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   knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

   " A majority of the nation's biologists are convinced that a "mass extinction" of plants and animals is underway..."

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   Julahaposted 16 years ago

   You could add the following numbers to the list:
   
   Slave Trade - 50,000,000
   Imperialism/colonialism - 100,000,000
   Partion of India - 50,000,000
   
   Life appears to be cheap in this world, isn't it. And we are making such a fuss about abortion.
   
   The Bengal famine engineered by the British Empire took 10,000,000 people's lives.

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      Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Hi, Newcomer.
      
      Whoever you are, you've made a lot of sense through this post.  Thank you!

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   Julahaposted 16 years ago

   If abortion is anti religion, then so is the use of contraceptives. It interferes with the processes of nature. It is not as bad as man slaughter, but it prevents humans from coming into this world.
   
   What is your view on the use of contraceptives? Should it be banned?
   
   The Taliban has in fact banned it in those parts of Pakistan that it controls on just such grounds. Would you support the ban?

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   knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

   "What is your view on the use of contraceptives? Should it be banned?"
   A line from the movie 'My Name is Nobdody', not exactly paraphrasing here but something like, 'I'm looking for Injun Joe.' 'Oh he just died.' 'The Medicine Man was too late, but the Priest was right on time.'
   The Catholic Church has banned contraceptives. They're not really that concerned with what goes on - on the planet earth. They're more concerned with heaven to the detriment of the rest of us.

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   JYOTI KOTHARIposted 16 years ago

   I am watching this long thread. Many of the people are concerned about right of women, they want to leave matter of abortion to the mothers.
   
   A valid question: is it only the mother who affected? Does not the father or other members in the family and society?
   
   Medically Embryo has life. What are the differences between killing a baby and killing an embryo? Some one put an argument that killing embryos can not be compared with killing adults in war or so. with the same argument can we say we can kill babies instead of adults in wars? It is an expected norm in the world that children should not be killed in the war because they are innocent and harmless. the embryos are more innocent than even a child. a child can at least protest some or try to escape but not the embryo. Why we argue for killing them? those innocents?
   
   One of posts are about killing unborn baby girls in India. We can not support that. The same argument is for male embryo. Are we licensed to kill male embryos?
   
   In most of the cases (93%, as a post suggests) abortion is not a result of rape or so. Some adults choose to enjoy carelessly and when conceived, they are afraid of taking responsibilities of a baby. This is utter selfishness. Why should a baby suffer for a crime or carelesness of his or her parents?
   
   some one is sentenced for a crime of others. The baby embryo has not committed any crime or even a mistake. He has been suffering for some others crime or carelessness.
   Is it not a jungle raj? Are we civilized?
   
   Right to born must be protected!!! Some one has to advocate for those who can not even speak!! as they can not speak or protest or vote, they are killed mercilessly.
   
   Shame! Shame!1 Shame!!!
   
   Jyoti Kothari

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      LondonGirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      "Medically embryo has life". It ain't that simple. Heartbeat, brain, nervous system, all take time to form.
      
      But crucially, the baby isn't alive in the sense of self-sustaining. It's parasitic upon the mother.

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         Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         This is simply an unfortunate use of an adjective.  Non viable works perhaps a little better for fetuses that cannot survive outside the womb in the first trimester.  Doesn't change the facts or meaning of which I'm sure LG is aware of...as are others here.

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   knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

   "The baby embryo has not committed any crime or even a mistake. "
   Neither has all life that is murdered, as necessary to support you all for food.

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   Nickny79posted 16 years ago

   That's a grotesque characterization--parasitic, indeed.

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      LondonGirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      It's not a characterisation at all, it's just the way it is - the baby depends on the mother for everything.

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   NewRepublicanposted 16 years ago

   the only thing parasitic are people on welfare jk.  i hate when people characterize abortion as a "woman's" right.   it sounds rather selfish to characterize it like that. i would rather people use the argument as a person's right.  to do other wise sounds like a chip on one's shoulder and some sort of woman's empowerment issue.
   
   other points to bring up:
   correct me if i'm wrong, but during the same trimester abortion is legal, isn't it also considered a murder of the baby if someone murders a pregnant woman?
   
   
   furthermore, what about a man's right?  again, i'm not too sure about the law here.  but let's say your wife is pregnant with your baby.  as a man do you have any legal say on whether your wife can abort your baby?  that's sexist to me.
   
   one more point, a woman does have the right to choose.  if you choose to have sex then be responsible for what could happen.  by allowing abortion (aside from rape) it prevents people from becoming responsible for their actions and an innocent baby is killed as a result.  we have become so numb to it, it seems acceptable in society now which is disgusting to me.

