How much BETTER was America when George Bush was President?

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   LadyFiddlerposted 10 years ago

   
   Were you all "America" in a fantastic shape financial wise? did you pay back your debts you owed around the world? Were you a drug free, Muslim free, raping free, human trafficking free, illegal immigrants free, murder free, scam free, fraud free, psychotic free, abortion free, sex perverts free, nation? Or did you inherit all these Atrocious things. When the Black man "Obama" came. Because to me seems like some folks think it WAS FINE AND DANDY before and in 6yrs everything now went WRONG. So tell me from your perspective I'd love to know.

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The country needs to be seen in light of its possibilities as far as promoting life, liberty and the pursuit of true happiness and the noble qualities inherent in man's higher nature,  (as granted by the Constitution).
      
      Not judged in the shade of its deviations promoted by the sheer evil inherent in mankind's lower nature.
      
      The experiment that is this free nation has not fully realized the value of reasonable common sense boundaries.
      
      Boundaries are necessary for the securing of liberty. You can't have freedom without boundaries.  The discipline of boundaries and freedom are are two sides of the same coin. We have yet to get on board with this.
      
      1.  Why do people think they will be happy doing the terrible things they do?
       
      
      2. How can a president be blamed for the wrong actions of the citizens?
      
      
      3. Does a president promote the goings on in society?
      
      4. How?
      
      You should tell us.

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         LadyFiddlerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         No if you read me well in my above forum you will see that i am being sarcastic because of "certain people" that have been picking on Obama as if he is the worst thing since sliced bread. So I am asking honest American citizens to tell me if when Bush was in power if America was crime Free, illegal immigrant free etc? BECAUSE I AM SURE NOT , Corrupted since the dawning of time not since 2008.

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            Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            There is a bigger picture and I am convinced that Obama and Bush and many other presidents, as well, were/are victims of some greater NWO force that began long ago. We have a lot of work to do to combat this force which seems to be gaining momentum.

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            Jackie Lynnleyposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Not having voted for Bush ever and Obama only the first time I think I can honestly say what we need to be concerned about is what is happening right now. Bush is not in office and Obama is. So our concerns as Americans cannot go backward to make what is happening today OK. Real Americans can see clearly what devastating things are happening in this country; backing down to other national powers looking weak; cutting pay of our fighting servicemen; letting our Veterans die while bonuses go to the people responsible. There is scandal after scandal and our government spying and nosing in our business instead of protecting us from the danger surrounding us and in fact making it much worse freeing dangerous criminals, not only of the Taliban but in our own country by the thousands. Obama is the one doing this; this is some of our present concerns, not what happened years ago.

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               LadyFiddlerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Jackie sweedie we all know Obama has his faults and mistakes and some of the crap he allows you and I know we certainly don't engage in it. But my point is things wasn't find and dandy when he came into office. Its like you going to the toilet seeing shit in it and you having to clean it out before you can use it. Also sugar i definitely do not want to be no real America but we know what Revelation says about your dearest America. You know the part she's heading to and we also know the world is never gonna get better,. But when i hear crap like more drugs is coming in America, human trafficking etc that crap was ALWAYS THERE NOTHING NEW you also know that the secret society runs the show up there not Obama he is the rubber stamp. Well what you got to do is do something about what he is doing OK. Daniel 4:25 : That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will. God put him there for a purpose even if its to finish bring down America and no amount of you or other "Real American Citizens" can changed that so be PISSED AT GOD if you like is he put him up and will take him down WHEN HE WANTS not you or other real Americans. Your country has no better to get i am anxiously waiting for the next president to do better. The Kingdom of God is at hand and it will GET worst. Romans 1

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                  LadyFiddlerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Wasn't it Rumored and alleged that your former President had something to do with the 9/11 attack. What the Muslims/Terrorist done was wrong and crucial and we share the sadness of 9/11 victims but at the same time some Americans hates all Muslims you cannot classify all Muslims as Terrorist. Because I am black and i can hate white people if i choose to because of what they did to my forefathers but i will never belittle myself like that to class all white people as racist it certainly will be immature and bias. There are many lovely white people out there.
                  
                  Scandal have been there ever since the creation of the world. Check the Highest Order in the world for further details and ask them who puppetise all the Presidents like the singers in the music industry. Another stupid thing is people say Obama is the Anti-Christ how stupid i don't think Rome is in the US.

