Anyone seen 2016: Obama's America?

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   habeeposted 12 years ago

   I didn't realize it was produced by Gerald Molen. I love his other movies.
   
   Is it pro-Obama, anti-Obama, or just a biography?

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      Ann1Az2posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I saw a review of it a couple of days ago and apparently what it is based on is Obama's dream for America which, according to the reviewer is really his father's dream, thus the title of his book "Dreams of My Father." I got the distinct impression that it is anti- Obama.

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         2besureposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         You think.  That superpac money is working overtime!

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            habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            It was funded by a superpac? They must have paid big bucks for Molen, based on the success of his other movies.

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            Motown2Chitownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Actually, a producer is often the one to approach someone about creating a film and sometimes takes financial responsibility for the project him/herself.  Very possible that Molen wanted to make this movie and has supported it financially without ever approaching a superpac.  There may be no political ties at all except for the producer's own personal beliefs.

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      rhamsonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I love it! The Nazi propoganda machine is out to convince us all with a movie. It will be much better than sitting through the commercials waiting for the idiots on the curvy couch to make up some more conjecture for us to digest.

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         habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Molen is a Nazi? Why would a Nazi produce Schindler's List?

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            Motown2Chitownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Propaganda, of course, habee.  Reverse psychology, you know!

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               habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               

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            rhamsonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            The Nazi Proganda machine refers to the efforts of one group to continuously bombard the public with negative or suggestive information that may have a strain of truth but said long enough becomes generally accepted as the truth. Don't be so literal. Did you get the curvy couch reference?

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               habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Yep.

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      gracenotesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I saw 2016, last week.  In case anyone is wondering, this movie does not have one bit of speculation nor cast one shred of doubt on Obama's birthplace.
      
      I really am not motivated to read D'Souza's book that inspired the movie.  Moreover, I don't even like politics that much.  Cinematically, I liked the images in the movie.  It's worth seeing once.
      
      As best I can figure (while not familiar with the book), D'Souza is saying that Obama is not so concerned with changing the face of America as he is in correcting, in a global sense, fundamental wrongs that he believes grew out of colonialism.  D'Souza believes that's why Obama returned the bust of Winston Churchill to the British government.  I would have to see the movie again to make more sense of it.  I did learn several new things about Obama's early mentors.
      
      I had two family members with me at the cinema.  My brother-in-law said it did not make a strong enough connection between Obama's world view and policies he has enacted in the U.S. during the last 3.5 years.

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   Cody Hodgeposted 12 years ago

   I dunno, the guy who actually wrote the film says he was inspired by Micheal Moore...
   
   'Nuff Said.

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      habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      But I thought Michael Moore was pro-Obama?

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         Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Sounds like something "in the style of Michael Moore", doesn't mean the person is a supporter

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            habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Okay. Gotcha.

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   Miki Korhonenposted 12 years ago

   I checked the website of the movie and apparently it's based on a book by Dinesh D'Souza. Here I provide a quote from the site:
   
   "In 2010 he released The Roots of Obama’s Rage which is the basis for the film 2016:Obama’s America. It has been described as the most influential political book of 2010 and has proven to be yet another best seller."
   
   Those who have read the book probably know more what to expect.
   It seems very anti-Obama based on the quick peek I took on the site.

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      habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks. I couldn't get to the site last night.

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      Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Dinesh D'Sousa is a right wing idealogue.

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         50 Caliberposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         From what I've read, I'll sadly have to agree. I stand right of center, but don't tolerate extremism in the right or the left, it does nothing for us as a whole when people are fanned across the spectrum and unwilling to cede anything between themselves it leaves us in trouble when attempting to straighten a broken bend.

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   50 Caliberposted 12 years ago

   I find this a quite polite forum topic, and I have little to add other than I don't know who any of the folks named here, at all! I'm unsure I've seen a Molen ,movie or if anything on Obama was ever told to me past his election which was all rumors and if they are not rumors we have the first setting president eligible for deportation to Kenya, LOL.
   I'm sorry if that offended anyone, I'm only repeating what I've been told by the Washington Post and MSNBC to name two sources but I may have been bleary eyed from low or high blood glucose, or some such.
   Peace 50

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      Ann1Az2posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      50 Caliber, Molen is a movie producer who is very fond of working with Spielberg, among others. He produced "Schindler's List," "Jurassic Park" (the first two), "Rain Man," and "Twister."

