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Time for some REAL Change!

  1. Barefootfae profile image60
    Barefootfaeposted 5 years ago

    http://s3.hubimg.com/u/7763162_f248.jpg
    Here it comes.....

    1. profile image0
      Old Poolmanposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Hmmm, I wonder who woke them up?

      1. Barefootfae profile image60
        Barefootfaeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        It's time....it's way past time.

    2. Josak profile image60
      Josakposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      New boss same as the old boss. I really hope I am wrong though and they turn out to be sane conservatives with real ideas.
      Content is king, it will take serious policy change for the GOP to get anywhere.

      1. profile image0
        Old Poolmanposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Josak, you are asking for a lot asking for real ideas out of Washington.  The GOP will need to make some major changes just to stay in the game.

        1. Barefootfae profile image60
          Barefootfaeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          This needs to be said...

          There have been no new ideas out of Washington. Barack Obama did not bring any new ideas.
          Ask Europe.

          1. profile image0
            Old Poolmanposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Yes he did.  You forget about higher taxes, free mandatory birth control, gays in the Military, women in combat, sharing the wealth, etc., etc.
            How can you say he didn't bring new ideas to Washington?  The fact that most of us didn't like his ideas means nothing.

            1. Barefootfae profile image60
              Barefootfaeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Wellllllll..................
              New idea TO Washington I guess. Nothing that hasn't been tried elsewhere.

              1. profile image0
                Old Poolmanposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                LOL - Your right, none of these were really original ideas.

      2. Barefootfae profile image60
        Barefootfaeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        In what way could you not say the same thing about Obama? Be real.

    3. rhamson profile image75
      rhamsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Why make it so easy for Hilliary? Have we learned nothing?

      1. Barefootfae profile image60
        Barefootfaeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Easy?
        That would be running a McCain or a Romney again.
        Who do you suggest?

        1. rhamson profile image75
          rhamsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Jon Huntsman was the only grown up in the room with Ron Paul as a good second choice. I also thought that Gary Johnson was a good choice. If the GOP thinks that parading Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush across the stage and think that America is not going to see through the thinly disguised veil of catering to the hispanic vote they can expect more of the same results as this past election.

          1. Barefootfae profile image60
            Barefootfaeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            No I don't like either of those either but I want to be able to tell the difference between my candidate and the ones we are running against.

            How about an actual Conservative? Huntsman and Paul are neither. Rand is closer than Ron although Rand is libertarian, I will take that.

            1. rhamson profile image75
              rhamsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              How did that work out this past election? You are making my point exactly. America resoundly rejected the right and put Obama back in. He appealed to the left and secured the hispanic vote that sent him over the top above Romney. Unless the GOP learns where the electorate is or can gerrymander the vote to sway towards them, Hillary will be elected. The country wants to be in the middle and the GOP is being taken over by the extreme right. Romney was the would be conservative that was a chameleon everybody saw as really to the right. I agree that there has to be a degree of conservatism in the mix but unfortunately going for all conservative and no compromise is why we are where we are now.
              Huntsman made sense and Paul was right for real change.

              1. habee profile image94
                habeeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Huntsman made a lot of sense! Too bad the far right rejected him. The GOP needs to get off the social conservative wagon and stick more to fiscal issues. With the state of our economy, gays getting married, the legalization of pot, etc. should be the last things people are worried about. Personally, I support both the things I mentioned, but even if I didn't, I'd place my concerns on the back burner until the economy, jobless rate, and other financial issues were solved. BUT...I'm not a politician. Thank goodness!

                1. Barefootfae profile image60
                  Barefootfaeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Well maybe our problem is we have two parties and that make them feel there should be a difference so people can tell.
                  When you talk about Huntsman I get the feeling you want someone who will agree with the Democrat party. So let's do away with the Republican party altogether and just have one party and select someone from there.

                  Agreed?

                  1. habee profile image94
                    habeeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    No, I actually voted for Romney - because of fiscal issues. The GOP needs to take the pulse of America. Most people I know don't give a hoot if gays get married or not, and that includes every Republican I know. I'm saying the Rs need to draw a contrast between the way they would handle things like big spending and deficit spending versus how a D would handle them. Fiscal issues should be the focus - not whether John and Sam or Suzie and Jane want to get married, whether a gay man should be allowed to serve in the military, or whether people can legally smoke pot. When they talk about such social issues, they're losing sight of the all-too-important fiscal problems we're facing.

                    Oh, and as far as "agreeing with the Democratic party," I want a politician who WILL agree with the Ds when the Ds are right, instead of disagreeing just because they're the opposing team.

                  2. rhamson profile image75
                    rhamsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    I agree that we have one group who spout off as being different from each other until the check clears and the vote is bought.

                    The two party system is what strangeled the country and they are not about to loosen the noose.

              2. Barefootfae profile image60
                Barefootfaeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Mitt Romney was and is


                N    O   T   

                a conservative. Can we all GET THAT?

                1. rhamson profile image75
                  rhamsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Who knows what he is. He wore so many hats and spouted so much rhetoric there was no telling. His 47% line resoundly slammed his butt as a conservative. This was a statement he thought was in confidentiality but was his undoing.

                  I don't blame you for not liking him as most of the party did not want him either. But with the likes of Perry, Santorum and Bachman the conservatives got hitched up to that religious right bandwagon and Romney became the golden boy.

                  Like I said Romney was such a chameleon.

                2. Zelkiiro profile image95
                  Zelkiiroposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Oh, please. Romney is as Conservative (and slimy) as they come. Just because he was caught saying what every Conservative really believes doesn't mean you have the right to try to claim he's not yours.