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                  LadyFiddlerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  sure as hell America needs to back down and find her place she has been out of order for a long time always pushing herself up in other countries business, playing the boss and threatening other countries to get involved in their wars etc "US is bit way too push" and thinks she controls the world. I guess she do because this is Satan's kingdom and America is very very ungodly so we are reading between the lines aren't we.

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                     Superkevposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     Yet when other countries need help from military intervention to disaster relief, who is the FIRST country they turn to? And who never refuses?
                     
                     And when we don't do something all the liberals cry, "why aren't we helping these people?" Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
                     
                     America is the most generous country on earth by a long shot, yet we are hated for it. If we stopped sending foreign aid around the world, it would be a matter of weeks, if not days, before governments were coming to our door, hat in hand, begging for us to resume aid.

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                        LadyFiddlerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        I hope she has enough missiles and aids when GOD is ready for her , for totally disregarding his words and making laws to sooth her wickedness  after she knows BETTER like "same sex marriages" etc. Oh yeah I forgot since Obama came into power it was the first time America had gay people. How could I have forgotten that oh my.
                        
                        Sure they come to the aid of many Nations and will be rewarded for their Kind deed. The world looks up to her she is the present Mother Superior of the world. But while she is such a good girl she has been known to be BAD DEBT from a lot of countries I think good gals pay their debts.
                        
                        And children suckle from their mother so that's why they come begging at her precious knees.

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                  Jackie Lynnleyposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  As you say dear Jo; America is going down the tubes while people cheer and God allows anti-Christs in office everywhere, Taliban to behead little children and many will see their young dashed to pieces in these last days because this is satan's world, you are right. America though is a wonderful country as it was formed and still would be if we followed the laws and constitution but there seems nothing we can do about that but pray or ask God to come quickly. We have opened our arms to millions (some of your own I am sure) and we did that in a legal way too; a way where criminals with guns and drugs and people with diseases to spread did not get in. Our president does not like America either for he has said so; many don't until they need something. What other country has been as kind as we the American people have been? We cannot help what our president is; as you say that is up to God to allow. How can you call America anymore ungodly than your own country or anyone elses? We have our Godly and ungodly the same as any. We have given until we have no more to give and yet we still give from our pockets and people hate us for it. That seems very strange to me. Especially when Christians spew hate; you should pray for us, not hate us. These emotions do not come from God or the Godly.

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                     LadyFiddlerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     Just as America has opened her loving arms to embrace many immigrants likewise have other countries to migrated Americans. My country is evil to and the prime minister sucks also but America has millions upon millions of more people than where i live which doesn't even have 10% of the people you all have there. Yes its more corrupt they accept and allow gay rights, abortion rights, people to disrespect God, the right to do wrong is a right there also. Yes you all have some of mines there 'BLACK PEOPLE" MY family who lives there was BORN there by birth not by ship. There grandparents are legal. I think Black people should have all the rights in the world to love in America and feed off your government for what you all did to us years ago. Taking us from our homeland and treating us like shit , we help build America while you all sipped on wine and cocktails.

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                        LadyFiddlerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        *to live

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                           LadyFiddlerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           There are white people that comes to the Caribbean for the sunshine and a lot of US citizens live in my country and have more rights than us here. They live illegally on yatches in Chagauramas and has no visa no papers etc but they are here and people treat them just as normal so the world embrace you all to. I will tell people my country is in a terrible state and is in need of God badly, the things they copy are from the US everyone wants to be like the GREAT AMERICA and its not i that said it its prophet William Branham many years ago that judgement is imminent and hanging over America because she rejected God's prophet and his word. Guess what he was an American also born in Jeffersonville Indiana USA

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                              LadyFiddlerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                              Dear Pollyannalana just as you have the rights to ask your questions about President Obama I have the right to ask what i want to.

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                        Superkevposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        "I think Black people should have all the rights in the world to love in America and feed off your government for what you all did to us years ago."
                        
                        Oh, do you now? So how come you don't want to live off the countries that are still enslaving black people even to this day??
                        
                        We eliminated slavery 150 years ago, and paid to do it with blood. And not withstanding 2-3 black army divisions and some Navy personnel, all of those deaths were whites.
                        
