come up.
You began this forum under the premise that liberals where called very egregious names like Socialist. I agree they may or may not be Socialist.
I then gave you a list of names....an incomplete one I might add...Conservatives are daily slapped with.
Lot's of that name calling is, just as our friend in the video said, an attempt to intimidate and get you to shut up. They only want one voice and for that matter one party. Many of them make no bones about that.
If anything here I look for fairness, however all I hear is how many people apparently get their feelings hurt by being called socialist.
Then I apparently am supposed to bow before the altar of civility and cease to call them Socialist.
They will in no way pay any attention to you, I assure you, should you attempt to dissuade them from calling me a Teabagger.
Am I not right?
I would rather be called a centrist. Like I said in the beginning of this forum. I see there are good qualiites that both sides have to promote a healthy democracy. I think Centrists is a good name for people who can see benefits on both sides of the aisle. I believe in promoting the general welfare, but not to the point of taking other peoples money and giving it to someone on the dole. But I also believe in capitalism, but with regulations to prevent greed and corruption. If we could have that, then we could take the best parts of both systems and have true democracy. But whenever I talk to a conservative about social anything, their first response is keep government out of my life, you are screwing with my freedom and liberty, and you want to give my property and income to someone who doesn't deserve it. In fact, there are bad qualities on both sides. When unions become too powerful, that's not good, but by the same token, when capitalisme is not regulated, thats not good. But the first time a liberal talks about regulation, a conservative says you are messing with free market enterprise. You are a socialist and anti-American I'm not looking for sympathy. I'm trying to understand the mindset of conservatives. It seems to be their knee jerk reactions are extreme. The preamble to the constitution says, promote the general welfare. Is that part of a communist manifesto?
Not all do that and I explained that part to you which you obviously don't care to acknowledge.
Hear ye, hear ye...I am an evil Conservative and must not label anyone anything no matter what kind of pile of steaming bull I get called.
I acknowledg it but, Not all is a relative term. Is it 30%, 75%, 90%? I venture to say you don't know. I just substituted liberal for conservative in your statement. It cuts both ways:
Hear ye, hear ye...I am an evil LIBERALand must not label anyone anything no matter what kind of pile of steaming bull I get called.
Why should their little slurs be ok?
What makes that all right?
It is all pervasive in our media.
I gave you many examples of what and how lopsided that is.
The early days of American conservatism...
Since it's my first reply int his forum, let me start by saying that I can think of a whole bunch of derogatory names for Conservatives, since I believe that this ideology is the key obstacle which hinders the evolution of society.
Let me explain this statement... Conservatism is a beautiful way of convincing those who were taught to dream of the "good old days" to stand behind any candidate or policy which protects the interests of that 1% of trust-fund babies, and the nobility and industrialists of old, who actually acquired their wealth in those "good old days"... and while half of the population of industrialized nations is being scared in believing that "things were better before", attention is being diverted from how we can make things better for our Global tomorrow.
It is impossible to solve the issues and problesm that the present and future bring by looking for solutions in the past.
We currently live in an age which society is rapidly evolving under the influence of science and technology, for which there is no precedent at any point in human existence. No one knows what is going on! I am convinced that people who were swindled in believing that going back to past practices, or fighting to the last breath to keep things as they are, are wayyy behind the curve on this one. The fear of change is normal, however we are all waking up to the inevitability and constancy of change and thus we should strive to make it, not slower, as most Conservatives would like it, but faster, so we can solve as many problems in this mixed up world and use this incredible opportunity to build the next world order ...
and a point of argument to PeoplePower73... Socialist, or Communist are derogatory names for liberals only in the US (and this is due to the propaganda to which the baby boomers were subjected to)... in the land where I was born Conservatives = Communists
I was just going to read through this thread, but I need to respond to your post, startupninja. Conservatives have reasoning behind their ideology far beyond just going back to "the good old days". Believe me when I say I understand your opinion of conservatives as greedy and backwards, as some of them are, but those are the ones that just grab the headlines. Especially abroad (and especially then in Europe), I get a lot of criticism for my conservative views, even though I consider myself quite "centrist", for no reason beyond instinctive aversions to conservatism. I actually wrote a hub a while back called Why capitalism works and socialism doesnt. Here's the link: http://bobzermop.hubpages.com/hub/Why-c … ism-doesnt . The conservative ideology is solid, despite some nut jobs that give us all a bad name.