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      countrywomenposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      First of all lack of empathy for a woman is a major cause of misunderstanding.  If she does have abortion it is a cause of concern.  And if she delivers and without any economical/social support (seeks welfare) then again she is a cause of concern.
      
      I find usually the same people who are against abortion seem to be against those people on welfare. And chanting the mantra of "killers" but still support needless wars(killing many) in foreign countries in the name of "patriotism". And also don't seem to have any empathy for any thing else(besides unborn "beings") as far as our environment (which seems to be drill baby drill affecting the marine ecosystem) and hunting innocent animals for fun (not for food).
      
      I really admire people like Bdazzler who at least do some volunteer work (but I am not sure how many women would really like to take help of such facilities when they really need). But the rest of these folks seem to have empathy only for unborn "beings" and not for any of the other issues that I have mentioned. Why is that so?

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         Make Moneyposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         It's not so.  I agree with everything you say here countrywomen other than I believe there should be as much empathy given to an unborn child as well.

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      Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Pro-choice is a human rights issue, of course.  Women's rights are incorporated under human rights.  Perception of it as "a woman's empowerment issue," and just the way you have phrased that may just be that chip on your own shoulder, NR.
      
      Fetuses have never, through a long cultural and legal history, had the same rights as human beings. From cases I've heard of--if a fetus is lost during an attack, or some such thing, the attacker can be held legally accountable for grave injuries or duress and loss, that's it.  Do tell if you have more info...
      
      Men's rights and say in any such matters are better worked out in the manner that Roe v. Wade has allowed.  Each individual situation is indeed different and should NOT and cannot be addressed in the best manner by the interests of the state.
      
      Your last point shows an incomplete knowledge of human behavior and even, sex.  Birth control fails all the time--it is not rare, despite of how responsible any individual may be.  Just a fact.  And AGAIN, for the record, a seed is not a plant; a zygote is not baby.  Look at the science, please, if you decide to post with such naivete.
      
      ...One last comment--infanticide IS illegal and almost anyone of relative intelligence understands that.  That last statement about truly killing a child borders on pathetic.

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   NewRepublicanposted 16 years ago

   also to further address the parasitic comment.  after the baby is born, would it not die if it was left alone with no one to feed or care for it?  why not murder it then and there if it's a financial burden to you?

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    cindyvineposted 16 years ago

    Sometimes people on welfare are there because of circumstances beyond their control.  The same goes for a fetus who is there beyond its control.  If the poor person had a choice, they probably wouldn't choose to be on welfare.  I don't think it's right to call them a parasite.
    I think if a woman wants to terminate her pregnancy  by 12 weeks, it's her choice.  She has her reasons and she has to live with it.  But after 12 weeks it should be illegal.

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       jjrubioposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       I have to agree....There are circumstances as to why welfare could be a help to someone who may really need it. That's why its called WELFARE..its origins are said to have been around since ancient Rome. Alot of other world powers have used a "welfare" system throughout history to help the poor who actually needed it.... But I am strictly against anyone who uses the system for a free ride..THAT IS B.S.

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    LondonGirlposted 16 years ago

    Wikipedia, for example, defines parasitic as:
    
    
    "Parasitism is a type of symbiotic relationship between two different organisms where one organism, the parasite, takes from the host, sometimes for a prolonged time...... Parasitism is differentiated from parasitoidism, a relationship in which the host is always killed by the parasite such as moths, butterflies, ants, flies and others."
    
    Isn't that exactly what a foetus does?

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       Make Moneyposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Are you sure you want to use the word parasite?  You could say the same for an eight month old fetus or the baby sitting on your lap.

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    LondonGirlposted 16 years ago

    Gender can be determined from 16 weeks by a scan, as I understand it, rather than 18 weeks.
    
    CVS can ID the gender from 10 weeks, and amnio from 13-14 weeks.

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    Leta Sposted 16 years ago

    Onus--
    
    OMG!!  And somebody has just plain forgot to count all of the spontaneous abortions within in the first trimester.  I understand that is between 30 and 60% of all pregnancies...  Of course, those should be considered unborn suicides!  Doing that, they sure won't get to heaven in the Catholic church doctrine... Uh-oh!