                        Face it, your only aim here is to bash America, you don't care what the facts are, or who is truly doing what, you just want to bash America,because it's hip and cool to do so.

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                           LadyFiddlerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           Mr/Ms Supekev I like to speak to people with faces, a black profile picture can make me feel your imitating someone else. No my aim is not to bash America but to find out from its "REAL AMERICAN CITIZENS" If America was a bed of roses before Obama came and set every living thing off in your country.
                           
                           I am dealing with an issue of America and the current President not other countries so when people would talk nonsense like oh Obama is causing illegal immigrants to come into our country to bring in diseases etc. Obama is causing Human Trafficking and Obama is this that and the other with the Muslims, He is bringing in drugs etc. Like yeah right America was a saint and Obama the demon came and messed it up. Are all Muslims Terrorist? Did Human Trafficking just started in the US?
                           
                           If Obama is doing wrong then he is wrong but don't give him all the dirty linen to wear. He is but one man and I am sure one man cannot run America.

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                              Superkevposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                              "He is but one man and I am sure one man cannot run America."
                              
                              Well, you better tell him that because he sure says that he thinks he can with his executive orders and saying that he will act without congress if congress doesn't give him what he wants.
                              
                              Fortunately that is not how our Republic operates.
                              
                              Yes, because that's picture of you on your profile right? SMFH
                              
                              And Obama IS causing all those thing by telling DHS not to enforce immigration laws, suspending most deportations and allowing young illegals to claim "DREAM Act" status with out even a cursory attempt to confirm their stories. So yes, this in firmly on Obama's doorstep and no one else's.
                              
                              Look, it's pretty obvious that you do not live here and have no idea about American politics beyond the fact that Obama claims to be black and most Americans now disapprove of his presidency.
                              
                              What we know as Americans is that he is 10 times worse than Jimmy Carter was and will go down in history as our worst president in modern times. He is incompetent, feckless, naive and was not qualified to be president in the first place. Were it not for an abundance of ignorant, ill informed and apathetic voters coupled with democratic voter fraud he would not have been elected.
                              
                              Most American voters are idiots and they elected an idiot. And we have been damned by the consequences ever since.

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                                 Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                 His race(s) has little to do with it.  It should have NOTHING to do with it!!! To talk about his race(s) at all is … ? what is the word???? RUDE?

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                                    Superkevposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                    Ladyfiddler seems to be rather obsessed with his race and what I said above is true, millions of people voted for him and about all they knew about him was he was black (1/2 black anyhow) and that was enough.
                                    
                                    Any number of interviews with voters or You Tube videos from 2008 and 2012 will bear me out. So don't kill the messenger, I'm just relating facts.
                                    
                                    And after what this putz has done to my country I have no intention of being polite or civil when discussing him, that time has long passed. He deserves no courtesy as far as I am concerned and he will get none from me.

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                                    LadyFiddlerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                    Yeah his race shouldn't have anything to do with it but.... ,please tell the republicans that They are still Shell shocked he won another term and is further corrupting their sanctified holy God fearing land.

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                                 LadyFiddlerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                 My dear SuperKev REPUBLICAN election is not far away maybe the REPUBLICANS will reign again on your parade and we will see how GREAT he or she will be. Maybe who knows America may go back to her sweet loving , happy, debt free, murder free, gay free nation . As when she first founded her land and murdered a ran the illegal Indians out of the land that they found. When Britain had her on her refugee sail. That should break record for the world. I cannot wait to see that super Champ of a Republican President . I am sure you have noticed every time your country changes presidents it gets worst. The whole world economy is in a hot mess but maybe when the republican comes into office she'll fix the world...... back to Rome and then you'll see Obama wasn't as half as bad.

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                                    Superkevposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                    We still have 2 1/2 more years of this imbecile. And there is nothing he can do to save his legacy now, far too many scandals and failures to his credit. No my dear, he will go down as one of the worst most incompetent presidents in American history, and nothing can stop that now.
                                    
                                    The damage this fool has done will take years to straighten out.
                                    
                                    PS- When Reagan took over from Carter it got pretty good and stayed that way for quite a while. Again, you have no grasp of American politics or history, you are just embarrassing your self now.

