Are you aware that white violence and drug use are rampant in our country???
I'm just not convinced that discussions of "white violence" are any more productive than discussion of "black violence." We need to get to the bottom of the reasons for violence in this country and solve the underlying issues. I've thought for years that young adult men, particularly those who have grown up in the lower classes, have been in dire need of some serious male-to-male mentoring. I think this is true across racial and ethnic lines.
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,.000,000,000! In the lower class culture, overt and extreme expressions of masculinity is encouraged and deified. One can say that lower class male culture is the culture of masculine brutishness in response to the overall harsh socioeconomic environment. This brutishness not only applies to men and boys but also to women and girls. In lower class cultures, brutishness is viewed as a sign of strength. In many lower class cultures, if one is not brutish, he/she is viewed as weak and is bullied. Lower class culture, particularly urban culture, is a street and survivalist culture.
this is ludicrous. this is talking about .0001 percent. Are you a lunatic?. There over 20 cities with over a million people and you pull this out. Out of your mainstream media derriere? Rampant describes you and not the problem.
Ralph you tip the scales of turning ant hills into cathedrals. Anyone who buys into this conspiracy nut case scenario deserves their wicked faith in this crap.
this one really hurts your credibility as someone to offer up a discussion.
Thank you Ralph for bringing to light those truths we'd rather see left in the dark.
Violence, hatred seems to continually perpetuate itself in America and rather than admit that we'd rather redirect the issue to anything but that.
People have used the words the elephant in the room while that elephant is been in the room for a long time.
I believe a singer and dancer once said "If you want to make the world a better place then look at yourself and make a change!"
I'd be totally on board if they wanted to address violence in young men but to bring up white violence by talking about a single riot....well it seems like it's reaching to me. But then again the video is from MSNBC, which is like saying Fox but probably worst. Doesn't the race baiter Al Sharpton (to call him a Reverend is an insult to religion) have a tv show on that called Political Nation?
The riot they are talking about in on par with the idiots who riot after their sports team wins (or loses).
Lol, on a side note anyone notice on the video at 5:09, their speaker was talking about white people and how he can't be racists because he knows white people etc..quote "my prom date was white, she was REALLY WHITE, she used to ride horses and stuff."
*Suddenly worried that I might not be white, I don't ride horses*
Let's talk about white-on-white crime. According to Justice Department statistics, 84 percent of white people killed every year are killed by other whites.
It seems that I should be afraid of white people, since I'm white.
Stunning! It seems Americans in general have a tendency to close their eyes to many of the biggest problems we face (or, rather, fail to face.) We have always had to rely on the news media to report on developing problems, but that has never been good enough -- and in today's world it's even worse. I personally think we need a national effort -- maybe a task force or government agency -- whose job it would be to determine define our existing problems and look into the options we have for solving those problems. It seems we have many problems in our society,but nobody is making any effort to solve them.
73% of all black births are out of wedlock, and many of those young mothers are not even teens. Their children will grow up in poverty and without a father's guidance. They will be influenced by those 'artists' glorifying drugs, sex, and gang violence in what passes for 'music' these days. Many of those children will not survive, because the young black males who make up less than 4% of our population will commit over 50% of all murders, and their victims will be almost exclusively other young black males.
Attempting to divert attention away from this national disgrace by lamely claiming whites have a similar problem is typical of the far left. Liberals have black Americans on their inner city welfare plantation, and that's where they will remain so they will vote for their Democrat masters.
You should be ashamed of yourself for attempting to cover this bloodbath up, Ralph Deeds.
"White People Make Up 42% of the Poor, But Take in Whopping 69% of Government Benefits."
"THE REALITY OF RACIALLY DISPARATE YOUTH CRIME? While some have denounced the comments by former Education Secretary and Drug Czar William Bennett, they unfortunately believe his comments are based in fact. Those who believe that African American or Latino youth are more ;criminal" than any other ethnic groups are simply wrong. The real facts tell us much more than stereotypes, or musings—both of which obscure the well-documented disparate treatment accorded African Americans compared to whites within the justice system. These comments on racially disparate crime also overlook the area of "corporate crime."
