President Obama believes we should be more like Kenya - do you agree?

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   rrhistorianposted 11 years ago

   During prior speeches, interviews, and in his books, President Obama continues to shout praise for the Kenya his father proclaimed as success.
   
   Recently his "fairness" campaign and democracy with a small "d" have suggested that he would dismantle the freedom foundation of the USA by supporting government control of all private holdings.
   
   He has already claimed success with the ownership of GM.
   
   He has already claimed success with ownership of heathcare.
   
   He claimed success in peace for the middle east.
   
   But facts show that in each of these cases, just the opposite is true.
   
   Do you really want him to own our lives?

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      Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      When you start with a nonsensical claim, it's a sure bet that no "facts" can be provided to prove the "opposite" is true.
      
      Government does not hold GM.
      Government does not hold healthcare, even under Obamacare.
      Government certainly does not hold the Middle East, peaceful or otherwise (as if it's a private holding anyway).
      
      And what exactly do any of those topics have to do with Kenya?

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         rrhistorianposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         the taxpayers are owed by GM - that means the government owns GM
         government now controls 80% of the health support systems - this means the government owns the healthcare system
         your koolaide is showing because President Obama on more than one occassion has insisted that we are on the right track in the middle east.
         
         In Dreams of My Father, written supposedly by President Obama, he states that he will live up to his father's image and expectations.
         and what nation is his father from - "KENYA"
         you need to get off the koolaide quick

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      Hollie Thomasposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Cite your sources.

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         Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Don't hold your breath, Hollie.

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      kathleenkatposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Hi rrhistorian,
      
      In what way(s) does Obama believe we should be "more like Kenya?"
      
      That would help me to answer this question. I don't see anything I can go off of here.

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      Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      This smells of racism.

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   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   If you want to claim Obama is claiming something you need to post a link.  Because frankly, I don't believe your statements are accurate.

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      Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      No, the claim is the opposite of the statements is true.
      So you're basically asking to cite a negative source.
      I know, what I just said makes about as much sense as the OP.
      

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      rrhistorianposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I guess you did not read the books and so believe all the lies being broadcast

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   rrhistorianposted 11 years ago

   for you koolaide kids
   
   http://www.countercurrents.org/polya210511.htm
   
   http://washingtonexaminer.com/cbo-obama … le/2508483
   
   “I kept finding the same anguish, the same doubt; a self-contempt that neither irony nor intellect seemed able to deflect. Even DuBois’s learning and Baldwin’s love and Langston’s humor eventually succumbed to its corrosive force, each man finally forced to doubt art’s redemptive power, each man finally forced to withdraw, one to Africa, one to Europe, one deeper into the bowels of Harlem, but all of them in the same weary flight, all of them exhausted, bitter men, the devil at their heels.”
   ― Barack Obama, Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance
   
   "This process of displacement, this means of engaging in self-criticism while removing ourselves from the object of criticism, helped explain the much-admired success of the Nation of Islam in turning around the lives of drug addicts and criminals. But if it was especially well suited to those at the bottom rungs of American life, it also spoke to all the continuing doubts of the lawyer who had run hard for the gold ring yet still experienced the awkward silence when walking into the clubhouse; those young college students who warily measured the distance between them and life on Chicago’s mean streets, with the danger that distance implied; all the black people who, it turned out, shared with me a voice that whispered inside them-“You don’t really belong here.”
   ― Barack Obama, Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance
   
   "because the book teaches me things,” I said. “About white people, I mean. See, the book’s not really about Africa. Or black people. It’s about the man who wrote it. The European. The American. A particular way of looking at the world. If you can keep your distance, it’s all there, in what’s said and what’s left unsaid. So I read the book to help me understand just what it is that makes white people so afraid. Their demons. The way ideas get twisted around. It helps me understand how people learn to hate.”
   ― Barack Obama, Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance
   
   "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
   ― Barack Obama, Audacity of Hope
   
   "I've come here to Cairo to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world, one based on mutual interest and mutual respect, and one based upon the truth that America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition.  Instead, they overlap, and share common principles -- principles of justice and progress; tolerance and the dignity of all human beings."
   ― Barack Obama,  Cairo Speech

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   livelongerposted 11 years ago

   These kinds of claims really smack of desperation. We understand you're upset that Obama is going to win reelection. Making the most bizarre claims that only appeal to the far-right echo chamber is not going to help Romney's electoral chances.