Bob Zermop: That was an excellent explanation of the entire issue. I like the way you took the extremes and then brought them towards the middle. I cound visualize a teeter-totter with extremes on both sides, but it's cracked in the middle and both sides are on the ground. When in fact what we need is a teeter-totter with balance where both sides can play together.
In reference to my comment above, I forgot to say I read your hub page on the subject. Excellent work.
Thank you for the kind compliment, glad you enjoyed it.
She means like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnMBDdBn … plpp_video
I have these things saved in my YouTube account. Forgot completely.
Oh yeah...don't forget this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p50qHzC0 … plpp_video
There are no socialist liberals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0__B0hO … plpp_video
If he is a socialist then he can't be a liberal and vice-versa, it's very simple it is literally impossible to be both.
Liberals believe in a capitalist system, which means private ownership, socialists believe in public ownership of industry and business. It's a clear ideological break and you cannot believe both.
Maybe the liberals where you are believe in a capitalist system but not here.
That's what liberalism is, private ownership and a free market with invisible hand guidance, if they believe in governemnt owning business and industry they are socialists otherwise they are not, you cannot possibly be both, I live in the US half the year btw.
if they do not believe in a capitalist system they are not liberals.
So tell me about this guy:
the most successful economies on the planet are capitalist systems with socialist policies implemented to assure the existence of a middle class ,remove the socialist elements and you'll have the ultra rich and masses of poor.
Like I said before, I'm a liberal with a centerists bias. I believe in captialism but not unfettered free markets. That's what caused the financial meltdown was that the Glass-Stegal act was removed that controlled the greed and corruption in free markest. It was replaced by the Gramm-Leach Bliley Act that deregulated the banks and investment companies and created all the exotic instruments for exploiting the people. I agree with Bob Zermop, we need balance. But that doesn't make me a communist!
See, JS, let me offer up an idea for you to chew on. When you make a statement like this, you reveal that you are not absorbing anything that liberals and independents here are trying to tell you. It is really hard for me, a liberal who owns a small business and has a job working with small businesses to help them be successful, to read that and not think that either you are dense or you are intentionally ignoring the facts presented to you.
Now, you will probably interpret that as me calling you stupid and I really don't care, because you just made a statement that is false, and since you have been provided ample evidence on these forums that liberals do believe in a capitalist system, then how can we not believe that you prefer to remain ignorant? And if you prefer to remain ignorant, what does that make you?
Ok....let me put this right.
Liberal PROGRESSIVES like the guy I just posted the video of don't believe in capitalism.
Take a look and tell me about him.
So three liberal posters just commented above telling you exactly what I am, they believe in a capitalist system, they are not socialists.
That guy is apparently not a capitalist which #1 does not mean he is a socialist and #2 means he is not a liberal.
That guy is Bill Ayers. Do you know who he is?
And by the way....the black gentleman being very racist in two of those videos has been identified as one of the men who was charged with voter intimidation that Holder refused to prosecute. He was the one with the nightstick.
Nope, there are no racist or violently racist liberals.
Everybody is a racist, to one degree or another. They are just afraid to admit it. I'm a racists, your a racist. It's in our DNA.
So your point is because you found someone you think is a racist, violent liberal, that all liberals have these behaviors. And because Bill Ayers is a self-proclaimed communists, that all liberals are communist? O.K. you made your point. You are right, I am a communist and a violent racists...what's next?
That was in response to Josak who said he knew of no racist liberals.
I just introduced him although I doubt seriously he looked at the videos.
You were the one wondering what sorts of things conservatives got called. One poster even said wasn't conservative bad enough?
I would have thought your curiosity had been slaked but I will hang around to be bashed some more if you wish.
A progessive is a word that some liberals use because the Right demeans the word liberal. Allen West a representivtive from Florida said that there are 87 members of congress who are communists. When asked how he knew it was because they used they called themselves progressives. He later retracted his statement when he came under fire for stating that.