For over a decade, the Justice Department has been working to reduce the racial disparity seen in juvenile arrests and juvenile imprisonment, a fact that underscores the existence of racially disparate arrests and sentences. African American youth arrest rates for drug violations, assaults and weapon offenses are higher than arrest rates for white youth—even though both report similar rates of delinquency.
FEDERAL LAWMAKERS RECOGNIZE YOUTH OF COLOR ARE TREATED DIFFERENTLY BY THE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM. Since 1992, when the Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention Act (JJDPA) was amended, the federal government has acknowledged that youth of different races and ethnicities are treated differently by the justice system. As such the federal government has promoted policies to ease those disparities.  The Republican Congress reauthorized the JJDPA in 2003.
THE IMPACT OF THE "RACE EFFECT." In a seminal meta-analysis conducted by researchers Carl Pope and Richard Feyerherm for the Justice Department, two-thirds of the studies of state and local juvenile justice systems they analyzed found that there was a "race effect" at some stage of the juvenile justice process that affected outcomes for minorities for the worse. Their research suggested that "the effects of race may be felt at various decision points, they may be direct or indirect, and they may accumulate as youth continue through the system." 
LARGEST DISPARITIES FOUND IN DRUG ARRESTS, IMPRISONMENT. Some of the greatest disparities in the juvenile justice system's response to youth of color involve the number of youth arrested, and prosecuted for drug offenses. While African American youth comprise 17% of the youth population , African American youth represent 27% of all drug violation arrests, and comprise 48% of the youth detained for a drug offense.
"Contrary to popular assumption, at all three grade levels African American youth have substantially lower rates of use of most licit and illicit drugs than do Whites."
— Monitoring the Future Survey, 2004.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/van-jones … _8398.html
These are disturbing statistics, but don't discuss why this is true. Are black men being tried, convicted and sentenced by the same prosecutors and judges as whites within the same jurisdiction, or are they in different jurisdictions? Do some jurisdictions have a higher rate of violent crime than others? Does that enter into the tougher approach in some jurisdictions? There's definitely a whole lot of drug use among suburban white males, but not a corresponding level of violent crime - not a whole lot of drive-by shootings in the 'burbs, or on Wall Street, for that matter. While it shouldn't affect sentencing for non-violent drug offenders, it probably does.
Do poor black men have less access to competent counsel than middle class whites? Where do poor whites figure in all this - is there an income and class issue that's not being measured? I'm not suggesting that the disparities are justified; they're not, and they need to be dealt with. But we need to understand the dynamics of the issue to be able to fix it.
Spanstar what's most impressive about it...copy and paste?
What most impressive is the fact that it brings to light one of the biggest problem in this country is not simply Black minorities.
Recognizing that the white power base in this country can simply ignore the wrongdoings that they do while constantly focusing on particularly African-Americans.
Lol, I'm not trying to belittle this riot but seriously if you try to compare one to the other it's a bit ridiculous. Riots in general are ignored. They might be covered a little here and a little there but in general they get overlooked. Take the recent Trayvon Martin protests, various protests around the country turned out to be full blown riots. Youtube has some good footage of a Wallmart being raided by a bunch of black youths...but did we read about it on the main stream media?
Nope but we did hear about all the peaceful protests.
This isn't about comparing riots. It's about recognizing the lies that only African-Americans are the problem in this country with the way they behave. Coverups are plentiful, from years past when I have often heard especially in other countries which are frequented by White Americans on what is known as Spring Break as proprietors of these facilities talk about the destruction created by these people but the destruction is tacked onto these people's bills so this behavior is just simply expected. Rather than taking these issues seriously we focus on deniability.
So what media station is claiming that only blacks commit crimes? Also where's the coverups? Your not wearing a tin foil hat are you?
What signals are you getting from what alien-I didn't say anything about the media it's the stereotypical view you hear from people about African-Americans.
"We have more work to do when more young black men languish in prison than attend colleges and universities across America."-Obama, turns out this soundbite isn't true. Shame on you Obama for spreading negative stereotypes.
"more blacks in jail than college."-Reverend Jesse Jackson-again not true.