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      rrhistorianposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      surely you jest.
      I am not a subscriber to your political agenda.
      I am a subscriber to fact - not fiction.
      Fact is that the USA and the world will be a rather dull place when all the worlds's population are starving for food.
      government's around the globe are restricting the rights of people in order to claim their tyrant needs.
      America is but one of those places, but as the leader of the world requires a smart executive, not a promising executive.
      the koolaide crowd needs to wise up or they will perish along with their nation.

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         livelongerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Don't get me wrong. Your arguments are only helping Obama's reelection chances, so, by all means, keep them coming.

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   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   Someone needs to work on their reading comprehension.  Those sources do not say what is being claimed.  At all.

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      rrhistorianposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      too much koolaide does that to some people.

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   Greek Oneposted 11 years ago

   parts of me are Kenyan-like
   
   

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   rrhistorianposted 11 years ago

   latest news for the koolaide crowd......
   
   http://washingtonexaminer.com/chapter-i … le/2508425
   
   http://washingtonexaminer.com/chapter-i … le/2508416

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      psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe you should substantiate your claims rather than just quoting and linking to not-obviously-relevant stuff?

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         rrhistorianposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         your koolaide cup is running over.
         you need to start working with the true facts, not the deceit being parlayed by the corrupt government.

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            psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Um, you refuse to prove any of your opening statements are based on any reliable source.  That makes your entire thread pretty pointless.  You don;t even know that GM is not government owned.
            
            But you think it's other people who are not dealing with things rationally and objectively?

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   Greek Oneposted 11 years ago

   

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      rrhistorianposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      your socialist rules will never work for America
      no one believes that using the rules honestly is wrong for an individual.
      no one believes that the rules should be changed to chastise those who earn a living
      you want to make it better - then get rid of those who want to keep people slaves to the government
      you want to make it better - eliminate the government that does not promote job growth
      you want to make it better - eliminate the deceivers currently in government
      when the country fails - leadership has failed
      4 years of failure is all that America can stand - otherwise it is the next depressin that you will see.

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         Greek Oneposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Sounds like you are advocating communism!
         That kinda stuff won't work here in the USA!

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   rrhistorianposted 11 years ago

   more for the open minded koolaide crowd.......reap the truth
   
   http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/08/ … y/#blogbio

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      kathleenkatposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Can you please answer my question? I don't think it was unreasonable for me to ask:
      
      
      Also, are you aware of the origin of the phrase "drink the Kool-Aid?" In 1978, Rev. Jim Jones laced Flavor Aid (generic knock-off of Kool-Aid) with cyanide, to kill his cult followers. The phrase has a very negative connotation attached to it, because, well, people died. I am not fully convinced that my life is in danger with Obama as president. I don't agree with his policies, but I do not feel endangered under him, or any other former president, for that matter. And I certainly am not suffocated by the media. A large number of Americans, including myself, posess the ability to make informed decisions on who to vote for. That's right, we get to vote for our leaders in this country. Seems very un-cultish, if you ask me. The government, by the way, does not control the media. If they did, do you think there would be this much negative flack going around? Be happy that you live (I would assume you live in the USA) in a country where you are free to smear the name of our leadership. I can think of a few countries that might lock you up and mutilate you for saying such things.