                  1. Barefootfae profile image60
                    Barefootfaeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    You have never known a Conservative.

                    Romney started socialized medicine in his state.



                    AAAACCKKK! Not Conservative.

            2. Cody Hodge5 profile image60
              Cody Hodge5posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              What would an "actual conservative" be? Huntsman was by far the best your party had to offer.

              1. Barefootfae profile image60
                Barefootfaeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Because he agreed totally right?

                1. Cody Hodge5 profile image60
                  Cody Hodge5posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Or because he actually had experience working across the aisle, business experience and had spent years working in China, therefore he had foreign policy experience as well. Should he have gone to Bible college instead?

                  1. Barefootfae profile image60
                    Barefootfaeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    no but since Democrats never work across the aisle it's like I said.

                    He agreed with everything.

  2. innersmiff profile image71
    innersmiffposted 5 years ago

    I'm not hopeful that these candidates will be any better than the old. The sooner we reject politics the better, in my opinion. Government is a hive of corruption that few can use for real good.

    1. profile image0
      Old Poolmanposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Great idea, but how the heck do we do that?  Even though we did it by voting, we were actually hiring these guys and gals to represent us.  If we just hired some new people, what would stop it from reverting to a pit of corruption again?  Term limits, less pay, and no retirement plan would be a start in the right direction.

      1. innersmiff profile image71
        innersmiffposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Government is nothing like hiring someone. When you hire someone, they are legally obligated to fulfil their contract. When you vote in a politician, they only have to do as much to keep their electorate happy, or as the case may be, mildly dissatisfied. They can violate all their promises if they darn well want to, who is to stop them? When their term finishes, all their party needs to do is persuade you that they have some new, better people who will do it right this time, even if the previous 9 or 10 were the same, and despite the fact that they're bought by the same people. It's a fraudulent system.

        All we need to do is stop cooperating with it. Stop paying taxes, stop signing up for the military - refuse to associate with the government just as you would refuse to associate with a business if it had committed the same crimes.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image78
          Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          We would have to all agree to stop paying taxes... the whole nation on the same page. - wouldn't that be so cool to actually take back some power?

          1. John Holden profile image61
            John Holdenposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Just move to Somalia and then see how keen you are on a tax free system.

  3. Zelkiiro profile image95
    Zelkiiroposted 5 years ago

    The only half-decent Republican alive today is probably Jon Huntsman. And even then, he's only half-decent.

    We need to find a necromancer and pay him to revive Teddy Roosevelt, just so he can beat the shite out of the current Republican party.

  4. profile image71
    Education Answerposted 5 years ago

    The problem is that we haven't had a truly conservative republican in years and years.  Who was the last fiscal conservative?  Good luck figuring that one out.  We have had social conservatives, but nobody has been both a fiscal and social conservative in quite a long time.  Both parties have spent us into the hole, though the POTUS has really stepped up that game.

    1. Zelkiiro profile image95
      Zelkiiroposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Fiscal Conservatives are far less dangerous and far less abominable than social Conservatives. Why would you ever want someone who's both?!

      1. Barefootfae profile image60
        Barefootfaeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Because they have some common sense.

        1. profile image71
          Education Answerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          We don't get fiscal conservatives, and at this point, I wonder if America would be willing to lose or trim the budget as much as is necessary.

          1. Barefootfae profile image60
            Barefootfaeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            How would we ever know? Do you realize what a drop in the bucket the sequestration was?
            Have you seen the wailing and gnashing of teeth and  from the left over it?
            Have you heard the disinformation about it?
            You even had James Carville out there saying it was no big deal and he was just simply ignored over fear fear fear fear fear!

            Oh but they will happily cut defense!

            1. John Holden profile image61
              John Holdenposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Yes, what are you defending against?  You are a virtually impregnable continent and yet you spend two and a half times as much on your armed forces as the next nine largest defence forces combined!

              Why?

              1. habee profile image94
                habeeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Because of the threat of alien zombies. lol

                1. Zelkiiro profile image95
                  Zelkiiroposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  COMMUNIST alien zombies!!

                  1. habee profile image94
                    habeeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    lol

                  2. Mighty Mom profile image82
                    Mighty Momposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Redundant, I think.
                    Are there any alien zombies who are not communist?
                    lol

      2. habee profile image94
        habeeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        I pretty much agree. I want a fiscal conservative who's a liberal-moderate on (most) social issues.

  5. Cody Hodge5 profile image60
    Cody Hodge5posted 5 years ago

    Sigh...

    Not a single viable leader in the whole bunch.

    Still not ready to graduate from the kiddie table of American politics I see...

    1. Barefootfae profile image60
      Barefootfaeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      What do you believe constitutes a "viable leader"?
      Have you ever held a position of leadership Cody?
      Have you ever supervised people?

      1. Cody Hodge5 profile image60
        Cody Hodge5posted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Not a single "Tea Party" candidate..

        And yes, I have. Its fun. Of course, you actually have to know things instead of just talking and making lame memes.

        1. Barefootfae profile image60
          Barefootfaeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          uh=huh.
          When you have worn a uniform with three stripes or more on it get back to me.

          1. Cody Hodge5 profile image60
            Cody Hodge5posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            My Little League jersey had stripes on it. One of my work uniforms did too.

            So, shall we continue our discussion?

            1. habee profile image94
              habeeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Hey, your avatar is wearing stripes, too. I'm beginning to see a pattern here.

              1. Cody Hodge5 profile image60
                Cody Hodge5posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                I'm thinking I was a Zebra in a past life smile

                1. Barefootfae profile image60
                  Barefootfaeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  So you are a striped donkey?

 
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