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                                       LadyFiddlerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                       Well go resurrect Ronald Reagan you still haven't answer my question it talks about BUSH not Abraham Lincoln times......... Go read It over . Were you all "America" in a fantastic shape financial wise? did you pay back your debts you owed around the world? Were you a drug free, Muslim free, raping free, human trafficking free, illegal immigrants free, murder free, scam free, fraud free, psychotic free, abortion free, sex perverts free, nation? Or did you inherit all these Atrocious things. When the Black man "Obama" came. Because to me seems like some folks think it WAS FINE AND DANDY before and in 6yrs everything now went WRONG. So tell me from your perspective I'd love to know.

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                                 Zelkiiroposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                 Ecuadorian snow shoes
                                 
                                 See, I can make non sequiturs, too.

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                                    Superkevposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                    Do they sell those on Amazon??

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                                       Zelkiiroposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                       Nah, you gotta go to Dick's Sporting Goods.

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                                 gmwilliamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                 OOOOUCH......well, the TRUTH hurts.

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               gmwilliamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Agree.

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      gmwilliamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Obama's race is inconsequential in this.  Obama was a slick operator and quite a provaceteur who bamboozled people to vote for him because he represented a new era, beginning, and difference.  When Obama came into office, he made very little progress in spite of his plans and goals to improve the socioeconomic state of this country.  The most Obama did was a create a health fiasco and disaster called Obama"care".
      
      Obama is a socialist whose main goal is to destroy this country.   Distractors keep blaming Bush but this now is getting old; Bush is NO longer in office but Obama IS- there are many, even Liberals, who are quite discontented as to where this country is going.   The LIEberals naturally love Obama and his policies, especially his social policies.   The sheeple LIEberals explain away his scandals and fiascos e.g. Benghazigate.  Obama is the WORST president ever, even Bush looked like a choirboy in comparison to Obama.

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         LadyFiddlerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         My dear Gmwilliams even when Obama's tenure is over AMERICA will not and never is gonna get better. She started downhill many years ago when she Rejected God, push him out of the schools , churches etc. That is why there's a curse hanging over her head and for all their wicked deeds, capturing slaves etc and condoning terrible crimes and sins that is an abomination to God. She is destined on the part she's on.
         
         Also don't get me wrong I know Obama is not perfect and as all Presidents etc they mess up some more than other's but my clarification lays on the bases of the above questions? WAS EVERYTHING PERFECT IN George's time? Do you honestly think that Obama is running the show in the US? you know very well is the big guys above him controls the US.

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            Superkevposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            So, is there a curse hanging over all the countries in Africa that still practice slavery? Or is it just America that is getting the shaft for something that was outlawed 150 years ago and over 620,000 Americans gave their lives to achieve?
            
            As far as our 1/2 white president. He wanted the job. He said he was going to fix it all, even was going to stop the rise of the oceans, how's that working out?
            
            Obama made a bad situation much worse and created a whole bunch more problems all on his own. As just one example: The left wing would never have accepted from a republican president this many years of unemployment being so consistently high, yet Obama gets a pass. And if you criticize him you are a racist.

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               Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               And now that Iraq is begging for our help, he is saying "No, Iraq, Iran might take you over and Israel as well.
               And thats Okay.
               Who needs Israel?  And then Iran, China and Russia will get together and WW III will commence. But hey, I've got to keep my campaign promises!"

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                  LadyFiddlerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  If there is to be a world War III Kathryn no one can stop it if its predestinated to happen. The bible speaks about WARS and Rumors of wars etc. Also since when the US became so caring for Muslims especially since 9/11 its always an aim behind it to get at the oil or so. No wonder Chavez and Castro kept them at a stance. America nor Rome likes Israel its all faked notions and again a serious mission behind it. Time will tell how caring this Nation is when people find that they are under the one world Order and their freedoms and rights to serve the true an living God is taken away. What a day that will be when the Great mother Harlot shows her true colours for all the world to see. GOD BLESS AMERICA LAND THAT I LOVE.

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                     Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     I just think Pr. B's hands got tied.  Perhaps Pr. O was tricked. Once in office, his hands were put on puppet strings. Thats why his hair is white. If he resists he could be done away with…. maybe? Just coming to wild conclusions.