Wikipedia statistics don't agree with you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics … ican_males
The website also pointed out the incarceration of African Americans in prison is more nonviolent and more drug-related.
Approximately 12%-13% of the American population is African-American, but they make up 40.1% of the almost 2.1 million male inmates in jail or prison (U.S. Department of Justice, 2009
We need to stop building prisons and start building rehab centers, and we need to introduce drug courts that provide alternatives to incarceration; sounds like we need to start in minority communities.
Except that these are hard core drug dealers, not kids caught with a little pot! There is nothing 'non-violent' about hard core drug dealers. Violence is the name of their game.
That's only partly true. The failed war on drugs has come down much harder on inner-city African-Americans than it has on suburbanites who also use and deal drugs. The facts are clear on the disproportionate effect of police arrests and court sentences on African-Americans. People like you are inclined to believe the worst about inner city folks. Another sign of such attitudes is Tea Party's inner city welfare queen meme when the truth is that the majority of people on welfare are white. You apparently didn't catch that the skit on white violence was directed at this phenomenon.
Wrong. A simple search will reveal that your statement is incorrect. Even if the numbers fluctuate a percent or two in either direction, your statement is misleading. Many black people are struggling.
38.8 percent of all people on welfare are white people.
39.8 percent of all people on welfare are black people. Black people comprise 13.6% of America's population.
The left has long ignored the disaster going on in America's black ghetto, so now that Bill O'Reilly and Bill Bennett have had the courage to expose it, the left is scrambling to divert attention elsewhere.
The welfare generated breakdown of the core black family has led to disaster, because single women having out of wedlock babies beginning in their teens have virtually no chance to ever get out of poverty, nor do their helpless children.
The left claims that nothing can be done about it, because we cannot change attitudes and behavior. They forget what happened to cigarette smoking in America.
Until the 70's, smoking was considered an acceptable behavior, so lots of people lit up, and they lit up at work, in restaurants, and in the homes. But today, thanks to relentless ad campaigns and PSA's, smoking is now an unacceptable behavior, and most people no longer smoke, and when they do, it's done in designated areas where they are viewed with scorn. And yes, I too was once a smoker.
Out of wedlock births were once considered an unacceptable behavior, so women seldom had a child out of wedlock, and very few children grew up without benefit of both a mother and a father in the home. We need to make it an unacceptable behavior again. It will not be easy, but neither was convincing Americans not to smoke.
Black America is in desperate trouble, and now that the alarm has finally been sounded, those on the left desperately and falsely trying to point the finger elsewhere ought to be ashamed of themselves.
Will, as a Black woman, the current state of the Black community angers me to the multillionth degree. Tommy Sotomayor, a Black radio commentator has eloquently elucidated the condition of the Black underclass in his video commentaries. As I speak, I am listening to Mr. Sotomayor's commentary regarding the state of the Black nation. It seems that many Black people are regressing instead of progressing.
It is nothing for many Black girls and women in the underclass to indiscriminately and mindlessly have children. They seem not to care about the welfare of these precious children. These poor children have NO chance in this world. This is UNFAIR to the children. This is why I believe that there should be licensing for parenting and that birth control and/or sterilization should be MANDATORY. Having children should NEVER be a right but a PRIVILEGE. It is nice to meet a person with good old fashioned common sense. Detroit is Dante's ninth circle of hell with some parts of Chicago being Dante's eighth circle of hell.
The Black underclass have to step up to the plate and learn the lessons of accountability and responsibility. The illustruous neurosurgeon Ben Carson, who came from a poor inner city neighborhood, strongly contend that the Black underclass must assume responsibility for their actions. Conservative commentator Armstrong Williams, who came from a poor familiy, asserted that it is high time that the Black underclass and poor help themselves. These highly successful men aptly demonstrate the CAN spirit which needs to be implemented in poor Black communities. Is the Black poor doomed? Welll I have a solution to this endemic pathological dilemma..........