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       Onusonusposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       That doctrine is incongruent with the true nature of God.

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    LondonGirlposted 16 years ago

    I didn't use the word parasite. The relationship of a foetus to its mother is parasitic, though. That's one reason why nutrition is so important in pregnancy, as the baby can take calcium from its mother's teeth and bones, for example.

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       Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       It hurts "PR" sensibilities, LG.  The notion that motherhood is a truly blessed event at all times.  Science and scientific explanations should NEVER disturb that.  You should just accept your role here, you know...

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    LondonGirlposted 16 years ago

    Hey, I've carried my own darling little parasite to term, don't forget (-:

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       Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       I know!  And how could you ever do that and call that kid "darling," you being a "parasitic" spewing feminist....  It just boggles some of the minds here, I'm sure.
       
       

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    cindyvineposted 16 years ago

    I've spawned and spewed out 3 living parasites, and they're still parasitic as they grow, feeding off my bank balance.
    Just a thought, all those millions of aborted potential humans each year, would our planet have been able to support them?

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       LondonGirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       My Mum has a keyring whcih says, "money isn't everything, but it keeps the kids in touch"

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    Leta Sposted 16 years ago

    Cindy--
    Very good thought.  I don't think so.  Potentially ( although of course producing good kids and caring for them correctly always adds to the benefit of the world) not reproducing may give as much good as reproducing, macroscopically speaking.
    
    Onus--  Amazing.  On that, we agree.

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    cindyvineposted 16 years ago

    Some of you guys here and just going round and round like a stuck record.  Frankly, each person is entitled to their opinion and you just ain't never going to agree.  You aren't going to convert the others on the opposite side to you, some of the attacks here are quite personal and probably a waste of time.  Seriously, accept that there are pro-lifers and pro-abortionists and never the twain shall meet.  Let's rather discuss how we can help the babies who have already been born and who are starving to death.

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    cindyvineposted 16 years ago

    I agree, Miz Evans, as I commented probably a few pages ago.  Agree that you disagree, move on and rather do something about the starving babies who probably feel they had the misfortune to be born.

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       AEvansposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Hi Cindy,
       I do not condone abortion , only under certain circumstances which I mentioned in the beginning of this hub, this thread will definitely go on and I believe everyone is entitled to their opinions without due respect. No matter which way you look at it, born or unborn it is all very disheartening and sad.

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    Leta Sposted 16 years ago

    CW-
    I agree that one should not judge people, who--well, for lack of a better term--I would consider ignorant of the facts or truth.  I mean I would not judge them in a personal way, if I were to sit down with them and have lunch or something.  All equal in humanity.
    
    However--some of these people do influence others; some end up being in charge in some capacity, etc.; some (who knows, maybe it is rare--you do end up influencing when you engage them in >real< debate, if they are intelligent and open enough). As such, CW, I don't think being 'nice' and peaceable all the time is even a good thing. Especially not perhaps on a discussion forum meant for debate.  This kind of peace can lead to civil docility, disengagement and apathy.
    
    I'd rather see people arguing (well, in a healthy way)--because I think it is healthier!
    
    BTW--I've seen on a lot of your postings you put that disclaimer at the end.  Everybody knows you're not disrespectful, , by now CW.  And you have the right to disagree and still expect respect back, you know.

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       countrywomenposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Lita- I am not sure if you remember that a couple of months back for a genuine mistake on my part I was called a "liar" and it did affect me since I have never been called such things in my life. I sincerely feel giving somebody a benefit of doubt(unless it becomes a pattern) is ok. And also where I grew up in India if I have to get my point across to those who are elder to me then I have to be very careful with the tone/choice of words since we would be told that they have more knowledge/experience (which is certainly true) but still we also have a point of view (which should be considered sometimes). I don't know Lita I see even my own loving father who is in his fifties now sometimes becomes cynical(which is totally unlike him just a couple of years back). I guess I try to keep in mind who is the person reading behind what I am writing and try to say what I want to say (especially if it is a disagreement) as respectfully as possible.

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          Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Well...you are right, CW.  I just have been noticing that tag you keep putting on the end lately.  Yes--the liar thing was a bit harsh, wasn't it?  I'm surprised after all that big fuss, she did not apologize to you.  And I admit, I do not and would not go into subjects such as this with my own father, who has definitely become more cynical with age.  Of course, I kind of see it at this point, for me, as being the best thing not to upset him, etc. for his own sake...  Which, actually, is the same reason I don't respond to all posters.  You do get a sense for the person.
          