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                        LadyFiddlerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        Done away with is right you know once you don't obey orders from the head you get your throat cut. The music industry singers can testify the same. So Obama got to go with the flow of the big guys.

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               LadyFiddlerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               SuperKev Outlawed from having them in Shackles etc but ever so often some Starr or White person spits out their racial remarks and It makes the news. Some states in the US still have racial tendencies. Don't tell me I make the news on BBC and Msn up to. Do you sincerely believe that he would have fixed it ALL? were you that smart? All presidents or presidents to be promise the world. Didn't Hitler promised Germany a better Europe etc. And they slaughtered people because they were so smart to believe one man was going to FIX the world, fix their failing economy. They All promise the best because they want to get a chance some want to get at the monies , others fame and popularity. My point still stands Barrack Hussein Obama did not Corrupt the Incorruptible America it has been Corrupted before Barrack was even born. Maybe he has an input it in but DON'T BLAME IT ALL ON HIM.
               
               You American need to stop living off of Credit and then perhaps your economy will be much better when millions of its credit leaches falls off.

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                  Superkevposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  And how many times has Obama demanded that the debt ceiling be raised so he could borrow more money??
                  
                  Yet here is what Senator Obama had to say about it in 2006:
                  
                  "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills,"
                  
                  So, according to him, when Bush did it, it was a "leadership failure" but when he does it, well, you know, he's so great and all. Hypocrite to the core.
                  
                  I didn't and never would have voted for Obama, I saw what he was from the get-go, anyone with more than two brain cells could tell the was a communist / socialist / Marxist Muslim sympathizer.
                  
                  But unfortunately, there is no intelligence test for voting. And enough people bought his lies, or just knew nothing other than he was 1/2 black and voted for him.
                  
                  If a republican president had his record of utter failure in in every metric used to measure a president, they would have been screaming for his impeachment long ago. There id NO other president for whom these economic and foreign policy failures would be tolerated, NONE!!!
                  
                  Look, Ladyfiddler, you are really out of your depth even trying to discuss this subject. You do not have a grasp of either current American politics nor American or world history. Why don't you write about something you might know a little about like, gardening or knitting?

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                     LadyFiddlerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     No superkev I don't because I am not a "REAL AMERICAN" Nor am I a fake one or Muslim or an illegal immigrant, that's why I am so enjoying reading your 1st hand info. What you should do for me is to ask your government to privatize US news because all what goes on there is global and international. Please don't blame it on my lack of info or for not being a REAL AMERICAN blame it on the internet, BBC, MSN, RADIO STATION AND TV and of course Obama

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                        Superkevposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        It isn't so much that you are not American, it's just that you know so much that isn't so.

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                           LadyFiddlerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           Maybe i aman Obamamite and even himyou all did not believe or agreed he was an america n so i got false infoand Obama corruption skills and illegalpapers to.Why not attack tje secretsociety and give Obama a break

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            Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            If we to follow your theory, all secular nations would be struggling. That's simply not the case.

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      Onusonusposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Obama is like Bush on steroids. For every bad thing that Bush did as president, Obama has one upped him. But of course none of that matters to you because all you hear is "racism".
      
      Forget about the NSA wire tapping, Extention of the patriot act, Benghazi, that disaster called Obamacare, the recently released Taliban five, Selling out the missile defense shield in Poland to Russia, Russians then invading Crimea, Operation Fast and Furious, the failure to secure our Southern boarder, Solyndra, the Chevy Volt, countless drone attacks, the VA scandal, out of control deficit spending, the Keystone pipeline, Bowing to Saudi Princes and playing host to a plethora of tyrants and dictators. Forget that ever growing list of astonishing failures in his character and leadership, we must not like him because he's black.

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         maxoxam41posted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Russians invaded Crimea? Did you forget that they voted in a referendum to their attachment to Russia (smart move given what the US did to Ukraine remember the famous "f--- Europe") and most of them are from a Russian descent. What you purposely forgot is that the Eastern part of Ukraine, that refuses their annexation by the new NATO "government", was bombed by our mercenaries.
         BUSH, OBAMA SAME POLICY, THE ELITE'S.

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            Onusonusposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Elitism, it goes more hand in hand with Socialism. Always the end means no matter how many times they try, or how many dissidents get in the way. Just line them up against the wall and spray. But go ahead and try building commieland again I suppose, it is after all a common human trait to forget history.
            