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         rrhistorianposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Funny - you should bring up Jim and his pitiful group.
         Jim Jones was a distant cousin of mine.  So, I am very aware of his antics.  Jim wanted to rule a community of followers and so identified his commune as the only way to achieve an equality of his personal making.  He duped his followers into believing they had a wonderful life and so when some decided to leave, he either killed them or forced them to remain.  His police state was one of the worst in history for a commune that was supposed to provide a wonderful life for everyone.
         The final act of this police community resulted in everyone consuming the same koolaide so they would all be just as equal - dead.
         I felt the same way about Jim and his phychotic path as I do President Obama.
         He, like President Obama would not compromise to make things better.
         For Jim and President Obama, it is his way or no way - there is no compromise.
         This same pattern has been true for the last 4 years.
         President Obama has continually stated that he wishes to fulfill his father's dream.  Which father is still in question, however, after viewing 2016, I am positive that my satement is factual.
         I have no political agenda - I have a patriot agenda.
         I do not oppose a party - I oppose the political koolaide brigade.
         Nothing is better and nothing will be better under President Obama.
         I once supported the top of the political ladder as a security individual for both parties from 1970 through 2004 and so I believe I know the koolaide kids when I see them.
         I have already been visited by some of your so-called free America henchmen.
         They cannot find anything wrong with what I am doing, because I am doing nothing wrong.
         This will not stop them though because they continue to harrass citizens of America everyday instead of focusing on creating jobs through compromise.
         The lack of compromise in the political leadership in America is the problem.  The only solution is to replace the lack of compromise.
         President Obama's Kenyan father did not compromise and so I view this as the background by which President Obama continues to destroy America.

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            kathleenkatposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks for attempting to answer my question. But I am still confused as to in what ways Obama is trying to make this country like Kenya. Then, we can judge whether that is a good or bad thing.

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    kathleenkatposted 11 years ago

    I give up, rrhistorian.
    
    You have twice now ignored my question in favor of arguing with others.
    
    Bye.

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    Billy Hicksposted 11 years ago

    rrhistorian,
    
    You joined 4 days ago, only have 1 hub (that looks like straight copypasta, I didn't check though), and have done nothing but troll Politics and Religion forums...
    
    Successful Troll is Successful, but it's time to go back to your "real account' now.

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    Greek Oneposted 11 years ago

    the election is over... Republicans would be better off trying to figure out how to keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House next time around

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       habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I know some Rs who will try to get her IN!

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          Reality Bytesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          I would prefer Hillary in November over both of the mainstream Bozos!
          
          
          
          
          
          

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             habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             DITTO!!!!

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    habeeposted 11 years ago

    In DFMF, Obama said that he doesn't "really belong" in America?? The much-admired success of the Nation of Islam? Where does he feel that he belongs?

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       Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I got the impression that is how he felt as a young person, it doesn't mean he still feels that way.

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          psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Don;t most people go through periods of feeling alienated? Let alone those with an absentee father from a foreign country, and a different skin color to most people immediately around them?  He's allowed to have feelings.

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       livelongerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       It's a common sentiment among people with "strange" (non-Anglo) names and backgrounds. Fortunately, the guy with Hussein as his middle name and a "spooky" last name and background is now our president, which comforts many of us who had thought the Presidency was reserved for those with the "right" ethnic background.

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          habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Perhaps so. I've never really been in that situation. Still, I'm a little curious as to where he felt he did belong - Indonesia, maybe? Or maybe he felt that he didn't "fit in" anywhere.

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             Hollie Thomasposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             Maybe he did feel that he didn't fit in anywhere, particularly as he was talking about his feelings as a young man. Those years are difficult enough, even when you don't have to deal with negative attitudes about your race or fathers religion (or peoples assumptions about your fathers religious values) . I think his honesty about the way he felt when he was growing up is quite admirable. I think that's when I really warmed to him.

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             livelongerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             My suspicion is the latter (I think he was picked on and teased a lot in Indonesia), until he realized that he was just as American as anyone else born here. There are a lot of different ways to be American.
             
             EDIT: I agree with you, Hollie!

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    rrhistorianposted 11 years ago

    more info for the koolaide crowd.......
    
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama

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