          Just--I think with people like Sufi, definitely, and Mark probably, you don't have to add that disclaimer, always, . They know you.

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             countrywomenposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             Lita- That's ok the way I have grown up even if the elders say anything we have to listen but what hurts the most is when they take it personally(and don't even acknowledge our apology). Then I realized my own loving father who is in his 50's has changed a bit(nothing can be done about it) and maybe she is also in her 50's hence there could be a similar change.
             
             Regarding Sufi I wasn't sure how tall he is (and based on my personal experience some folks are touchy about there height). Maybe in future I will find some other way to be respectful instead of the disclaimer

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    JYOTI KOTHARIposted 16 years ago

    many posts since I posted last yesterday. This is a heated argument that itself suggests that opinion is divided. It is not very long time that abortion is declared as legal right.
    
    We can see through out cultures, condemning abortion.
    
    Saying embryos parasites should be taken as abuse or offensive about a section of human beings. They are innocuous and innocent and will lead the human kind. The future of human kind is abused with a word parasites.
    
    One of the fellow hubbers had an argument that why people are only after unborn babies. That is because the topic is. I can ask the same question why she is only after women's right and not of the embryos.
    
    It is not at all true that people against abortion are pro war. most of them are against war and many of them against killing animals.
    
    Environment is not burdened with unborn babies. This is the greed and growing consumerism that burdens over environment.
    
    people who want to enjoy sex but do not want to take responsibilities and do not even wish to be careful are pleading for abortion.
    
    If you want to enjoy sex take the responsibility that comes as a result or at least have a safe sex.
    
    Please do not kill your babies. Think if our parents had taken the same decision can we come and see the earth? can we then argue?
    
    What happened if parents of Jesus, Mohammad, Buddha, Mahavira, Rama and Krishna had taken the same decision?
    
    Or parents of Einstein, Martin Luther king or so?
    
    Please think again, again and again before killing a baby mercilessly.
    
    Thanks,
    Jyoti Kothari

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    imadorkposted 16 years ago

    Sorry -- from the title, I thought this post was about masturbation.

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       Pestposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       LOL!!! at least you said it!!!  I wash em down the drain, dead or alive!

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    cindyvineposted 16 years ago

    lol

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    goldentoadposted 16 years ago

    this is offensive, some people may be sterile and unable to make shower babies

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    knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

    Congratulations all those woman who have an abortion who cannot afford children. Now it is time to fight for all the millions of starving children, and against the destruction of the planet. There is a love greater than self-pity, the love of the planetary whole. And the men should get their ego's out of their pants.

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    JYOTI KOTHARIposted 16 years ago

    There is a post in the thread that suggests 93% of abortion are not by the victims of rape or so. that must be kept in mind while advocating abortions.
    
    Most of the times, women chose to enjoy sex carelessly and when they concieve go for abortion!
    
    How can we justify that? If one can not afford to bring a baby why should he or she go for careless sex?
    
    One has to be responsible for his or her own misdeeds. Why the innocent babies are put to death for a crime or carelessness not commited by him or her?
    
    Many of the children in the globe are starving. Can we kill them with same argument as some are arguing in favor of abortion?
    
    We should work to feed them and not to kill them.
    
    Jyoti Kothari
    
    Jyoti kothari

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    knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

    "Most of the times, women chose to enjoy sex carelessly and when they concieve go for abortion!"
    I notice JYOTI you as a man don't seem to take any responsibility in this although is it men or woman who mostly desire sex most of the time?
    "Many of the children in the globe are starving. Can we kill them with same argument as some are arguing in favor of abortion?"
    You would let them starve and I would abort them.
    "We should work to feed them and not to kill them."
    Shoulda, woulda, coulda - ain't gonna happen.
    There are more people than there is food in some places, which will become more places.

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    goldentoadposted 16 years ago

    I can't believe this shit is still going

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    knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

    "I can't believe this s**t is still going"
    That's 'Road to Nowhere' to you toad.

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       goldentoadposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       I thought this forum was the road to nowhere

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    Leta Sposted 16 years ago

    Sigh... Yes, Knol.  And I wasn't really going to say this, but JK does seem to want to pursue the dialogue on this, doesn't he?  So...
    