            Now If there were a vote in Arizona to annex it to Mexico, I believe the U.S. government would tell the Mexicans to get bent. You never know with this pathetic excuse for a leader in the White House. In that regard Bush has the leg up.

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   LadyFiddlerposted 10 years ago

   Superkev you know i was thinking seeing that you know so much about America's politics and history why not Run for election ? You will make a perfect president .

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      Superkevposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I certainly could not do worse than the jackwagon we have now. At least I love my country, which is more than his words and actions can say for him.
      
      As far as Obama is concerned, right now I would simply settle for marginally competent. But I won't hold my breath since he has not come even close to that low bar in 6 years.

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   AshtonFireflyposted 10 years ago

   I think that at each term, people claim that the president is the worst one to ever be in office.
   
   They said it when Bush was President. They said it when Clinton was President. The frustration you are feeling with it is a frustration that will never stop, because as long as we keep electing Presidents, we will blame him or her for everything wrong that happens in the country. I think that's a shame, yes.
   
   As far as your statements that America is cursed by God for her wicked deeds, I would have to say that if that is true, so is every other country in the world. You are painting America as the source of all evil while ignoring the rest. Do I think America is the most perfect place in the world? Nah. But you're portraying America as, like I said, the root of all evil things. Blaming America for all the wickedness prevalent in your own country is just an excuse. Each person, each country, each nation is responsible for its own actions. Is America the best example in the world? Nah. But each person, country, nation chooses for itself. Remember. A country is made of of individuals. The decisions of the majority of the individuals is what shapes the country as a whole.
   
     You claim to not be racist and yet say, "I think Black people should have all the rights in the world to love in America and feed off your government for what you all did to us years ago. Taking us from our homeland and treating us like s**t , we help build America while you all sipped on wine and cocktails."
     You keep arguing from a godly point of view, so I will argue this concept according to your own parameters: Does not God say that we are all to be judged according to our own sins, not anyone else's? Not our great-grandparents or ancestors?
     Are there racists in America? Sure. On both sides. Should it be addressed? YES. However, you're speaking as if this identical to the situation of slavery in history. It is not.
     Why should a person who was not treated unfairly (in slavery) be allowed to "feed off" the government? For history's sake? Even if we were to do that, when would it end? When would be enough? How much would be enough? As someone else mentioned before, it was paid for with blood. Let the lesson be learned and let hatred die.
     Does not God teach fairness and that only the sins of the sinner should be held against him? Not his father's? Does he not teach us to not harbor bitterness against another? These are the words of Your God, not mine.
     Do I think that slavery was grotesque and awful? Absolutely, no doubt. That does not mean, however, that the people of America (including black people) should now should pay for others [the people who feel they are entitled to feeding off it] to feed off the government when there is no more slavery. You  have to acknowledge that there are some black people who would disagree with you.
     Slavery is in the past. Any attempt at resurrecting the past is just bitterness and hatred, something which I'm pretty sure God does not condone. the best we can do now is to fight against racism, wherever it may be. My mother is racist. Does that mean I am? Gracious no. I respect all people equally. Should I receive punishment for my mother's actions? No, I should not. I chose a better way, the way which respects all our countrymen and women, whether they be black, white, yellow, red, etc.
     As far as Barack Obama is concerned, do I think he's a good President? Nah. I don't think Bush was either. Or Clinton. Or really very many Presidents before that. Not because I blamed each President for everything. Honestly I think the average citizen is responsible for the destruction of its own country. That does not mean that a particular President cannot take courses of action which are deemed, through an investigation of history, to be worse than other actions made by other Presidents. The criteria upon which we judge that is strictly personal. In my personal opinion, I don't think Barack Obama is the worst President to have ever lived. Some do. And that's okay.

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      LadyFiddlerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Gnite Ashton in Numbers 14: 18 says:  the Lord is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. He visits the iniquities of our fathers unto the 3rd and 4th what ? Generation therefore sometimes we pay for the sins of some great grand daddy for something he may have done.
      
      That's my point why make Obama sound like the worst thing ever people are just bias he is not faultless as none of us are.
      