Finally, some relevant words on Socialism from one who knows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8rT76vN … plpp_video
The priortiy of the Republican party is to corporatize the ecoomy. Corporations are now people and will replace mom and pop businesses with franchises. Big business will work with a strong government to manage nearly everything--including the corporatizing the drone business that watches us from overhead (63 done bases now in the U.S.)
The original fascist concept in Italy was to have corporations dictate to government for the good of the people. And yes, the trains suddenly ran on time. This is what is happening in the U.S. Take ALEX. 2200 state legistators go to meetings to learn what the corporate giants want. They wanted voter IDs shown at elections so more Republicans would be elected, and it happened.
So, bottom line, I call these strong government corporative dictatorial types like Pual Ryan, House Budget Committee Chaie, Neo-Fascists. The other word I use is Bullies. They've made hatred a family value.
The reason I created this forum has two parts. The first part is the one that I stated, where I have been called every name in the book as a liberal, without much recourse as far as name calling goes. The second part is that I started to read a book called "The Righteous Mind...Why good people are Divided by Politics and Religion. I have now finished the book. The Author is a Moral Psychologist who has reasearch the way the liberal and conservative minds work.
Through his research, he has found that there are six moral foundations that everybody ascribes to. They are: Care, Liberty, Fairness, Loyalty, Authority, and Sanctity. He found the liberal mind has a stronger attraction to the first three and not so much to the last three. While the conservative mind has a very strong attraction to all six of the moral foundations. Thus giving the conservatives the political edge over the liberals because of their moral ties to loyalty, authority and sanctity, while liberal, not so much.
From a moral standpoint, I could see this in the posts on this forum and the arguments that I have been in with friends, family, and any other form of communication. Thanks to all of you I have learned a lot from this forum and I hope you have too. I'm going to do a book review hub of this author's work.
All labels are used to divide the people. A unified population puts fear in the hearts of the global masters!
You are all using them against each other, doing your masters bidding.
I think you mean this in a kind way, because of the happy face!
I do mean it in a kind way. If we treated each other as human beings instead of fictional labels, we would find that we had more in common than not!
we should separate the person we argue with from the political idea he defends,he may be a person we love and the idea we may hate, that's how politicians were able to govern in the past, fight on the floor of the house or senate, and go for a beer together after the session was over.
Here is the reason this is not done anymore, according to the author. Before Lyndon Johnson enacted the civil rights movement, there were many dixiecrats in the democratic party. That meant that they had republican leanings but were from the south. They would mingle with their brethren on the other side of the aisle and drink a beer with them. Once Johnson enacted the civil rights movement, the dixicrats jumped ship and joined the republicans party and the Reagan movement. They are still there and that divide is deeping because technology makes us more isolated to personal interaction. It has even become geographical. If you want to socialize with conservatives, go to a cracker barrel resteraunt. If you want to socialize with liberals go to a whole foods or sprouts.
You do realize that these blanket statements do not have a shred of truth to them, don't you?
I believe he meant to say "Denny's" instead of Cracker Barrel!
That's what I have ranted about since yesterday.
This whole thing is a farce.
Well if you don't believe in labels, then nothing in politics has thread of truth. Because, you can't have politics without labels. But the facts are that the Dixiecrats did jump ship after the civil rights movement was passed. Don't forget, the Republican party started out as the party of Lincoln. What did Lincoln do?...he freed the slaves. That's why the Dixiecrats were with the Democratic party. This is fact, not a farce.
Individuals cannot reach an agreement unless they are divided in to factions?
But, nothing in politics has a thread of truth now?
Do you realize the stereotypes you brought forth at the end of that statement?
This is an extremely amusing question, especially coming from you, JS!
Wouldn't it be nice if they could still do that.
I am sure you are aware that they still do, the same agenda is pushed regardless of the party in power.
RB, did you see anything "centrist" at all in any of this?
I would not even know a "centrist" if one came up to me and kicked me in the shin.
I have never met a Republican or Democrat either, I believe they are fictions.
All the people I meet are simply human beings, labels do not exist outside of one's own mind!
""I do not accept corporate entities to be people""
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