My rule regarding having children is: (1) have the prerequisite education and financial means, (2) be married or a in committal relationship, (3) relating and tied in to #(1) be established with one's education finished and one's career in gear, (4) have suitable and stable living quarters, (5) have the emotional, mental, and psychological maturity essential to properly rise and nurture children, (6) having savings for their immediate and future needs such as a college or advanced education, (7) having the number of children parents can adequately afford financially, emotionally, and psychologically, (8) having the number of children which parents can effectively exercise a span of control without enlisting oldest children to help raise them, (9) having children in one's late 30s and early 40s where one has acquired life experience and the maturity to raise the children, and lastly (10) tied in to #s (7) and (8) have small families in order to provide the children with a high standard of living; poor people tend to have large families which is quite a disservice to them and the children. If people follows these principles, child poverty would be eliminated within 1-2 generations!
Problem here Gmwilliams (and I somewhat agree with you) is that minorities would FREAK.
Also having children in one's late 30's/early 40's increases the likely hood of mental retardation.
It depends upon the health of the mother. Women, especially more affluent women, are healthy at that age than ever. Many women have children in their late 30s and early 40s and their children are not retarded. Also, such women tend to be more affluent and are better able to care for their children financially and from their life experience, they are more patient towards their children, having lived THEIR lives first.
It's not just blacks behaving badly of course, but they are suffering far more than others.
When young black males grow up with no father in the home, they naturally look to older males for guidance. What they find is drugs, gangs, willing girls, crime, and either jail or death.
We as a nation cannot allow this to be covered up any longer, and we owe it to these kids to take the hard road no matter how long it takes. We don't need more handouts. We need a hand up, tough love, and a big change in what is acceptable behavior.
Thank you, gmwilliams!
Will, quite welcome indeed. Agree a multillion percent!
From reading the posts and the links it gives the impression that the US is one of the most racist nations on earth.
Funny really because I thought the UK was! Well that's what the left wing politicians keep telling us anyway.
What left wing politicians? We have none in the UK.
Diane Abbott? Keith Vaz? George Galloway?
The Labour Party is still listed as left even though its centre of left and then there is the communist party and respect party.
Although I admit there is no real left wing socialist party, maybe that's because it just wouldn't get any votes?
There are still enough left wingers in government local and national though,
Diane Abbott sends her child to a private school. Not very left wing.
Keith Vaz owns five houses worth over a million quid. Not very left wing.
Gorgeous George - yes, you can have him, one of the few left wing politicians left.
So that's one out of about 650!
But you have forgotten all the left wingers in local councils John.
And as I said maybe there aren't many left wing politicians because the electorate won't vote for them.
Anyway my inference was that everytime something happens with the black community here its because the white racists have kept them down.
gmwilliams, I respect your take on the topic; I would add that as a rural white woman I can point to the same issues among generationally poor whites where I live, and it's partly because of dysfunction within the family unit and partly because the education system doesn't begin to meet the needs of the children coming into it. Schools teach to the middle, which means the middle class, and poor kids routinely fall behind as they progress through succeeding grades. Culture is complex and so are the systems that purport to meet the needs of the citizens, and the systems are doing a poor job of helping in many ways. Personal responsibility is important, but so are a government and a social structure that encourage people being able to climb the economic and social ladders, and we don't have those in any effective way. I suspect conservatives have a point in suggesting that welfare has hurt black (and white) families in many ways, but the solution isn't to stop spending money on the problem, but to spend it differently.
In the spirit of the video: what is this "Black community" that you speak of as a single group? Does it have a community centre, or a web site I can look at to find out about it?
The word "black" is redundant here.
Well thank goodness you are not in charge. You seem to have similar views on birth control as the Nazi party in 1930's Germany, and the Peoples Republic of China.
Who is the "black underclass" that you refer to as a single group? Does everyone in the group know each other? Are they related to the underbelly of society, or is that a separate group altogether? Do they liaise with each other? Do they have a Facebook page? Can I subscribe to their newsletter?