      We'll we were not enslaved but our fore parents were so by we living an being free off of the government will be a way of saying we are sorry for what our fore parents "whites" did to black people. Maybe if they had left us in Africa so many blacks won't be running around all over the world illegal or scattered .
      
      And that's true what you said citizens are also to be blamed not the president only. If a man rapes a woman , heaven knows they say its because of Obama .
      
      I am no racist never will be it was never in our genes to hate another race i answered like that in response to say i could have choosen to be a racist but why be little myself like that

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         AshtonFireflyposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          
           Good evening to you as well
         
           This is the Bible passage to which I was referring: Ezekiel 18: 20 "The soul that sins, it [is the one that] shall die. The son shall not bear and be punished for the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear and be punished for the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him only, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon the wicked only."
           To which should we adhere?
           I guess my question would be, How much would be enough to say "I'm sorry?" I understand your feeling that someone should say it, especially if you have had family members who suffered. That is a legitimate anger. However, in realistic terms, would not such an act foster more segregation and hate? How long would be enough?  It has been over 100 years since that time. Was not the blood shed during the war, enough? They paid for their crimes through death, did they not?
         How much would be enough?
           And please consider, you may consider it a good way to say "I'm sorry," but in doing so, you would be hurting some taxpayers (no matter what their race) who are people like me, and others like me, who love all our countrymen. We would be paying [through heavy taxes] the ill-doing of people who made their choices a long time ago. Is that truly fair? If there is to be compensation, then I think it would be advisable to do it a different way. Such an act would no doubt produce and foster the very hatred and racism you and I despise. Not only that, but you would have to determine who was qualified for compensation, etc.Then you have a huge mess.
          
           No I don't think you are racist. You're one of a lot of people who are sick of America. You're not the first, certainly not the last however, I think that we need to look at the big picture.

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         Superkevposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Ok, since you seem to think that America, and only America was responsible for slavery and that we now owe every black person in the world a free lunch, why don't you chew on this little bit of historical fact:
         
         "The Atlantic slave traders, ordered by trade volume, were: the Portuguese, the British, the French, the Spanish, the Dutch Empire, and the United States. They had established outposts on the African coast where they purchased slaves from local African tribal leaders. Current estimates are that about 12 million Africans were shipped across the Atlantic,although the number purchased by the traders is considerably higher."
         
         WOW!! Your own people sold you in to slavery! So, do you here and now also demand reparations and a free ride for life for ALL black people from the countries of Portugal, Britain, France, Spain and Holland, who all sit higher on the list than the US in terms of volume? If not, why not?
         
         Why did you not include those countries on you list of nation-states that owe you something?
         
         And which African states will you now demand compensation from for selling your ancestors to those European slave traders? After all they were the ones that actually went in to the deep African bush and captured you to bring you to the ports and sell you to the Europeans, certainly your fellow Africans owe you more for dragging you to the ships, right?
         
         Like I said, you have zero knowledge of history and apparently care little to find out, you simply want to bash the US because, again, you think it is hip and cool to do so.
         
         Once again, you are as far out of your depth trying to debate this subject as Obama is in being POTUS.

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            AshtonFireflyposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            +1

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            Superkevposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Not quite so chatty now I see. Curious that.

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   peeplesposted 10 years ago

   The country has been on a down hill slide with minor up hill accomplishments since it was founded! We justify the killing of people by using religion (just like the countries we claim to be against). We claim to be protecting our "freedom" while letting drones drop bombs all over the world. We claim we even have freedom and that is silly, because really the only freedom any of us has is the ability to say what we want, as long as we don't google "pressure cooker" and "backpack" at the same time or our home will be invaded by the feds. We have no sense of privacy, we are slowly having the internet censored, and everything involving any of our electronics has the ability to be monitored by whoever wants. We have a country who complains about taking care of their own, people who assume everyone who needs help are lazy, and people who are just so damn stingy that their moral compass somehow is ignored when it goes to helping those who need it. We want to argue over gay adoption and abortion while on average 500,000 unwanted and unloved children are sitting in our crappy foster care system each year. So with that said the country that was founded on murdering, taking over, and having to have people to treat as inferiors is still exactly what it was founded as. Now we just kill different people, take over different lands, and pick a new inferior every so often. It IS the American way.

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