Dependance on Oneself vs Government

1. 77

   Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years ago

   Liberals want the government to do all things wonderful for the people. Conservatives want the government to step out of the way and allow people the freedom to depend on themselves.  I believe, in this day and age, that our elected officials, of both parties, really need to listen to each other. The government must have a sense of knowing when to step in to help the people and when to step out and give them space. For the parties to be against one another is not good.  Essentially, they should be trying to understand one another's viewpoint to discover what is best for all concerned.
   Maybe this is too idealistic. I don't know.
   I know its about money, once politicians get to Washington, but at least WE we can shoot for the ideal, and VOTE accordingly.
   
   
   Maybe Independence could be the result of an Indepen-Dance of both parties cooperating and working together. (Yes, this is a spelling error-in-the-title save. )

   replyreport
   1. 96

      wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not sure it is possible.  While any conservative will recognize the need for government in our lives, I'm not at all sure that far left liberals recognize anything that is not done better by government.  Individuals are no better than small children, unable to make even the most basic decisions for themselves.
      
      As a result there IS no middle ground to meet at.

      replyreport
      1. 78

         Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

         looking at the current at the GOP's"dirty dozen and their rhetoric, I question if "any conservatitve will recognize the need for government in our lives". There isn't any group that hate government more than conservatives, do we retro to Davy Crockett or Daniel Boone?
         
         The right want a society without regulation or oversight of its very powerful industry and big time players and that for us lefties, is also a non-starter. I don't want to say  that I don't trust them, but I don't. That so the loathsome ripoff artists will have nothing in the way of taking advantage of the rest of us and taking liberties that are unauthorized.

         replyreport
         1. 96

            wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            The right, even far radical right, want roads, utilities, military, etc.  So they do want government.  Just as little in private lives.
            
            And no, I don't trust them either.  ANY of them.
            
            "That so the loathsome ripoff artists will have nothing in the way of taking advantage of the rest of us and taking liberties that are unauthorized."
            
            LOL - that's what I think of the liberals taking ever more taxes (or putting us ever deeper in debt) in order to give it away to buy votes.

            replyreport
   2. 70

      rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      "For the parties to be against one another is not good.  Essentially, they should be trying to understand one another's viewpoint to discover what is best for all concerned."
      
      The parties being against each other is a farce. It is the vehicle of the party politic. They are bought off by the same people who care little for your or my concerns and have gone to the front of the line through their money ahead of us. You need to have an antagonist to create a need for something to be done. The two party system and the different ideologies are a perfect method. In the case of our corrupted system the arguments they keep us at odds over can never be fixed. Even when it is fixed such as is the case with abortion and gay rights and Social Security it is gone over and back again as a ruse. The ruse being that the issues that affect all of us are stuffed quietly in the background. Defense spending, unfunded and unwanted wars, economic security, a balanced budget, trade deals, decent paying jobs,term limits and lobby reform all take a backseat to the other inflammatory issues that mean nothing as they are already decided.
      
      "Maybe this is too idealistic. I don't know.I know its about money, once politicians get to Washington, but at least WE we can shoot for the ideal, and VOTE accordingly."
      
      The slime in Washington count on your idealism as it allows them to operate business as usual. The hoping and praying for them to get it right is a moot dream. They already have it right in their estimation. It was so true then as it is now. They have been able to maintain order in the chaos they commit.
      
      Term Limits, Publicly Financed Campaigns and Lobby Reform is the only way to inject the peoples concerns back into our government.

      replyreport
   3. 84

      gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Most thinking and aware Americans would strongly vouch for dependence upon themselves.  America has a strong tradition of entrepreneurship and a can do attitude.  Americans believe that one's past is not one's future and practice the religion of betterment and reinvention.  However, since the war on poverty and the incessant inundation of social programs in the 1960s, America has become an increasingly dependent society.  Welfare is now increasingly out of proportion.  There are those are welfare who strongly assert that they are ENTITLED to receive welfare.  Welfare is not longer a temporary lifestyle but a permanent one.  It is not unusual for families to be on welfare for generations.  Our taxpayer dollars are paying to upkeep such people.  Enough is enough.  I am a Liberal yet I believe that people ought to depend upon themselves and get off the government plantation. Now I HAVE SAID MY PIECE!

      replyreport
      1. 77

         Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Dear gmwilliams.
         Which liberal ideas do you support? and do not support?
         If you care to expound.
         Just curious.

         replyreport
         1. 84

            gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I am a staunch pro-choice feminist.  I am also a believer in same sex marriage.  I do not believe in social programs which create generational and despondent dependency.  Many of our present social programs create socioeconomic problems, exacerbating impoverishment instead of helping the indigent get out of poverty.  I also do not believe in governmental interference in terms of mandated health care.  Our health care system was fine before the event of  Obama'care".

            replyreport
            1. 77

               Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Are there other liberals like you? Who would you like to see run for President? Do you like Ben Carson? Hilary? or who? I think it would be a trip if Carson with his good sense became President. He would see the whole picture like no one else.
               Edit: I see you might like Trump.

               replyreport
   4. 82

      Don Wposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      And no one wants a government that is so corrupted by outside interests, and entrenched in partisan politics, that it is unable to address key issues. That's some common ground right there.

      replyreport
2. 82

   psycheskinnerposted 8 years ago

   Sanity is in the middle. 
   