Again the use off the word "Black" is redundant here. Take it away and replace the mildly offensive (in my opinion) "underclass" with "financially disadvantaged" and this paragraph is just as applicable. Take a look:
The financially disadvantaged have to step up to the plate and learn the lessons of accountability and responsibility. The illustruous neurosurgeon Ben Carson, who came from a poor inner city neighborhood, strongly contend that the financially disadvantaged must assume responsibility for their actions. Conservative commentator Armstrong Williams, who came from a poor familiy, asserted that it is high time that financially disadvantaged help themselves. These highly successful men aptly demonstrate the CAN spirit which needs to be implemented in financially disadvantaged communities. [Are] the financially disadvantaged doomed? . . . . "
And in the interest of fairness, let's not forget the financially advantaged. Let's change that paragraph again:
The financially advantaged have to step up to the plate and learn the lessons of accountability and responsibility. The illustruous neurosurgeon Ben Carson, who came from a poor inner city neighborhood, strongly contend that the financially advantaged must assume responsibility for their actions. Conservative commentator Armstrong Williams, who came from a poor familiy, asserted that it is high time that financially advantaged help [others to help] themselves. These highly successful men aptly demonstrate the CAN spirit which needs to be implemented in financially advantaged communities. [Are] the financially advantaged doomed? . . . . "
So nothing in that paragraph is specific to black people, or indeed the financially disadvantaged. The message in it is relevant to all of society, black, white, wealthy, not wealthy.
Ya vol, mein fuhrer!
Jesting aside, is it really helpful to apply sweeping generalisations to whole swathes of the population who have nothing in common but the fact that they they have higher levels of melanin pigmentationin in their skin? I've used the term "black community" often myself, but I'm starting to question the validity of such terms. We do not use the term "white community" or "white culture" as if all white people are all exactly the same. Why are black people referred to as one homogeneous mass, when there is as much diversity among black people as there is among white people? All it does is reinforce stereotypes, which in turn affects people's attitudes, which in turn causes prejudice, which in turn precipitates discrimination, which in turn restricts social mobility. Isn't social mobility the very thing you want more of? Don't you see how the generalisations you are making, and the language you are using is actually part of the problem? I'm guessing the answer will be no.
Since Alexander the Great and years before white on white violence has been the norm. There had been periods of peace in Europe in lands captured by the Moors, but for the most part it was white on white violence. During the 14th century the white man took his show of violence on the road(sea). He was violent with black, brown, and red people on their own lands. That didn't stop white on white violence,. Ireland was lilly white, there was "The Gangs of New York" the civil war, and Germany wanted to occupy all of Europe because they felt suppremely white. I could go on and on, but I hope what I wrote will help white Americans who are replying here to see and remember the blood on their hands. I don't know how much longer this non-violent white on white crime(Tea Party Republicans)will be peaceful. The 47%er's are white,black,red, yellow, and brown,so are the rest of Americans
It was also intended to divert attention away from a covered up and ongoing disaster in America's inner cities. I fail to see the humor when the agony is so real in black communities.
"Recognizing that the white power base in this country can simply ignore the wrongdoings that they do..."
What 'wrongdoings', and don't be vague. List them.
For those who are interested I found the following movie although graphic and disturbing yet powerful and revealing. The documentary was named "Erasing Hate."
It is focused on one of the most prominent members in the movement of skinheads, deciding that his commitment to the group was based on lies and so now he seeks to get out of those that supported hate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bkTTEGf … 1375491883
Young black males make up only about 4% of the population, yet they commit half of all murders, and almost all of their victims are other young black males. The left would have us believe that such a slaughter is not a problem.
As one researcher pointed out, blacks make up about 40% of the prison population. Some claim it is for non-violent crime like drugs. But she also pointed out that if all non-violent offenders were removed from prisons, blacks would still make up about 40% of the population. Blacks commit violent crimes at rates far higher than any other group. That is to be expected when they are raised without a father's influence.
There's no one more fearful of black violence than another black:
“There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”
- Jesse Jackson
What you have said is so true. Many inner city, underclass Black males feel victimized and believe that the outer society is against them because of their race. As a result of feeling hopeless and in a psychological purgatory, they take out their hatred on other Black people who remind the former of themselves.
The Black underclass are inculcated with the ethics of the street. They feel that they have to be thugs in order to be accepted and be considered as strong by their peers. That is why in many inner city neighborhoods, children who are intellectual are viewed as weak and are bullied. Inner city Black underclass culture is the culture of the streets.