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   mio cidposted 12 years ago

   it's being promoted all day long by Hannity, limbaugh, mark levin, so that should tell you how  objective it is.

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      habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Ah, I never watch any of these three, but I get your point.

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   50 Caliberposted 12 years ago

   I have been watching a small thing that was set in motion on Bush 2's watch, a program of cross training military units with police units, to control civil unrest and right now there seems to be a large equipment transport around America the standard colors of the equipment is varied in color from desert colors where our troops are working. I hear rumblings across the floor boards of military members who are retiring or just getting out all together over things that are wearing thin on them.
   Like excessive deployments for starters and a few mentioned unlawful orders and I quizzed him on that and got not response that really struck me as to far off the legal orders and he just told me there were things that Americans don't realize yet but it's been in our face for 6 years or so and he sent me a link from you tube that I'm not sure if I can post that type of thing with out getting kicked in the pants. So I'll just say Northcom Military convoys of mass units are popping up across the US and may be going overseas or staying home the video shows a huge length of train cars hauling armored transport and tanks along with essentials like water Buffalo tanks for water supply.
   I saw on MSNBC on the Kudlow report this morning that Israel was planning air strikes on Iran before the US elections. I find it all pretty interesting to say the least.
   America seams like it is entering an eternal war with no way out and possibly gearing up for Martial Law inside the country at home.

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      Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      And we are discussing tax returns and birth certificates, while the nation is ready to succumb to martial law and outright tyranny!

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         kirstenblogposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Gotta have priorities

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         Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

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            Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Yeah, we are not on the precipice of a third world war, we are not currently engaged in a never ending conflict, the government is not preparing for violent confrontations with the population.  A global economic crisis is not looming over the globe.  The United States is not even dropping bombs over the globe with no thoughts as to the sovereignty of the nations involved.
            
            Nope, everything is just fine and dandy?  The tyrannical laws being ushered through Congress with overwhelming support are only being passed for the fun of it.  Our President is not appealing his desire to end around Due Process through the NDAA law.
            
            No, this is all imaginary.  Hey, I have a nice little bridge for sale, you  interested? 

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            rhamsonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Well creating and ignoring the Israeli middle east boiler plate was smart when we watched the outcome realized with the 911 attacks. It's okay, we are still ignoring it and trying to put a band aid on a bleeding artery by fixing Afghanistan.

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   Reality Bytesposted 12 years ago

   The Reality Of NSPD-51 Is Almost As Bad As The Paranoia.
   
   "Enduring Constitutional Government," or "ECG," means a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government, coordinated by the President, as a matter of comity with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers among the branches, to preserve the constitutional framework under which the Nation is governed and the capability of all three branches of government to execute constitutional responsibilities and provide for orderly succession, appropriate transition of leadership, and interoperability and support of the National Essential Functions during a catastrophic emergency. (Italics mine.)
   
   Do you see those five weasel words "as a matter of comity"? Just what elements of the legislative and judicial branches will be allowed to participate in "executing constitutional responsibilities" and "providing for orderly succession [and] appropriate transfer of leadership"?
   
   In other words, who gets to call the shots? What does comity mean in this context? Informally, it means good-natured, good-faith camaraderie. In its jurisprudential sense, the American Heritage Dictionary defines it as "the principle by which the courts of one jurisdiction may accede or give effect to the laws or decisions of another."
   
   In other words, in the weasel-speak of NSPD-51, it implies that one or more branches of the government will have to cede power to another. And since everything is to be "coordinated by the president," I'm guessing that the members of the Supreme Court left alive and some congressional leaders left alive (How chosen? What party balance?) will in effect have to sit around a big conference table and do a lot of "ceding" to the executive.
   
   And given the current state of relations between Congress and the executive, such comity will not necessarily translate into camaraderie.
   
   If it comes down to whether to pull the nuclear trigger, who will get to vote, and how large a majority will be required to launch?
   
   Comity—that innocent-sounding word—could well turn out to be the excuse for junking those pesky checks and balances the Founding Fathers seemed so obsessed with. For an indeterminate period of time.
   
   The document is also hazy on when our new continuity policies will be set in motion. The directive tells us that they'll kick in whenever the nation faces a "catastrophic emergency." But look how vaguely "catastrophic emergency" is first defined:
   
   "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions.
   
   http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf … e18591.htm

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