   Without the rule of law, a good education, roads, and limits on pollution, it would not matter how empowered I was--I would probably be dead shortly after stepping out of my door.  Without firefighters, disaster response and food inspectors I might not be much better off inside.
   
   I am happy for the government to do these things that make it easier for me to do what I want with my life.  That is a win/win. 
   
   On the other hand they can stay out of my reproductive health, religion (or lack thereof) etc.

   replyreport
   1. 77

      Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      <"they, (the govt.) can stay out of my reproductive health, religion (or lack thereof) etc.">
      
      It has been a tradition in this country that God plays a part in our lives. After all, He made the earth. He made us. Our "reproductive health" is not bombarded by our Government.
      
      With the belief in the sanctity of life, based on the truth that life beings at conception, with great reverence and respect for Our Creator, Nature urges men to cooperate its laws and make laws accordingly. Therefore, the discussion and concern over abortion: Could it be Murder?
      This is the question. We all know what the answer is. But do we want to hear it ?
      NOOOOO!!!
      So, govt. needs to step in with laws to prevent Murder. (But it won't dare.)
      
      Same thing with Pot. Pot is good for no one. Maybe medicinally. So put the "wonderful" aspects (THC and?) of pot into a pill form and sell it through pharmacies.
      Now, (after legalization,) when kids are 21 they will celebrate with pot parties!  And who knows how this will affect the genetic codes.
      So, the Govt. needs to keep pot illegal for the sake of the good of the people / the population at large / genetic soundness. (But it won't.)
      
      The govt. does not bombard us with "religion or lack thereof."
      The govt. says GOVERNMENT cannot interfere with religion or lack thereof.
      
      Feel free to set me straight.

      replyreport
      1. 78

         Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Deleted
         1. 77

            Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I am sure the ignorant reside in Texas as well.
            
            I might as well stay close to the enemies, don't you think?
            
            Insufferable
            Which online dictionary definition do you prefer ... or both?
            
            "1 intolerable, unbearable, unendurable, insupportable, unacceptable, oppressive, overwhelming, overpowering; too much."
            
            "2 conceited, arrogant, boastful, cocky, cocksure, full of oneself, self-important, swaggering; vain, puffed up, self-satisfied, self-congratulatory, smug; bigheaded, too big for one's britches, too big for one's boots; vainglorious."

            replyreport
            1. 78

               Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

               the first one, probably.

               replyreport
               1. 77

                  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Why, how utterly kind and polite of you.
                  
                  Thanks for the effort. I appreciate it.

                  replyreport
                  1. 78

                     Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     How much of this do you really believe? Or do you just post to get a rise out of people?

                     replyreport
                     1. 77

                        Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        very funny.
                        
                        very very
                        
                        
                        Three words for you:
                        
                        THE FEDERALIST PAPERS

                        replyreport
3. 77

   colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

   I'm not going to address the political issue side of the topic. Personally I do believe that everyone needs to be as self-dependent / self-reliant as possible. Just as important to be prepared for the hardships of a natural disaster or a prolonged power outage.

   replyreport
4. 0

   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   It is true that there are those in both parties  that want  less government perhaps ,  and also  of both parties that love government intervention in our lives .     Yet more and more  in our lives the government does intervene ,   when it cost's us more in taxes  is when I get perturbed !  Subsidies , grants  ,  stimulus spending ,  mandated policies of health care ,   more and more there seem to be taxes and fee's for whatever we attempt  in life , including death , inheritance taxes .
   
   As a conservative I DO want less government in my fiscal life !  Yet , we as Americans , On both sides of the aisle ,   seem blind to the fact that it is LOCAL and STATE  government's that are raping us financially , far more than the central federal government .    At least that is as  so in New England .
   
   Why do we spend  , in this area  of America , $3,000 ,  $4,000 ,  $5,000  --- or more-- just for property  taxes  whether we own our homes or not - just to live here ?  THAT - is local and state taxes only !

   replyreport
5. 77

   Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years ago

   PS I disagree that "Sanity is in the middle."
   
   I believe, Sanity is found in TRUTH and reality.
   To deny God, nature and its laws is to deny REALITY.
   
   Where will sanity be if we become a baby killing, pot smoking, anti-God nation? ( are we there yet?)
   
   There is insanity for you.

   replyreport