Like the Rev. Jackson, as a Black woman, when I see a bunch of Black teenagers, I become apprehensive and move from the location because chances are that there is bound to be trouble of one sort or another. Yes, this is sad to say but it is reality. I have seen it many times, when Black teenagers arrive, they tend to cause havoc whenever they go. I have witnessed it on a subway ride going home from a movie. This is indeed a sad state of affairs.
This time was not the only time I witnessed this. When I was in 8th grade coming home from a basketball game, many of my schoolmates who came from lower income, inner city environments started to act loud and rowdy, harassing subway passengers and swinging from the handle bars. I distanced myself from such children immediately, going into the next car.
Many Black youth do not realize how their actions cast negative aspersions to them as Black people. When many people think about Black people, particularly Black youth, this thought and view are negative until proven to be otherwise. I have witnessed such egregious behavior as a Black child, teen, and adult. This behavior and ethos among Black youth must CEASE and NOW. Great to add to the discussion, Will!
I have often been labeled a 'racist' over the years for daring to speak the truth about the desperation of black America, but it seems to me that the real racists are those who are also aware of their plight, but simply deny it or point to others in an attempt to justify their denials.
Will, if you'd climb down from your belief that everything is the fault of the left wing and accept that it is the fault of people of every political persuasion you'd make a little more sense.
"I've thought for years that young adult men, particularly those who have grown up in the lower classes, have been in dire need of some serious male-to-male mentoring. I think this is true across racial and ethnic lines."
And who better to do that than their own father?
This flies in the face of the feminist notion that women can be both mother and father to their children. They claim that men are merely sperm donors and are otherwise superfluous. As we can see, they are horribly wrong.
Without the firm guiding hand of my father in my teen years, I might very well have gone the wrong way myself. My poor mother simply could not control a rebellious young boy. Most mothers cannot, and we see the tragic results in single mom families.
"The website also pointed out the incarceration of African Americans in prison is more nonviolent and more drug-related.
That is not true. The FBI statistics show that although black males make up only about 6-7% of the population, they commit 38.3% of all violent crimes:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr … s/table-43
"Approximately 12%-13% of the American population is African-American, but they make up 40.1% of the almost 2.1 million male inmates in jail or prison (U.S. Department of Justice, 2009"
It's worse than that...while it's true that blacks make up only about 14% of the population, only half are males, so only around 7% of the population commit 38.3% of all violent crimes.
A huge percentage of prisoners of all races grew up without benefit of a father in the home!
Does that ring a bell with anyone?
"A huge percentage of prisoners of all races grew up without benefit of a father in the home!"
Today also grow up Black African-Americans who have to fear for their life just walking down the street because just being Black makes them suspect in America?
It's a sad truth that even other blacks are wary of young black males, especially if there are more than two:
“There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”
― Jesse Jackson
Drugs and crimes are symptoms of the real problem, and the real problem is the breakdown of the American family and the lack of a father in the home, particularly in the black community.
Until we come to grips with that truth, we are foolishly trying to repair a massive hemorrhage with ill advised small bandages.
And why are you ignoring gmwilliams? She is a black lady with first hand experience, telling you the truth! Listen to her.
Please don't tell me who listen to I'm old enough to make up my own mind.
Until we get rid of these stereotypical lies that we tell people about other races we can't begin to solve the problem of discrimination, hatred directed towards one another.
If you refuse to listen to someone who actually lives with the problem, then why should we listen to you?
And since when are FBI crime statistics 'stereotypical lies'?
this entire string has been generated out of an admitiedly satirical production mocking stereotypes that happened to use a bit of footage of white boys behaving like idiots,.... that some have evidently taken seriously? my only shock is that i read through the entire thing without pulling my hair out,... just the constant refereal to "lower classes" nearly gave me a nose bleed,.. thank you,... i think the entire experience cost me brain cells that i cant spare.
And what about the millions of black children born out of wedlock and living in poverty, chaos, and excruciating despair? What about the thousands who will die next year and every year after if we continue to ignore this national disaster?
Does that bother you at all? Maybe make your nose bleed?
I forgot about this program:
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