    I'm pro-choice, my 2 sisters have had abortions (yes, I meant 'sisters' literally in this post--not as a 'women's empowerment' code phrase, OMG) and I supported them, AND I support financially a family of 4 in India with two little girls.  Little girls whose lives I hope have more meaning than just as child bearers or as people at the lowest of the low end of the economic scale.
    
    Yes, the "carelessly enjoying sex," statement is insulting.  And empowerment of women?  H*ll, yeah...in many more ways than just one.

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    knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

    "I thought this forum was the road to nowhere"
    So what - you got the treasure map? Where you goin'
    that's so much greater? Cause obviously I am an idiot.

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       goldentoadposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       if you say you're an idiot I won't debate you. And yes, I got the treasure map, but its a secret.

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    cindyvineposted 16 years ago

    Hey, wasn't that Talking Heads who sang about the Road to Nowhere?  Okay, every time you want to say what has already been said a thousand times before on this thread, put $10 in an envelope and send it to an NGO who works with starving babies and AIDS orphans.  That way, you'll actually be doing something constructive, instead of going round in circles on here.

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    knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

    "Hey, wasn't that Talking Heads who sang about the Road to Nowhere?" Not sure but good song.
    "That way, you'll actually be doing something constructive, instead of going round in circles on here." Yea or I can gadfly about or retrospect.

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       Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Sorry, GT!  But I prefer the retrospect...or introspect, whatever the case may be...  lol
       
       I say we both discuss and send money.

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    knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

    "And yes, I got the treasure map, but its a secret."
    Me thinks you got youth, which is more than I got.

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       goldentoadposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       if you are feelin old, eat acai berries they have antioxidants

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    Onusonusposted 16 years ago

    It is a poverty that a "child must die", So that you may live as you wish.

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       goldentoadposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Well, what else to you expect me to eat, kitty kats?

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    cindyvineposted 16 years ago

    Yep, but that potential kid (or zygote I think was mentioned much earlier) is gone and has no way of coming back.  However, there are some kids around who's mummies decided not to abort them who are starving to death.  Let's focus on helping them, rather than the ones already gone.

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    Onusonusposted 16 years ago

    Simple morality dictates that unless and until someone can prove the unborn human is not alive, we must give it the benefit of the doubt and assume it is (alive). And, thus, it should be entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness

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       goldentoadposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       how poetic and perhaps true in an imaginary world

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          Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          LOL does it refer to stones too?

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          Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          And don't forget those fetuses spontaneously aborting in the first trimester!  Maybe women should be prosecuted for reckless endangerment of a fetus in these cases.  After all, THOSE fetuses should be entitled to the same rights, right??? And OH, damn that fetus carrier.  What was she doin'?

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    Indian ladyposted 16 years ago

    Many modern females feel proud to have unsafe sex. They concieve because of the same.
    Abortion is not preferred one. I can not support it.
    I am proud to be a mother.
    Thanks,
    Indian lady

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    cindyvineposted 16 years ago

    Yes, but if it has already been burnt in an incinerator you can't help it any more as it is dead and gone.  The starving kids are alive.

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       Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Maybe this is all something of a big show because people either a),feel powerless to do something, or b), really don't care but anyway want to make a show of it.  That's why they go round and round...
       
       First time I've had that thought.

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    knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

    "until someone can prove the unborn human is not alive, we must give it the benefit of the doubt and assume it is (alive)."
    Sounds like the case for God we have heard so much about.

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       Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       The guy is missing a lot of scientific facts, not to mention valid stats, and all this is mainly about his own 'feelings,' etc.  So I'm doing a satire act with him.
       
       OF course a zygote or fetus is alive.  Viability is another question.  'Greatest good' is another question MOST of the prolifers do not get.

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    cindyvineposted 16 years ago

    too much round the mulberry bush here.  Going to permanently jump off here before I get any dizzier.

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    Onusonusposted 16 years ago

    Ive noticed that everyone who is for abortion is already born.

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       goldentoadposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       that's deep, I guess we get a choice about it

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       LondonGirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Is that supposed to be profound?

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          Onusonusposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          No but I believe it is ironic that a society confronted with plastic bags filled with the remains of aborted babies should be more concerned about the problem of recycling the plastic.

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             Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             I see you are Mormon from your profile page, Onus.  And doubt anything we say will change any doctrine.
             
             I disagree completely with this statement and with this pathetic attempt at starting a liberal/conservative or whatever war.  I guess the question to ask is what are you doing to prevent unwanted pregnancies, then--since it such a concern of yours?

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                Onusonusposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                Lets not let the animosity run aground, I am merely expressing concern for innocent lives in the world.

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       Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Very profound, LG...  And good gosh darn point! I suppose everybody born has the ability to think, breathe, etc., without being a 'parasite.'  I guess the are 'viable,' yes?
       
       This could just be why!

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    LondonGirlposted 16 years ago

    It was such a pointless thing to say, I thought there had to be a reason. But there wasn't, apparently.

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    Leta Sposted 16 years ago

    I find it interesting that you would find that post containing animosity, since it contained the least of anything I've put to you thus far.
    
    So, I'm thinking I may be right, as I posted to Cindy.  All this posturing is mainly hot air, based on nothing real...

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       Onusonusposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       If it's all hot air then what are you still doing here?

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          Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Am exiting...
          
          And I do have a position, words, AND action to stand on...  If you read through this thread.  I mean YOU are posturing and don't back anything with validity--words nor actions--it seems to be hot air.
          
          It's cool...whatever...keep 'voicing.'

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             Onusonusposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             keep your temper....

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    Leta Sposted 16 years ago

    Mr. Onus, lol-- This conversation does not make me upset whatsoever.  Why should it?  Truth has a tendency to make one calm and cool.
    
    Anyway... The other side's argument (yours) is far, far from being good enough to make me even remotely slip into an emotive state.   Sorry.
    
    That WAS funny to me, though, lol..gotta go..

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       Onusonusposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       The truth is that to take life after its inception is a horrible crime; but to prevent human life that the Creator is about to bring into being, is satanic.

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          RKHenryposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Not planning on bombing any abortions clinic's are you?  In the name of God, that is............
          
          Or are you just being a tad melodramatic?  Satanic.  Come on man.  That sounds "Wacko!"

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             Onusonusposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             Do you prefer heavenly? or perhaps heaven inspired?

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                RKHenryposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                Neither.  If you are going to carrying on so though, at least keep it real.  Satanic?  Come on, all your creativity and soundly made arguments or reasons, went out the window with that one.  Too bad.

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                   Onusonusposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                   I am not condeming people that is not my job, but it is a fact that this is a form of murder. I do not wish to control the actions of people but rather advocate right choices, and why would I blow up a building if I am against unnessicary death?

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          JYOTI KOTHARIposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Onusonus,
          I feel that taking life is not good by any means. The embryo is live!!
          Jyoti kothari

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             VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             Taking a life, preventing a life and leaving a child on the streets, unable to look after, are all satanic.  Once decided to have a child wantonly or doing an act for it, the couple should take responsibility of the coming child. Or the government should establish regional creches.

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                JYOTI KOTHARIposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                You are right Venu. We should do something for all those in distress. Government is pro-killing the embryos.
                Jyoti Kothari

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    RKHenryposted 16 years ago

    This is another one of those, never decides on anything, can agree on nothing, forum topics that goes on forever.  Happy arguing mute points.

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    RKHenryposted 16 years ago

    the devil creeps in in the most mysterious ways.......
    
    
    Dude, just keeping it real.

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       Onusonusposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Him and his pitch fork, and red tights!

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          RKHenryposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          

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    wonderkattposted 16 years ago

    Abortion is between a woman her doctor and her God. The rest of you haven't got a place in the decision unless you are one of the above.
    And if you guys don't want you offspring aborted them keep you penis in you hands or your pants. "nuff said"
    
    watcherkatt

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    JYOTI KOTHARIposted 16 years ago

    I viewed an advertisement by the Government of India against abortion of a girl child. It is illegal in India. The ad shows it like putting knife in the belly of an woman. It looks like a murder.
    If abortion of girl child is illegal by which sense we can justify abortion of a male child?
    Jyoti Kothari

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    mktol1984posted 16 years ago

    why is it so important for christians and other religious groups to force there views on a population this whole abortion debate is based in what people believe to be against there belief this is also the same with gay marriage and i just have to say as an athiest shut the fuck up christians just because you believe in an ancient book with ancient rules that date back before people knew what caused rain or that the earth orbits the sun doesn't give you the right to enforce your believe system on others if you want to believe in something that doesn't exist thats your choice but don't think you can make me follow you always remember religion has caused more deaths then anything else in human history and if you go to church in one way or another you are a baby killer all religions have blood on there hands

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       tksenseiposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       What an eloquent, persuasive, and well-written argument.
       
       
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          Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          What a fantastic rebuttal.

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